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Maddict5
04-18-2011, 08:38 AM
7. Houston loves Patrick Peterson. Capital L. I smell a trade-up.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/17/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1JsTA1TZ8

fwiw i dont see it happening. i dont see how this would slip out after following the texans non-sources the last few yrs.

imo the only way something like this gets out is if they allow it to... say if they were really targetting a certain mr miller with a trade up and didnt want to alert the many other 3-4 teams like the cards & browns to the possibility of taking him

Second Honeymoon
04-18-2011, 10:40 AM
Houston trades:
#11 overall pick
2011 3rd Rounder
2012 2nd Rounder
DT Amobi Okoye

to move to #2 or #3 overall

would that move be good enough for both parties? any more than that, I would just stand pat and draft BPA and spend the coin on Aso.

Funny thing is if they hadn't won that meaningless game at the end of the year, they could have had a shot at him at their natural slot or at least saved a lot of trade bait to move up.

disaacks3
04-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Houston trades:
#11 overall pick
2011 3rd Rounder
2012 2nd Rounder
DT Amobi Okoye

to move to #2 or #3 overall

would that move be good enough for both parties? any more than that, I would just stand pat and draft BPA and spend the coin on Aso.

Funny thing is if they hadn't won that meaningless game at the end of the year, they could have had a shot at him at their natural slot or at least saved a lot of trade bait to move up. Nobody will be willing to take future draft choices in THIS draft due to the uncertainty. The Texans would have to give up (at least) their 2011 3rd rounder to move up 4+ spots.

Ole Miss Texan
04-18-2011, 10:48 AM
Nobody will be willing to take future draft choices in THIS draft due to the uncertainty. The Texans would have to give up (at least) their 2011 3rd rounder to move up 4+ spots.

Or a player.

Second Honeymoon
04-18-2011, 11:04 AM
Petersen is going to go Top4 almost assuredly. That is 7 spots.

HoustonFrog
04-18-2011, 11:12 AM
Petersen is going to go Top4 almost assuredly. That is 7 spots.

Not so sure on that. Miller looks Top 3 but there are many recent mocks with Peterson slipping to #6 and #7. Even guys like Champ, Deion and Rod Woodson..all considered top athletes of drafts..didn't go Top 5. Teams like D-line and pass rush more.

On a side note I kept hearing the Cowboys have him as #1 on their board and want him badly. But last week there was also a rumor that the Rams at #14 wanted Dallas' spot at 9. The rumored offer was at least a 3rd. If it takes "at least a 3rd" to get from 14 to 9 than it is going to take more than a 3rd to get from 11 to the Top 5-6

HOU-TEX
04-18-2011, 11:20 AM
BS flies around more than ever this close to the draft. I wouldn't put a penny's worth of stock towards anything said right now.

HoustonFrog
04-18-2011, 11:26 AM
BS flies around more than ever this close to the draft. I wouldn't put a penny's worth of stock towards anything said right now.

Agree. There was a tweet by one of the big scout guys on twitter and he said right now 90% of what is said is smoke screen and that it wouldn't be prudent for teams to show anything.

dtran04
04-18-2011, 11:26 AM
Most likely from a team wanting to drive up the cost of their pick.

Texans_Chick
04-18-2011, 11:28 AM
I can't see Peter King having any inside info from the Texans.

Esp in R. Smith years, they keep their draft stuff very in house.

MFG16
04-18-2011, 11:30 AM
Houston trades:
#11 overall pick
2011 3rd Rounder
2012 2nd Rounder
DT Amobi Okoye

to move to #2 or #3 overall

would that move be good enough for both parties? any more than that, I would just stand pat and draft BPA and spend the coin on Aso.

Funny thing is if they hadn't won that meaningless game at the end of the year, they could have had a shot at him at their natural slot or at least saved a lot of trade bait to move up.

Players can't be traded until a new CBA is agreed upon. so maybe replace Okoye with a 2012 4th or 5th rounder?

Ole Miss Texan
04-18-2011, 11:40 AM
Players can't be traded until a new CBA is agreed upon. so maybe replace Okoye with a 2012 4th or 5th rounder?

Hypothetically if Okoye's "trade value" is nothing but a 3rd day pick in next years' draft I'd just assume keep him and see what he can do with Wade. Say some 4-3 team calls us when the CBA is agreed to and asks for Okoye and that's all they offered, I'd say no.

Playoffs
04-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Too expensive.

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2011, 03:11 PM
I can't see Peter King having any inside info from the Texans.

Esp in R. Smith years, they keep their draft stuff very in house.


Makes sense, since decisions made by coin flip tend to be rather unpredictable.:kitten:

DocBar
04-18-2011, 03:19 PM
Players can't be traded until a new CBA is agreed upon. so maybe replace Okoye with a 2012 4th or 5th rounder?They can be if the courts side with the players and lift the lockout.

Nawzer
04-18-2011, 03:23 PM
I think I heard this on 610 in the morning today; Redskins are looking to trade down and given the Shanny and Kubiak connection, I wouldn't be surprised if a trade went down between those two teams.

Brisco_County
04-18-2011, 03:31 PM
I've never seen national media get any Texans draft predictions correct.

Ole Miss Texan
04-18-2011, 03:34 PM
I think I heard this on 610 in the morning today; Redskins are looking to trade down and given the Shanny and Kubiak connection, I wouldn't be surprised if a trade went down between those two teams.
So we would move all the way up from 11 to 10??

El Tejano
04-18-2011, 04:44 PM
So we would move all the way up from 11 to 10??

What if doing so meant getting one of the DBs from Washington?

HoustonFrog
04-18-2011, 04:47 PM
What if doing so meant getting one of the DBs from Washington?

Can't trade players so that would be a no-go.

nero THE zero
04-18-2011, 04:54 PM
Too good to be true.

1. He'd fill a dire need.
2. He's a really good player.
3. McClain has emphatically said the Texans will not trade up for Patrick Peterson. If they trade up, it will be for Von Miller.

That said, and as much as it pains me to say this (given McClain's assertions), after hearing Greg Cosell's thoughts on Von Miller I'd give my house to trade up for him.

Ole Miss Texan
04-18-2011, 05:00 PM
This years draft will be very interesting. If any teams would like to trade, no current nfl players will be able to be used. Future draft picks can but the league says, "at your own risk".

Nawzer
04-18-2011, 05:22 PM
So we would move all the way up from 11 to 10??

I was not aware of the Redskins draft position. I assumed they were picking 5th or 6th. Regardless, if Peterson falls (and there is always a player who falls) and if the Skins are looking to trade down a spot to grab someone else then I can see the Texans doing it if they want Peterson badly.

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2011, 05:26 PM
I was not aware of the Redskins draft position. I assumed they were picking 5th or 6th. Regardless, if Peterson falls (and there is always a player who falls) and if the Skins are looking to trade down a spot to grab someone else then I can see the Texans doing it if they want Peterson badly.

Expect Peterson to fall sharply, right into the awaiting hands of the Texans............if someone goes out and breaks both of his knee caps.:bat:

Bubbajwp
04-18-2011, 08:22 PM
Expect Peterson to fall sharply, right into the awaiting hands of the Texans............if someone goes out and breaks both of his knee caps.:bat:

I still dont think he would fall to us.

CloakNNNdagger
04-18-2011, 09:57 PM
I still dont think he would fall to us.

......and the way our FO tends to make decisions, if he did fall to us, they would take him..............with 2 broken knee caps.........:wadepalm:

VTexan
04-18-2011, 10:40 PM
Wouldn't that Jaguars win be nice to have back now :))

Lucky
04-18-2011, 10:41 PM
I can't see Peter King having any inside info from the Texans.

It wouldn't necessarily come from the Texans, but from a team (or teams) they are in discussions with.

Like HoustonFrog, I believe Peterson is the apple of Jerry Jones' eye. If Arizona passes on him @ #5, I think Holmgren will have the Browns pick for sale. And I think the Cowboys would out bid the Texans for that pick (if the Texans are even in the market for it).

gtexan02
04-18-2011, 10:46 PM
......and the way our FO tends to make decisions, if he did fall to us, they would take him..............with 2 broken knee caps.........:wadepalm:

And the best part is, the injury report would say "he's day to day"

SAMURAITEXAN
04-18-2011, 11:15 PM
So we would move all the way up from 11 to 10??

May be go up by trading a player and go up again a couple of spot. If that make sense to you? Anyway, the agreement between players and owners has to be met by draft date if we want to include a player/s in trade right?

Go Texans!!!

Big Lou
04-18-2011, 11:26 PM
The only way I see us trading up is if Kyle Rudolph out of Notre Dame is in danger of not falling to 11.

c10x
04-19-2011, 01:32 AM
I just don't see a way that the Texans trade up. We've never done it. Not to mention that with no CBA, you can't move players as part of a trade, so that handcuffs you more than other years.

Brisco_County
04-19-2011, 01:41 AM
If the Texans try to move up, it's to get Von Miller. The FO is using our terrible pass defense from 2010 as an effective red herring.

Malloy
04-19-2011, 02:51 AM
Wouldn't that Jaguars win be nice to have back now :))

Nope :)

Texanmike02
04-19-2011, 10:50 AM
I just don't see a way that the Texans trade up. We've never done it. Not to mention that with no CBA, you can't move players as part of a trade, so that handcuffs you more than other years.

In the FO's defense, usually we draft so high that moving up is kind of pointless. :|:spin:

Mike

Dutchrudder
04-19-2011, 11:56 AM
I've never seen national media get any Texans draft predictions correct.

The Brian Cushing pick was no secret. Most drafts had him slated at #15 over Clay Matthews.

Dutchrudder
04-19-2011, 11:58 AM
Wouldn't that Jaguars win be nice to have back now :))

Picking 6th and possibly getting Patrick Peterson or Von Miller?

Nahhhhh, why would we want one of them when we can have a moral victory over the only team in our division we can consistently beat? Don't worry, I'm sure we'll reach for OLB that should be taken in the 20's, watch Smithiak pat themselves on the back and call it a day.

GuerillaBlack
04-19-2011, 01:46 PM
Picking 6th and possibly getting Patrick Peterson or Von Miller?

Nahhhhh, why would we want one of them when we can have a moral victory over the only team in our division we can consistently beat? Don't worry, I'm sure we'll reach for OLB that should be taken in the 20's, watch Smithiak pat themselves on the back and call it a day.

For real.

That win against the Jaguars is really hurting now. We could be right there to draft Von Miller of Patrick Peterson, but nope, moral victories are the Texan way. Now we have to give up more pieces to even try and nab one of them, when we could have been sitting pretty at the 6th spot.

devo-x
04-19-2011, 02:17 PM
I'm glad that the Texans won the last game against the Jaguars and hope they continue the winning streak into the regular season.

It would be nice for them to draft in the low 20s (which would also assume they played in the wildcard round of the playoffs) next season ;)

texanhead08
04-19-2011, 05:07 PM
Someone needs to tell Pete its not exactly news worthy that the team with the worst pass defense in NFL history would like to draft the best CB in this draft.

Tx Longhorn
04-19-2011, 07:24 PM
Petersen is going to go Top4 almost assuredly. That is 7 spots.

At this stage, I'm not so sure he does.

Carolina's apparently a lock to take a quarterback. If you believe what Warren Moon says, they've stopped short of guaranteeing Cam Newton they'd pick him, but are on that cusp of settling on him as their guy.

Denver needs run defense in the worst possible way. I'll never guarantee a thing when it comes to predicting a draft, however I'm almost 100 percent sure they're taking Marcell Dareus.

Buffalo? Never know what the Bills have up their sleeve, however I'm gambling on them taking Von Miller, Blaine Gabbert or Newton if he falls. I'd say there's an outside chance they take AJ Green.

Cincinnati takes either Green or Gabbert.

The first real posed threat to take Peterson is Arizona at five. I can't see him falling any further than seven to San Francisco.

As is, I have Arizona as a viable possible trade partner. They're in as much of a dire need to get a pass rushing specialist as anyone in the draft. While I'm almost certain Miller is the apple of their eye, I don't see him being around at 5. Thus, Arizona's looking at Robert Quinn and Aldon Smith as the next best. They honestly could trade down and get their needed pass rusher, while keeping Peterson out of the NFC West.

Just a thought, but if there's a legit trading partner in the top 5, I'd say they're it.

Ole Miss Texan
04-19-2011, 09:08 PM
The first real posed threat to take Peterson is Arizona at five. I can't see him falling any further than seven to San Francisco.

As is, I have Arizona as a viable possible trade partner. They're in as much of a dire need to get a pass rushing specialist as anyone in the draft. While I'm almost certain Miller is the apple of their eye, I don't see him being around at 5. Thus, Arizona's looking at Robert Quinn and Aldon Smith as the next best. They honestly could trade down and get their needed pass rusher, while keeping Peterson out of the NFC West.

Just a thought, but if there's a legit trading partner in the top 5, I'd say they're it.
good post! I've been thinking Dallas will trade up with Arizona to snag Peterson.

GuerillaBlack
04-20-2011, 09:56 PM
good post! I've been thinking Dallas will trade up with Arizona to snag Peterson.

Maybe Arizona would rather trade with someone in the AFC instead.

bckey
04-20-2011, 10:38 PM
The Texans have a cheap owner that is willing to put out a mediocre product year after year because the fans keep selling out Reliant. He flat out played everyone at the end of the season with the Bum/Pastorini pr crap. After that old Bob soured me to this team. He can't seem to bring himself to tell the truth or get rid of Kubiak. Kubiak is a joke for head coach. Year after year fans make excuses at the end of the season and then get pumped up at the beginning of the next season. If there was an icon for mediocre it would be neck n neck between the Texans logo and Gary's face palm.
Throw in the strike this season and the NFL really looks stupid and greedy. At a time when most people in this country are having to cut back we have to stomach players and owners crying about their cut of billions of dollars.
Having said all that the draft just doesn't seem very interesting this year.

Tx Longhorn
04-21-2011, 05:01 PM
good post! I've been thinking Dallas will trade up with Arizona to snag Peterson.

Thanks Ole Miss.

Dallas is a very realistic possibility too. A lot of the mocks have them taking Tyron Smith, however past history shows they won't take an Offensive Lineman in the first round; they've never done so under Jerry Jones.

Peterson makes a lot of sense for them too. Dallas' secondary is the drizzles, and made Rex Grossman and John Skelton look like world beaters in the final seven weeks of the regular season. Jones has never shown aversion to trading up, and if it lands them the best player in the draft, I see him offering a decent package to move up.

For what it's worth, in his most recent mock, Peter King has the Texans and 49ers swapping picks, and Houston taking Peterson. I question the logic of his mock though because he has Arizona taking AJ Green (which makes no sense to me with their other major needs taking much higher precedence over a luxury #2 WR) and then has San Francisco taking Prince Akuwamura (sic) at 11. Granted, my track record when it comes to picking the draft is suspect at best, however I can't help but think if Peterson does fall to 7, San Francisco would take him for themselves.

DocBar
04-21-2011, 05:12 PM
good post! I've been thinking Dallas will trade up with Arizona to snag Peterson.Why would Dallas do that when they can pretty much have the OL of their choice where they are? Their biggest need is OT and Tyrone Smith grades out pretty damn well. It is drafting for need, but he's got to be in the mix for BPA at that point.

Ole Miss Texan
04-21-2011, 05:15 PM
Why would Dallas do that when they can pretty much have the OL of their choice where they are? Their biggest need is OT and Tyrone Smith grades out pretty damn well. It is drafting for need, but he's got to be in the mix for BPA at that point.
A. Because it's Jerry Jones
B. Because it's likely Dallas (aka Jerry) loves Peterson and has him rated #1
C. Because Secondary is arguably their biggest need alongside OT.
D. Because it just smells like something that would happen.
E. Because... See A

Tx Longhorn
04-21-2011, 05:25 PM
Why would Dallas do that when they can pretty much have the OL of their choice where they are? Their biggest need is OT and Tyrone Smith grades out pretty damn well. It is drafting for need, but he's got to be in the mix for BPA at that point.

I know there's always a first time for everything, but Dallas has never selected an OLineman with their first round pick under Jerry Jones.

DocBar
04-21-2011, 05:25 PM
A. Because it's Jerry Jones
B. Because it's likely Dallas (aka Jerry) loves Peterson and has him rated #1
C. Because Secondary is arguably their biggest need alongside OT.
D. Because it just smells like something that would happen.
E. Because... See AROFL. Your logic is impeccable.

Lucky
04-21-2011, 11:04 PM
I question the logic of his mock though because he has Arizona taking AJ Green (which makes no sense to me with their other major needs taking much higher precedence over a luxury #2 WR)...
It makes even less sense if you're aware of the QB situation in Arizona. King is clueless. He spews whatever his sources leak to him. King is John McClain with a coffee fetish.


Cincinnati takes either Green or Gabbert.
Some teams prefer Julio Jones to Green. Cincy might be one of those teams.

Tx Longhorn
04-22-2011, 12:00 AM
It makes even less sense if you're aware of the QB situation in Arizona. King is clueless. He spews whatever his sources leak to him. King is John McClain with a coffee fetish.

Precisely.

I assume his logic here is that Larry Fitzgerald and AJ Green would be enough to make even the worst of quarterbacks look like world beaters. Apparently, King hasn't paid much attention to how bad Arizona's QB core was last season. Derek Anderson may be the worst starting QB in the NFL, Max Hall looks like a career clipboard carrier and John Skelton has promise, but he's raw as the day is long.

With this said, even IF Gabbert or Newton falls, I honestly don't see them taking a QB at 5. Larry Fitzgerald's pending free agency (he's a free agent after the season) is hanging over that franchise like the proverbial black cloud of doom. The absolute last thing Ken Whisenhunt or Rod Graves can afford to do is add another developmental signal caller. They'll be going after an established name (I'm almost certain it's either going to be Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb. McNabb lives in Phoenix, and could be in line for a Kurt Warner type revival, and I think his trade value is lower than Kolb's. Plus, he's more "established" as a winner in the league.)

Yet, while I don't see them taking either of the QB, I sure as hell don't see them going after a pure luxury pick, which is what Green would be. Even though he could be a fix for the long term, setting themselves up in case Fitzgerald leaves, they have much greater immediate needs that need resolved, such as a pass rusher, help on the offensive line and even help in the secondary. I honestly see them taking Peterson for themselves before they grab Green.

Realistically, if they stand pat at 5, if Denver and Buffalo pass on him, they will race to the stands to take Von Miller. If he's gone, I could see Quinn as a viable second option. However, if Miller does get picked as expected, I really do see them putting the pick up for trade, moving down. Of the teams likely, I could see Dallas, I could see Detroit and there's a good possibly the Texans could be in play. Peterson SHOULD be there at 5, Arizona trading the pick to Houston (hypothetically) allows them to keep him out of the NFC West, while also giving them the opportunity to move down and still get a player of need like Aldon Smith or possibly Tyron Smith/one of the offensive linemen.

Some teams prefer Julio Jones to Green. Cincy might be one of those teams.

I've got them as 1/1a. Jones' ability to block and willingness to play hurt make him a very appealing option to quite a few teams in the top ten. I wouldn't be surprised if both the Ohio teams wind up taking WR, I truly DON'T see either falling out of the top ten.

Between the two, do you want the next Larry Fitgerald (potentially) or do you want the next Hines Ward? That's essentially what teams in the top ten are choosing from when debating between the two.

Ole Miss Texan
04-22-2011, 10:06 AM
I've got them as 1/1a. Jones' ability to block and willingness to play hurt make him a very appealing option to quite a few teams in the top ten. I wouldn't be surprised if both the Ohio teams wind up taking WR, I truly DON'T see either falling out of the top ten.

Between the two, do you want the next Larry Fitgerald (potentially) or do you want the next Hines Ward? That's essentially what teams in the top ten are choosing from when debating between the two.
Same here. I view AJ Green similar to Randy Moss and Julio Jones similar to Andre Johnson. I believe Julio fits the Texans really really well and would choose him for us over Green. Other teams, Green may be more appealing though. I'd love to have Julio but really don't think he's going to be available at 11.