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awtysst
04-11-2011, 11:38 AM
It's good to be back! After a 4.5 month hiatus from the boards, I present to you the triumphant return of the Draft Guru...awtysst! Please contain your excitement and joy!

What you have here is a collaborative Mock Draft featuring one of the best draft prognosticators on the board: BeerLover and me(awtysst). Last year Beerlover and I combined on one of the best mock drafts I have ever put together. He reached out again this year and I quickly jumped at the opportunity. We have read each other's work for years and I have certainly learned a lot and grown from his insights. So, thank you BL, I had a great time doing this and I hope you did as well!

Now, on with the show. Last year, if you recall, Beerlover and I put out a 1 round mock. This year, we upped the ante by doing a full 1 round mock as well as the Texans picks from 2-Mr. Irrelevant.Taking it to the next level, is what Beerlover and I are all about!

Round 1

1. Carolina: Blaine Gabbert-QB Missouri
The league has slowly moved towards an offense focused passing league. These days without a good QB, your franchise is toast. Carolina takes the better QB prospect (Newton is the better athlete).

2. Denver: Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
Denver's D was not great last year. They got pushed around by just about everybody. Dareus brings that tough strong anchor for the run game and provides penetration ability. He is a ideal as they transition back to the 4-3 under Fox.

3. Buffalo: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
Buffalo, like Carolina, has a ton of holes. The difference is they have Fitzpatrick who can start for a year while Newton learns the system. I suspect Gailey will use Newton as Denver used Tebow last year: in special packages and ease him into the NFL.

4.Cincinnati: Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
While everyone talks about the Palmer situation, remember, they don't have any wide receivers to throw the ball to. JJ is bigger, faster, and stronger than AJ. Cincy goes for him.

5. Arizona: Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
Wow. Arizona gets lucky. They could use DB help and they get the best DB in the entire draft and a player some think is the best prospect of the draft. Part of Peterson's fall is the premium placed on QBs in the NFL.

6. Cleveland: A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
If the draft occurs like this, Cleveland makes their pick in about 2 seconds. They got their franchise QB in Colt McCoy last year. Now, he needs his franchise receiver. He gets a very good one in AJ.

7. San Francisco: Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M
This may go down as the steal of the entire draft. Here is the thing, Von Miller is a much better 3-4 OLB prospect than DE. He could have gone to Buffalo, but the QB premium trumps an OLB. Then he could have gone to Arizona, but Peterson, a better prospect is sitting there.

8. Tennessee: Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
I hate to see this as a Texans fan, but Fairley is exactly what the Titans need. He is a strong, run stopper, and solid pass rusher. He makes the Titans Defense stronger.

9. Dallas: Tyron Smith, OT, USC
This is the smart pick. One of the reasons Romo went down was shoddy O line protection. We all know what shoddy O line protection can do to a QB. Smith is an excellent prospect and will fit in right away in Jerry World.

10. Washington:Robert Quinn, OLB North Carolina
A near perfect situation for Quinn and he should be praying this happens. In Washington he already has OLB Brian Orakpo there to help him. Orakpo will get lots of double teams which will only help Quinn.

11. Texans: Cam Jordan, DE Cal
The Texans D had a tremendous amount of holes on defense last year. In this scenario, they must take BPA and fortunately for them, Jordan is the man. He starred as a 3-4 DE at Cal for 3 years, played the run well, and was able to put pressure on the QB. He reminds me of a Shaun Ellis type of 3-4 DE. He has tremendous NFL bloodlines in that his father was a 6 time probowler at TE. Yeah, I said it, TE. There is his TE connection, which makes him gold in Kube' mind.

12. Minnesota: Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
Minnesota is in desperate need of a CB and Prince would be a great fit for them. He could start from Day 1.

13. Detroit: Da'Quan Bowers, DE Clemson
A big drop, but he has a couple of negatives: 1)injury concerns. He has been unable to get healthy to perform for teams. 2) 4-3 DE only. He cannot play 3-4 OLB, so that limits teams interested. Bowers would be a fantastic addition to a D line that already features Mr. Suh.

14. St. Louis: Anthony Contonzo
The theme of the day is if you don't have a QB, get one. If you have one, you better protect him. Bradford did great last year, but he won't last unless they bring in some more O line help for him.

15. Miami: Aldon Smith, OLB Missouri
Many people like the idea of having Mark Ingram go here. We don't. Ingram has been injured and the last thing you want to do is grab an injured RB this high in the draft. Instead, they address their need of trying to put pressure on the QB.

16. Jacksonville: Ryan Kerrigan, DE Purude
A natural athletic and fluid 4-3 DE. Jax has been trying to address the DE position for years. Now they finally make the right decision.

17. New England: JJ Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin, 6-5 290
Relentless, 5 technique DE for Patriots 3-4 who finally fill the void left by Richard Seymore RDE. This is rmartin65 & badboys favorite 5 technique DE that only predicates he should be taken earlier, preferably by the Texans but you just know Bill Billchick will work this draft & get his people in line.

18. San Diego: Justin Houston, DE/OLB, Georgia, 6-3 270
Edge rusher, downhill, single minded QB sack artist who projects nicely into replacing once feared Shawn Merriman for Chargers. Houston’s stock soared when Georgia switched to a 3-4 scheme. Playing OLB he was productive with 18.5 tackles for loss & 10 sacks.

19. New York Giants: Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin, 6-7 314
Big ugly, nothing personal. Not the most gifted athlete but just plug him & he would instantly improve Eli Mannings protection. Gabe is very durable & you got love his mindset when questioned at the combine Gabe replied, “I’m physically stronger and have more career starts and better knowledge of the game than any other tackle out there. That’s why I’m the No. 1 tackle out there.” Ok, so we’re going with him as the newest Giant.

20. Tampa Bay: Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa, 6-3 281
Name me the Buccaneers starting LDE. Times up it’s Adrian Clayborn. Tampa uses the 4-3 & while improved greatly last season 1st pick Gerald McCoy, DT needs help to shed double teams. Clayborn is a strong run defender plus he can penetrate the pocket & sack or force QB turnovers.

21. Kansas City: Phil Taylor, NT, Baylor 6-3 334
Scott Pioli is a direct follower off the Bellichick tree, he needs a true 3-4 NG in the Vince Wilfork mold & since there is only one premier talent @ this position in this years draft he pulls the trigger early. Great fit next to Dorsey & Tyson Jackson. Those years of Texans squeaking by the Chiefs are over.

22. Indianapolis: Nate Solder, OT, Colorado, 6-8 319
Small hands for size, needs more anchor/sand in his pants but is very athletic. Peyton needs his LT sooner than later its gonna be a tough learning experience but this need can no longer be ignored, despite his boom/bust projection we expect to see Nate shaded constantly with either Clark or Santi.

23. Philadelphia: Mike Pouncey, G, Florida, 6-5 303
Plug in play. Strength in run blocking, added value as back-up Center. Brother of Steeler rookie sensation Pro-Bowl Center Maurkice Pouncey. We feel he’ll replace Todd Herremans immediately but long term will probably shift over to Center like his brother.

24. New Orleans: Stephen Paea, DT. Oregon State, 6-1 303
Requires double team, impossible to control man to man. Disruptive, athletic & strong. Best used as UT in a 4-3 so fits scheme in New Orleans perfectly, next to Ellis the pocket will collapse & New Orleans will no longer be known as just a finesse team.

25. Seattle: Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State, 6-5 294
We love his frame & think he has plenty of room to fill out & be a disruptive DT in a 3-4. Very versatile athlete, maybe the steal of this mock draft to date, is coming off major injury (Tommy John Surgery) so Seattle gets a steal here this late.

26. Baltimore: Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado, 6-2 211
Proto-typical NFL sized CB. Lots of character concerns but that’s where veteran leadership comes to the forefront like Rey Lewis & Ed Reed to keep the rookie straight. Not for an inexperienced team like the Texans. Great combine numbers, elite athlete, would not surprise us in the Raven system if he doesn’t turn out to be the best CB in this draft.

27. Atlanta: Torrey Smith, WR, Maryland, 6-1 204
Roddy White had a breakout season for Atlanta putting himself into top 10 fantasy picks next season (assuming we have a season) but he needs help (like Andre Johnson, yeah we’re going to address that but more latter).

28. New England: Brooks Reed, OLB Arizona. 6-3 263
Bellichik passed on Clay Matthews, I doubt he passes on another terror to fill his 3-4 OLB need. Defense adds two starters day one. We’re also willing to allow a small window for Texans FO to move up to select Brooks, what a perfect fit for Wade Phillip’s new Texan 3-4. Reed’s change of direction ability, tenacity, short burst power suggest his production would be elite given the right system to pin his ears back along with his long gold locks & make life miserable for opposing QB’s.

29. Chicago: Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State, 6-5 321
The Bears are so close in the new Jay Cutler/Lovie Smith era all they need is better protection so the pocket doesn’t collapse, hence the poor, desperate decision making by an endangered QB. We would hope Derek becomes more of a closer & finishes his man/play off in the Bear tradition, he has all the talent you look for otherwise in a LT.

30. Jets: Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA, 6-3 254
Tough pick, there are trade-up options for Ryan to consider, but this Prince is a very fluid athlete, sideline to sideline that can pressure the QB in a 3-4 playing OLB. We feel this matches up with both need & value here at the end of the first round, that Akeem Ayers will be a starting Jet day one.

31. Pittsburgh: Brandon Harris, CB, Miami, 5-10 191
Ike Taylor is probably gone via free agency, whenever CBA is resolved. Brandon gives them the best shot at inserting a rookie replacement ready to start. Very competitive in Steeler tradition, good man to man coverage skills & accustomed to facing other teams bigger #1 WR’s.

32. Green Bay: Muhammad Wilkerson, DE/DT, Temple, 6-4 315
Why not take Ingram here? Well you build from the trenches out & GB needs to address their DL as well. Wilkerson would be too good to pass up & is an ideal 5 tech DE to replace Cullen Jenkins likely to leave via free agency. Wilkerson as a rookie could actually upgrade the position keeping the Packers D strong & in the hunt to repeat in Capers attacking 3-4.

Texans

2. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6-1 200
Excellent value/slot to address secondary need with bigger, faster cover CB. This would give the Texans a pair of bookend corners to match-up with any opposing WR sets, allowing Quinn to move to Safety. Expect the Texans to also be players once CBA ratified, for an experienced CB like aforementioned Ike Taylor. This is critical to developing our young, talented corners.

3. Chris Carter, OLB, Fresno State, 6-1 248
Not sure we’ll have to wait this far, expect the Texans to trade up for Brooks in first or Acho in the 2nd, but if they stand pat to their draft board Carter could be @ the top of their OLB list early in the 3rd. Played DE @ Fresno State so there is that whole projection aspect to this pick, but he displays the athletic ability to move in space, explosion off the edge & instincts to develop into a hybrid OLB in Wade Phillips 3-4.

4. Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina, 6-2 205
True Center fielder, exhibiting the range Texans have coveted along with terrific hands & playmaking skills to make the acrobatic INT. Since we do not have access to his medical files this is a pick on faith, that he can return to 100% in due time, once he does he will work his way into the rotation & we’ll all see Sunday if he is the answer long needed.

5.Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
A sleeper small school talent. He has decent size, great hands, and can run. A perfect compliment to AJ and is what JJ was supposed to be.

6. Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi
A prototypical NT project for Wade to develop. Phillips is the guy who will tailor his D to his player's strengths rather than trying to force fit players into his scheme. Give him time and we may have a very special player in Gray.

7. Bruce Miller, OLB Southern Florida
The "other" 3-4 OLB Miller prospect. This one is a high motor, high effort, pass rushing machine. 17 TFL and 12 sacks is pretty darn good. He is not a run stopper, but he has the ability to become a pass rush specialist. Putting pressure on the QB is the name of the game in the 3-4.

Mr. Irrelevant: Greg Lloyd, ILB, Pittsburgh
It's hard to call the son of an NFL legend Mr. Irrelevant, but in this case he is. He is a very solid ILB. He is not spectacular, but he works hard and has reasonable side to side speed. He would be a very valuable depth player at a position that might be thinner than we expect. I will make him Mr. Irrelevant here.

Ole Miss Texan
04-11-2011, 12:17 PM
Really good job, I love it!

I can't argue with the Cameron Jordan selection, I like it.

Comments under Brooks Reed (who I really like for us too) mentions Wade Smith... not Phillips. lol

Veteran CB like Ike Taylor + Jackson + House, with Quin going to FS? Looks like a solid secondary to me.

I totally agree with the possibility of Sam Acho in the 2nd round if we don't get an OLB in the 1st. It's amazing how on the same page we are.

I've been reading some that Chris Carter could be an incredible 3-4 INSIDE LB. This would be a great selection that Wade could find a spot for. OLB/ILB, good value in the 3rd if he's available.

Bruce Miller is a guy I'm targeting late too. I think he's going to surprise some people and be one of those that just finds a way to stick around.

TexCanada
04-11-2011, 12:32 PM
Great read, thanks. NE would be an even scarier team then they already are if the first round falls like this.

awtysst
04-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Really good job, I love it!

I can't argue with the Cameron Jordan selection, I like it.

Comments under Brooks Reed (who I really like for us too) mentions Wade Smith... not Phillips. lol

Veteran CB like Ike Taylor + Jackson + House, with Quin going to FS? Looks like a solid secondary to me.

I totally agree with the possibility of Sam Acho in the 2nd round if we don't get an OLB in the 1st. It's amazing how on the same page we are.

I've been reading some that Chris Carter could be an incredible 3-4 INSIDE LB. This would be a great selection that Wade could find a spot for. OLB/ILB, good value in the 3rd if he's available.

Bruce Miller is a guy I'm targeting late too. I think he's going to surprise some people and be one of those that just finds a way to stick around.

Since Wade Smith did an ok job as OG we figured he couuld be a a D coordinator, right?! Seriously though, thanks for the catch on "Wade Smith."

I think Kubiak pretty knows his ass is on the line here. Phillips is here so if there is a screwup, Bob will fire kubes and hire Phillips. That means they have to be aggressive in FA and getting a CB like Ike is a strong possibility.

I also think there are many solid passrushers in this draft. The beauty of drafting a guy like Jordan is he brings additional pass rush from his side, like a Shaun Ellis does.

I see Bruce Miller as a high motor, high effort guy that loves football. I think you are right, he isn't a star, but he could be that guy that sticks around this league for a LONG time!

Thanks for the feedback!

awtysst
04-11-2011, 12:57 PM
Great read, thanks. NE would be an even scarier team then they already are if the first round falls like this.

The scary thing about New England is they are always in the right place at the right time. They take best player available and always walk away from the draft with a few really good players. In this draft we had NE staying put, but don't be surprised if they trade down or trade a pick for one next year.

Thanks for the feedback!

SAMURAITEXAN
04-11-2011, 01:47 PM
Nice Job! I would like for us to really look into OLB in the 1st or 2nd just like you mentioned. But, can't complain on DE in the first though. Is there any other prospect worth drafting OLB position besides Acho?

Hottoddie
04-11-2011, 01:51 PM
11. Texans: Cam Jordan, DE Cal
The Texans D had a tremendous amount of holes on defense last year. In this scenario, they must take BPA and fortunately for them, Jordan is the man. He starred as a 3-4 DE at Cal for 3 years, played the run well, and was able to put pressure on the QB. He reminds me of a Shaun Ellis type of 3-4 DE. He has tremendous NFL bloodlines in that his father was a 6 time probowler at TE. Yeah, I said it, TE. There is his TE connection, which makes him gold in Kube' mind.

I just haven't gotten on the Jordan bandwagon yet. I see where his experience in the 3-4 will enable him to make an immediate impact on the team, but I like JJ Watt's upside much more. I also feel that Amukamara would fill a more pressing need on the defense & we can't count on free agency netting us a starting CB. In order for us to have a chance at a quality free agent CB the Texan's front office is going to have to make a major philosophical change in how they allocate their finances. But hey, there's always a chance.

2. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6-1 200
Excellent value/slot to address secondary need with bigger, faster cover CB. This would give the Texans a pair of bookend corners to match-up with any opposing WR sets, allowing Quinn to move to Safety. Expect the Texans to also be players once CBA ratified, for an experienced CB like aforementioned Ike Taylor. This is critical to developing our young, talented corners.

I've gone back & forth on choosing House or Quinton Carter here. I really like Carters versatility to be able to play both FS/SS positions & his ability to slide over to the CB position during CB blitzes. If we're able to land a veteran CB in free agency or select Amukamara in the first, moving Quin to FS would allow us to put Carter at SS & would give us two safeties with great speed & ballhawking skills. Carter has the skills of a FS, but isn't afraid to bring the wood. Did ya'll consider Carter here?

3. Chris Carter, OLB, Fresno State, 6-1 248
Not sure we’ll have to wait this far, expect the Texans to trade up for Brooks in first or Acho in the 2nd, but if they stand pat to their draft board Carter could be @ the top of their OLB list early in the 3rd. Played DE @ Fresno State so there is that whole projection aspect to this pick, but he displays the athletic ability to move in space, explosion off the edge & instincts to develop into a hybrid OLB in Wade Phillips 3-4.

I really like this pick. He's great value here & gives us our 4th starting linebacker.

4. Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina, 6-2 205
True Center fielder, exhibiting the range Texans have coveted along with terrific hands & playmaking skills to make the acrobatic INT. Since we do not have access to his medical files this is a pick on faith, that he can return to 100% in due time, once he does he will work his way into the rotation & we’ll all see Sunday if he is the answer long needed.

I've liked this kid all along & have felt he'd be the steal of this draft due to him recovering from his injury. He would definitely nail down the FS position for us. However, I've been leaning more towards Chris Culliver lately due to his versatility at playing the CB/FS/KR role. Do you have any thoughts on him?

5.Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
A sleeper small school talent. He has decent size, great hands, and can run. A perfect compliment to AJ and is what JJ was supposed to be.

Nice pick here. He's very intriguing.

6. Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi
A prototypical NT project for Wade to develop. Phillips is the guy who will tailor his D to his player's strengths rather than trying to force fit players into his scheme. Give him time and we may have a very special player in Gray.

7. Bruce Miller, OLB Southern Florida
The "other" 3-4 OLB Miller prospect. This one is a high motor, high effort, pass rushing machine. 17 TFL and 12 sacks is pretty darn good. He is not a run stopper, but he has the ability to become a pass rush specialist. Putting pressure on the QB is the name of the game in the 3-4.

Mr. Irrelevant: Greg Lloyd, ILB, Pittsburgh
It's hard to call the son of an NFL legend Mr. Irrelevant, but in this case he is. He is a very solid ILB. He is not spectacular, but he works hard and has reasonable side to side speed. He would be a very valuable depth player at a position that might be thinner than we expect. I will make him Mr. Irrelevant here.

I don't really know much about these last 3 players & will trust your judgement.


Very nice mock overall.

Wolf6151
04-11-2011, 02:03 PM
I like your Texans draft but I disagree that Jordan would be the pick if Amukamara is available. The Texans have always addressed their biggest need in the 1st round and I don't think they deviate from that this year. I like Jordan as an experienced 3-4 DE but our secondary is easily our biggest need and Jordan would sit behind Smith and Williams on the depth chart. Jordan would make sense only as insurance of the chance or losing Williams to FA next year. I also don't think Deunta Williams will be available in the 4th round. Injury or not he was a very good FS and I think he goes in the 3rd round. I like your #2, #3, and #6 picks.

badboy
04-11-2011, 02:21 PM
Good work guys & thanks for the effort you both put in. My comments: I've not watched Jordan & bow to your info but as I've expressed Texans need to have a starter @#11 that makes an impact. I just don't see either Jordan or Watts beating out Smith or Mario this season. Having said that, I also do not see anyone else other than Julio Jones slipping to 11. Like Wolf, I'm thinking Smithiak selects Amukamara and I hope I'm wrong in my evaluation of the Prince. We can not blow two first round selections in a row especially @ CB.

Señor Stan
04-11-2011, 02:23 PM
I think the Texans biggest draft need is a 3-4 OLB.

Their biggest overall need is an experienced NFL corner. You can't draft one of those.

rmartin65
04-11-2011, 02:35 PM
11. Texans: Cam Jordan, DE Cal
The Texans D had a tremendous amount of holes on defense last year. In this scenario, they must take BPA and fortunately for them, Jordan is the man. He starred as a 3-4 DE at Cal for 3 years, played the run well, and was able to put pressure on the QB. He reminds me of a Shaun Ellis type of 3-4 DE. He has tremendous NFL bloodlines in that his father was a 6 time probowler at TE. Yeah, I said it, TE. There is his TE connection, which makes him gold in Kube' mind.

2. Davon House, CB, New Mexico State, 6-1 200
Excellent value/slot to address secondary need with bigger, faster cover CB. This would give the Texans a pair of bookend corners to match-up with any opposing WR sets, allowing Quinn to move to Safety. Expect the Texans to also be players once CBA ratified, for an experienced CB like aforementioned Ike Taylor. This is critical to developing our young, talented corners.

3. Chris Carter, OLB, Fresno State, 6-1 248
Not sure we’ll have to wait this far, expect the Texans to trade up for Brooks in first or Acho in the 2nd, but if they stand pat to their draft board Carter could be @ the top of their OLB list early in the 3rd. Played DE @ Fresno State so there is that whole projection aspect to this pick, but he displays the athletic ability to move in space, explosion off the edge & instincts to develop into a hybrid OLB in Wade Phillips 3-4.

4. Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina, 6-2 205
True Center fielder, exhibiting the range Texans have coveted along with terrific hands & playmaking skills to make the acrobatic INT. Since we do not have access to his medical files this is a pick on faith, that he can return to 100% in due time, once he does he will work his way into the rotation & we’ll all see Sunday if he is the answer long needed.

5.Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas A&M
A sleeper small school talent. He has decent size, great hands, and can run. A perfect compliment to AJ and is what JJ was supposed to be.

6. Anthony Gray, NT, Southern Mississippi
A prototypical NT project for Wade to develop. Phillips is the guy who will tailor his D to his player's strengths rather than trying to force fit players into his scheme. Give him time and we may have a very special player in Gray.

7. Bruce Miller, OLB Southern Florida
The "other" 3-4 OLB Miller prospect. This one is a high motor, high effort, pass rushing machine. 17 TFL and 12 sacks is pretty darn good. He is not a run stopper, but he has the ability to become a pass rush specialist. Putting pressure on the QB is the name of the game in the 3-4.

Mr. Irrelevant: Greg Lloyd, ILB, Pittsburgh
It's hard to call the son of an NFL legend Mr. Irrelevant, but in this case he is. He is a very solid ILB. He is not spectacular, but he works hard and has reasonable side to side speed. He would be a very valuable depth player at a position that might be thinner than we expect. I will make him Mr. Irrelevant here.

I like it guys, good work.

Love Jordan. I have Watt, but as I have told BL, the two are interchangeable in my eyes. Your 2-4 picks are awesome as well.

Now, I think you have Burton a little early. He is a project at this point, more of an athlete than a receiver. I actually think we have a very similar player in Dickerson, so I would probably go another direction here.

I like Gray as well. Very solid player, wont ever be All Pro, but will be a 10 year starter at the position.

I like going for another OLB, and I like getting a backup ILB. Way to finish strong.

badboy
04-11-2011, 02:39 PM
I think the Texans biggest draft need is a 3-4 OLB.

Their biggest overall need is an experienced NFL corner. You can't draft one of those.Stan, I agree but a OLB can be selected in 2nd or third and we have no starter capable CB if Quin does indeed go to FS. My fear is I do not see any player at #11 that will impact the game unless either Jones or Robert Quinn slide to us. We need to be talking to them Patriot dudes about a trade.

Ole Miss Texan
04-11-2011, 02:43 PM
I think the Texans biggest draft need is a 3-4 OLB.

Their biggest overall need is an experienced NFL corner. You can't draft one of those.

That's the way I see it too.

Some viewing pleasure of our hopeful future OLB:

Against Anthony Costanzo at the Senior Bowl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nST9RPCp_Ew&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KAqii4lrk&feature=related

Jackie Chiles
04-11-2011, 02:53 PM
Chris Carter is a guy that is really intriguing to me. Just watching some of his highlights and looking at his build and athletic numbers he looks like a James Harrison clone. 6 ft 1 250lbs runs in the 4.5s, good vertical jump and is strong. Really uses his leverage and quickness to his advantage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Wade coach him in the Shrine game? If he did and he liked what he saw I could see us using our 2nd on him.

Someday some coach is going to be quoted as saying, "Chris Carter, all he does is sack QBs."

Ole Miss Texan
04-11-2011, 03:15 PM
Awtbeer "the magnificent duo" - There's a lot of prospects here that we both like a lot for the Texans. Trades are extremely hard to predict... but they're fun. What would yall think of this?

San Diego trades up from #18 to #11 to insure that get their targeted player, Cameron Jordan. Houston receives the 18th overall and their 2nd round pick (#61 overall).

1st (18) - OLB Brooks Reed, Arizona
2nd (42) - CB Davon House, New Mexico St.
2nd (61) - ILB/OLB Chris Carter, Fresno St.
3rd - DL prospect like Jarvis Jenkins or maybe a Safety.

This frees up the 3rd rounder to insure we get Carter (late 2nd).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Wade coach him in the Shrine game? If he did and he liked what he saw I could see us using our 2nd on him.
You're correct, Wade did coach him at the East/West Shrine Game. Coaches tend to really go for players "they know" when they coach them at these post-season events like the Senior Bowl and Shrine Game.

Señor Stan
04-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Stan, I agree but a OLB can be selected in 2nd or third and we have no starter capable CB if Quin does indeed go to FS. My fear is I do not see any player at #11 that will impact the game unless either Jones or Robert Quinn slide to us. We need to be talking to them Patriot dudes about a trade.


I agree the Texans need an impact player*. I just know I can't stomach going into another season starting a rookie CB.

* insert obligatory "the only impact our 1st round pick from last year made was with the ground" joke here.

beerlover
04-11-2011, 04:33 PM
my bad on the wade phillips (smith) thing, trying to beat awt deadline & didn't proof read. Too much emphasis always placed on a teams first rounder, guys & gals there are 7 other players to consider. what has historically killed the Texans is trading away 2nd rounders, these guys are the bricks & mortar of a teams foundation, while the first round guy needs to be a playmaker period. He should be elite @ his position, command double teams & show the ability to put his teammates on his back & carry them to the next level. Cameron Jordan paired with Mario Williams can do that. It will free up OLB's to hit holes quicker & limit secondary exposure in coverage. Cannot reach again for need & bypass another defensive positional player who is higher rated & fits the new scheme perfectly, in fact better than what's currently on the roster.

there are gonna be some good CB's available early in the second, which one is really hard to say, but he needs to come with a package of size & speed, Davon fits that bill.

Chris Carter is intriguing I like Jackie Chiles comp in Harrison. You can still meet need @ OLB in the third with someone like WADE PHILLIPS who understands the skill set needed, in fact I think that's a done deal, then putting a little cream on the top later in the draft with a speed guy to develop.

Deunta Williams is a special player when healthy, I don't care if it takes another year for him to rehab 100% the wait will be worth it, just hope other teams lack as much patience.

thanks for all your feedback :fingergun:

Ole Miss Texan
04-11-2011, 04:46 PM
Too much emphasis always placed on a teams first rounder, guys & gals there are 7 other players to consider. what has historically killed the Texans is trading away 2nd rounders, these guys are the bricks & mortar of a teams foundation, while the first round guy needs to be a playmaker period. He should be elite @ his position, command double teams & show the ability to put his teammates on his back & carry them to the next level. Cameron Jordan paired with Mario Williams can do that. It will free up OLB's to hit holes quicker & limit secondary exposure in coverage. Cannot reach again for need & bypass another defensive positional player who is higher rated & fits the new scheme perfectly, in fact better than what's currently on the roster.

there are gonna be some good CB's available early in the second, which one is really hard to say, but he needs to come with a package of size & speed, Davon fits that bill.

Chris Carter is intriguing I like Jackie Chiles comp in Harrison. You can still meet need @ OLB in the third with someone like WADE PHILLIPS who understands the skill set needed, in fact I think that's a done deal, then putting a little cream on the top later in the draft with a speed guy to develop.

Deunta Williams is a special player when healthy, I don't care if it takes another year for him to rehab 100% the wait will be worth it, just hope other teams lack as much patience.

:clap::goodpost::bravo:

Your first paragraph needs to be copied and then pasted all across this message board... in every thread. I love it. Add in that Wade is a really brilliant defensive-minded coach and I'm really really looking forward to our draft.

Unfortunately I can never Rep you. Maybe you should slow down on the good posts ;)

drs23
04-11-2011, 05:01 PM
Just off the phone with Bob. Rick Smith is fired. You guys are hired. Need to be @ Reliant Wednesday morn. Rick needs a day to clean out your new office. :D

steelbtexan
04-11-2011, 07:35 PM
This mock is very realistic. We can only hope Rick and Gary do as well.

I will be coming out with my prospects list on Dale and Barrtts blog this week.

Carter has moved up to a late 2nd r grade. But I could see Rick taking him if he fall to the 3rd. He would be a steal at that point.

Love the House pick, he has potential/measuables to be the best CB in this draft. He can turn and run with WR's better than any CB in this draft. IMHO House also showed great speed at his pro day 4.32/4.35 40's.

beerlover
04-11-2011, 07:53 PM
:clap::goodpost::bravo:

Your first paragraph needs to be copied and then pasted all across this message board... in every thread. I love it. Add in that Wade is a really brilliant defensive-minded coach and I'm really really looking forward to our draft.

Unfortunately I can never Rep you. Maybe you should slow down on the good posts ;)

appreciate the love, yeah we seem to have tracked well together some time now, usually your right too! So this is quite high praise in my book :toast2:

with that said if the Texans don't get this draft right the thrill is gone.

steelbtexan
04-11-2011, 08:04 PM
:clap::goodpost::bravo:

Your first paragraph needs to be copied and then pasted all across this message board... in every thread. I love it. Add in that Wade is a really brilliant defensive-minded coach and I'm really really looking forward to our draft.

Unfortunately I can never Rep you. Maybe you should slow down on the good posts ;)

Got him for you

Great job AWT/BL

Lucky
04-11-2011, 09:45 PM
Cannot reach again for need & bypass another defensive positional player who is higher rated...
Jordan is not "higher rated" than Amukamara or Aldon Smith, except by you guys. You look across the vast majority of internet draft rankings, and you'll see Amukuamara rated slightly higher, and Aldon Smith about the same as Jordan.

House and Carter are OK prospects, but probably a round high for each. How many WAC CBs can one team carry? I think there will be better CBs available at #42. And Carter is undersized at 6'1". I don't see him fitting the Wade Phillips mold as a 3-4 OLB.

If deemed healthy by the start of camp (if there is one), Williams would be good value. Though you would think the Texans are looking for someone more physical to pair with Glover Quin at FS. I also like the Burton pick, as he projects as a WCO WR with special teams potential.

The rest of the picks are OK, without a lot of wow. But, it's the 6th and 7th rounds. You aren't projecting trades, but I will be surprised if there aren't 2 or 3 other QBs taken in the 1st, by teams that trade back into or down in the 1st round. Locker, Kaepernick, Mallett, and/or Ponder could all be hot commodities once Gabbert & Newton are off the board.

Glad to see you back, awtysst.

steelbtexan
04-11-2011, 11:10 PM
^^^^

Jordan is one of the safest picks in this draft. I do have Smith rated higher. He has a much higher ceiling.

You underrate House. He's got more natural ability than Quin or McCain combined. IMHO


Carter played for Wade at the East/West game. If Wade takes him I wont have a problem with the pick. There's a reason Carter is available in the 3rd rd. If height is Carters only knock then he'going to be a player.

beerlover
04-12-2011, 08:54 AM
Jordan is not "higher rated" than Amukamara or Aldon Smith, except by you guys. You look across the vast majority of internet draft rankings, and you'll see Amukuamara rated slightly higher, and Aldon Smith about the same as Jordan.

now you are just being totally laughable. another thing, at least I don't look across the vast majority of internet draft rankings to assess my draft board, not speaking for Awtysst, but 50% of my evaluations are done during the season, I say 50% because I have to research & find game film of many draft prospects, simply not enough time/access to watch every game on Thursday nights or Saturdays. I then use a handful of actual scouts advise, along with just a few draft prognosticators like John Harris, Lance Zierlein, Corey Chavous to list a couple. Also subscribe to one of the premier draft agencies ourlads scouting services (which I'm still waiting for their draft guide, any day) as well l watch NFL Network Path to the Draft on occasion, there are a few guests & former players who have something interesting to say once in a while. Then a lot of it is just plain old experience from watching the game for years, seeing these young players grow up & come into the league with high expectations, after a while you know what to look for without anybody telling you what you need to see, the eyes don't lie, well sometimes....which is the beauty of having a pair of eyes for confirmation, hence doing a collective/partner mock draft.

Ole Miss Texan
04-12-2011, 10:23 AM
Jordan is not "higher rated" than Amukamara or Aldon Smith, except by you guys. You look across the vast majority of internet draft rankings, and you'll see Amukuamara rated slightly higher, and Aldon Smith about the same as Jordan.
See this is the type of reasoning where I wholly disagree with many people regarding the draft. It doesn't matter where "internet draft rankings" have any prospects ranked. It's nice to look at but those aren't accurate in my eyes.

I don't doubt some teams will have Amukamara rated higher, while others may have Jordan, or Smith. Some may have Watt rated as a Top 10 while others have him in the 20's. Each team is unique and that's what you have to concentrate on. Overall prospect rankings don't take every team into account. It depends on the player, style of play, scheme, etc. Some teams may have Julio Jones rated higher than AJ Green.

If we went by the internet gurus across America, Reggie Bush or Vince Young would be on our team.

awtysst
04-12-2011, 10:40 PM
Jordan is not "higher rated" than Amukamara or Aldon Smith, except by you guys. You look across the vast majority of internet draft rankings, and you'll see Amukuamara rated slightly higher, and Aldon Smith about the same as Jordan.

Different people use different rating systems. Some people use actual play, others use play + projection, others use strict projection. Prince is a great prospect, no doubt about it, but in my opinion Jordan is a bit ahead of him. Jordan is a well rounded 3-4 DE who can rush, knock down balls, plays the run hard, and even can drop into coverage. Is he perfect, no. But he reminds me of a young Shaun Ellis. Shaun Ellis is the type of DE we could use. Is Smith a 3-4 DE starter? Maybe. Is Marrio? I don't know. I do know that this guy can play 3-4 DE since he did it at a very high level for 3 years already.

I would say 75-85% of my prognostication is based on actual play.
I think of the Combine and Prodays as a way to measure maturity. It is a mistake to elevate someone based on projecting off combine numbers. If you do, you end up with a Vernon Ghoslten most of the time.

A lot of teams screw up in drafting becuase they don't go for the football player, they go for the weight room/combine/pro day guy. A guy who played well 3 years plus in college is more likely to have a solid to good NFL career than a 1 year wonder with awesome projectibles will have of a great NFL career. While the one year wonder may have a better ceiling, they tend to be high risk high reward. The great teams don't take high risk high reward players, they draft good football players. That is my philosophy. Draft the best football player available to you. And to me, Jordan is that guy.

I would also remind you of a situation in 2007. We pretty much said we needed a DT and reached on Okoye. Some of us here wanted Patrick Willis, but others told us that we had Demeco already, so we didn't need Patrick. Others wanted Revis, but we were told we already had Dunta, so we didn't need Revis. What we needed was a disruptive DT to compliment Mario. Well, we reached and blew it. Always take the BPA and then figure out how to get the best players on the field. If your problem is having to sit good players for better players, you have a great problem.

Someday, hopefully the Texans will have that problem.

kiwitexansfan
04-12-2011, 11:07 PM
You underrate House. He's got more natural ability than Quin or McCain combined. IMHO

This House has more talent than McCain....

http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/house.jpg

Yes, if you were wondering I drink deeply of McCain Haterade.

Lucky
04-12-2011, 11:52 PM
Is Smith a 3-4 DE starter? Maybe. Is Marrio? I don't know. I do know that this guy can play 3-4 DE since he did it at a very high level for 3 years already.
Mario and Antonio are proven NFL players. But you're not sure they can play the 3-4? But, you're sure that Jordan can? Because he did it in the Pac-10?

If there is a position on the d-line with ?'s, it's NT. I guess the perfect draft world for me would for the Texans to move down in the 1st, pickup an extra 2nd, and come away with a NT, OLB, & CB. But Williams & Smith are two of your 4 best players on defense. It's ludicrous to spend a 1st round pick to back them up. Even Smithiak knows this.

beerlover
04-13-2011, 12:25 AM
Mario and Antonio are proven NFL players. But you're not sure they can play the 3-4? But, you're sure that Jordan can? Because he did it in the Pac-10?

If there is a position on the d-line with ?'s, it's NT. I guess the perfect draft world for me would for the Texans to move down in the 1st, pickup an extra 2nd, and come away with a NT, OLB, & CB. But Williams & Smith are two of your 4 best players on defense. It's ludicrous to spend a 1st round pick to back them up. Even Smithiak knows this.

Well Rick Smith has proven over & over again he will reach to address need, bypassing BPA so yeah, I guess, he got us on that one Awtysst. But this isn't WHAT THE TEXANS WILL DO, ITS MEARLY WHAT WE FEEL THEY SHOULD DO!

awtysst
04-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Mario and Antonio are proven NFL players. But you're not sure they can play the 3-4? But, you're sure that Jordan can? Because he did it in the Pac-10?

If there is a position on the d-line with ?'s, it's NT. I guess the perfect draft world for me would for the Texans to move down in the 1st, pickup an extra 2nd, and come away with a NT, OLB, & CB. But Williams & Smith are two of your 4 best players on defense. It's ludicrous to spend a 1st round pick to back them up. Even Smithiak knows this.

Mario and Smith are proven 4-3 DEs. They were two of the best 4 players on D when we played a 4-3. Smith has played some 3-4 DE before and did ok there. Outside of a very good playoff run he was not a superstar DE. You are assuming this will be an easy transition for the two of them. When you ask a player to player different position/role on the team you have no idea how they will adjust. They may make the transition seamlessly or be completely lost. I mean look at Haynesworth. He was a dominant 4-3 DT who DC tried to convert into a NT. He couldnt/wouldn't make that change.
When you move a player to a new position, you don't know how they will do.

Well Rick Smith has proven over & over again he will reach to address need, bypassing BPA so yeah, I guess, he got us on that one Awtysst. But this isn't WHAT THE TEXANS WILL DO, ITS MEARLY WHAT WE FEEL THEY SHOULD DO!

Agreed. Smith like most NFL GMs will reach for need rather than go BPA. However, good teams more often than not use their premium picks on BPA. At the end of the day, we made a mock based on how we would draft. And I have a feeling our picks will be better than what the Texans themselves come up with!

beerlover
04-13-2011, 06:13 PM
Can't we get along? One of my favorite Beers is brewed by Stone in San Diego (brewers of the legednary Arrogant Bastard) but there is another one I prefer it's a blend of three of their best, 1/3 Arrogant Bastard/1/3 Oak Aged Bastard/1/3 Double Bastard, called - Lucky Bastard, yeah that's right!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jLfUyEuMrHk/TRF-vjSStwI/AAAAAAAADHw/f8Qd43OnBmU/s1600/Stone%2BLucky%2BBastard%2BAle.png

steelbtexan
04-13-2011, 06:36 PM
This House has more talent than McCain....

http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/house.jpg

Yes, if you were wondering I drink deeply of McCain Haterade.


Cant rep you

But can I have a gulp of that haterade.

LOL

beerlover
04-13-2011, 07:12 PM
Cant rep you

But can I have a gulp of that haterade.

LOL

would enjoy that, unfortuantley Lucky Bastard is a fleeting, rare limited edition elixer, it comes into this market sparingly, what I had now is gone. However I could subject you to some home brew? have just kegged some IPA which should be ready by draft to enjoy. always do Oak Aged Versions too (just had wood chips soaked in expensive single malt scotch). :toast2:

SAMURAITEXAN
04-13-2011, 09:22 PM
The whole mock draft thing is very informative and interesting how other people evaluate the players. Especially, I ain't draft expert and not familiar enough about college players to make my own mock. A little knowledge that I have on college players, I kinda look into their profile and highlights on youtube to see how they play and decide which of the players may fit our scheme and needs. But just doing this is very time consuming and no way I can evaluate and gather enough info to make my own mock so, my respect to you and other mock draft experts.

I would like for us to draft OLB and CB in early rounds. In your opinion, who would be the candidates for the 1-3 rds prospects? And SS prospects in the mid to later rds?

I would appreciate your help as there's too many prospects to look into and this would help great deal in focusing positions that I am interested in.

Go Texans!!!

kiwitexansfan
04-13-2011, 09:25 PM
Samurai, I would highly recommend participation in the group mock that happens every year here on TT.

I start those with very limited knowledge of the draft outside of Nebraska and teams that have played Nebraska but by the end of them I have knowledge of and opinions on players going into the 6th and 7th rounds.

It is heaps of fun too.

SAMURAITEXAN
04-13-2011, 09:53 PM
Samurai, I would highly recommend participation in the group mock that happens every year here on TT.

I start those with very limited knowledge of the draft outside of Nebraska and teams that have played Nebraska but by the end of them I have knowledge of and opinions on players going into the 6th and 7th rounds.

It is heaps of fun too.

Thank you for your comment Kiwi. I would if have enough time but, I am old (about 2/3rd of my body already in a coffin) and don't have enough gas left in my tank to do mock. (Heck, I don't have enough gas left to go after young ladies! I won't because I am happily married but you know what I mean) Besides, I enjoy reading mock draft on Texanstalk.com because people here are very knowledgeable on our needs.

Go Texans!!!

drs23
04-18-2011, 08:13 PM
Different people use different rating systems. Some people use actual play, others use play + projection, others use strict projection. Prince is a great prospect, no doubt about it, but in my opinion Jordan is a bit ahead of him. Jordan is a well rounded 3-4 DE who can rush, knock down balls, plays the run hard, and even can drop into coverage. Is he perfect, no. But he reminds me of a young Shaun Ellis. Shaun Ellis is the type of DE we could use. Is Smith a 3-4 DE starter? Maybe. Is Marrio? I don't know. I do know that this guy can play 3-4 DE since he did it at a very high level for 3 years already.

I would say 75-85% of my prognostication is based on actual play.
I think of the Combine and Prodays as a way to measure maturity. It is a mistake to elevate someone based on projecting off combine numbers. If you do, you end up with a Vernon Ghoslten most of the time.

A lot of teams screw up in drafting becuase they don't go for the football player, they go for the weight room/combine/pro day guy. A guy who played well 3 years plus in college is more likely to have a solid to good NFL career than a 1 year wonder with awesome projectibles will have of a great NFL career. While the one year wonder may have a better ceiling, they tend to be high risk high reward. The great teams don't take high risk high reward players, they draft good football players. That is my philosophy. Draft the best football player available to you. And to me, Jordan is that guy.

I would also remind you of a situation in 2007. We pretty much said we needed a DT and reached on Okoye. Some of us here wanted Patrick Willis, but others told us that we had Demeco already, so we didn't need Patrick. Others wanted Revis, but we were told we already had Dunta, so we didn't need Revis. What we needed was a disruptive DT to compliment Mario. Well, we reached and blew it. Always take the BPA and then figure out how to get the best players on the field. If your problem is having to sit good players for better players, you have a great problem.

Someday, hopefully the Texans will have that problem.

Thank you. Well said.