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Hervoyel
03-25-2011, 05:12 PM
Classic, the Texans are probably the only team in the NFL who could lose a starting corner and former first round pick, clearly be in deep trouble at his position the next season, and then get awarded almost nothing as compensation. Do you think if the Eagles, Colts, or Patriots had been in this exact same position the pick would have been a 7th rounder? No big deal though, we're on the right track and Bob McNair isn't going to do anything "crazy".

http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html?plckItemsPerPage=50&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:08f2d66a-099d-45b3-8d6a-4288efa2e3ae

Carr Bombed
03-25-2011, 05:21 PM
I expected about a 4th round pick, but oh well, it's not like it matters.. When our brain trust is drafting a 4th round pick has about the same chance at success as a 7th round pick.

IDEXAN
03-25-2011, 05:23 PM
Say What ! That's all we get for D-Rob ? What a rip-off !
BTW Hervy, are you still unbeaten vs Wet-Paper bags ?

IDEXAN
03-25-2011, 05:25 PM
I expected about a 4th round pick, but oh well, it's not like it matters.. When our brain trust is drafting a 4th round pick has about the same chance at success as a 7th round pick.
OD has only been worth a 7th round pick you say ?

PhilpW
03-25-2011, 05:27 PM
Dunta for Mr. Irrelevant, that's about right. Screw you Houston, love NFL.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2011, 05:33 PM
We did NOT get a compensatory pick for Dunta.

Every year, they award 32 compensatory picks throughout the draft. This year, 21 were given to teams for the loss of free agents, the other 11 are awarded at the end of the 7th round to each team in order that they draft. So the Texans have the 11th pick in the first, which means they got the 11th and final compensatory pick awarded.

Read about it here (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81ef2e1e/article/nfl-distributes-compensatory-draft-picks-to-23-clubs?module=HP_headlines)

HoustonFrog
03-25-2011, 05:33 PM
I expected about a 4th round pick, but oh well, it's not like it matters.. When our brain trust is drafting a 4th round pick has about the same chance at success as a 7th round pick.

4th Round is prime time TE range.

dc_txtech
03-25-2011, 05:41 PM
We did NOT get a compensatory pick for Dunta.

Every year, they award 32 compensatory picks throughout the draft. This year, 21 were given to teams for the loss of free agents, the other 11 are awarded at the end of the 7th round to each team in order that they draft. So the Texans have the 11th pick in the first, which means they got the 11th and final compensatory pick awarded.

Read about it here (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d81ef2e1e/article/nfl-distributes-compensatory-draft-picks-to-23-clubs?module=HP_headlines)

From your link it looks like KC got a 6th for Wade Smith.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2011, 05:58 PM
From your link it looks like KC got a 6th for Wade Smith.

It would appear that way, but I'm not sure if or how many free agents they signed last year.

ArlingtonTexan
03-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Well, does anyone else think it is fitting that we get Mr. Irrelevant.

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2011, 06:16 PM
Let's remember that the secretive compensatory pick formula is brought to you by the same league entity, "The NFL Management Council," that is responsible for negotiations related to the CBA with the NFLPA.

Dutchrudder
03-25-2011, 06:22 PM
Well, does anyone else think it is fitting that we get Mr. Irrelevant.

I'm glad with didn't spend $57 million on our own Mr. Irrelevant...

drs23
03-25-2011, 06:26 PM
Say What ! That's all we get for D-Rob ? What a rip-off !
BTW Hervy, are you still unbeaten vs Wet-Paper bags ?

My best Mutley: TsssHeee, TsssHeee. :D

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2011, 06:34 PM
Someone thought we got a helluva deal losing DR and gaining Wade Smith and Neil Rackers.

Carr Bombed
03-25-2011, 06:35 PM
OD has only been worth a 7th round pick you say ?

They've screwed up picks MUCH higher than that.

Carr Bombed
03-25-2011, 06:39 PM
Someone thought we got a helluva deal losing DR and gaining Wade Smith and Neil Rackers.

Either that or they're a Falcons fans and they saw how Dunta played in the playoffs.

Corrosion
03-25-2011, 06:42 PM
A 7th is more than I expected ....


At first I thought they might get a 3rd rounder out of the deal but was corrected by someone (cant recall who) so I researched it a bit and came to the conclusion we would get nothing at all ..... which is pretty much what they get in Mr Irrelevant ....

pbat488
03-25-2011, 07:05 PM
wade smith and neil rackers cancelled out the loss of dunta in the minds of whoever awards the compensatory picks.

mr. irrelevant is kinda nice though; gives us a talking point for the end of the draft!

Hervoyel
03-25-2011, 08:01 PM
Say What ! That's all we get for D-Rob ? What a rip-off !
BTW Hervy, are you still unbeaten vs Wet-Paper bags ?

Still hanging in there. They're getting tougher every year though.

It took me a little while to remember which thread that was in. Back on November 11th I was 260lbs (261 actually but who's counting... wait, I was!) In the 4 months or so that have passed I've dropped 30 pounds of that. Halfway to my goal of 200lbs. Maybe when I get down to my true fighting weight I'll have less trouble with these wet paper bags.

I'm trying to take it off slowly and avoiding the shortcuts. I'd like to keep it off once I've lost it and I'm not naturally inclined towards obesity. For most of this time I've been just eating less and haven't added much if any additional activity. Walking instead of driving, stairs instead of elevators and stuff like that. Just the past month I've added biking when I get home. I think I'm going to have to get more active to lose the next 30 pounds.

TimeKiller
03-25-2011, 08:10 PM
When I saw this, I thought it meant they traded a 7th FOR Dunta Robinson...

I nearly.....well.....

Norg
03-25-2011, 09:16 PM
Maybe for a 7th we can draft a really good Punter that could help us way more then Dunta ever did TUrk is getting old and our Special teams was a all time worst last year

The Pencil Neck
03-25-2011, 09:39 PM
Well, does anyone else think it is fitting that we get Mr. Irrelevant.

That will probably be one of our best draft picks EVAR.

CloakNNNdagger
03-25-2011, 09:48 PM
Maybe for a 7th we can draft a really good Punter that could help us way more then Dunta ever did TUrk is getting old and our Special teams was a all time worst last year

Baylor has a 6'3' 235 pound punter with a catapult leg that managed an ave. of 44.2 yds and 44.8 yds in the past 2 seasons. He's expected to go in the 6th or 7th round. Instant impact upgrade.

steelbtexan
03-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Lucky called this weeks ago.

It doesn't suprise me that Gary and Rick screwed this up.

We are talking about an Aggie with a Boilermaker.

Lucky
03-25-2011, 10:04 PM
It doesn't suprise me that Gary and Rick screwed this up.

Let's be fair to Smithiak. They improved the team with the Smith and Rackers signings. They screwed up almost everything else last offseason. But they got this right.

The Pencil Neck
03-25-2011, 10:19 PM
Lucky called this weeks ago.

It doesn't suprise me that Gary and Rick screwed this up.

We are talking about an Aggie with a Boilermaker.

So... you're saying we should have gone with Studdard and Kris Brown?

Texan_Bill
03-25-2011, 10:32 PM
Dunta???


I have no problem having lost this cancer!!: A) he ain't that great in coverage. B) While he was decent on the "run" he wasn't great!!!!


That said, Falcons fans aren't all that happy with his act, AND he's from that area...


****!! aka Dunta 23!!!!

Corrosion
03-25-2011, 11:45 PM
Dunta???


I have no problem having lost this cancer!!: A) he ain't that great in coverage. B) While he was decent on the "run" he wasn't great!!!!


That said, Falcons fans aren't all that happy with his act, AND he's from that area...


****!! akaPay_Me_Rick!!!!

Edited for clarity :specnatz:

mattieuk
03-25-2011, 11:57 PM
Wasn't the real reward with Dunta not having to epically overpay to keep his loud mouth in Houston?

A 7th round pick is just some extra gravy on the deal.

TEXANRED
03-26-2011, 01:31 AM
Classic, the Texans are probably the only team in the NFL who could lose a starting corner and former first round pick, clearly be in deep trouble at his position the next season, and then get awarded almost nothing as compensation. Do you think if the Eagles, Colts, or Patriots had been in this exact same position the pick would have been a 7th rounder? No big deal though, we're on the right track and Bob McNair isn't going to do anything "crazy".

http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html?plckItemsPerPage=50&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:08f2d66a-099d-45b3-8d6a-4288efa2e3ae

This is validation and conformation of DRob's worth. Apparently everyone BUT the Falcons recognize it.

Malloy
03-26-2011, 02:24 AM
Wasn't the real reward with Dunta not having to epically overpay to keep his loud mouth in Houston?

A 7th round pick is just some extra gravy on the deal.

My thoughts exactly :)

SAMURAITEXAN
03-26-2011, 04:31 AM
Someone thought we got a helluva deal losing DR and gaining Wade Smith and Neil Rackers.

I don't know how they calculate the FA losing value but, this sound simple enough. Losing 1 starter to FA and gaining 2 starter from FA no matter where they got drafted, a starter is a starter. +1 starter for us. They value Dunta a little more than Wade and Neil together? Which ain't so bad deal to me.

Go Texans!!!

CloakNNNdagger
03-26-2011, 07:55 AM
I don't know how they calculate the FA losing value but, this sound simple enough. Losing 1 starter to FA and gaining 2 starter from FA no matter where they got drafted, a starter is a starter. +1 starter for us. They value Dunta a little more than Wade and Neil together? Which ain't so bad deal to me.

Go Texans!!!

Just saying that DR was overated first by the Texans, then by the Falcons.

Now if it were Aso.......in exchange for Rackers and Smith, we might have been able to build a whole team with the awarded compensation...........especially, if we sent each of the members of the League Management Council a bottle of Thunderbird.:spin:

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2011, 08:52 AM
I don't know how they calculate the FA losing value but, this sound simple enough. Losing 1 starter to FA and gaining 2 starter from FA no matter where they got drafted, a starter is a starter. +1 starter for us. They value Dunta a little more than Wade and Neil together? Which ain't so bad deal to me.

Go Texans!!!


The first and simplest part of the compensatroy process is did a team sign more qualified FA than it lost? The Texans signed two and lost 1. It would not have mattered if it were two bck-ups.

BTW, this is why John McClain is nowhere what he thinks he is. His job is to know enough about process to explain that the Texans compensatory pick had nothing to do with Robinson. The Texans would have gotten that pick no matter what as long 21 total pick were dealt out.

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2011, 08:57 AM
The first and simplest part of the compensatroy process is did a team sign more qualified FA than it lost? The Texans signed two and lost 1. It would not have mattered if it were two bck-ups.

BTW, this is why John McClain is nowhere what he thinks he is. His job is to know enough about process to explain that the Texans compensatory pick had nothing to do with Robinson. The Texans would have gotten that pick no matter what as long 21 total pick were dealt out.

Even better, he rewrrote this under about headline after someone schooled him.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html

The original link now just contains a headline (with no mention of Robinson)and fan discussion.

http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html?plckItemsPerPage=50&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:08f2d66a-099d-45b3-8d6a-4288efa2e3ae

IDEXAN
03-26-2011, 09:20 AM
Still hanging in there. They're getting tougher every year though.

It took me a little while to remember which thread that was in. Back on November 11th I was 260lbs (261 actually but who's counting... wait, I was!) In the 4 months or so that have passed I've dropped 30 pounds of that. Halfway to my goal of 200lbs. Maybe when I get down to my true fighting weight I'll have less trouble with these wet paper bags.

I'm trying to take it off slowly and avoiding the shortcuts. I'd like to keep it off once I've lost it and I'm not naturally inclined towards obesity. For most of this time I've been just eating less and haven't added much if any additional activity. Walking instead of driving, stairs instead of elevators and stuff like that. Just the past month I've added biking when I get home. I think I'm going to have to get more active to lose the next 30 pounds.

Outstanding ! Congrats ! And good luck with that last 30 pounds Herv, know you can do it, but you've definitely accomplished a lot already.

infantrycak
03-26-2011, 09:25 AM
Lucky called this weeks ago.

It doesn't suprise me that Gary and Rick screwed this up.

We are talking about an Aggie with a Boilermaker.

As Lucky said, are you arguing a good team would have intentionally not signed good free agents in order to try to up their compensatory pick?

The first and simplest part of the compensatroy process is did a team sign more qualified FA than it lost? The Texans signed two and lost 1. It would not have mattered if it were two bck-ups.

There is some kind of limitation on what is a "qualifying free agent" but I think that is based on salary rather than depth chart.

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2011, 10:36 AM
As Lucky said, are you arguing a good team would have intentionally not signed good free agents in order to try to up their compensatory pick?



There is some kind of limitation on what is a "qualifying free agent" but I think that is based on salary rather than depth chart.

I think there may even be some sort of date limit (when signed) to it also. I know they have to be unrestrcited not re-signed ...a cut player does not count.

steelbtexan
03-26-2011, 11:03 AM
So... you're saying we should have gone with Studdard and Kris Brown?

Kris Brown should've been cut during the 2009 season an another K brought in. If whoever they brought in succeeded then bringing in Rackers wouldn't have been necessary.

And, yes I called for the Browns to be cut during the 2009 season.

These are the things forward thinking organizations do.

steelbtexan
03-26-2011, 11:15 AM
Dunta???


I have no problem having lost this cancer!!: A) he ain't that great in coverage. B) While he was decent on the "run" he wasn't great!!!!


That said, Falcons fans aren't all that happy with his act, AND he's from that area...


****!! aka Dunta 23!!!!

Agreed

When Dunta got robbed at gunpoint. He started looking for a way out of town. He knew that writing that on his shoes would do the trick.

Mission accomplished and BTW he got paid by the Falcons. It was a good business move for him.

CloakNNNdagger
03-26-2011, 11:21 AM
I've come across what I find as the closest I've seen a person coming to CRACKING THE NFL COMPENSATORY PICK CODE (http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/projecting-2010-compensatory-nfl-draft.html). This was written in March of 2010 just prior to the 2010 announcement of compensatory picks.

Introduction to his article:

For the ninth consecutive year and 10th overall, Ive attempted to project all of the compensatory draft picks that the NFL will award. In my past seven projections, Ive averaged 24.4 out of 32 exactly correct (going to the correct team in the correct round) and have been off by only one round on an average of four more. Last year, I got 26 correct and was off by one round on three more. Unless the NFL has unexpectedly changed the formula, I'm expecting similar results this year. My recent projections also have been successful at projecting much of the exact order of the comp picks, regardless of round, and I'm hoping to have that trend continue as well.

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2011, 11:25 AM
I've come across what I find as the closest I've seen a person coming to CRACKING THE NFL COMPENSATORY PICK CODE (http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/projecting-2010-compensatory-nfl-draft.html). This was written in March of 2010 just prior to the 2010 announcement of compensatory picks.

Introduction to his article:

the NFL section pretty sure there is linkage to this. Most of us who were not surprised or act like we know something about the process got it from this guy.

Dutchrudder
03-26-2011, 11:35 AM
Even better, he rewrrote this under about headline after someone schooled him.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html

The original link now just contains a headline (with no mention of Robinson)and fan discussion.

http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7491613.html?plckItemsPerPage=50&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:08f2d66a-099d-45b3-8d6a-4288efa2e3ae

hahaha, thanks for pointing that out. Looks like calling for a retraction is a bit too much for the 'General'. Oh well, at least he fixed his error, so I guess the message got through. Let's hope the fans get the correct info too.

CloakNNNdagger
03-26-2011, 11:43 AM
the NFL section pretty sure there is linkage to this. Most of us who were not surprised or act like we know something about the process got it from this guy.



This is another interesting piece he wrote.


Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Do NFL teams know the formula for comp picks? (http://adamjt13.blogspot.com/2010/03/do-nfl-teams-know-formula-for-comp.html)

One question I'm frequently asked is whether NFL teams know the formula that is used to determine the compensatory draft picks and in this instance, by "formula," I mean all of the rules for qualification, the rules for determining players' values, the rules for determining the rounds for every pick and any special rules that would affect the comp picks.

Some people assume that the teams have been given the rules or even the entire formula and that it remains a secret only to those of us in the general public. However, although some teams probably have much of the formula figured out, it's obvious that many teams do not know how the NFL determines the comp picks. Every year, we see examples of teams hoping to get certain comp picks that they don't end up getting and examples of teams expressing surprise or confusion after the comp picks are awarded.

This year, Atlanta Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff said he expected his team to receive three comp picks. An article on the Falcons' Web site quoted Dimitroff as saying, "That was one of the reasons that we were able to decide on doing that Tony Gonzalez trade, because we knew that we were going to be set up to possibly guard our three compensatory draft picks with some of the free agents we lost. As it stands right now, Im thinking we possibly will get three compensatory picks, given the play of Domonique Foxworth, Michael Boley and Keith Brooking. Those are the three that I think are going to factor in strongly into our compensatory acquisitions. In addition, The Atlanta Journal Constitution's D. Orlando Ledbetter reported that Dimitroff said that Mike Peterson would not count as a player signed by the Falcons. When the comp picks were announced, however, the Falcons received only two of them, and Peterson did count in the formula.

On the Jacksonville Jaguars' Web site, senior editor Vic Ketchman reported that Jaguars GM Gene Smith was "hopeful of receiving two" comp picks this year. The Jaguars, who lost three qualifying players and signed two, received only one comp pick.

And in an article on the Cincinnati Bengals' Web site, team president Mike Brown acknowledged that his team went years without knowing how to get comp picks. "Over the whole history of compensatory choices, we went many years without any and being slow to figure things out," Brown said. "We finally did and in recent years weve been the recipient of them."

We could find many more examples from previous seasons, but clearly, whatever information the NFL teams have been given regarding comp picks is not sufficient for all of them to know how many picks they'll be getting or even if they'll be getting any let alone the placement of those picks.

For teams to know what comp picks will be awarded, they have to try to project them based on whatever information they have. As Green Bay Packers GM Ted Thompson found out, though, that is no easy task. Thompson was quoted in an article at ESPNMilwaukee.com as saying that he and former GM Ron Wolf became so frustrated when they tried to project the comp picks that they gave up on it.

A long time ago, I decided I wasnt going to try to predict, Thompson said. Ron and I used to try to figure it out, and it would wind up making him really mad and me sort of mad. Some people think they have cracked the code, and thats OK, (but) I dont have time for that. Somebody will tell us.

The Pencil Neck
03-26-2011, 03:29 PM
Kris Brown should've been cut during the 2009 season an another K brought in. If whoever they brought in succeeded then bringing in Rackers wouldn't have been necessary.

And, yes I called for the Browns to be cut during the 2009 season.

These are the things forward thinking organizations do.

I think you're reaching by saying that Smithiak blew our compensatory picks by not cutting Brown earlier.

ArlingtonTexan
03-26-2011, 04:04 PM
hahaha, thanks for pointing that out. Looks like calling for a retraction is a bit too much for the 'General'. Oh well, at least he fixed his error, so I guess the message got through. Let's hope the fans get the correct info too.

I didn't notice that you were a "teacher" until just now. Good job :ahhaha:

SAMURAITEXAN
03-26-2011, 11:32 PM
Just saying that DR was overated first by the Texans, then by the Falcons.

Now if it were Aso.......in exchange for Rackers and Smith, we might have been able to build a whole team with the awarded compensation...........especially, if we sent each of the members of the League Management Council a bottle of Thunderbird.:spin:
Ha ha. I will make two battle of Thunderbird instead if it were Aso.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-26-2011, 11:36 PM
The first and simplest part of the compensatroy process is did a team sign more qualified FA than it lost? The Texans signed two and lost 1. It would not have mattered if it were two bck-ups.

BTW, this is why John McClain is nowhere what he thinks he is. His job is to know enough about process to explain that the Texans compensatory pick had nothing to do with Robinson. The Texans would have gotten that pick no matter what as long 21 total pick were dealt out.

I don't think McClain is qualified for anything. Only thing he can do for us is that gain another 100lbs and play NT and just sit in the middle of D line to make sure no one goes through.

TexanBacker93
03-29-2011, 07:44 AM
wade smith and neil rackers cancelled out the loss of dunta in the minds of whoever awards the compensatory picks.

mr. irrelevant is kinda nice though; gives us a talking point for the end of the draft!

We basically signed two starters that negated the loss of Dunta. Even though The Falcons did better as a team I never got the impression that the team's success was tied to Dunta's play.

Having the last pick in a draft where you can't sign undrafted free agents could be big. Two years ago if we were in the same CBA boat we could have taken Foster.

texanskan
03-29-2011, 10:33 AM
take a flyer on a punter

drs23
03-29-2011, 10:38 AM
take a flyer on a punter

No doubt. Gotta have a punter from somewhere. I *think* we can ALL agree on this???:kitten:

El Tejano
03-29-2011, 10:49 AM
No doubt. Gotta have a punter from somewhere. I *think* we can ALL agree on this???:kitten:

That makes alot of sense to me. Heck, nothing wrong with taking the FG Kicker from Nebraska either. I like Rackers but he's not that good that he can't be replaced and that kicker from Nebraska has got a leg.

That being said, punter or kicker, with a compensatory pick makes alot of sense and Ol' Bob is going to do something we think is crazy!