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beerlover
04-15-2005, 09:04 AM
post your picks of the Texans 2005 Draft here, lets see who can predict the newest Texans :cool:

beerlovers picks-

Demarcus Ware

Rosco Parrish

Stanley Wilson

Matt McCoy

Sione Pouha

Claude Terrell

Frank Gore

Junis Coston

cadahnic
04-15-2005, 10:08 AM
1.DJ or Carlos Rogers LB or CB
2.Adam Terry OL
3.a Luis Castillo DL
3b. Jerome Mathis WR/KR
4.Atiya Ellison DL
5.Adam Kieft OL
6.Brandon Jacobs RB/TE
7. Jonothan Simon DL

threetoedpete
04-15-2005, 01:11 PM
I've been blasting a lot of folks all off season. Only fair that the get thier shots. I've enjoyed your posts this off season beerlover. Excellent research. Love Gore in the sixeth round. That's ussually where CC takes a flyer on a guy. Makes sense to me.
My 73 is gone for DJ.

10. DJ
47. David Bass OG,/Chriss Spencer G/C
78. Castilio DL
108. Tony Brown WR
142. Charles Byrd CB
173. Nehimiah Broughton RB Citidal
204 Cody Camble OL Texas Tech
206. Nick Collins DB Bethune-Cookman

texansfan88
04-15-2005, 01:27 PM
post your picks of the Texans 2005 Draft here, lets see who can predict the newest Texans :cool:

beerlovers picks-

Demarcus Ware

Rosco Parrish

Stanley Wilson

Matt McCoy

Sione Pouha

Claude Terrell

Frank Gore

Junis Coston
Mountain West fan?

texansalltheway
04-15-2005, 01:58 PM
Round 1: *(21) David Pollack- LB, Georgia-Buschi type player that could play inside or out
Round 2: (47) Chris Spencer- C, Ole Miss-youth and eventual replacement for McKinney
Round 2: (52) Marion Barber III- RB, Minnesota Was the power back in one of the countries best backfield could compliment DD very well
Round 3: (74) Donte Nicholson S, Oklahoma-great versus the run and is physical and makes plays
Round 3: (77) Ronald Bartell- CB, Howard
Round 4: (114) Darrell Shropshire- DT, S. Carolina
Round 5: (151) Rob Petitte- OT, Pittsburgh
Round 6: (188) Boomer Grigsby LB-Illinios St.
Round 7: (227) Jason Jefferson- DT, Wisconsin

Traded down with Jacksonville for their #21 and #52

Xman
04-15-2005, 02:04 PM
1. Cedric Benson 5-10, 222 4.52 Texas
You have to take him if he falls (might be cadillac).
2. Chris Spencer 6-3, 310 Mississippi
Will be ready to step in at C in a year. This pick could be Bass if he is there or another of the OGs ranked in this area.
3a. Roscoe Parrish 5-10, 170 4.43 Miami
We need some speed at the position - besides AJ.
3b. Stanley Wilson 6-0, 185 4.40 Stanford
Could be ready to start opposite Dunta in 2 years.
4. Anthony Bryant 6-3, 332 5.00 Alabama
5. Albert Means 6-4, 320 5.35 Memphis
Bryant and Means could be the future at the nose - by taking both it allows one to fail and still have a solution after Payne. If both pan out, they will be able to rotate, which is needed with big guys like these.
6. James Kinney 6-1, 244 4.63 Missouri
Has the tools, just needs coaching to se if he will develop.
7. Chris Carr (Return Kicks/DB) 5-9, 185 4.65 Boise State
Return game needs help, also backup in secondary.

Blake
04-15-2005, 02:08 PM
Round 1 6(6) - Derrick Johnson, ILB, Texas (Will play ILB, and can cover.)
Round 2 15(47) - -Traded- (To Tenn)
Round 3 9(73) - Ben Wilkerson, C, L.S.U. (Will eventually take over for Steve)
Round 3 14(78) - Courtney Roby, WR, Indiana (Ran a 4.33, and will take over #2 next year.
Round 4 13(115) - -Traded- (To Tenn)
Round 5 15(152) - Sione Pouha, DT, Utah (At 6-33/8, 325 LBS, he has the size to play NT for a 3-4.
Round 6 14(189) - -Traded- (To Tenn)
Round 7 13(228) - Noah Herron, RB, Northwestern (Runs hard. Has excellent size and a solid frame. Is a smart runner. Has good hands out of the backfield...Physical and will punish defenders.)

Yes, we trade with the Titans once again. They get more picks, and we get our linebacker.

The Titans still take Barron at #13.

Xman
04-15-2005, 02:09 PM
If the rumors about the trade up are true:

#3 Braylon WR
3a. Evan Mathis OG 6-5, 305 5.15 Alabama

the rest the same:
3b. Stanley Wilson CB 6-0, 185 4.40 Stanford
Could be ready to start opposite Dunta in 2 years.
4. Anthony Bryant DT 6-3, 332 5.00 Alabama
5. Albert Means DT 6-4, 320 5.35 Memphis
Bryant and Means could be the future at the nose - by taking both it allows one to fail and still have a solution after Payne. If both pan out, they will be able to rotate, which is needed with big guys like these.
6. James Kinney LB 6-1, 244 4.63 Missouri
Has the tools, just needs coaching to se if he will develop.
7. Chris Carr (Return Kicks/DB) 5-9, 185 4.65 Boise State
Return game needs help, also backup in secondary.

beerlover
04-15-2005, 06:04 PM
Mountain West fan?

nope. just a fan of talented College football players that have a future in the NFL :)

D-ReK
04-15-2005, 06:22 PM
I'm probably way off, but I'll take

1. Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
2. Sherrod White, WR, UAB
3a. Ronald Bartell, CB, Howard
3b. Jason Brown, C, North Carolina
4. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville
5. Jonathan Welsh, OLB, Wisconsin
6. Anthony Bryant, NT, Alabama
7a. Daniel Loper, OT, Texas Tech
7b. Chris Rix, QB, FSU

We do have 2 7th rounders this year, right?

beerlover
04-15-2005, 06:28 PM
I've been blasting a lot of folks all off season. Only fair that the get thier shots. I've enjoyed your posts this off season beerlover. Excellent research. Love Gore in the sixeth round. That's ussually where CC takes a flyer on a guy. Makes sense to me.
My 73 is gone for DJ.

10. DJ
47. David Bass OG,/Chriss Spencer G/C
78. Castilio DL
108. Tony Brown WR
142. Charles Byrd CB
173. Nehimiah Broughton RB Citidal
204 Cody Camble OL Texas Tech
206. Nick Collins DB Bethune-Cookman

thanks I like your picks as well. I just could not commit to DJ slipping to the Texans or David Baas for that matter. also the key pick here is Rosco Parish, I've seen Miami play alot and this kid is a playmaker & seemed to me like a game breaker everytime he touched the ball. the fit with AJ would be a natural hook up playing in the #2 slot without complaint opening up routes for Andre all over the field, to me this is a factor not to be overlooked even if there is a higher rated pick on the board.

of all the hidden gems my sleeper pick is Matt McCoy, he played outside linebacker in College he is undersized for this position in the NFL but is ideal size for a ILB position in the 3-4. he is the same size as Greenwood 5116 234 lbs. fast sub 4.6/40 and sideline to sideline plus explosive hitter with excellent strength. this would makeup the foundation for the Texans linebackers solidn for years as they play together they'll only get better, he would be a steal, a steal in the 3rd round, I just hope Casserly reads this :mag:

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beerlover
04-15-2005, 06:50 PM
I'm probably way off, but I'll take

1. Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
2. Sherrod White, WR, UAB
3a. Ronald Bartell, CB, Howard
3b. Jason Brown, C, North Carolina
4. Robert McCune, ILB, Louisville
5. Jonathan Welsh, OLB, Wisconsin
6. Anthony Bryant, NT, Alabama
7a. Daniel Loper, OT, Texas Tech
7b. Chris Rix, QB, FSU

We do have 2 7th rounders this year, right?

haven't seen anything in print for awhile about the 2nd 7th rd pick from KC :confused:

nice picks D-Rek, you meet several needs as well & we AGREE on Demarcus Ware :thumbup

do you mean Roddy White AL-Birm? don't think he'll be available that far into the 2nd rd. plus he is more of a #1 type of WR.

Ronald Bartell plays more like a nickle or Safety & does not have CB instincts that would thrive in a man to man, could see him struggle at CB and possibly be moved to Safety.

thats kinda high for Jason Brown if you take Center this high I would prefeer Scott Mruckowskie, Bowling Green 6044 323 5.31/40. I thought about him here but found a much higher rated player and also a need in Matt McCoy.

Robert McCune sounds alot like Matt McCoy doesn't it? over hyped and better known prospect that just doesn't measure up with Matt.

Jonathan Welsh nice OLB prospect, looked at him here as well but decided with a rotation of Babin, Ware, Greenwood, Wong & Peek it would be hard to justify and address another need instead. but I like him as a player.

if not Sinoe Pouhu, Utah I like taking a NT and Anthony Bryant would be a good one, I like that pick.

Daniel Loper very possible.

D-ReK
04-15-2005, 07:11 PM
haven't seen anything in print for awhile about the 2nd 7th rd pick from KC :confused:

nice picks D-Rek, you meet several needs as well & we AGREE on Demarcus Ware :thumbup

do you mean Roddy White AL-Birm? don't think he'll be available that far into the 2nd rd. plus he is more of a #1 type of WR.

Ronald Bartell plays more like a nickle or Safety & does not have CB instincts that would thrive in a man to man, could see him struggle at CB and possibly be moved to Safety.

thats kinda high for Jason Brown if you take Center this high I would prefeer Scott Mruckowskie, Bowling Green 6044 323 5.31/40. I thought about him here but found a much higher rated player and also a need in Matt McCoy.

Robert McCune sounds alot like Matt McCoy doesn't it? over hyped and better known prospect that just doesn't measure up with Matt.

Jonathan Welsh nice OLB prospect, looked at him here as well but decided with a rotation of Babin, Ware, Greenwood, Wong & Peek it would be hard to justify and address another need instead. but I like him as a player.

if not Sinoe Pouhu, Utah I like taking a NT and Anthony Bryant would be a good one, I like that pick.

Daniel Loper very possible.

I've heard conflicting reports on if we have the 206th pick...When we traded Steve Cheek to them, we got a conditional 7th rounder, and some sources say we have their 7th rounder and others don't...

Sherrod White = Roddy White, I just like calling him by his given first name...I think it's very possible he slips into the mid 2nd due to guys like Matt Jones and Reggie Brown moving up draft boards...Sherrod has been relatively quiet and I think it's very possible he slides...If he's not available at 47, I'd take Reggie Brown...

If I remember correctly, the main thing that impressed us about Dunta was his speed and ability to thrive in zone coverage, which are the same traits that Bartell has...He's a shade over 6'1", and ran a 4.37 at the combine...He needs polishing, but he wouldn't be expected to make an immediate impact with D-Rob and Glenn starting and Faggins and Sanders having nickle and dime duties...If there's one position we've been able to develop successfully here, it has been DBs, so I think with a year or even two of practice here, Bartell could emerge as a star...

I chose Jason Brown because he has impressed me the most of all the centers...He could come in and pressure McKinney right away, and he won't get pushed around by bigger DTs...I thought Wilkerson, but his injury concerns kinda scare me away...

McCoy doesn't really impress me...McCune is faster, a surer tackler, came from a bigger school, and is more ready to make an immediate impact in the middle...The only knock I've seen on McCune is his age...

I like the versatility that Welsh brings, and we have shown a tendency to take multiple LBs per draft...I think he'd probably fit better on the outside in a rotation with Babin...Peek and Ware would be on the right and Babin and Welsh would be on the left...Charlie Anderson would likely serve as a special teamer and step in as a back-up if someone were to get injured...

I chose Bryant because I think someone will take Pouha before then...If Pouha were there, I'd take him over Bryant because he's more athletic...

beerlover
04-15-2005, 08:16 PM
Roddy White is similar to Troy Williamson don't you think? very similar size and speed, if he lasted until the Texans pick that would be fine with me. Reggie Brown is even higer rated, I was trying to be more realistic and focus on a true slot possesion type that could break-open the underneath routes so AJ could go deep with only single coverage. one thing for sure is that if the Texans don't trade away the pick this would be the spot to secure an impact WR, which it seems we can both agree upon :thumbup

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 01:39 AM
According to the guys over at HPF, Babineaux is strictly a one-gap guy, so he may not be the best fit for us as a NT...I like the rest of your picks though, B.O.B.

MikeMc
04-16-2005, 02:06 AM
I'd rather have McCoy's teammate, Kirk Morrison as the future heart of the Defense (ILB).

Seeing that the team re-signed Bradford, I think WR is less of a "need".

1st Rd - Alex Barron or Khalif Barnes (LTs)
2nd rd - Corey Webster (CB)
3rd rd (A) - Darryl Blackstock or Barrett Ruud (OLB & ILB)
3rd rd (B) - Vincent Jackson (WR)
4th rd - Eric Shelton or Kirk Morrison (RB & ILB)

One week away!!!

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 02:23 AM
Why would you want Barron or Barnes? Neither would be able to remedy any of the O-Line's problems from the bench...Blackstock and Ruud are both legitimate 1st round prospects; I don't think either of them last til the third round...I think Morrison is too slow to play ILB here...The only pick out of those I'd be upset with would be Barron/Barnes...

hound
04-16-2005, 06:29 AM
19. From the Rams Justin Miller - CB/KR
47. Darryl Blackstock - ILB
50. From the Rams Luis Castillo - DT
73. Evan Mathis - OG
78. Courtney Robey - WR
114. Joe Dreesen - TE
150. Derek Wake - OLB
188. Jason Jefferson - DT
215. Walter Reyes - RB

Texan in Japan
04-16-2005, 06:54 AM
19. From the Rams Justin Miller - CB/KR
47. Darryl Blackstock - ILB
50. From the Rams Luis Castillo - DT
73. Evan Mathis - OG
78. Courtney Robey - WR
114. Joe Dreesen - TE
150. Derek Wake - OLB
188. Jason Jefferson - DT
215. Walter Reyes - RB
That would be a pretty solid draft.

Danish Texan
04-16-2005, 11:30 AM
My dreams picks for the Texans in the first 3 rounds. No trades

Round 1: OT Alex Barron, Florida State. Seth wand has to be upgraded, and Barron is the best LT prospect in the draft.
Round 2: OLB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia. The pass rush has to be upgraded, and this guy is a freak.
Round 3a: DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern. If his off field problems cause him to slide to the third, we should pick him up.
Round 3b: S Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma. SS is the weak link in an otherwise strong secondary, and this guy could fix that problem.

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 11:38 AM
Would you seriously want to have Carr out there behind a rookie LT again? Your only justification for the pick is "Barron is the best LT prospect in the draft", which isn't saying much this year...I just don't see how trotting out a rookie at LT could help matters here...The only rookie I can remember starting at LT is Orlando Pace, not Jon Ogden, not Chris Samuels, not Leonard Davis, not Mike Williams, not Bryant McKinnie, not Jordan Gross, and not Robert Gallery, all of whom were thought higher of than Barron...There is no way I can see him helping this team next year, the year after that, the year after that, or the year after that...

Also, what's up with Nicholson in the 3rd? If we wanted a back-up SS, we could get another in the 5th or 6th round...

Danish Texan
04-16-2005, 11:59 AM
I just consider Seth Wand the weakest link on the offense, and he has to be upgraded for the long run. A potential franchise LT could be to good to pass on.

Also, i think the SS position has to be upgraded.


There aint a lot of college football awailable here i Denmark, but i have seen some games. And what i've seen from the players i mentioned, I think the players i've mentioned can contribute to the Texans.

Just my thougts.

MikeMc
04-16-2005, 12:37 PM
Barron or Barnes would make the most sense for the #1 pick (hoping they last til the Texans pick), unless a top RB or CB is there.

At this point, which position is the most need? LT. WR is no longer with Bradford re-signing, although a 3rd rd pick would make sense. The DL needs some talent for the future (depth is weak and the starters, save Smith, are getting close to retirement).

OLB seems set with Peek & Babin. ILB seems set with Wong & Greenwood taking the ILB spots, with Polk & Evans as key backups.


BTW, D-Rek, the Cowboys are going to take Ware in front of the Texans, and Rod White will be gone in the late 1st early 2nd. As for Bartell, I thing a 3rd rounder is a stretch for him and his raw ability. 4th or 5th might be more accurate.

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 12:53 PM
Barron or Barnes would make the most sense for the #1 pick (hoping they last til the Texans pick), unless a top RB or CB is there.

At this point, which position is the most need? LT. WR is no longer with Bradford re-signing, although a 3rd rd pick would make sense. The DL needs some talent for the future (depth is weak and the starters, save Smith, are getting close to retirement).

OLB seems set with Peek & Babin. ILB seems set with Wong & Greenwood taking the ILB spots, with Polk & Evans as key backups.

I don't get why Barron or Barnes would make any sense...The main reason got got sacked so many times last year was the pass blocking breaking down in the interior O-Line (unless Spears was in :loser)...When the pocket would collapse, Carr would be forced to rollout, then the DE would shake off Wand and get to Carr, and Wand gets credited for the sack when the initial cause of it was the interior lines inability to hold their ground in pass protection...I think if we were to get a good OG or OC on the first day, we will have done enough for the line...We may add a young OT on the first day too, since we have little depth after Wand and Wade...

Bradford re-signing has little bearing on the draft since many rookie receivers don't make an impact right away...I think bringing Bradford back was an insurance policy in case we don't get to draft a guy or Gaffney/Armstrong aren't ready for #2 duties (hehe I said #2 dooty)...I agree with your point about the D-Line, and I'd like to see us pick up some quality depth in either the 3rd or 4th round...

I don't think OLB is anywhere near set...Both Babin and Peek have shown promise, but who do we have behind them? I may be forgetting someone, but the only people that come to mind are Charlie Anderson, DD Ancholonu, and Tim Cheatwood if the team chooses to use him at OLB and not ILB...I think Cheatwood and Anderson may be good in the future, but I wouldn't be comfortable with either of them starting if Peek or Babin were to get injured...We could move Wong back to the outside, but that would hurt depth in the middle...

Sarg01
04-16-2005, 01:51 PM
A potential franchise LT could be to good to pass on.

Also, i think the SS position has to be upgraded.



Agreed with the LT bit, too bad there's no potential franchise LTs in this draft class.

Our SS starter is just fine. Earl wasn't even supposed to be playing this year. Not only did he play, he beat out our 3-year starter. The guy was a rookie and didn't embarass himself. Cut him some slack and expect improvement, like you would with any other rookie (especially one that only played half a year)

MikeMc
04-16-2005, 02:04 PM
I feel confident with Pitts, McKinney and Wiegert on the interior, maybe there is something to this cohesion thing after all. It appears that every year the Texans have a new starting 5 up front, except for the constant McKinney.

Would you think that drafting David Baas, moving Pitts to LT and McKinney to LG, the Texans would be better off than drafting Barron or Barnes?

Maybe you have something there with the OLB, depth is always needed for a 3-4 D LB Corps.

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 02:19 PM
I think drafting Baas would be better than taking Barron or Barnes, but not for the reason you gave...I wouldn't expect Baas to start right away, but Wiegert is getting older (32 or 33, I think) and he was injured last year, and McKinney's contract expires after the 2006 season, so I think we could groom Baas as either an OG or OC to take over for either of them...If we feel he's ready to go, we could either put him at RG and sit Wiegert or start him at OC and have McKinney either sit or play RG...

IMO Wand will be the starter at LT next season for better or worse, and if he doesn't show much improvement, we can take an OT next year, when there are supposed to be a couple of elite prospects (D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Eric Winston, and maybe Justin Blalock if he comes out early)...

GoBlue
04-16-2005, 03:07 PM
My ideal draft...

TRADE PICKS #13 to St. Louis- we move down to #19 and get their 3rd round pick #66 overall)

#19- David Pollack DE/OLB Georgia (QB sacks are THE priority this year)
#47- David Baas C/OG Michigan (big boost to sagging interior line)
#66- Marion Barber III RB Minnesota (a basher with speed)
#73- Adam Seward LB UNLV (great speed, prototype ILB for 3-4)
#78- Ronald Bartell CB Howard (great speed + quickness)
#114- Fred Gibson WR Georgia (could be a steal this low)
#151- Justin Geisinger OT Vanderbilt (a project, like Wand)
#188- Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut (I'm tired of Banks)
#227- Atari Bigby (love the name, likes to hit)

:thumbup

DRIFTAWAY
04-16-2005, 03:51 PM
really like those picks blue, although i woulda looked for o-line help with #73 instead of Seward, and Shelton might be of more use to us than Barber.

Hottoddie
04-16-2005, 06:28 PM
1) Cedric Benson (RB) - McClain makes a very good argument. If Miami takes a QB, Benson could slip to us.

2) Justin Tuck (OLB) - If the Texans are considering converting Merriman/Ware from DE to OLB, then they might select Tuck in the 2nd round. Assuming, of course, they get Benson with the 13th pick.

3a) Chris Spencer (C) - He's considered one of the best center prospects in the nation & would eventually take over for McKinney. Taking Spencer should yield instant results on the OL, because with competition, McKinney's performance should improve dramatically.

3b) Jerome Mathis (WR) - Speed to burn & good hands. Would make a sweet #2 WR, if he's still on the board. If not, then take Courtney Roby.

4) Sione Pouha (DT) - I think Pouha will be gone before this pick, but if he's still there, I'm taking him. Other alternatives at this pick would be Jerome Collins (TE), Adam Snyder (OT), Rob Petitti (OT), or a LB.

5) Jerome Collins (TE) - The Texans haven't given up on Joppru, but it's time to get some insurance. Collins has good speed, good hands, & is an excellent blocker. He's just what the doctor ordered.

6) Patrick Body (FS) - This kid is an incredible prospect. Coleman will be 31 y/o next month. It's time to start grooming a replacement.

7) Jerron Wishom (CB) - If he can stay healthy, he could be the steal of the century at this spot.

MikeMc
04-16-2005, 09:29 PM
So if the Texans "wait" and get an OT next season, then there would be a downfall (presumably) in the protection, seeing that a Rookie would be starting at T? If there is an Elite OT (or 2 or 3), and the Texans have more progression as they have had the past 3 seasons, then they might be looking at a first round pick in the bottom half of the round. This would mean that any OT they get would be of the second tier variety, not the Elite guys you speak of.

I don't like playing the, "next year's XX crop will be better" game, just look at what is needed now and what is available now. No one knows what will happen next season.

beerlover
04-16-2005, 09:38 PM
not bad Hottoddie.

I really like Sione Pouha at the 4th pick, thanks for the confirmation. he is a beast, and mature enough to play a signifcant role should Payne not be able to go 100%.

Jerome Mathis might make a solid #2 & in the 3rd would be sweet.

Spencer signifies a large investment top of the 3rd (via Dallas for Henson) but your addressing the O-Line as a dire need to add talent & youth so you certainly get mad props for that.

If Tuck sliped that far wow! and with Jerome Collins that makes 2 golden domers.

Last but not least Cedric Benson falling into the Texan laps :confused: giddy are we :jumpbanan

Bubbajwp
04-16-2005, 10:16 PM
next years draft class is much stronger at LT

beerlover
04-16-2005, 10:18 PM
next years draft class is much stronger at LT

Andrew Whitworth, 6-6, 325, LSU
Max Jean-Gilles, 6-4, 340, Georgia
Eric Winston, 6-6, 310, Miami (XK)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, 6-5, 295, Virginia
Jon Scott, 6-6, 305, Texas
Marcus McNeill, 6-9, 340, Auburn
Jami Hightower, 6-4, 355, Texas A&M
Adam Stenavich, 6-5, 315, Michigan

astrofan
04-17-2005, 02:12 AM
13 ILB/OLB David Pollack
47 WR Matt Jones
73 OG Evan Mathis
78 OL Logan Mankins
114 ILB Matt McCoy
151 NT/DE Sione Pouha
188 ILB Boomer Grigsby
227 SS Matt Grootegoed

Tried to stick to draftcountdown
Do they really not have Grootegoed rated in the top 250? Or did I just miss his name? If Troy P was a first rounder how can Matt G not be at least considered an early second day pick? Even Troy P will tell you that Matt G is better than he is...

Hottoddie
04-17-2005, 11:23 AM
not bad Hottoddie.


Thanks.

What's your opinion on taking Patrick Body (FS) & Jerron Wishom (CB) with the 6th & 7th round picks respectively?

PATRICK BODY (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/body_patrick)

At 6'1" 201lbs with a 4.26 40 yard dash & a 42" vertical, will Body still be available in the 6th round?

JERRON WISHOM (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/wishom_jerron)

With him having a history of knee injuries, would it be worth taking a flyer on Wishom with the 7th round pick?

bckey
04-17-2005, 11:52 AM
1-Pacman Jones-cb
2-David Baas-og/c
3a-Terrence Murphy-wr
3b-Logan Mankins-og
4-Eric Shelton-rb
5-Darrell Shropshire-dt
6-Derrick Wake-olb
7-Jonathan Jackson-de/olb

Ibar_Harry
04-17-2005, 02:00 PM
I'm happy some others are finally picking up on Mankins. He could be one of the steals of the draft for someone. While he played LT, he's projected at Guard in the NFL. I think he will be hard to keep out of the lineup even in his 1st year. He's just is a quality player with a lot of heart and a mean streak. He's a very tough player and he protected Carr. David knows him well. I would have to think CC knows of Mankins and how good he is. The guy was a big part of last year's team at Fresno. The cream rises to the top and this is one of those guys that just keeps rising no matter what level he plays in. In fact he might be the best of the O-linemen if you consider heart, smarts and desire, not just potential talent. He always comes to play and gives 110 %.

My only other comment is that we must draft someone to come in and fill the Center position on this team. As so many others have stated, the line can't form a pocket without that position being fixed. McKinny is a liability at that position. He can not handle the position and I don't know why you never see any moves to fix this position. He seems to be the darling of the team for whatever reason.

Dunta_23
04-17-2005, 03:01 PM
1a. Carlos Rogers
2b.(trade back into round 1 possibly with GB) Demarcus Ware
4. Eric Shelton
5. BPA on OL, DL, WR
6. BPA on OL, DL, WR
7. Project QB, WR, RB

threetoedpete
04-18-2005, 09:07 AM
19. From the Rams Justin Miller - CB/KR
47. Darryl Blackstock - ILB
50. From the Rams Luis Castillo - DT
73. Evan Mathis - OG
78. Courtney Robey - WR
114. Joe Dreesen - TE
150. Derek Wake - OLB
188. Jason Jefferson - DT
215. Walter Reyes - RB

Very nice. I could live with this. Believe Dreesen will be a supply and demand guy though. Only a hnadfull of TE's in the draft. Might make it to the fourth round.


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I don't like playing the, "next year's XX crop will be better" game, just look at what is needed now and what is available now. No one knows what will happen next season."

Mike agreed. But what you gonna do if he doesn't pan out. If he can't run block ? Now you got two day one picks struggeling. The crop next year looks very nice. The texas Kid I believe is going to be a stud. My vote for what it's worth is to hold our water for an Bosselli/Ogdan/Pace guy. If they do take Barron like all the Guru's are saying I will live with it. Won't be no whining from me. Gotta believe the scouts know what they're doing.


Agreed Ref nice post. My thoughts exactly. I can see Billacick taking Bass. Round Peg in a round whole. The worst thing would be to toss the dice on what we have on the current roster. Long injury would kill them.

threetoedpete
04-18-2005, 09:15 AM
My dreams picks for the Texans in the first 3 rounds. No trades

Round 1: OT Alex Barron, Florida State. Seth wand has to be upgraded, and Barron is the best LT prospect in the draft.
Round 2: OLB Darryl Blackstock, Virginia. The pass rush has to be upgraded, and this guy is a freak.
Round 3a: DT Luis Castillo, Northwestern. If his off field problems cause him to slide to the third, we should pick him up.
Round 3b: S Donte Nicholson, Oklahoma. SS is the weak link in an otherwise strong secondary, and this guy could fix that problem.

Nice picks. We're argueing about Barron. Believe the team is quite satisfied with Glen Earl at strong safty. Wand I believe deserves the second year. Alot of kids have trouble making the jump from college to the pros. The argument is : is there a signifcant up grade with Barron over Wand to justify sacrificing a playmaker in the defense for. My vote is no. But if we ended up with this crop I'd be a happy camper. Don't beleive they'll take a safty this high unless it is to convert to LB. JMHO.

threetoedpete
04-18-2005, 09:31 AM
My ideal draft...

TRADE PICKS #13 to St. Louis- we move down to #19 and get their 3rd round pick #66 overall)

#19- David Pollack DE/OLB Georgia (QB sacks are THE priority this year)
#47- David Baas C/OG Michigan (big boost to sagging interior line)
#66- Marion Barber III RB Minnesota (a basher with speed)
#73- Adam Seward LB UNLV (great speed, prototype ILB for 3-4)
#78- Ronald Bartell CB Howard (great speed + quickness)
#114- Fred Gibson WR Georgia (could be a steal this low)
#151- Justin Geisinger OT Vanderbilt (a project, like Wand)
#188- Dan Orlovsky QB Connecticut (I'm tired of Banks)
#227- Atari Bigby (love the name, likes to hit)

:thumbup

Nice. I luv the guy, High motor, never say die has ton's of ablity...great off the feild/ locker room guy. But with those arms Pollack will never be a great pass rusher in the 3-4. He was born to be a de in the 4-3. That's just the way it is. His weapon is his first step and he needs to be as close as possible to the OT to use it. Not standing up in the 3-4. Just can't see them doing this unless they plan to move to 4-3 on passing downs. Makes no sense to me. But hey, might happen, Never know. Luv the rest of your picks though.

canadiantexan
04-18-2005, 03:00 PM
Trade pick#13 to the Rams for #19 and #66
Trade Pick #73 and 78 along with our fourth to a team in need of depth with a low 2nd rounder(like Niners or Browns) for their 2nd rounder.
1a) David Pollack or Spears if still there.-Helps fix pass rush.
2a) David Baas C/G -will replace our weakest O-line spot(C) next year after a year of spot work as guard.
2b) Justin Miller CB/KR- Glenns future replacement should give our speacial teams the "big play" threat it's missing.
3) Luis Castillo DL- After the combine scandal he could drop to the third, if so should we grab him? or do we go WR here.
4) Eric Shelton RB- give DD a little healthy competition. Similair backs should push each other.
5) Nick Kazur OT- maybe a little undersized for NFL, LT but being a tremendous athlete should help him with his foot speed and tenasity he should be a very good NFL, RT. Great value here.

I know I did not take a WR but with Bradford back we will probably will not take one although I hope we do.
Also I might have been able to get the Rams 2nd instead of third if so I would have sent it along with the cowboys 3rd and our 4th to Denver for the 25th overall and would have taken Matt jones.

cadahnic
04-18-2005, 03:42 PM
Trade #13 to Redskins for #9 and #78 and next year's 5th rounder (only if DJ is available does this trade happen, also we will get compensation picks next year due to the losses we will sustain in FA)
WE ADD SPEED IN THIS DRAFT

#9- Derrick Johnson- Dont have to say anything
#47- David Baas or Adam Terry- I think Baas will be gone, but Terry can play either tackle position or guard
#73- Jerome Mathis- speedster who can have an immediate impact as a return man, think Steve Smith for Carolina but faster
#114- Eric Shelton- We are great at getting value runners, even though I would prefer Vincent Jackson to Play Tight End, He is the next Antonio Gates people
#151- Andre Maddox- a StrongSafety that no one is talking about ran a 4.46 and a very fast short shuttle, played CB for two years at N.C. then added 15lbs and moved to safety
#188- Stanford Routt- He is a UH prospect with freaky speed he is in the top 5 of fastest players in this draft. He is a project but he can return and help in our secondary
#215-Albert Means- a huge Nose Tackle to give us depth

canadiantexan
04-18-2005, 04:59 PM
Trade #13 to Redskins for #9 and #78 and next year's 5th rounder (only if DJ is available does this trade happen, also we will get compensation picks next year due to the losses we will sustain in FA)
WE ADD SPEED IN THIS DRAFT

#9- Derrick Johnson- Dont have to say anything
#47- David Baas or Adam Terry- I think Baas will be gone, but Terry can play either tackle position or guard
#73- Jerome Mathis- speedster who can have an immediate impact as a return man, think Steve Smith for Carolina but faster
#114- Eric Shelton- We are great at getting value runners, even though I would prefer Vincent Jackson to Play Tight End, He is the next Antonio Gates people
#151- Andre Maddox- a StrongSafety that no one is talking about ran a 4.46 and a very fast short shuttle, played CB for two years at N.C. then added 15lbs and moved to safety
#188- Stanford Routt- He is a UH prospect with freaky speed he is in the top 5 of fastest players in this draft. He is a project but he can return and help in our secondary
#215-Albert Means- a huge Nose Tackle to give us depth


If we do trade up(and I'm not sold we should) this is a excellent draft. D.J in the first would be an absaloute thrill and the only guy worthy(for Texans) to trade up for.
Baas is a guy I really want. I have made no bones about the fact I think McKinney is our biggest O-Line problem and this would fix that for the next 7-10 years, Terry would also be an upgrade.
Mathis is the kind of #2 receiver that could open things up nice pick!
The only thing I dont agree with is Maddox I think we will really know about Earl after this year and he has earned himself a spot until proven otherwise.
Although I guess you could make a case against that.
No OT? but then again there does not seem to be any worthy but what about depth.
All and all I would love to see that draft this year and then sit back and watch the playoffs come to back to Houston.

The Preacher
04-19-2005, 11:00 AM
Trade #13 to Philly so they can draft Williamson.

#31 C/G David Baas-Future rock in middle of line
#35 WR Reggie Brown-underrated at this point the kids a gamer
#47 CB Corey Webster-seventh cb taken he falls because of depth
#73 DT Ronald Fields-must address future of d-line this is a good place to start
#78 ILB Matt McCoy- You want a guy with his attitude leading your D at ILB.
#114 G Scott Young-needs a little time but has big upside potential.
#151 DT Tim Bulman-another guy you want on your side could be DE IN 3-4
#188 WR Tony Brown-a steal at this point

threetoedpete
04-19-2005, 12:17 PM
Trade #13 to Philly so they can draft Williamson.

#31 C/G David Baas-Future rock in middle of line
#35 WR Reggie Brown-underrated at this point the kids a gamer
#47 CB Corey Webster-seventh cb taken he falls because of depth
#73 DT Ronald Fields-must address future of d-line this is a good place to start
#78 ILB Matt McCoy- You want a guy with his attitude leading your D at ILB.
#114 G Scott Young-needs a little time but has big upside potential.
#151 DT Tim Bulman-another guy you want on your side could be DE IN 3-4
#188 WR Tony Brown-a steal at this point


I could live with this. Only two nit picks I got is no RB. And I would expect the return for the move down to be greater. Not to pick up more guys we have to cut in August, but to give is some ammunition to stock pile picks for '06. Assuming Wand doesn't work out, they'll need the ammo for '06. Webster looks to be this years Batman. I wonder how high he goes satuarday ? I had Brown in the 4th. I like him. You're porbably got the right slot though.

Corrosion
04-19-2005, 10:30 PM
Rd 1. Mark Clayton , WR , Oklahoma
Rd 2. Mike Patterson , DT , USC
Rd 3. Robert McCune , ILB , Louisville
Rd 3. Adam Bergen , TE , Lehigh
Rd 4. Vince Carter , C , Oklahoma
RD 5. Stanford Routt , CB , Houston
RD 6. Maurice Clarett , RB , Ohio St.
Rd 7. Ryan Fitzpatrick , QB , Harvard

royce1054
04-20-2005, 10:52 AM
Trade #13 to Philly so they can draft Williamson.

#31 C/G David Baas-Future rock in middle of line
#35 WR Reggie Brown-underrated at this point the kids a gamer
#47 CB Corey Webster-seventh cb taken he falls because of depth
#73 DT Ronald Fields-must address future of d-line this is a good place to start
#78 ILB Matt McCoy- You want a guy with his attitude leading your D at ILB.
#114 G Scott Young-needs a little time but has big upside potential.
#151 DT Tim Bulman-another guy you want on your side could be DE IN 3-4
#188 WR Tony Brown-a steal at this point

I would be happy with this. I do however think there might be a running back. I think fields could step into the rotation. McCoy will prob make the Special teams. Young would be a backup as well as Baas. Brown would be #2 WR. Bulman and Brown would have 2 fight for roster spots as the way i see it

beerlover
04-20-2005, 11:56 AM
post your picks of the Texans 2005 Draft here, lets see who can predict the newest Texans :cool:

beerlovers picks-

Demarcus Ware

Rosco Parrish

Stanley Wilson

Matt McCoy

Sione Pouha

Claude Terrell

Frank Gore

Junis Coston

Demarcus Ware

Matt McCoy

Sione Pouha

Claude Terrell

Frank Gore

Junis Coston

MojoMan
04-20-2005, 12:30 PM
Now that #47 & #78 have been traded to Oakland for Philip Buchanon, I predict that Houston trades #13 & #73 to Arizona for their #8. This leaves us with:

(1) #8 - Derrick Johnson, LB - Texas
(4) #114 - Lorenzo Alexander, DT - California
(5) #151 - Dan Buennig, OG, Wisconsin
(6) #188 - David McMillan, DE/OLB - Kansas
(7) #227 - Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB - Harvard

beerlover
04-22-2005, 10:11 AM
Shawne Merriman, OLB or Marcus Spears, DE

Matt McCoy, ILB or Nick Kazur, OG

Sione Pouha, NT or Scott Mruczkwskie, OC

Eric Shelton, RB or Jonathan Welsh, OLB

Kirk Morrison, ILB or Gerald Sensabaugh, FS

Albert Means, DT or Junis Coston, OC

royce1054
04-22-2005, 11:00 AM
Now that #47 & #78 have been traded to Oakland for Philip Buchanon, I predict that Houston trades #13 & #73 to Arizona for their #8. This leaves us with:

(1) #8 - Derrick Johnson, LB - Texas
(4) #114 - Lorenzo Alexander, DT - California
(5) #151 - Dan Buennig, OG, Wisconsin
(6) #188 - David McMillan, DE/OLB - Kansas
(7) #227 - Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB - Harvard

I dont know how much i like only having 1 day 1 draft pick. Johnson is good but not worth losing our last 3rd rounder.

beerlover
04-24-2005, 04:16 AM
Demarcus Ware- #10 to Dallas

Rosco Parrish- #55 to Buffalo

Stanley Wilson- #72 to Detroit

Matt McCoy- #63 to Philidelphia

Sione Pouha- #88 to Jets

Claude Terrell

Frank Gore

Junis Coston

before the pb trade & results so far of actual draft, so far only Rosco Parrish would have been available :bag:

beerlover
04-24-2005, 04:24 AM
Shawne Merriman, OLB- #12 Chargers or Marcus Spears, DE- #20 Dallas

Matt McCoy, ILB- #63 Eagles or Nick Kazur, OG- #100 Pats

Sione Pouha, NT- #88 Jets or Scott Mruczkwskie, OC

Eric Shelton, RB- #54 Panthers :shocked or Jonathan Welsh, OLB

Kirk Morrison, ILB- #78 Raiders or Gerald Sensabaugh, FS

Albert Means, DT or Junis Coston, OC

results so far went Travis Johnson instead of Marcus Spears, Vernand Morency RB instead of Nick Kazur :bag: