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erickwsmom
04-15-2005, 09:26 AM
From www.democratandchronicle.com

Texans a good opponent for QB Losman

(April 14, 2005) Kicking off with thoughts on the Buffalo Bills 2005 schedule:

The Houston Texans at Ralph Wilson Stadium Sept. 11 is a relatively soft spot for second-year Bills quarterback J.P. Losman's first NFL start. The Texans were 4-12 in their inaugural 2002 season, 5-11 in 2003 (including a 12-10 win in Buffalo) and 7-9 in 2004. They're getting better but still rate a notch below Buffalo.

A notch below BUFFALO???

blockhead83
04-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Makes sense to me. They look at us just how we look at them. No telling who will be the soft spot until the whistle blows.

blaise
04-15-2005, 09:45 AM
Well, that would technically be what Rochester thinks. The D&C is a Rochester paper. Not to split hairs.

Errant Hothy
04-15-2005, 09:46 AM
Remember last year when we all thought we'd go 2-0 out of the gate, cause we had a soft spot at the top of the schedule?

And wasn't Miami pretty confident two seasons back?

Reddevil63
04-15-2005, 09:50 AM
I could be mistaken, but arent we 2-0 against Buffalo?

WWJD
04-15-2005, 09:51 AM
Buffalo had a pretty good team last year plus it's a home game. I can see why people would think they have a advantage.

Fiddy
04-15-2005, 10:57 AM
I could be mistaken, but arent we 2-0 against Buffalo?No, we are 1-1. Loss the first year.

We are a notch below the Bills, still doesnt mean we cant win. We should be able to keep Losman in check but it's a good thing I got McGahee in my dynasty league because he is going to tear us up. It will take a few weeks for our new LBs to gel.

El Tejano
04-15-2005, 11:02 AM
I could be mistaken, but arent we 2-0 against Buffalo?

Buffalo beat us at home in our first year and we beat them on the road our second year.

As far as being a notch below than them. They were 8-8, we were 7-9. I would say that is about right. :cool:

Sarg01
04-15-2005, 11:35 AM
The Bills were a playoff caliber team last year. We were not. However, Bledsoe to Losman will be a big change for them that you would expect to (at least initially) take them in a downward direction.

Vinny
04-15-2005, 11:36 AM
Bills play tough defense and run the ball as well as any NFL team. If we can't stop the run right out of the gate we will start 0-1

El Tejano
04-15-2005, 11:50 AM
I am just glad we don't have to play them in Nov or Dec. That is when we will be really competing for our playoff spot.

Vinny
04-15-2005, 11:58 AM
The season is so short in football that you compete for the playoffs every week. Each game means something in football unlike in most other sports. That is one of the great reasons why the NFL regular season is so meaningful and dramatic each and every week.

TheOgre
04-15-2005, 12:10 PM
The Texans have to do a lot better at home against the AFC.

Hervoyel
04-15-2005, 12:32 PM
No, we are 1-1. Loss the first year.

Yeah, I remember that one. We were so close to being able to seal the deal there. Buffalo was expected to put it on us but the team played them tough until the end. I also remember it for a stupid, stupid Jay Foreman penalty that hurt us. We came close to being 2-0 against the Bills though.

El Tejano
04-15-2005, 01:01 PM
I also remember it for a stupid, stupid Jay Foreman penalty that hurt us.
And Capers really likes smart LBs like he mentioned when we signed Greenwood. :woot

canadiantexan
04-15-2005, 02:17 PM
I think it's good we play them week one with a rookie QB. Having said that we cannot take them for granted. The bills have one of the best D units in the league and probobly THE BEST young running back in the league. If we can stop the run and move the ball well forcing Losman to beat us i LIKE OUR CHANCES. As far as being a notch below Buffalo let's hope they truly believe that and we catch them by suprise(right Dallas and Miami).
Remember this is not quite the same Buffalo team as last year. With Bledsoe gone and Losman in their not as strong combined with the fact they have no 1st rounder I would say they have gotten a little worse this year and after the draft we will have gotten a little better!(hopefully)

Carr Bombed
04-15-2005, 02:41 PM
We are definitely not a notch below them. This is just a local sportswriter's homeristic view and optimisim of their new qb and pending season. They were on the brink of the payoffs last year and this year there throwing their new qb out there. Sounds kinda familiar doesn't it (Cincinatti). They will be taking a small step back, but in the long run it will work out for them. You also have to take in account the improvement our team has made. By the time this game takes place, it will be about 6 months since David suffured his last sack, so he shouldn't be ancy like he is sometimes. Last year he started off hot and was one of the highest rated qbs, especialy in the fourth. It just seemed as the season went on and after endless sacks he was knocked out of his rhythm, lost trust in his line, and had the deer in headlights look. The procussions of the sacks will be long faded by the time this game takes place.
Dunta isn't coming into this opener a rookie and coming off last year probably has as much confidence as any player on our team. Someone mentioned the inexperience of the lbs, but what about the experience gained by babin. He really started comming on towards the end of last year and he should be a big peice of the many blitz packages we will be throwing at this new qb. By no means am I checking this one off as a win, cause we have seen what a rookie qb can do (Big Ben), but if we are going to be a playoff team this year this is one of those games we have to win. With the crappy bye week they gave us this year it is really important we go in 2-0.

Vinny
04-15-2005, 02:46 PM
Buffalo has an elite NFL defense so they have at least one unit that is well above average. That is more than we can say. I think that puts them a notch higher than us. We are the clear underdog in that matchup.

gtexan02
04-15-2005, 02:54 PM
In this game, we are significant underdogs. They are at home on opening day. If the crowd is ever in a game, this one is it (besides playoff games). They have a super strong defense. They have a great running game. They have a very strong receiving core (2 great receivers). On the other hand, we have a strong receiver, a potentially strong running/passing game, and a fairly new defense. Yes we are very much underdogs, but at the same time, sometimes the underdog wins. Otherwise, SF and MIA would have been 0-16, you know?

Carr Bombed
04-15-2005, 02:59 PM
Buffalo has an elite NFL defense so they have at least one unit that is well above average. That is more than we can say. I think that puts them a notch higher than us. We are the clear underdog in that matchup.

They had one or the best defenses last year, but that always changes from year to year. Dallas had the best defense two seasons ago and they were horrible last year. Didn't Buffalo lose their NT to FA. They have a better defense on paper but we are more balanced then they will be. They have to focus on shuting down our running and passing game. We should and I say "should" with caution only have to worry with their running game. Also don't count out our defense. If you throw out that browns game we had the best defense in the league over a 3 game span.

Vinny
04-15-2005, 03:02 PM
They don't have to worry about our passing game if it is the same as last years, and their defense is very impressive. Our passing offense was absoutely horrible at the end of the year. I'm just not a big homer so I tell it like I see it. Right now, we are clear underdogs to a better unit. Things may change a bit...but not much until proven otherwise.

TheOgre
04-15-2005, 03:25 PM
I think the Bills line is better than it looks on paper. They gave up a lot of sacks, but part of that was because Bledsoe held the ball too long (sound familiar?). They also have been a good run blocking team. This team looks a lot like last year's Pittsburgh. The big question is the QB. Can Losman avoid losing games? He does have an ego and that could result in some forced plays. If he can be a game manager, then they could have a good season.

Sarg01
04-15-2005, 03:25 PM
No one's saying Buffalo's a cake walk. We're just saying that since we have to play them away, Week 1 with a "rookie" QB is a fairly good spot in the schedule to do it.

canadiantexan
04-15-2005, 03:28 PM
No one's saying Buffalo's a cake walk. We're just saying that since we have to play them away, Week 1 with a "rookie" QB is a fairly good spot in the schedule to do it.

Exactly I dont think anyone is thinking this will be an easy game but it is a game we could win .

Carr Bombed
04-15-2005, 03:38 PM
They don't have to worry about our passing game if it is the same as last years, and their defense is very impressive. Our passing offense was absoutely horrible at the end of the year. I'm just not a big homer so I tell it like I see it. Right now, we are clear underdogs to a better unit. Things may change a bit...but not much until proven otherwise.


I might be optimistic, but I'm not a big homer and I know what our flaws are, or should I say ? marks, because we don't know internaly what our coaching staff has done to address those needs and we haven't even been to the draft. You keep on bringing up stuff we did last year and so am I. At the beginning of last year when Carr had confidence and before he was gunshy we had one of the best passing teams in the league. You can call me a homer, but going into this year if were going to be taken seriously there are some game we HAVE to win and this is one of them. I just don't see us as clear underdogs to a better team. All yall keep saying is they got a better defense and thats it. Well, well balance teams win. Everybody always makes a big deal about the pats defense, but their offense probably won them more games last year by controling to clock. They're just as good offensively as they are defensively. We are just as good offensively as we are defensively, we may not be the best on both sides, but we are good enough to hurt you on both sides of the ball. We should be able to keep their offense off the field and our offense is good enough to put some points up on the board.

Vinny
04-15-2005, 03:42 PM
Our last five games last year. We only busted 200 passing yards once. Carr has only thrown for 3 + TD's in a game once (in 3 years). Until we prove otherwise, we have a weak passing offense.

PASSING
CP/AT YDS TD INT
D. Carr 12/25 157 0 2
D. Carr 16/21 167 1 1
D. Carr 13/29 220 1 0
D. Carr 14/20 139 1 2
D. Carr 15/25 114 1 0

D-ReK
04-15-2005, 03:47 PM
It's definitely bulletin board material for the team, but IMO if Losman plays at least average next year, the Bills have a good chance of being a playoff team...Hopefully he makes a few big mistakes in his first start and we capitalize...

Carr Bombed
04-15-2005, 04:09 PM
Our last five games last year. We only busted 200 passing yards once. Carr has only thrown for 3 + TD's in a game once (in 3 years). Until we prove otherwise, we have a weak passing offense.

PASSING
CP/AT YDS TD INT
D. Carr 12/25 157 0 2
D. Carr 16/21 167 1 1
D. Carr 13/29 220 1 0
D. Carr 14/20 139 1 2
D. Carr 15/25 114 1 0


Thats why I said at the BEGINNING of last season, since this game will be the first one of the year. Beleive it our not a season long sack fest takes its toll on a young qb.

Davids first 7 games

_______td ints yards pass. rt.
week#1 0 2 229 70.3
after the slow start to S.D.
week#2 2 1 313 104.2
week#3 1 1 233 80.9
week#4 1 0 228 108.6
week#5 3 0 372 116.4
week#6 1 1 266 92.8
week#8 1 0 276 109.4

This guy was on the brink of breaking out last year. The sacks finally caught up to him, you cannot ask a guy to take a beating like that throughout a whole season. Next year he will only be better and hopefully the oline as well.

Str8tupg42k1
04-15-2005, 04:46 PM
If our defense can pick off were we left off last year we have a 50/50 chance. I would try to give them different looks to try to confuse Losman. Send Dunta on a blitz package. Then hopefully if Carr Bomb is correct Carr should feel "rejunvinated" from all the sacks he took and come out the gates firing on all cylinders. A good dose of DD and pure execution should keep this good. To me it's gonna be a defensive game. I would set my mind on trying to give a season opener to Losman he will never forget.(Defense, and mentally wise, no injuries.)

blockhead83
04-15-2005, 04:47 PM
McGahee...Evans..Moulds, the bills have some nice weapons on offense. Like a few others have mentioned, if Losman comes out and makes a few rookie mistakes, it could turn the tables for us. On the flip side, we'll have to see how our D can perform and how quickly they will gel with our new look linebacking crew. I think we definitely have a good shot at the Bills, maybe 40-60, so we're not big underdogs. And I agree, if Carr can play like he did at the beginning of last season, and DD can avoid his early season fumblitis, we should have a good performance.

TEXANS84
04-15-2005, 05:15 PM
I'm kinda diggin' what St. Louis thinks:

St. Louis Rams Article (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/40468DECEEE05BF486256FE3006190C0?OpenDocument)

Carr Bombed
04-15-2005, 05:18 PM
Only way tony is comming off the bench is for mop up duty. I like it though

canadiantexan
04-15-2005, 05:21 PM
I'm kinda diggin' what St. Louis thinks:

St. Louis Rams Article (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/40468DECEEE05BF486256FE3006190C0?OpenDocument)

Sounds to me the guy knows what he is talking about(haha) I wonder why he thinks Banks will be in. Injury to Carr? please no!

TEXANS84
04-15-2005, 05:22 PM
Sounds to me the guy knows what he is talking about(haha) I wonder why he thinks Banks will be in. Injury to Carr? please no!

From the way he wrote it...it looks like Banks is coming off the bench for a blowout win.

D-ReK
04-15-2005, 05:29 PM
Nov. 27 at Houston: Rams lose. Old friend Tony Banks will come off the Texans' bench to lead his team to a huge victory. In fact, this victory will put the Houston playoff bid over the top.

Now that's my kind of writer :thumbup

Oilers/Texans
04-15-2005, 06:04 PM
I was glad to see the cruddy Bills on the schedule for week one of the season. It will be JP's first start at QB so that might help greatly. I think Buffalo really messed up by getting rid of Bledsoe. Buffalo loss is Dallas gain.

Texansbacker
04-15-2005, 08:33 PM
Cracks me up every time I hear everyone wanting to "be realistic" and ranking teams based on the previous year and by their collective talent.

The margin of victory in the NFL is very small. Although you can get a pretty good read on a team based on past performance and through analysis of their current roster, you have to be a soothsayer to accurately determine who will win a game or season. After all, once you factor in emotions, health, atmosphere, weather, etc, etc., some funny things can happen in football.

Besides that, if I looked at The Mighty Buffaloes record last year which assumedly places the Texans as great underdogs this year, I am thoroughly unimpressed.

Last year:
Buffalo was swept by the Patriots handily.
They split with the Jets.
Lost to the Raiders (Texans' beat the Raiders) Lost to Jacksonville(oh, that is right the Texans swept the Jags), and lost to both the Ravens and Steelers.
Who did they beat? Cardinals, Miami twice (Impressed!), San Fran(WOW!), Cleveland(Powerhouse), Cincy, St. Louis and Seattle. Impressive!

That said, what is in the past is in the past. My belief is that the Texans will be greatly improved with added experience for the first year players along with the maturation of Carr. I also believe that Capers will have the team mentally ready to play.

Last year the Texans were "being realistic" when they thought they should easily defeat the Chargers but didn't. Who saw the emergence of Antonio Gates and Drew Brees? I bet some of the Charger fans did! But certainly not the ones who were being "realistic" and pessimistic.

The Texans are not a notch below the Bills. If they beat the Texans then we can talk about notches. Until then, Texans "fans" can replace the "realistic" pessimism with "realistic" optimism.

TexansTrueFan
04-15-2005, 11:53 PM
No, we are 1-1. Loss the first year.

We are a notch below the Bills, still doesnt mean we cant win. We should be able to keep Losman in check but it's a good thing I got McGahee in my dynasty league because he is going to tear us up. It will take a few weeks for our new LBs to gel.


fiddy arent ya the one who told me there was "no way Davis would rush for 100 yards against jacksonville" when i was saying he would. So i bet ya now that McGahee doesnt get over 75 yards on us.

And people since it is a local paper i suspect they would be taking buffalos side, the same as the houston chronicle does for us !

TKO's Comin' for ya!
04-16-2005, 08:57 AM
Ralph Wilson Stadium is going to be rockin on opening day! You guys have no idea how pumped up that defense is going to be... I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even make it off your half of the field!!!

Okay enough of the obligitory trash talk... obviously I'm going to come on here and say I think the Bills are going to win. We all know that. But what I like to see is that some of your own fans even feel that way. And they should! We have one of the best defenses in the league, the best young running back in the league (1100 yards in 11 starts last year) who wasn't even 100 percent healthy last year, and the most play-makers on special teams (5 TD's from our ST's last year).

And for those that say we are worse this year because our new QB... that is laughable. Bledsoe only really won us 1 game last year. He played well against Miami (yeah, Miami), but other than that he played not to lose. Something a young QB could do as well. The advantage is now we have a mobile QB who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. Also, Mularkey is notorious for drawing up creative plays for the offense, and was severely limited in his playcalling by Drew last year. Having a QB that can actually rollout and move the pocket will open up a whole new dimension in our offense.

Looking forward to the season Texan fans...

My prediction: Buffalo 17, Texans 6

ColdSteelBlue
04-16-2005, 09:07 AM
Ralph Wilson Stadium is going to be rockin on opening day! You guys have no idea how pumped up that defense is going to be... I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even make it off your half of the field!!!

Okay enough of the obligitory trash talk... obviously I'm going to come on here and say I think the Bills are going to win. We all know that. But what I like to see is that some of your own fans even feel that way. And they should! We have one of the best defenses in the league, the best young running back in the league (1100 yards in 11 starts last year) who wasn't even 100 percent healthy last year, and the most play-makers on special teams (5 TD's from our ST's last year).

And for those that say we are worse this year because our new QB... that is laughable. Bledsoe only really won us 1 game last year. He played well against Miami (yeah, Miami), but other than that he played not to lose. Something a young QB could do as well. The advantage is now we have a mobile QB who can make plays when the pocket breaks down. Also, Mularkey is notorious for drawing up creative plays for the offense, and was severely limited in his playcalling by Drew last year. Having a QB that can actually rollout and move the pocket will open up a whole new dimension in our offense.

Looking forward to the season Texan fans...

My prediction: Buffalo 17, Texans 6

It's good that Loseman can move, since Babin and Peek will be after his *** all day. Y'all have a good D but, not having Williams will hurt. The Buffalo ends will not get as good of pressure on QBs and DD will have room up the gut. Also none of your coeners are good enough to stick with AJ.

My prediction, a close game: Texans- 17 , Bills 14 in OT

WWJD
04-16-2005, 09:16 AM
If our defense can pick off were we left off last year we have a 50/50 chance. I would try to give them different looks to try to confuse Losman. Send Dunta on a blitz package. Then hopefully if Carr Bomb is correct Carr should feel "rejunvinated" from all the sacks he took and come out the gates firing on all cylinders. A good dose of DD and pure execution should keep this good. To me it's gonna be a defensive game. I would set my mind on trying to give a season opener to Losman he will never forget.(Defense, and mentally wise, no injuries.)


You better hope they don't pick up where they "left off" last year...that would be the Cleveland game where they looked like SB contenders against the Texans leading to an embarrassing loss by the Texans. If I remember right that was the one game almost everybody agreed the Texans would win and instead they laid a big fat egg.

TKO's Comin' for ya!
04-16-2005, 09:21 AM
It's good that Loseman can move, since Babin and Peek will be after his *** all day. Y'all have a good D but, not having Williams will hurt. The Buffalo ends will not get as good of pressure on QBs and DD will have room up the gut. Also none of your coeners are good enough to stick with AJ.

My prediction, a close game: Texans- 17 , Bills 14 in OT


Your right that the loss of Williams will hurt us a little bit... but you are completely wrong about our corners! We had the 3rd best passing defense in the league last year and haven't lost anybody in our secondary. If anything we are going to be better this year than we were last year. Both Milloy and Vincent were injured for most of the first part of the season last year. And Vincent was great last year in his switch to Free Safety. With a year to actually learn the position, he could be dominent.

NOTAHOMER
04-16-2005, 09:48 AM
I am a Bills fan, and I give the Texans a very good chance againt us on opening day for several reasons.


1)We lose our big DT Pat Williams to the Vikings in free agency. Pat Williams was arguably the better run stuffer on our defensive line, and his prescence in the run game will most likely be missed.

2)We have also lost our starting LT to the 49ers in free agency. Jonnas Jennings was probably the best lineman on our offensive line last year, and it is still up in the air on who will replace him.(Henry for LJ Shelton trade is still being negotiated)

3)Like many have mentioned, we have essentially a rookie quaterback starting for us on opening day. No one knows how Losman will play in his first game as a starter, but if he is like most first year starters he may have a tough time throwing downfield, and the Texans could win the turnover battle because of this.


It should make for a good game, as I expect the Texans to be a much improved team.

jpc1028
04-16-2005, 10:12 AM
Buffalo beat us at home in our first year and we beat them on the road our second year.

As far as being a notch below than them. They were 8-8, we were 7-9. I would say that is about right. :cool:

the bills were 9-7 last year. thank you.

BILLS 4 LIFE
04-16-2005, 10:15 AM
Cracks me up every time I hear everyone wanting to "be realistic" and ranking teams based on the previous year and by their collective talent.

The margin of victory in the NFL is very small. Although you can get a pretty good read on a team based on past performance and through analysis of their current roster, you have to be a soothsayer to accurately determine who will win a game or season. After all, once you factor in emotions, health, atmosphere, weather, etc, etc., some funny things can happen in football.

Besides that, if I looked at The Mighty Buffaloes record last year which assumedly places the Texans as great underdogs this year, I am thoroughly unimpressed.

Last year:
Buffalo was swept by the Patriots handily.
They split with the Jets.
Lost to the Raiders (Texans' beat the Raiders) Lost to Jacksonville(oh, that is right the Texans swept the Jags), and lost to both the Ravens and Steelers.
Who did they beat? Cardinals, Miami twice (Impressed!), San Fran(WOW!), Cleveland(Powerhouse), Cincy, St. Louis and Seattle. Impressive!

That said, what is in the past is in the past. My belief is that the Texans will be greatly improved with added experience for the first year players along with the maturation of Carr. I also believe that Capers will have the team mentally ready to play.

Last year the Texans were "being realistic" when they thought they should easily defeat the Chargers but didn't. Who saw the emergence of Antonio Gates and Drew Brees? I bet some of the Charger fans did! But certainly not the ones who were being "realistic" and pessimistic.

The Texans are not a notch below the Bills. If they beat the Texans then we can talk about notches. Until then, Texans "fans" can replace the "realistic" pessimism with "realistic" optimism.

the pats are the SB champs, with deadslow at the helm there was a reason we were swept "handily" ( 31-17 week 3, lost on a bledsoe fumble)

we pointed out that we beat weak teams, we did, i'm not disagreeing with you, but look at the games earlier in the season. the nail biters that we came up short on, we could've been at least 11-5 if clements knocks down the ball vs. the jags, if the refs didnt blow a call (which the NFL admitted they did) in Oakland which cost us a TD or the 3 redzone picks bledsoe threw against teh ravens

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 10:17 AM
This is what Bills fans think about what Texans fans think about the Bills (http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50377)...I don't really like getting into lame trash talk arguments before the draft, so I'll simply say it should be a close game...Good luck to the Bills (even if the game is 5 months away)...

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 10:44 AM
They have Johnson at #1 and he could probably at least compete for #2 on the Bills, but he is all they have....

Funniest thing I've read all day...

jr0ck
04-16-2005, 11:33 AM
Originally Posted by jpc1028
The bills D is absolutly amazing. 2nd overall in the league, and 1st in scoring D last year.... thats impressiveOriginally Posted by aj.
Actually the Bills were 8th in the league in scoring defense last year, right behind Jacksonville who was 7th and who the Texans beat twice.

from this thread (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=8124)

Originally Posted by jpc1028
hey moron, the bills were 9-7 last year. thank you.
the bills were 8th in league in scoring defense, not 2nd...get to know your own team before throwing around 'moron' on this board. calm down man, and remember the texans are not push overs and have the real possibilty of bringing you to tears after the first game of this season.

jags98
04-16-2005, 11:37 AM
from this thread (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=8124)

the bills were 8th in league in scoring defense...calm down man, and remember the texans are not push overs and have the real possibilty of bringing you to tears after the first game of this season.
We brought tears the first game and now its the Texans turn..... :thumbup

Wolf
04-16-2005, 11:43 AM
This is what Bills fans think about what Texans fans think about the Bills (http://boards.buffalobills.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=50377)...I don't really like getting into lame trash talk arguments before the draft, so I'll simply say it should be a close game...Good luck to the Bills (even if the game is 5 months away)...

this is the funniest thing from that website.
They have Johnson at #1 and he could probably at least compete for #2 on the Bills, but he is all they have....

I don't know what the probably would be.. not being biased..(or maybe I am)... if we gave AJ a complimentary reciever that wasn't either hit or miss(sorry to diss on bradford).. but ..a WR that was consistant and took the double team off of AJ ..I'd have to say Randy Moss numbers for AJ...because he is a physical..go gettem WR without the attitude (off the field).

maybe I am biased and he'd knock Moulds to number 2 and Reed to number3
:rolleyes:

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 11:58 AM
I think you forgot about Lee Evans, Wolf...Somehow he managed to get 9 TD receptions last year despite only starting 11 games...

Sarg01
04-16-2005, 12:07 PM
It's good that Loseman can move, since Babin and Peek will be after his *** all day. Y'all have a good D but, not having Williams will hurt. The Buffalo ends will not get as good of pressure on QBs and DD will have room up the gut. Also none of your coeners are good enough to stick with AJ.

My prediction, a close game: Texans- 17 , Bills 14 in OT

Nate Clements is pretty good - one of the better CBs in the league. He tied with Dunta for 6 ints last year and had nearly as many tackles - not quite as many passes "defensed", though. He's close to Pro-Bowl quality, really. Terrence McGee's always around the play, but not as great at stopping the catch. Depending on what we do with the #2 WR spot, this could be a critical matchup for our offense.

However, I do agree that losing Pat Williams will be the key. The Texans' OLine weakness is in the middle of the line, and having a new guy start at nose should allow our O to perform better than normal.

Defensively, we just have to get pressure on the rookie. McGahee is a great back, but he's not going to beat a 3-4 all by himself as long as our line holds up. As usual, our secondary will make the play as long as we keep the time window for Losman average or shorter. Our secondary is deadly if Losman makes the mistakes all rookie QBs make - 5th in the league in INTs last year, despite being 32nd in getting pressure.

No way to predict a score this early, or even a winner. However, with our secondary, we have to recognize the earlier we can play the rookie, the better the chance that Dunta, Marcus, Aaron and Demarcus will get the big play to seal the deal for us.

BillsfanALWAYS
04-16-2005, 01:33 PM
Lets not forget we were #1 in special Teams last year. Bledsoe was holding the team down if we would of had a decent qb we would of gone to the playoffs last year. So i dont see much of a decline from the qb position.

BillsfanALWAYS
04-16-2005, 01:37 PM
Nate Clements is pretty good - one of the better CBs in the league. He tied with Dunta for 6 ints last year and had nearly as many tackles - not quite as many passes "defensed", though. He's close to Pro-Bowl quality, really. Terrence McGee's always around the play, but not as great at stopping the catch. Depending on what we do with the #2 WR spot, this could be a critical matchup for our offense.

However, I do agree that losing Pat Williams will be the key. The Texans' OLine weakness is in the middle of the line, and having a new guy start at nose should allow our O to perform better than normal.

Defensively, we just have to get pressure on the rookie. McGahee is a great back, but he's not going to beat a 3-4 all by himself as long as our line holds up. As usual, our secondary will make the play as long as we keep the time window for Losman average or shorter. Our secondary is deadly if Losman makes the mistakes all rookie QBs make - 5th in the league in INTs last year, despite being 32nd in getting pressure.

No way to predict a score this early, or even a winner. However, with our secondary, we have to recognize the earlier we can play the rookie, the better the chance that Dunta, Marcus, Aaron and Demarcus will get the big play to seal the deal for us. Loseing pat will not hurt as much as you think. Remember he plays next to sam adams who is a dominant defensive lineman. Adams took on double teams while pat could barely take 1 sometimes. Ron edwards will do fine trust me there almost the same player. Second Moulds and lee will tear you guys apart easily. With you guys fearing the run.

jags98
04-16-2005, 01:43 PM
Loseing pat will not hurt as much as you think. Remember he plays next to sam adams who is a dominant defensive lineman. Adams took on double teams while pat could barely take 1 sometimes. Ron edwards will do fine trust me there almost the same player. Second Moulds and lee will tear you guys apart easily. With you guys fearing the run.
Homerism at its best..... :listening

BillsfanALWAYS
04-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Homerism at its best..... :listening Hey Didn't you guys lose to the texans when it was a must need win? Wast your stadium like half full? So please dont talk when your fans cant be bothered to show up. :thumbdown

Vinny
04-16-2005, 03:30 PM
They have Johnson at #1 and he could probably at least compete for #2 on the Bills, but he is all they have....
http://66.187.130.207/images/aj_air.jpg

jpc1028
04-16-2005, 03:36 PM
maybe I am biased and he'd knock Moulds to number 2 and Reed to number3
:rolleyes:

reed to #3??? reed is #3/#4 as it is...... have you heard of LEE EVANS?? look him up. great wr. he is our #2.

id take eric moulds ANY DAY over AJ....... however if you are building a franchise you take AJ only because he is younger.

texansfan88
04-16-2005, 03:48 PM
reed to #3??? reed is #3/#4 as it is...... have you heard of LEE EVANS?? look him up. great wr. he is our #2.

id take eric moulds ANY DAY over AJ....... however if you are building a franchise you take AJ only because he is younger.
Wow, if this guy isn't a homer, i dont know what is

TEXANS84
04-16-2005, 03:50 PM
id take eric moulds ANY DAY over AJ....... however if you are building a franchise you take AJ only because he is younger.

Moulds had 88 receptions to AJ's 79
Moulds had 101 less recieving yards and 1 less touchdown last year.
Moulds also averaged 11.9 yards per catch, Johnson averaged 14.5.

jags98
04-16-2005, 04:36 PM
Hey Didn't you guys lose to the texans when it was a must need win? Wast your stadium like half full? So please dont talk when your fans cant be bothered to show up. :thumbdown

Didnt you guys just have to win to get in the playoffs, but instead the Broncos went?

jags98
04-16-2005, 04:37 PM
Moulds had 88 receptions to AJ's 79
Moulds had 101 less recieving yards and 1 less touchdown last year.
Moulds also averaged 11.9 yards per catch, Johnson averaged 14.5.

And AJ is like 8 years younger....

thebillsownyou
04-16-2005, 05:34 PM
:woot: :pepper: :piano: :penguin: Moulds had 88 receptions to AJ's 79
Moulds had 101 less recieving yards and 1 less touchdown last year.
Moulds also averaged 11.9 yards per catch, Johnson averaged 14.5.

AJ didn't have bledsoe throwin to him. If he did his stats would be worse than Moulds. You guys got nothin on the bills.

THEFUTURE
04-16-2005, 05:41 PM
Lee Evans and Moulds are good, but lets not start trying to rate them with AJ, if we had better protection, and another threat, AJ could have put up an additional 300 yards maybe and a few more TD... AJ was a pro bowl receiver, that no one wanted to face, and the Bills wont either. i dont remember either of your two receivers gaining that kind of recognition.

thebillsownyou
04-16-2005, 05:47 PM
Lee Evans and Moulds are good, but lets not start trying to rate them with AJ, if we had better protection, and another threat, AJ could have put up an additional 300 yards maybe and a few more TD... AJ was a pro bowl receiver, that no one wanted to face, and the Bills wont either. i dont remember either of your two receivers gaining that kind of recognition.

Every quarterback since Kelly has sucked and Moulds puts up pretty good numbers with crappy quarterbacks

THEFUTURE
04-16-2005, 05:50 PM
are you kidding me, bledsoe threw for almost 3000 yards 20 tds and 16 picks and had good protection completing 256 of 450 for 56.9% ... carr had 3500 yards 16 tds and 14 picks with bad protection completing 285 of 466 for 61.2%.... so i wouldnt say that carr is vastly superior to bledsoe, he will be, but last year. carr was on the same level. no better no worse

THEFUTURE
04-16-2005, 05:56 PM
tell me how many times moulds was triple teamed last year, cuz i guarantee he wasnt close to AJ, neither was Evans... no one fears them like they do AJ. AJ is a superior athlete and a superior WR now

Fiddy
04-16-2005, 05:57 PM
I can tell you one thing right now, Moulds wont see the ball a lot the first game of the season. Not because D-Rob will be covering him but because the Bills are going to give us Texans a steady dose of Willis McGahee. And we will be going into that game with, minimum, 2 new players at LB (Greenwood and Wong moving inside) and we could have 3 if we draft an OLB high.

Good thing I have McGahee in my fantasy dynasty league :excited:

nostyle
04-16-2005, 06:19 PM
Hey all, another Bills fan here to give you my take...

First off, I do think the Texans, as of right now, have to be seen as a notch below Buffalo until proven otherwise. Last year Buffalo had one of the best defenses and the best special teams in the league. We also have some scary offensive weapons, although we weren't able to make the most of them. We were very competitive in the most competitive division in the league, the AFC East.

On top of that, this is a home opener in Buffalo, which pretty much makes it a holiday up there. Add the excitement of a new era (Losman's era), and it'll be quite a difficult place to play for the Texans.

All that being said, OF COURSE the Texans can win. This is the parody-filled NFL, not some busch league like major league baseball where only a handful of big-market teams can be competitive. With few exceptions, every NFL team is within a notch of eachother, and on 'any given Sunday' any team can win. I mean just last year we saw Miami knock off the Pats. 'Nuff said.

To comment on a few other things I've seen mentioned in this thread...

Losing Bledsoe is NOT A DOWNGRADE like many people seem to think it is. Bledsoe was HOLDING US BACK, and we all knew it. Bringing in Losman will not be a major step back at all, you'll see. And in time it will become a major step forward. Now, that probably won't mean much in week 1, but the worst part about week 1 for the Texans is the wildcard nature of this new young gun. Maybe he'll come out and knock all our socks off. You never know. He's an X factor at this point, and that can be scary from the Texans' perspective. I suppose that is somewhat counterbalanced by the logic that this young quarterback will be seeing his first real action as a starter, so for the sake of argument I'll say that these two factors negate eachother.

Now, onto Andre Johnson versus Moulds. As much as I like Moulds, I think Johnson is actually in the process of becoming a better receiver than him. I think Andre is one of the best young receivers in the league, and he's only getting better. I hate to admit that as a die-hard Bills fan, but it's what I see. In another 2-3 years we're all going to be talking about Chad Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Roy Williams. Just my take...

Good grief, 5 months until kickoff???!!!!! Hope you're all as geeked up as I am to get next season going! Good luck this coming season...aside from opening day, of course.

:)

TEXANS84
04-16-2005, 06:46 PM
AJ didn't have bledsoe throwin to him. If he did his stats would be worse than Moulds. You guys got nothin on the bills.

And where was Moulds when they were playing in Hawaii?

Wow, we have to endure this for another 5 months?

nostyle
04-16-2005, 06:58 PM
Wow, we have to endure this for another 5 months?

Nah. This is just one topic that happened to get noticed by some Bills forumers. Right now we're really more all about the Travis Henry saga and the upcoming draft.

Then there will be mini camp...

Then there will be training camp...

And then you'll likely see Bills spam on this board...just as we'll inevitably see Texans spam on ours...

TEXANS84
04-16-2005, 07:23 PM
Nah. This is just one topic that happened to get noticed by some Bills forumers. Right now we're really more all about the Travis Henry saga and the upcoming draft.

BTW, you bring up a good point. What is the current situation with Travis Henry? And are you guys upset to see him go?

nostyle
04-16-2005, 09:12 PM
BTW, you bring up a good point. What is the current situation with Travis Henry? And are you guys upset to see him go?

Right now our GM Donahoe is trying to get the most for Henry, and it looks like our best bet is a draft-day trade with Arizona for L.J. Shelton. Both sides feel they deserve more than the other side is offering right now, though.

I personally am very upset to see the Bills' relationship with Henry end this way. You have to understand, this is a kid who grew up in Frostproof, Florida as a Bills fan. He worshipped the Bills and then actually got a chance to play for the team he loved. He made the most of his opportunity before Willis came along. Back when we were trying out a runningback-by-committee system of Shawn Bryson, Sammy Morris, and rookie Travis Henry, Travis CLEARLY was the best back we had. He was supposed to be our next great runningback. That's why we were all so shocked when we drafted Willis. Now, as it turns out, it looks like McGahee will be a great back for us, but I absolutely understand why Henry is so upset by how this has all played out. It's really a shame the way it's unfolding. Recently Henry said that if he's not traded he'll sit out next season. I hope it doesn't come to that.

The_Philster
04-16-2005, 09:20 PM
There's always some homerism on both sides...especially during the offseason..it should be a good game...Bills coming out on top, of course

TexansTrueFan
04-16-2005, 09:34 PM
ok sounds like the bills are pretty confident and i can admire that, until we dont see any of them back on the board after we beat their team 24-17. Thats how all fans who visit message boards are, they talk their stuff and if they lose they never come back but if they win you'll never hear the end of it. In that case i dont expect to see many bills fans around here after our first game :) !

TexanSuperstar
04-16-2005, 09:37 PM
Yeah that's because people always wanna be right. If they get caught being wrong they feel real dumb so they just dont come back.

BillsOwnzorz2121
04-16-2005, 09:45 PM
OK first of all as a die hard bill fan its hard for me to say this but its pretty obvious AJ is better than moulds.

As for the game i think the bills win beacause of the atmosphere of the home opener and our defence will make some big plays.. its gonna be a close on though

For the people who say our defence isnt as good cuz we lost Big Pat your wrong, remember the Bills still have the keg Sam Adams... I also think one of our other DT can step up and make some plays

As for TH he can get the hell outta Buffalo we dont want him here


My Prediction its a nail bitter 21-20 Bills

nostyle
04-16-2005, 09:47 PM
ok sounds like the bills are pretty confident and i can admire that, until we dont see any of them back on the board after we beat their team 24-17. Thats how all fans who visit message boards are, they talk their stuff and if they lose they never come back but if they win you'll never hear the end of it. In that case i dont expect to see many bills fans around here after our first game

I wholeheartedly admit I likely won't be back for a long, long time. I only dropped in to see this thread and chime in quickly. I wouldn't exactly say I've done a whole lot of talking, either, but I do feel good about the Bills' outlook this coming season.

That being said, even the cockier fans won't be back after the opener, win or lose. This isn't exactly a long-standing rivalry, and as soon as week 1 is done we will all be looking to week 2.

Yeah that's because people always wanna be right. If they get caught being wrong they feel real dumb so they just dont come back.

The cocky ones will come back after a win and say "we rule you suck later suckas!" and after a loss they simply won't come back at all. Either way they won't linger on the board much longer after week 1 has passed.

nostyle
04-16-2005, 09:50 PM
For the people who say our defence isnt as good cuz we lost Big Pat your wrong, remember the Bills still have the keg Sam Adams... I also think one of our other DT can step up and make some plays

There still isn't a single guy on our roster who takes up quite as much space as big Pat, but I agree that Adams really made Pat better and not vice versa...much like when Pat got to play next to big Ted Washington. I'm curious to see if Tim Anderson, Ron Williams, and Justin Bannan are ready for this, because we really don't have many other options. Edwards is a great pass-rushing DT but can he be an every-down defender?

Vinny
04-16-2005, 09:50 PM
The Texans run a pretty sophisticated defense so Losman will have to do some thinking. Capers can put together a great gameplan when he has time and his specialty is confusing QB's. Nobody thought we would beat Miami or Dallas on opening day.

TexanSuperstar
04-16-2005, 09:57 PM
Yeah and those great game plans can get us far. Let's hope that they are even better this year. I look forward to seeing what he has in plan for us this year.

nostyle
04-16-2005, 10:09 PM
The Texans run a pretty sophisticated defense so Losman will have to do some thinking. Capers can put together a great gameplan when he has time and his specialty is confusing QB's. Nobody thought we would beat Miami or Dallas on opening day.

I hear ya. Capers more or less invented the zone blitz. We're all very aware of the complex defensive schemes he and the Texans can put on the field. That being said, Losman has a lot of support on his side to (hopefully) overcome the difficulties in reading such a complex defense. He has creative offensive scheming thanks to Mike Mularkey and Tom Clements. He also has Sam Wyche (you know, that same guy who was quarterbacks coach for Joe Montana and Boomer Esiason back in the day) to help him along.

But the biggest thing Losman and the Bills have going for them is simply ATHLETICISM. When all the schemes unfold, when all else fails, I believe the Bills have enough offensive athleticism to make plays. McGahee is a STUD runningback. Moulds and Evans are a great receiver tandem, and Losman, although inexperienced, brings so much athleticism to the position that it'll make your head spin. This ain't no Drew Statue sitting back there waiting to get sacked. This kid can FLY. I think you'll all enjoy watching him, win or lose.

Vinny
04-16-2005, 10:21 PM
I have Losman in one of my dynasty leagues. Brett Favre will probably start opening day, but I do get a close look at Losman right off the bat. This is probably Favre's last season so I'm looking for Losman to step up by next season for me....just not the first game. ;)

nostyle
04-16-2005, 10:58 PM
I have Losman in one of my dynasty leagues. Brett Favre will probably start opening day, but I do get a close look at Losman right off the bat. This is probably Favre's last season so I'm looking for Losman to step up by next season for me....just not the first game.

The only problem with Losman from a fantasy perspective is that the Bills will likely be a run-first offense, and since their D should be solid, they'll likely never be in a blowout game where they have to pass 50 times to try to get back into the game.

Where Losman WILL have fantasy potential is in his scrambling yardage and redzone efficiency. I hate to use such an overplayed comparison, but Losman is like a poor man's Vick. He has a cannon and can scramble like the wind, but early on he's going to need to learn how to read defenses. But as we've seen with Vick, the sheer athleticism is enough to make him valuable in fantasy leagues.