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Shaft75
04-07-2011, 05:22 PM
Dareus @ 1?

And the Texans taking Julio? :toropalm:

We love you here at TT LZ, but you need to get off the meds!

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2011, 05:42 PM
Dareus is the player I would take #1.

If Jones is there at 11 I would seriously think hard and long about taking him.

Maybe, LZ and I are on the same meds though.

TexansSeminole
04-07-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm also on those meds.

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2011, 05:49 PM
Brooks Reed in the second, is all good to me too.

VTexan
04-07-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't see anything wrong with Julio at 11.

Corrosion
04-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Dareus is the player I would take #1.

If Jones is there at 11 I would seriously think hard and long about taking him.

Maybe, LZ and I are on the same meds though.

With the team looking for starter material at at FS , SS , CB , OLB , and NT (possibly ILB) on the defensive side of the ball , WR is a luxury pick this team just cant afford.

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2011, 06:25 PM
With the team looking for starter material at at FS , SS , CB , OLB , and NT (possibly ILB) on the defensive side of the ball , WR is a luxury pick this team just cant afford.

You don't think Jones would have a chance to start and add another dimension to an already potent offense.

There is no safety worth a first rounder and that is our biggest need. Our CB should be better for a year more experience and a good DC.

You don't pass on a great talent for need in the 1st, that is how you end up mediocre.

TexCanada
04-07-2011, 06:43 PM
Brooks Reed in the second, is all good to me too.

I'd be thrilled if we got Jones in the first and Reed in the second. That would be two impact players for us that would likely start from day 1.

Dutchrudder
04-07-2011, 06:53 PM
I don't trust any of the guys that will be there @11. I hope they trade back and get another 2nd and a 3-5th.

steelbtexan
04-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Jones would have a bigger impact on this team than anybody not named Peterson, Miller or Dareus.

Corrosion
04-07-2011, 07:49 PM
I don't trust any of the guys that will be there @11. I hope they trade back and get another 2nd and a 3-5th.

Me too , in an ideal situation they could move back to 17-19 and picking up a high second rounder as compensation.

They could probably address NT with Taylor with the 1st FS with Williams , Moore or McDaniel and OLB with Justin Houston , Bruce Carter or Akeem Ayers with the two seconds.

TimeKiller
04-07-2011, 08:11 PM
I like the pick for two reasons...

1- Julio Jones would make this offense unstoppable. You cannot cover AJ, Julio Jones and Arian Foster at the same time. Matt Schaub would throw for 5,000 yards. Greatest show on Earth.

2- It would send a message to the defense. You don't need another top pick. You guys just need to play better. Mario needs to be dominant, so that ESPN couldn't even ignore it. Brian Cushing needs to be dropkicking offensive lineman again, charging with abandon again. Ryans needs to be the ultimate clean up man. AMOBI OKOYE needs to do SOMETHING. "Tying up blockers" aka GETTING BLOCKED all day does nothing. Congratulations on your charitable efforts but IT IS TIME TO PLAY FOOTBALL. Kareem Jackson, holy hell...you've set the bar so low if you had a completely average season it would be a divine miracle. Now you have a DC who absolutely has a track record of successful defenses. Needs won't be neglected throughout the draft but for the love of sweet, merciful Satan the offense has made chicken salad out of guys like Myers, Winston, Walter, Anderson, Jones, undrafted running backs, mid round TEs and multiple OCs. Give the offense a boost it deserves.

Lucky
04-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had two 1000 yard receivers?
A: One (2006 Colts).

Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had a top 10 defense?
A: Seven.

Julio Jones is a luxury on a team that has a top 10 offense, but one of the very worst defenses in the league. If the Texans ever want to become champions on the field rather than fantasy stat sheets, this defense must improve. Hoping that it will improve will not work.

This draft belongs to Wade Philips. I don't know if he deserves it. But, I know Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith don't deserve it. If Wade Phillips thinks he can improve this defense with Julio Jones, then they should pick him. Maybe he can rush the passer or cover a receiver. Or maybe they should let Wade draft the defensive player he thinks can make the biggest impact on what has been a horrific unit.

Find a draft in the history of drafts where a good pass rusher or corner could not be found at pick #11 or later. Don't waste your time, you can't. History says that there will be a defender available that can help this defense. It is incumbent on the Texans to find that player. For Wade Phillips to find that player. He doesn't deserve that pressure. But, thanks to the previous efforts of Kubiak and Smith, he's got it.

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2011, 09:44 PM
Find a draft in the history of drafts where a good pass rusher or corner could not be found at pick #11 or later. Don't waste your time, you can't. History says that there will be a defender available that can help this defense.

In hindsight that is probably the case but at 11 in the context of that moment in time there are times when there is not perceived value at 11.

The Pencil Neck
04-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Even though I think it's absolutely the wrong thing to do... I can talk myself into the Julio Jones pick.

If you believe in the Best Player Available philosophy and if Julio Jones is there, he's probably your guy unless one of the great defensive prospects drops as well.

Personally, I think you have to look at what your team is missing as well as the talent of the players on the board. Without being able to see which of our defensive holes are filled via FA with high caliber signings, I think our defensive holes are too great to ignore in the first round. So you pick the guy you want most for the defense and screw it if people think it's a reach.

But if they decide to go BPA and take Julio Jones, I'll only be mad for a few minutes before I get on board with it.

El Tejano
04-08-2011, 07:46 AM
Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had two 1000 yard receivers?
A: One (2006 Colts).

Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had a top 10 defense?
A: Seven.

Julio Jones is a luxury on a team that has a top 10 offense, but one of the very worst defenses in the league. If the Texans ever want to become champions on the field rather than fantasy stat sheets, this defense must improve. Hoping that it will improve will not work.

This draft belongs to Wade Philips. I don't know if he deserves it. But, I know Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith don't deserve it. If Wade Phillips thinks he can improve this defense with Julio Jones, then they should pick him. Maybe he can rush the passer or cover a receiver. Or maybe they should let Wade draft the defensive player he thinks can make the biggest impact on what has been a horrific unit.

Find a draft in the history of drafts where a good pass rusher or corner could not be found at pick #11 or later. Don't waste your time, you can't. History says that there will be a defender available that can help this defense. It is incumbent on the Texans to find that player. For Wade Phillips to find that player. He doesn't deserve that pressure. But, thanks to the previous efforts of Kubiak and Smith, he's got it.

The only reason the St Louis Rams MAY not've had two 1,000 yard receivers is because they had multiple receivers that could make plays and a really good running back that could catch the football too.

Our offense doesn't have alot of depth at the WR position. In fact you could say that if Andre doesn't get hurt in our first 8-8 season, there's a chance we win 10 games. We were pretty lucky to go 8-8 because Andre Davis had a career year that year and Kevin Walter suprised everyone. Now, Kevin Walter isn't catching as many passes and Andre Davis is long gone. We have or may lose Jacoby Jones and then after that you got David Anderson, Trendon Holliday, and the dude from Pitt whose name I forget at the moment because he can't get on the field for some reason.

We are a top 10 offense but how do we rank when AJ messes up that ankle again? Our defense isn't going to to turn top 10 overnight because of some drafted rookie in the 1st round. It happens but not all the time and especially to a Houston Sports Franchise.

I'm not against not picking Jones for a really good defensive pick, but I'm not ignoring a WR that outperformed during the season, and at the combine while having an injured foot.

BigBull17
04-08-2011, 09:09 AM
With the team looking for starter material at at FS , SS , CB , OLB , and NT (possibly ILB) on the defensive side of the ball , WR is a luxury pick this team just cant afford.

Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had two 1000 yard receivers?
A: One (2006 Colts).

Q: In the past 10 years, how many Super Bowl Champions had a top 10 defense?
A: Seven.

Julio Jones is a luxury on a team that has a top 10 offense, but one of the very worst defenses in the league. If the Texans ever want to become champions on the field rather than fantasy stat sheets, this defense must improve. Hoping that it will improve will not work.

This draft belongs to Wade Philips. I don't know if he deserves it. But, I know Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith don't deserve it. If Wade Phillips thinks he can improve this defense with Julio Jones, then they should pick him. Maybe he can rush the passer or cover a receiver. Or maybe they should let Wade draft the defensive player he thinks can make the biggest impact on what has been a horrific unit.

Find a draft in the history of drafts where a good pass rusher or corner could not be found at pick #11 or later. Don't waste your time, you can't. History says that there will be a defender available that can help this defense. It is incumbent on the Texans to find that player. For Wade Phillips to find that player. He doesn't deserve that pressure. But, thanks to the previous efforts of Kubiak and Smith, he's got it.

This offense with a second competent receiver is a very scary thing. AJ can't do it all for ever. He needs a guy who wont drop the rock or can't get open. I agree we need D help, but you can't take substandard players in the top half of the draft and expect to get better. If JJ is on the board, and a trade down partner is not there, take him.

IDEXAN
04-08-2011, 09:22 AM
If for no other reason than it would be a PR fiasco if the Texans used their top pick on a receiver, they aren't gonna go offense in the first round. And I'm not even saying it wouldn't be the smartest move, which it could be ?

Blake
04-08-2011, 09:39 AM
#1 I am fine with Darius @ 1.
#2 Just say no to JJ at 11.

If we do not take a defender #11 or trade back I am going to be one mad son of a gun. Taking JJ #11 forces us to take Reed in round 2 which causes us to miss out on Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA, or Martez Wilson. I know there are some Reed fans here, but I am not one of them.

Also I dont see the Cards passing on Gabbert.

Mr teX
04-08-2011, 09:40 AM
Even though I think it's absolutely the wrong thing to do... I can talk myself into the Julio Jones pick.

If you believe in the Best Player Available philosophy and if Julio Jones is there, he's probably your guy unless one of the great defensive prospects drops as well.

Personally, I think you have to look at what your team is missing as well as the talent of the players on the board. Without being able to see which of our defensive holes are filled via FA with high caliber signings, I think our defensive holes are too great to ignore in the first round. So you pick the guy you want most for the defense and screw it if people think it's a reach.

But if they decide to go BPA and take Julio Jones, I'll only be mad for a few minutes before I get on board with it.

This would be my reaction almost to the t.

Ole Miss Texan
04-08-2011, 10:29 AM
I could see Dareus going #1. He's probably my favorite in the draft. Carolina has to be smitten with a QB and believe said QB is going to be the Franchise signal caller in order to take one #1 overall - you don't look for a marginal upgrade at that position. Dareus is arguably the best player in the draft.

Julio Jones on our team would be amazing. We'd have some great weopons with Andre, Julio, Daniels and Foster. Jacoby and Walter would see snaps too. Julio fits the type of WR Kubiak likes and reminds me a lot of AJ.

As much has been said about our Offense, we're not elite by any means. Sure we get a lot of yardage but will people please stop using that as the measuring stick?? We're not a top 3 offense in the league... not with our lack of TDs.

We're barely cracking the Top 10 in scoring offense. And on top of that, we're middle of the pack in receiving TDs. Julio would give us another weapon, particularly in the Red Zone for scoring opportunities.

I'd love Julio and Brooks. But I don't think Reed lasts to our selection. I think he'd be an excellent excellent OLB for us and would support us trading up with NE at 28 if he's still available.

Lucky
04-08-2011, 06:33 PM
I agree we need D help, but you can't take substandard players in the top half of the draft and expect to get better.
First, thanks for agreeing with me that the Texans defense needs help. I thought I was all alone on that in this thread. I agree with you that the Texans can't take substandard players (Amobi Okoye, Kareem Jackson) in the 1st round. What I disagree with is that there will only be substandard defensive players available with the 11th selection in the 2011 draft. That Julio Jones is head and shoulders above any defensive player that might be available is a myth created by draft gurus and draftniks.

Rey
04-08-2011, 06:44 PM
I've said this before, But if I am the Texans I would really think about trading up this year. Grab an elite defensive talent.

I don't care if we have to give up a second/third/ or fourth round pick and/or a couple players to do so. The Texans need an impact player on defense.

Filling our holes with a bunch of 2nd-4th round picks doesn't excite me at all. Could you imagine starting a rookie at corner, maybe NT, OLB, AND one or two of the safety spots? That doesn't seem like the right solution IMHO.

I'm more inclined to jump up for a stud (coughVonMillercough), Move Quinn to FS and draft a mid round corner prospect. I am actually ok with Nolan as SS and Quinn at FS. I think they would be a better tandem than what we had last year.

As for corner...that likely isn't going to get "fixed" with a player in the draft anyways. I don't think Kareem is as bad as he looked last year and I think Jason Allen could be good depth/competition there. If there is a FA I would loot at NT and CB. We wouldn't NEED spectacular players there, just solid ones who could get the job done.

I honestly think that the defense will be improved under Wade regardless. But picking one of these second or third tier OLB prospects and trying to drafting a couple DB prospects in the 2nd/3rd round just doesn't excite me at all.


As far as Julio goes, I'd take him if he was on the board at 11 and none of the top defensive prospects fell to us.

I can't say it enough, but none of these second tier OLB prospects excites me as being our pick at 11. I think we'd be better served by taking a potential impact player.

Corrosion
04-08-2011, 06:56 PM
@ Rey - I wouldnt mind seeing them move up this year. Not one bit.

I'd package this years #11 pick and next years #1 (and maybe another pick) to move up to #3 and get Von Miller.

Dont want to give up next years #1? Why not , both coach and GM are on the hotseat. Its win now or else. They wont be here to deal with next years draft if they dont get better on that side of the ball in a hurry. If ever there was a time for a staff to mortgage the future , this is it.

I dont see one of the elite defensive talents being available at #11 unless by some miracle two QB's , two WR's and an OT are taken ahead of them. I just cant see that happening with this crop of players.

The other scenario I wouldnt mind is moving back to around 17 or so getting a top half of the second round pick as compensation. Then taking Taylor at DT , one of the top ranked safety's and an OLB with the three picks in the first two rounds.

Rey
04-08-2011, 07:05 PM
The other scenario I wouldnt mind is moving back to around 17 or so getting a top half of the second round pick as compensation. Then taking Taylor at DT , one of the top ranked safety's and an OLB with the three picks in the first two rounds.

I would be o.k with that scenario. I would not be thrilled about the upcoming season, but I'd hope those players would bode well for our future plans.

I'm just not thrilled with relying on a mid-late first rounder and a bunch of mid rd rookies to come in and be counted on as starters...especially with the shortned off-season...

I think moves like that work for the Pats because they already have established talent and a good coaching staff on both sides of the ball. There is not one single player on our defense last year that showed up game in and game out. Not one.

We need someone to be a stud and make a tangible impact in a great majority of the games...

Now I'm not saying that a player like that can't be found at 11 or in the second or third round...What I'm saying is that I'm sold on Miller. Of course it's just my opinion, but I think that's the way to go. We need a stud, and I think he'd make our defense a lot better...

drs23
04-08-2011, 07:22 PM
I've said this before, But if I am the Texans I would really think about trading up this year. Grab an elite defensive talent.

I don't care if we have to give up a second/third/ or fourth round pick and/or a couple players to do so. The Texans need an impact player on defense.

Filling our holes with a bunch of 2nd-4th round picks doesn't excite me at all. Could you imagine starting a rookie at corner, maybe NT, OLB, AND one or two of the safety spots? That doesn't seem like the right solution IMHO.

I'm more inclined to jump up for a stud (coughVonMillercough), Move Quinn to FS and draft a mid round corner prospect. I am actually ok with Nolan as SS and Quinn at FS. I think they would be a better tandem than what we had last year.

As for corner...that likely isn't going to get "fixed" with a player in the draft anyways. I don't think Kareem is as bad as he looked last year and I think Jason Allen could be good depth/competition there. If there is a FA I would loot at NT and CB. We wouldn't NEED spectacular players there, just solid ones who could get the job done.

I honestly think that the defense will be improved under Wade regardless. But picking one of these second or third tier OLB prospects and trying to drafting a couple DB prospects in the 2nd/3rd round just doesn't excite me at all.


As far as Julio goes, I'd take him if he was on the board at 11 and none of the top defensive prospects fell to us.

I can't say it enough, but none of these second tier OLB prospects excites me as being our pick at 11. I think we'd be better served by taking a potential impact player.

I bet that's exactly what you'll see fielded. JMHO

kiwitexansfan
04-08-2011, 07:26 PM
I'd package this years #11 pick and next years #1 (and maybe another pick) to move up to #3 and get Von Miller.


I would not want to give up the house for Miller. I don't think he is a sure thing.

If Dareus starts to fall I would be all over it like white on rice.

Corrosion
04-08-2011, 07:56 PM
I would be o.k with that scenario. I would not be thrilled about the upcoming season, but I'd hope those players would bode well for our future plans.

I'm just not thrilled with relying on a mid-late first rounder and a bunch of mid rd rookies to come in and be counted on as starters...especially with the shortned off-season...

I think moves like that work for the Pats because they already have established talent and a good coaching staff on both sides of the ball. There is not one single player on our defense last year that showed up game in and game out. Not one.

We need someone to be a stud and make a tangible impact in a great majority of the games...

Now I'm not saying that a player like that can't be found at 11 or in the second or third round...What I'm saying is that I'm sold on Miller. Of course it's just my opinion, but I think that's the way to go. We need a stud, and I think he'd make our defense a lot better...

I am too .... no two ways about it. If I had the #1 overall I would probably use it on him crazy as it might be.

I would not want to give up the house for Miller. I don't think he is a sure thing.

If Dareus starts to fall I would be all over it like white on rice.

Miller is the guy in this draft who I think would make the biggest impact on the defense as a whole. He and Peterson are my top two players at any position in this draft - Its debatable as to who's better between the top two DT's - Fairley and Dareus. Phil Taylor may be as good as either of them and could be had much later in the round.

Peterson and Miller grade out better than any other players at their respective positions with Peterson being at the top of my board followed by Miller and Bowers.


As for giving up the house , we have to consider one thing and I explained it in my last post.

If they dont win this coming season - they wont be here to worry about the next draft. Its win or go home for Smith and Kubiak , tell me why they wouldnt give up a future pick.

beerlover
04-08-2011, 08:34 PM
I am too .... no two ways about it. If I had the #1 overall I would probably use it on him crazy as it might be.



Miller is the guy in this draft who I think would make the biggest impact on the defense as a whole. He and Peterson are my top two players at any position in this draft - Its debatable as to who's better between the top two DT's - Fairley and Dareus. Phil Taylor may be as good as either of them and could be had much later in the round.

Peterson and Miller grade out better than any other players at their respective positions with Peterson being at the top of my board followed by Miller and Bowers.


As for giving up the house , we have to consider one thing and I explained it in my last post.

If they dont win this coming season - they wont be here to worry about the next draft. Its win or go home for Smith and Kubiak , tell me why they wouldnt give up a future pick.

refresh me, what did Texas do last season

Corrosion
04-08-2011, 09:32 PM
refresh me, what did Texas do last season

What does Texas have to do with this ? ..... but yeah , they had their worst season since (without looking) Mack Brown became coach.

Rey
04-09-2011, 11:12 AM
I bet that's exactly what you'll see fielded. JMHO

I would not be shocked or terribly upset with that combo. But I'd like for them to bring in someone solid to push both of them if not take the spot.

Lots of holes to fill on defense. We are not going to get 5-7 new players (via FA or the draft) to come in and start.

I think the trade down stuff is nice when you have established talent already, but on defense we don't have much of that. We need difference makers in an awful way. Relying on a bunch of rookies to come in and start for us in a year with a shortened off-season just screams FAIL to me.

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2011, 09:48 AM
Most feel that an OLB like Von Miller would would be the highest impact player for our D. I'd love to have him. However, I feel that the highest long term impact player we need is a DT. I'm not at all convinced that we have that large strong fast DT or the smaller, uber-strong and very fast DT characteristic of the successful Wade 3-4 D's.

As has already been stated, I would rather see Jones at #11 than another plug and play and hope player.

b0ng
04-10-2011, 12:35 PM
Bowers, Watt, or Jordan would all make me less upset at the draft pick than Julio Jones. Unless Julio Jones is also going to call offensive plays correctly I don't think he fixes what is fundamentally wrong with the offense.

Here's the quick and easy way to talk yourself out of Julio Jones:

"Did you see our defense last year?"

Corrosion
04-10-2011, 03:58 PM
Bowers, Watt, or Jordan would all make me less upset at the draft pick than Julio Jones. Unless Julio Jones is also going to call offensive plays correctly I don't think he fixes what is fundamentally wrong with the offense.

Here's the quick and easy way to talk yourself out of Julio Jones:

"Did you see our defense last year?"

No I didnt , did they ever take the field , I thought I saw one fall down on the sidelines tho. :rake:

steelbtexan
04-10-2011, 05:32 PM
Most feel that an OLB like Von Miller would would be the highest impact player for our D. I'd love to have him. However, I feel that the highest long term impact player we need is a DT. I'm not at all convinced that we have that large strong fast DT or the smaller, uber-strong and very fast DT characteristic of the successful Wade 3-4 D's.

As has already been stated, I would rather see Jones at #11 than another plug and play and hope player.

I just hope the Texans can find a way to add these guys to their team and if they stay put /trade up/down or whatever it doesn't matter to me.

Brooks Reed/ Kendrick Ellis/Davon House/Greg Little, all of these guys have what the Texans as a team have been lacking. (Speed)

I would be very happy fan and if the Texans are active and smart (LOL) this could happen. Or some version of this draft.

DocBar
04-16-2011, 11:29 AM
@ Rey - I wouldnt mind seeing them move up this year. Not one bit.

I'd package this years #11 pick and next years #1 (and maybe another pick) to move up to #3 and get Von Miller.

Dont want to give up next years #1? Why not , both coach and GM are on the hotseat. Its win now or else. They wont be here to deal with next years draft if they dont get better on that side of the ball in a hurry. If ever there was a time for a staff to mortgage the future , this is it.

I dont see one of the elite defensive talents being available at #11 unless by some miracle two QB's , two WR's and an OT are taken ahead of them. I just cant see that happening with this crop of players.

The other scenario I wouldnt mind is moving back to around 17 or so getting a top half of the second round pick as compensation. Then taking Taylor at DT , one of the top ranked safety's and an OLB with the three picks in the first two rounds.I would do that and pray that Brandon Harris is there in the 2nd. He has all the tools to be a very good CB.

YoungTexanFan
04-17-2011, 02:48 PM
I dont see one of the elite defensive talents being available at #11 unless by some miracle two QB's , two WR's and an OT are taken ahead of them. I just cant see that happening with this crop of players.


Aside from the fact that I disagree entirely with your point, this scenario isn't all that unlikely. Newton and Gabbert will be top 10 picks. AJ Green and Julio Jones are both likely top 10 picks. One of the OT's from USC and Colorado have a good shot to sneak into the top 10 as well as there is always a premium on OT's (see: Duane Brown and our reach for him because he was the last of the second tier OT's left)

DocBar
04-17-2011, 03:30 PM
This is a very deep draft in our area's of need. If we can't knock a couple out of the park, it's time for a radical regime change. And I've been a Kubiak supporter!

Playoffs
04-18-2011, 01:21 PM
Based on some intel I've received during the last three weeks, I'm going to take a shot at posting odds on who I think is the most likely Houston Texans at pick No. 11.

Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri - 3:1
Aldon Smith is said to be the target of the Texans as they like his edge pass rushing ability. Smith is unlikely to go in the first 10 picks so he should be at 11 for the Texans if they are truly interested in him.

Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 7:1

Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska - 4:1
Amukamara fits a need for the Texans and could easily be there at 11, but something tells me the Texans are going to want to add a veteran at CB as their priority and then add to the position in rounds 2 or 3.

Robert Quinn, OLB, North Carolina - 5:1
I personally believe that Quinn is a better pass rushing prospect than Aldon Smith, but my guess is that most NFL teams agree which is why I think he'll likely go in the top 10. If not, it will be interesting to see if the Texans prefer Quinn to Smith.

J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin - 5:1

Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal - 5:1

Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 9:1

Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 10:1

http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/texansnfl/

gary
04-18-2011, 01:59 PM
I'd love to have Watt or Bowers.

Playoffs
04-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Love Aldon's interview: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81f1a52f/Game-Changers-DL-The-interview

More than Prince's, who seemed a little wide-eyed -- and much more than Quinn's where I felt like something was just missing.


It's just interview, I know, but I think you can see a lot in those.

TexCanada
04-18-2011, 02:20 PM
Love Aldon's interview: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81f1a52f/Game-Changers-DL-The-interview

More than Prince's, who seemed a little wide-eyed -- and much more than Quinn's where I felt like something was just missing.


It's just interview, I know, but I think you can see a lot in those.

I think interviews are extremely important. I'd be very happy if we picked Smith at 11.

Corrosion
04-18-2011, 02:27 PM
I'd love to have Watt or Bowers.

Why ? So he can sit on the sidelines while MW and A.Smith get the majority of the snaps ?

DE is the worst pick this team could make in terms of instant impact out of a player. This front office crew is playing for NOW. If they dont produce a playoff team (and maybe one that makes a deep run) they will be gone.

The positions that will have the greatest impact on this teams playoff chances are OLB , NT ,CB and both S spots.

There isnt a safety worthy of an early first rounder.

I dont think the front office would be willing to hang their jobs on the line with a kiddie corps secondary again .... Unless they could get Peterson and I have my doubts that they would take that risk with him either.

That leaves NT and OLB which I think are the most likely positions to be filled with their first rounder - Unless they move out of that #11 spot. Even moving out of #11 , its highly likely that they target a player at one of those two spots.

Moving up - Miller or Fairley.

Moving back - Taylor , Paea , Houston , Ayers.

Ole Miss Texan
04-18-2011, 02:42 PM
Why ? So he can sit on the sidelines while MW and A.Smith get the majority of the snaps ?

DE is the worst pick this team could make in terms of instant impact out of a player. This front office crew is playing for NOW. If they dont produce a playoff team (and maybe one that makes a deep run) they will be gone.

The positions that will have the greatest impact on this teams playoff chances are OLB , NT ,CB and both S spots.

There isnt a safety worthy of an early first rounder.

I dont think the front office would be willing to hang their jobs on the line with a kiddie corps secondary again .... Unless they could get Peterson and I have my doubts that they would take that risk with him either.

That leaves NT and OLB which I think are the most likely positions to be filled with their first rounder - Unless they move out of that #11 spot. Even moving out of #11 , its highly likely that they target a player at one of those two spots.

Moving up - Miller or Fairley.

Moving back - Taylor , Paea , Houston , Ayers.
While I agree with you regarding impact, I disagree on the term "starter" that a lot of people use. To me, it's not an either / or situation. Ideally, we take an OLB at 11 because he's the best player available, its' arguably our biggest need, and he would in all certainty start and impact from the first snap to the last.

But the process of elimination you just went through pigeon holes us into a corner. I'm not convinced that Phil Taylor or Stephen Paea would be a bigger impact THIS season and get more snaps than Cameron Jordan or JJ Watt. They'd still rotate with Mitchell and Cody.

Just looking at our needs and wanting a starter and then picking the best available at that spot omits a lot of players that could be better and potentially could make an even bigger impact even if not playing as much.

What if Kubiak still had AJ and Walter as our starting WRs but we drafted Julio Jones? Julio would see a ton of snaps even though he may not be deemed the "starter" his rookie season. Obviously that's a little different than DE but I would love a DL of Jordan-Smith-Mitchell-Mario and then Barwin as the Joker, on passing situations.

gary
04-18-2011, 02:43 PM
Why ? So he can sit on the sidelines while MW and A.Smith get the majority of the snaps ?

DE is the worst pick this team could make in terms of instant impact out of a player. This front office crew is playing for NOW. If they dont produce a playoff team (and maybe one that makes a deep run) they will be gone.

The positions that will have the greatest impact on this teams playoff chances are OLB , NT ,CB and both S spots.

There isnt a safety worthy of an early first rounder.

I dont think the front office would be willing to hang their jobs on the line with a kiddie corps secondary again .... Unless they could get Peterson and I have my doubts that they would take that risk with him either.

That leaves NT and OLB which I think are the most likely positions to be filled with their first rounder - Unless they move out of that #11 spot. Even moving out of #11 , its highly likely that they target a player at one of those two spots.

Moving up - Miller or Fairley.

Moving back - Taylor , Paea , Houston , Ayers.I not saying the Texans should draft a DE but I am going just off of talent and skill level and saying I'd like to have them. The trade of AS and MW might be an option too either one but whoever is drafted at 11 or a trade up should no doubt be opening day starter somewhere on the field.

bah007
04-18-2011, 04:25 PM
I'd love to have Watt or Bowers.

Bowers is a great athlete with tons of potential but I don't see where he would fit in a 34 defense. He is a classic 43 end.

bah007
04-18-2011, 04:30 PM
I would have no problem with us taking Cameron Jordan. As sad as it is, he would be one of our 11 best defensive players. Trust me, he would see the field plenty.

In this current age of football, a QB attempting 30-40 passes per game is the norm, not the exception. To defend this, a team must be able to rotate pass rushers to keep them fresh. Not only can Jordan play 5 tech, but he can rush the QB from that position. Which is rare.

gary
04-18-2011, 04:31 PM
Bowers is a great athlete with tons of potential but I don't see where he would fit in a 34 defense. He is a classic 43 end.
I think he could work out at least in the 3-4 though but better fit for the 4-3.

bah007
04-18-2011, 04:38 PM
I think he could work out at least in the 3-4 though but better fit for the 4-3.

Yea I'm not saying he would automatically fail miserably. I just think he would be like Mario, who doesn't really have a true position in a 34 defense. Those guys are just natural 43 ends.

Blake
04-19-2011, 11:07 AM
I think its very important to get to the QB this year. We can draft all the safties and corners we want, but without pressure on the QB it will be the same result.

I think the Texans should take Quinn since he is dropping. Then we can worry about NT or 5 teq in the 2nd.

VTexan
04-19-2011, 02:22 PM
Love Aldon's interview: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81f1a52f/Game-Changers-DL-The-interview

More than Prince's, who seemed a little wide-eyed -- and much more than Quinn's where I felt like something was just missing.


It's just interview, I know, but I think you can see a lot in those.


The missed fist bump at the end was priceless.

J_R
04-20-2011, 08:20 PM
Based on some intel I've received during the last three weeks, I'm going to take a shot at posting odds on who I think is the most likely Houston Texans at pick No. 11.

Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri - 3:1
Aldon Smith is said to be the target of the Texans as they like his edge pass rushing ability. Smith is unlikely to go in the first 10 picks so he should be at 11 for the Texans if they are truly interested in him.


http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/texansnfl/

@LanceZierlein (http://twitter.com/#!/LanceZierlein) Correct RT @walterfootball (http://twitter.com/walterfootball): Brian Baldinger: I think you can plug this in right now - Aldon Smith will be Wade Phillips' guy with 11th pick

badboy
04-21-2011, 03:05 PM
Dareus @ 1?

And the Texans taking Julio? :toropalm:

We love you here at TT LZ, but you need to get off the meds!I think you should ask LZ to loan you some of his meds. Both those players are franchise type players and you have to consider ant franchise player unless you already have a starter and Julio is better than Jacoby imo game one this season.

Playoffs
04-28-2011, 08:42 PM
LZ's final mock


1. Carolina -- Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
2. Denver -- Von Miller, OLB/DE, Texas A&M
3. Buffalo --Marcel Dareus, DT, Alabama
4. Cincinnati -- Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn
5. Arizona -- Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
6. Cleveland -- A.J. Green, WR, Georgia
7. San Francisco -- Julio Jones, WR, Alabama (projecting trade with Washington w/ Wash. taking Gabbert)
8. Tennessee -- Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
9. Dallas -- Tyron Smith, OT, USC
10. Washington -- Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
11. Houston -- J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin
12. Minnesota -- Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri
13. Detroit -- Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
14. St.Louis -- Corely Liuget, DT, Illinois
15. Miami -- Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida
16. Jacksonville -- Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue
17. New England --Cam Jordan, DE, Cal (will try and trade up to land Jordan)
18. San Diego -- Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina
19. NY Giants -- Anthony Castonzo, LT, Boston College
20. Tampa Bay -- Adrian Clayborn, DE/DT, Iowa
21. Kansas City -- Gabe Carimi, RT, Wisconsin
22. Indianapolis -- Muhammad Wilkerson, DE, Temple
23. Philadelphia -- Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
24. New Orleans --Nate Solder, LT, Colorado
25. Seattle -- Jake Locker, QB, Washington
26. Baltimore -- Danny Watkins, LG, Baylor
27. Atlanta -- Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pitt
28. New England -- Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
29. Chicago -- Derek Sherrod, LT, Mississippi State
30. 49'ers**trade** -- Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State (projected trade)
31. Pittsburgh -- Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
32. Green Bay -- Brooks Reed, OLB, Arizona