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TexansTrueFan
04-15-2005, 12:02 AM
Ya know alot of you say that players like R. Drougns, S. Alexander or heck even Cedric Benson are better than D.D because better YPC, more rushing yards, TDs etc well for those of you who compare i have to say that is like comparing

A ford f-150 4*4 with mudding tires, to a Ford f-150 4*4 with standard street tires,,,which one do you think will go through more mudd ? See the truck can have all the tools but wont go very far without the right tires.

(TRUCK RUNNING BACK-------TIRES O-LINE)

yall understand any of that ? lol

YodAa
04-15-2005, 12:12 AM
O its like

comparing a monkey who has lots of fleas and has to scrath him self a lot to a monkey with no fleas so if this monkey scrathes then he won't get very far because he has no fleas (monkey-RB) (Fleas-OL)

TexansTrueFan
04-15-2005, 12:14 AM
O its like

comparing a monkey who has lots of fleas and has to scrath him self a lot to a monkey with no fleas so if this monkey scrathes then he won't get very far because he has no fleas (monkey-RB) (Fleas-OL)


haha yeah not bad, i use alot of metaphors. bad habit i think :hmmm:

Grid
04-15-2005, 01:43 AM
The main complaint against DD isnt his tires.. its the fact that you have to take him to the shop every two weeks.

Corrosion
04-15-2005, 02:05 AM
The main complaint against DD isnt his tires.. its the fact that you have to take him to the shop every two weeks.


How many RB's play 16 games and take the majority of the carries in the NFL in this day and age . Most teams have at least two solid backs now and their top back's dont get 30 touches a game combined rushing / passing . That said , the Texans are fine w/ DD , they just need another quality back to take some of his touches .


I kinda liken RB's today to starting pitchers of years gone by , outside the abberation of the Marlins staff this year the complete game is somewhat of a rarity in todays MLB , Saves ..... a pitcher would pitch 3 innings now they just come in to close out the 9th. RB's in general are the same way , most of the starters come out on 3rd down for a specialist . Not many players like Earl Campbell , Franco Harris and Walter Peyton around in todays game . Those guy's got 30+ touches a game and did it week in week out for the duration of the season .

Grid
04-15-2005, 02:10 AM
our RBs dont get 30 touches a game either... but

Bengals
Bears
Pats
Dolphins (with ricky williams)
Ravens (with whats his name.. the guy in jail)
Carolina (with stevens or whatever)


It is true that RBs get hurt.. its not easy to put in 16 games a year when you get 20+ carries a game. But Davis has not put up a full season yet.

I understand what you are saying.. that we have no one to take some of the load off of DD.. but he has still shown that he is a bit fragile. Heck.. its not like he only gets injured at the end of the season. So you cant really blame it on the wear and tear of being the only RB.

Corrosion
04-15-2005, 02:58 AM
DD played in 15 games this past season , yes he was injuried but he still avg'd 20.1 rushing attempts and 4.5 reception's per game . Thats 24.6 touches per game .

Here's his stats for the season , both rushing and recieving .

games 15 , rushing attempts 302 attempts per game 20.1

rushing yards 1188 avg per att. 3.9 long 44 ypg 79.2 TD 13

receptions 68 , rec. yards 588 ypg 39.2 long 39 avg 8.6 TD 1

rec. game 4.5

Only nine RB's who played in 15 or more games avg'd 20+ carries
only TWO RB's avg'd 4+ receptions per game .

That is pretty elite company .

In week two against the Lions DD had 25 carries for 78 yards and 11 receptions for 95 yards . Incidentally this is also the game in which he had TWO fumbles . Thats a total of 36 touches which is entirely too many . The following week he was injuried after only 5 carries .

BornOrange
04-15-2005, 09:19 AM
In week two against the Lions DD had 25 carries for 78 yards and 11 receptions for 95 yards . Incidentally this is also the game in which he had TWO fumbles . Thats a total of 36 touches which is entirely too many . The following week he was injuried after only 5 carries .
I may have a faulty memory after a few months, but weren't both fumbles early in the game?

When he was fresh?

infantrycak
04-15-2005, 09:47 AM
I may have a faulty memory after a few months, but weren't both fumbles early in the game?

When he was fresh?

One came toward the end of the 1st quarter and one came toward the beginning of the 3rd quarter. JMO but too many touches had nothing to do with DD's fumbles in the 1st two games. The team as a whole was keyed up and pressing too hard. Carr fumbled several times and threw several interceptions trying to make things happen and DD fumbled trying to go for yards after contact.

cadahnic
04-15-2005, 09:49 AM
I would like him to play up to his ability all year instead of just at the end of the season. But DD is one of the more dangerous backs in the league, because he can do it all. Unfortunately he does not have homerun speed, and that is the major problem with him, because he gets into the endzone if the call the right play.

jr0ck
04-15-2005, 11:29 PM
Rank----Player-------Team---Yds---Att---Avg---TDs---Long
1-----Curtis Martin----NYJ----1697--371---4.6---12-----25
2-----Shaun Alexander-SEA---1696---353--4.8 --16-----44
3-----Corey Dillon-------NE---1635---345--4.7---12-----44
4------Edgerrin James---IND---1548--334--4.6----9------40
5------Tiki Barber--------NYG--1518--322--4.7---13-----72
6------Rudi Johnson------CIN--1454---361--4.0---12----52
7------LaDainian Tomlinson-SD-1335---339--3.9---17-----42
8------Clinton Portis------WAS-1315--343---3.8----5----64
9------Reuben Droughns---DEN-1240---275--4.5----6----51
10-----Fred Taylor---------JAC-1224--260--4.7-----2----46
11-----Domanick Davis-----HOU-1188---302-3.9----13 ----44

six out of eleven backs say "i don't need a run over 44 yards (aka a 'homerun threat') to be in the top thirteen backs in the league"...just sick of this videogame/unrealistic mentality of 'homerun threat' backs blah blah blah...

Wolf
04-15-2005, 11:53 PM
only thing I can comment on and nothing against DD... but why is it that when he has a good game ..we most likely lose? (i.e. he handles the ball a bunch)

wags
04-16-2005, 12:05 AM
only thing I can comment on and nothing against DD... but why is it that when he has a good game ..we most likely lose? (i.e. he handles the ball a bunch)

Probably because we lose the majority of our games. Our 3 year record is 16-32. That's pretty good odds for a loss. I think I'm going to start a thread that points out when David Carr starts, we lose. :heh:

TexansTrueFan
04-16-2005, 12:49 AM
Probably because we lose the majority of our games. Our 3 year record is 16-32. That's pretty good odds for a loss. I think I'm going to start a thread that points out when David Carr starts, we lose. :heh:


haha yes i get sick of hearing about how when D.D does good we lose, well if we all think so highly od david carr why when he plays good sometimes we also lose. Very true Wags !

Wolf
04-16-2005, 12:55 AM
IMO ...Teams know DD can't hurt them.. AJ can...so they take the ball out of AJ's hands by letting us dump it to DD all day long or let DD run the ball..
If DD was such a threat ...when we handed the ball off /dump it off.. teams would bring 8 into the box to stop him.. That would open up AJ from the double team that he receives.... That doesn't happen...

I am not blaming DD for the loses.. I jsut know that our opponents focus isn't on stopping DD.. when is the last time you heard that? ...now keeping AJ from getting a slant pattern and go the distance... that is the discussion

TexansTrueFan
04-16-2005, 01:04 AM
well lets get another WR threat, let the o-line continue their solid run blocking from the end of last season and it will all even out, Davis can have decent games,,,AJ wont be pressured so much and Carr will have another good WR he can look for,,,see problem solved :)

D-ReK
04-16-2005, 01:11 AM
I finally realized the main reason we should get another standout receiver (probably a 2nd rounder since word is Williamson will probably be gone by 13)...The reason we should get another guy is that the secondaries of the AFC South are very weak, and if we had two good receivers, then we'd be at an instant advantage half of the season...

gg no re
04-16-2005, 09:53 PM
It's not really an advantage... it's to prevent being taken advantage of.

After all, them dirty Colts are making everyone in the AFC South NEED 3 high-quality DBs.

infantrycak
04-17-2005, 11:08 PM
IMO ...Teams know DD can't hurt them.. AJ can...so they take the ball out of AJ's hands by letting us dump it to DD all day long or let DD run the ball..
If DD was such a threat ...when we handed the ball off /dump it off.. teams would bring 8 into the box to stop him.. That would open up AJ from the double team that he receives.... That doesn't happen...

Oh my god. You mean a #3 draft pick is a bigger threat than a 4th round RB. Hold on the earth is about to shatter. No offense, but AJ is and always will be the biggest threat even if Jamal Lewis was on the team. That is to a degree the role of a RB--a RB gashes you for 6 or 15 yards, a WR gashes you for 45. Sure either can "go the distance" but all things equal, a WR like AJ must always be concentrated on. The fact he is potentially a great one doesn't detract from whoever is the RB.

Dime
04-17-2005, 11:32 PM
Oh my god. You mean a #3 draft pick is a bigger threat than a 4th round RB. Hold on the earth is about to shatter. No offense, but AJ is and always will be the biggest threat even if Jamal Lewis was on the team. That is to a degree the role of a RB--a RB gashes you for 6 or 15 yards, a WR gashes you for 45. Sure either can "go the distance" but all things equal, a WR like AJ must always be concentrated on. The fact he is potentially a great one doesn't detract from whoever is the RB.

I have to disagree to an extent. RB is a powerful position if done right. For Example, Barry Sanders would have been the 'keyed' on even if AJ was on the team. In this league, it is the person who is the most dangerous to break away is the one keyed on. I would take a Barry, or Ricky Williams (before his mental probs), Faulk (when he was younger), Holmes, and a few others before I would take a AJ. Why? To make AJ work, you have to have several things to work. Good protection for a QB, A good read by a QB, a good throw by a QB, a good awareness by a WR, and a good catch by a WR. But for a RB, it might be a handoff and a good block from the oline to set the wheels in motion. At times, a RB must protect the QB SO he can get it to the WR.

Each has its place, but for me.. RB is more important then WR.

infantrycak
04-17-2005, 11:48 PM
Each has its place, but for me.. RB is more important then WR.

You're missing my point. To a degree a RB is more important because he will always touch the ball more than a WR will. BUT, AJ is special--not just #3 special, but special period. So long as he is with the Texans, he will be the focus of the opposition. Sure a good running game will help him, but IMO he is that special/good that it will take a Payton/Smith/Sanders to take the focus off him and frankly that is just unrealistic. So, let's enjoy a solid/cheap back and watching AJ beat double coverage.

Lucky
04-18-2005, 12:07 AM
only thing I can comment on and nothing against DD... but why is it that when he has a good game ..we most likely lose? (i.e. he handles the ball a bunch)
Because the Texans haven't had a very good team the past 2 years? Think of Davis what you will, but you can't hang a loss on him for having a good game. San Diego was 17-31 in Tomlinson's 1st 3 seasons. He had plenty of good games during losses.

Why is Davis getting the touches? Because a) Carr doesn't have time to look downfield and dumps it to DD & b) Palmer doesn't have confidence in the pass protection and calls running plays on 2nd & long. It all comes back to getting guys blocked.

Is Davis the type of back who can carry a team to the playoffs? No. But there aren't a lot of guys like that in the league, period. Actually, I can't think of even one. And there's not one in this draft, either. But Davis isn't going to lose games for you (unless those fumbles resurface). He could certainly use some help to lessen the load, but Domanick doesn't need to be replaced.

wags
04-18-2005, 12:11 AM
He could certainly use some help to lessen the load, but Domanick doesn't need to be replaced.

Agree. Davis has been a great pick.

Wolf
04-18-2005, 12:17 AM
Because the Texans haven't had a very good team the past 2 years? Think of Davis what you will, but you can't hang a loss on him for having a good game. San Diego was 17-31 in Tomlinson's 1st 3 seasons. He had plenty of good games during losses.

Why is Davis getting the touches? Because a) Carr doesn't have time to look downfield and dumps it to DD & b) Palmer doesn't have confidence in the pass protection and calls running plays on 2nd & long. It all comes back to getting guys blocked.

Is Davis the type of back who can carry a team to the playoffs? No. But there aren't a lot of guys like that in the league, period. Actually, I can't think of even one. And there's not one in this draft, either. But Davis isn't going to lose games for you (unless those fumbles resurface). He could certainly use some help to lessen the load, but Domanick doesn't need to be replaced.


agreed... but he isn't a back to make a defense change their gameplan either.. we have seen this for 2 years.. AJ is doubled and no matter what DD does they still play the cover 2 ..Defenses don't fear DD beating them.. that is the bottom line

Lucky
04-18-2005, 12:39 AM
agreed... but he isn't a back to make a defense change their gameplan either...
But how many backs do that, anyway? LT, maybe Portis, Jamal Lewis if healthy? Put guys like Shaun Alexander, or even Priest Holmes on the Texans and that doesn't automatically punch their ticket to the playoffs. These guys are in balanced offenses with solid lines. What kind of numbers do they get on the Texans?

Teams have won with backs much worse than Davis & teams have lost with better backs. But teams that can't protect the QB don't win. Fix that and a lot of these questions regarding Davis & the #2 WR go away.

DocBar
04-18-2005, 01:05 AM
DD is built a lot like Emmitt Smith. Everyone said the same things about both.Too small, too short, too light, can't take the pounding. Emmitt Smith ran all of his critics(and a lot of defenses) in the ground. EVERY NFL player plays through injuries.The great ones don't just play(or sit out), they EXCELL when hurt. How many times have we seen a great athlete with an injury or illness come out and have a career day? DD has the potential to be a great back in this league, but does he have the heart and desire? That makes all the difference in the world.
With about 50% of the offense going thru DD, I'd have to say that oppossing defenses are well aware of where he is on the field. DD is a damned good back. I just wonder about his ability/desire to play through pain. Big difference between pain and injury.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 05:53 PM
I feel he has the desire to just not the ahtletisism to. the man goes out there and plays his heart out and im not questioning that i like davis alot. but im not convinced either if hes goin to be a great, but with that said i dont think teams look for him on the feild as much as AJ and we all know the Jags didnt when he tore it up for wat 203 yards total offense from line of scrimmage? but yea i agree teams know where he is

TheOgre
04-19-2005, 06:08 PM
What is it that Mark Twain said about statistics?

DD has a good YPC, but I view him as merely an average back. His statistics are skewed IMO. Teams are basically going to a Cover 2 and rolling a double-team to AJ. They are essentially going with a long pass prevention defense. They are encouraging us to run. This results in a nice average for DD, but fewer big plays in either the rushing game or the passing game. Essentially teams are letting us move between the 30's. We get some nice yardage totals, but we fail to turn those into scores frequently enough. The defensive plan has worked on the average. Why else would so many teams employee it against us?

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 06:12 PM
yah true i agree to an extent but i dont think that DD isnt just useless either like whats the point with havin any other bak behind out o line at this point and if there runnin the defense u just said wat bak would perform any better than DD

DocBar
04-19-2005, 06:55 PM
yah true i agree to an extent but i dont think that DD isnt just useless either like whats the point with havin any other bak behind out o line at this point and if there runnin the defense u just said wat bak would perform any better than DD
HUH?? I don't understand what you said.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 07:01 PM
haha sry typing to fast wat im sayin is, what does it matter if its DD or Portis behind our O Line, and with the defense theorge explained if it were portis gettin good ypc but still unable to turn it into 6. thats what im sayin, doesnt matter if it were DD or portis still would be in the same position till our line picks up better runblockin and our offese either 1 finds a better 2nd wr threat. 2 is less predictable or 3 we sign ealr cammble lol or how ever u spell it

DocBar
04-19-2005, 07:34 PM
I see said the blind man. And mostly agree with it.

TopTexanFan16
04-19-2005, 08:26 PM
Hope that sums it up a bit haha

DocBar
04-19-2005, 08:36 PM
Yeah, it does. I'm really looking forward to this season. IMO, we will show marked improvement on O. EVEN THE LINE!!!!! Remember...it's a 5 yr plan, not a 4 yr plan.

TexansTrueFan
04-20-2005, 03:11 AM
i see the O-Line having a solid year, and about half way through the season seeing most of you say "i knew it all along" about Davis. You know we can talk about how we need a WR to take pressure off of A.J or how we need a running back to do it. The fact is why do you think we gave up so many passing yards last season ? Its because our D-Line could never get any pressure and QBs would pick us apart. We will have the same result once Carr gets consistent time to throw the ball. So bringing in another RB wont do much, if any good. So we need to stick with what we have, plus a year ago werent people saying we might have the next great trio in Carr, AJ and DD like Dallas had in Aikman, Smith, Irvin ???