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valleytexfan
03-04-2011, 08:55 PM
You've got the other guys (OD, Ward), Rick Smith. Now sign The Coke Machine. That is all.

False Start
03-04-2011, 08:57 PM
I approve of this message. :cool:

Joe Texan
03-04-2011, 09:01 PM
He wants Moose Money and he deserves it Pro Bowler first team and the front part of the Foster train

m5kwatts
03-04-2011, 09:08 PM
Make him the highest paid FB in football.

Brandon420tx
03-04-2011, 09:31 PM
Even though there is an extension, no "football business" can be done, only meetings between the union and the NFL.

brakos82
03-04-2011, 09:37 PM
Even though there is an extension, no "football business" can be done, only meetings between the union and the NFL.
Well they should discuss making it rain on Vonta then. :heh:

stingray
03-04-2011, 10:37 PM
I thought the coke machine was Michael Irvin? :thinking:

mattieuk
03-05-2011, 02:51 AM
I can't really think of a quieter and more consistent performer on the team than Vonta.

He has played above his salary for the past few years and the guy is a freaking beast at FB.

Malloy
03-05-2011, 06:07 AM
Anything left on his contract ?

CloakNNNdagger
03-05-2011, 09:08 AM
Anything left on his contract ?

Leach is now an UFA. READ THIS SEPT 2010 ARTICLE:http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7201305.html

Vonta is a "winner".........Vonto wants to stay........and Kubiak has repeatedly emphasized his value to the team........in attitude and performance.

"What matters to me is winning," he said. "If you win, everything takes care of itself."

According to his head coach, Leach is essentially a win-loss barometer.

"Vonta is a catalyst for our team," Gary Kubiak said Sunday. "Where he goes, we tend to go."

He is a "DIAMOND".......but not in the rough. If when all is said and done, they let him get away..........I will know that the FO has not changed its spots one bit.

EllisUnit
03-05-2011, 09:53 AM
Even though there is an extension, no "football business" can be done, only meetings between the union and the NFL.

well the texans should of taken care of this way before this point. :photos:

valleytexfan
03-05-2011, 12:48 PM
I thought the coke machine was Michael Irvin? :thinking:

Hey-O!!!!!

Nawzer
03-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Just do it Texans.

Norg
03-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

Dutchrudder
03-05-2011, 03:40 PM
Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

Since when did you get Spellcheck?

JB
03-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?

You really out do yourself sometimes.

infantrycak
03-05-2011, 03:52 PM
Since when did you get Spellcheck?

Dude that was pathetic with spell check.

Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

Guy just gets All Pro and 1st team Pro Bowl and you act like he is dime a dozen. Leach is one of the top three FB's in the league - I'd say the top but to not be a homer. Several times this year I watched LB's punch drunk walking away from him after his blocks (twice they walked off the field and had to be replaced). He is not a plug and play player.

Texas T
03-05-2011, 04:11 PM
Dude that was pathetic with spell check.



Guy just gets All Pro and 1st team Pro Bowl and you act like he is dime a dozen. Leach is one of the top three FB's in the league - I'd say the top but to not be a homer. Several times this year I watched LB's punch drunk walking away from him after his blocks (twice they walked off the field and had to be replaced). He is not a plug and play player.

That has to be one of the silliest posts from norg yet.
I'm not sure where he was last year but we need Leach back-he is an important part of our offense.
I loved watching him hit LBs-I can't remember which game but towards the end of one last year all the LBs would actually get out of his way and try and hit Foster after he passed. He's not replaceable in my book.

gary
03-05-2011, 04:23 PM
Norg should go on one of the late night programs with all of his jokes.

Hardcore Texan
03-05-2011, 05:03 PM
You've got the other guys (OD, Ward), Rick Smith. Now sign The Coke Machine. That is all.

I approve of this message. :cool:

Make him the highest paid FB in football.

All the above!

And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?

You really out do yourself sometimes.

I tried to rep ya.....must spread it around first.

mattieuk
03-05-2011, 05:34 PM
Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

Oh man. Firstly we can sign everyone back - no one is going to be commanding that high of a contract, and the resignings so far have been at a good price for the Texans.

Secondly have you seen Vonta play before? For the league wide respect that Von-train has gotten playing for a rarely relevised, less publicized football team - well that just shows you how damn good he has been.

Leach was, and is the top of my 'resign this dude' list.

JB
03-05-2011, 07:33 PM
Oh man. Firstly we can sign everyone back - no one is going to be commanding that high of a contract, and the resignings so far have been at a good price for the Texans.

Secondly have you seen Vonta play before? For the league wide respect that Von-train has gotten playing for a rarely relevised, less publicized football team - well that just shows you how damn good he has been.

Leach was, and is the top of my 'resign this dude' list.

I think I totally agree with this message, but maybe I'm too drunk. Or maybe not drunk enough. But WTH is relevised?

CloakNNNdagger
03-05-2011, 08:12 PM
Mehh we can't sign everybody back and he's not on the top to resign IMO

If we can't get a good price cool if not then cut I'm if we really want a fb we can get a younger fb in fa that's much cheaper and just has good imo

A closed mouth gathers no feet.:toropalm:

ChampionTexan
03-05-2011, 09:32 PM
And what fa FB is out there that will be cheaper and "just as good" as all-pro Vonte Leach?

You really out do yourself sometimes.

Has anybody ever seen Norg actually respond to a question posed to him on these boards? Ever? Even one time?

JB
03-05-2011, 09:59 PM
Has anybody ever seen Norg actually respond to a question posed to him on these boards? Ever? Even one time?

:thinking:

Texanmike02
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
for a rarely relevised

Like, zoiks Scoob!

Mike

Rey
03-05-2011, 11:28 PM
I really think it depends on how much Vonta is asking for...

There is a such thing as over paying and then there is stupidity.

Hopefully Vonta is wanting a stupid big contract, relatively speaking.

TheMatrix31
03-06-2011, 08:25 AM
Signing him is an absolute must.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2011, 08:32 AM
Vonta Leach's Comments On Twitter Are Not Cause For Optimism (http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/3/5/2031679/vonta-leachs-comments-on-twitter-are-not-cause-for-optimism)by Chris Watkins • Mar 5, 2011 12:13 PM CST

With the flurry of Texans signings on Thursday, one name that never came across the wire was Vonta Leach. He of course had a lot to do with Arian Foster's NFL-leading rushing performance in 2010, but a new deal could not be reached in time for this bizarre "CBA Purgatory" we're now mired in.

With the secrecy present in most NFL contract negotiations, we are kind of on our own as far as how things are going with Leach's chances of remaining in Houston. This is where we turn to the maddening yet whimsical world of Twitter. A place where NFL players can interact with their fans, and with each other.

Of course, these Twitter updates by Leach are nothing more than that. It seems as if he's letting his agent do all the work, and accepting whatever outcome pops out the other end. That's a typical way for players to handle contract negotiations, of course - I just wish he seemed a bit more demonstrative in his desire to stay in Houston.

Here are some sample Tweets from Leach's timeline over the past few weeks:



"I love the fans Its the front office who has to make that decision"

"@ArianFoster thanks man I want to be in Houston but they have to want mr Herr"

"@tcwyrick it going great ready to get this CBa done and see where will I be playing this year"

Then there is this one, right after the end of the season:

"Thank u texan fans for a great 5 years I may have played my last game in Houston and it was a hell of a ride"

That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I want Leach to come back, and no doubt his teammates want him back too. Does he want to come back? I guess we won't know until he signs a deal here, or if he signs elsewhere we'll have to see if the money would have been a reasonable amount to retain him.

Fullbacks are not pieces that can't be replaced, but the one thing the Texans have going for them is their running game. Leach should be (and probably is) their biggest offensive priority. To keep Leach, the Texans are going to have no choice but to overpay a bit. Leach will want to be the highest-paid FB in the league, and he should be. He is 29, and in the prime of his career.

Maybe it's because I'm a cynic at heart, but I feel like there's a much better chance that he leaves the Texans now that they weren't able to reach a deal before (eventual) free agency. Leach said himself [in the Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7450725.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+houstonchronicle/spfbtxfront+(HoustonChronicle.com+--+Houston+Texans+Foo)]that he would test the free agent waters if they weren't able to make a deal prior to Thursday.

"I'm hoping we can get something done because I want to return, but if we can't, I'll test the market when (free agency) begins,"

Unless Vonta is insane, whatever number his people have in mind can't possibly be too much to pay for the Texans to lose their running game mojo. Let's not forget, he is a fullback. It's not a glamour position. But how much is too much?

LINK (http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-texans/2011/3/5/2031679/vonta-leachs-comments-on-twitter-are-not-cause-for-optimism)

Dutchrudder
03-06-2011, 11:12 AM
Wasn't Vonta already the highest paid FB in the league this past year?

infantrycak
03-06-2011, 12:06 PM
Wasn't Vonta already the highest paid FB in the league this past year?

Don't know about last year specifically but when his last deal was done he became the highest paid FB at that time.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2011, 12:20 PM
Wasn't Vonta already the highest paid FB in the league this past year?

The Eagles have agreed to terms with FB Leonard Weaver on a three-year deal worth $11 million (and could be valued at $12 million with incentives) and includes $6.5 million guaranteed, according to league sources.

Weaver is coming off a Pro Bowl season and becomes the highest-paid fullback in NFL history. He became a key cog in the Eagles’ offense, catching and running with the ball, as well as blocking. He had 70 carries for 323 yards and two touchdowns on the ground to go along with two receiving scores in 2009. LINK (http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/05/eagles-agree-to-terms-with-fb-weaver/)



Fullbacks are, for the most part, being phased out in modern NFL offenses, but if they're good enough they can still make big money. The Jacksonville Jaguars announced today that they have signed fullback Greg Jones to a contract extension, and Pro Football Talk reports that he'll be the highest-paid fullback in NFL history.

Per PFT, the contract is a five-year, $17.4 million deal, which breaks down like this:
2008: $2.5 million signing bonus, $1.5 million roster bonus, $525,000 salary
2009: $500,000 roster bonus, $2.48 million base salary
2010: $3 million base salary
2011: $3.1 million base salary
2012: $3.4 million base salary

In each year of the deal, Jones gets a per-game roster bonus worth a total of $50,000, and a workout bonus of $50,000. Overall, Jones will average $3.4 million over five years, which is the biggest average value for a fullback's contract in history. The previous record was $3 million a year in the six-year, $18 million deal signed by Ovie Mughelli with the Falcons.

So is Jones worth that kind of money? In the Jaguars' offense, he probably is. He lines up as an I-formation fullback and blocks for Fred Taylor and Maurice Jones-Drew, and he can contribute as a runner in short-yardage situations. That doesn't necessarily mean Jones would have been able to command that kind of money from another team -- many teams just aren't interested in spending money on a fullback -- but the Jaguars decided that they didn't want to run the risk of losing him. LINK (http://www.aolnews.com/2008/02/13/jacksonville-jaguars-sign-fullback-greg-jones-to-5-year-17-4-m/)


Vonta's salary last year was $1,450,000


http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries (http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Houston-Texans-Salaries)

Malloy
03-06-2011, 03:02 PM
So we're looking at something around 3.5mil$ a year, at the least?

Nice chunk of cash, but... considering the work he's putting in I'm inclined to believe that he's worth it.

We'll see... :)

Carr Bombed
03-06-2011, 11:09 PM
So we're looking at something around 3.5mil$ a year, at the least?

Nice chunk of cash, but... considering the work he's putting in I'm inclined to believe that he's worth it.

We'll see... :)

He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.

Plus Leach is a devastating run blocker, late in the 2nd half of games LBers shy away, because they're beat up from taking hits from Vonta. (watch the Colts and Jags game) He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre. He's always getting in someone's face and when he does, the opposing player almost always back down. He's the muscle on the offense, I'm pretty sure we're going to bring him back, but if by some slim chance they don't....that will prove the brain trust is completely incompetent of ever bringing a winning team to this city. There is no way in hell they are going to be able to just plug some guy into that role and have anywhere near the same success. Vonta Leach is a MUST sign, our postseason hopes for next season depend on it.

The Pencil Neck
03-07-2011, 12:09 AM
He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre.

A couple of years ago when Andre had that BEASTLY TD where he plowed through all those guys, I was really worried that Vonta was going to get flagged because he was in the grill talking smack to one of the guys on the ground.

I really love me some Vonta and I can't imagine that they let him go.

Malloy
03-07-2011, 03:11 AM
He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.

Plus Leach is a devastating run blocker, late in the 2nd half of games LBers shy away, because they're beat up from taking hits from Vonta. (watch the Colts and Jags game) He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre. He's always getting in someone's face and when he does, the opposing player almost always back down. He's the muscle on the offense, I'm pretty sure we're going to bring him back, but if by some slim chance they don't....that will prove the brain trust is completely incompetent of ever bringing a winning team to this city. There is no way in hell they are going to be able to just plug some guy into that role and have anywhere near the same success. Vonta Leach is a MUST sign, our postseason hopes for next season depend on it.

Make no mistake, I'm a huge Vonta fan and I am very much aware of the enormous job he does. I would love to see him back, but I'm unsure if it's worth overpaying him by several milions. He's worth the money, but is he worth the hit on the cap?

BigBull17
03-07-2011, 07:55 AM
I thought the coke machine was Michael Irvin? :thinking:

Yeah, Leech is the Pepsi Machine.

HOU-TEX
03-07-2011, 09:57 AM
He's worth 4.5 mill a year if that's what it's going to cost to bring him back. Arian Foster is not Arian Foster without Vonta Leach. They make the same reads which is why this running game is so successful. Foster and Leach work in unison. When Slaton struggled in 2009 it was because he couldn't find the holes or lanes to run through. Foster and Leach make the same reads and are already thinking two steps ahead by the time they even turn the corner or make their first cut.

Plus Leach is a devastating run blocker, late in the 2nd half of games LBers shy away, because they're beat up from taking hits from Vonta. (watch the Colts and Jags game) He's also the enforcer on the team (something that doesn't even get reported on by the local media). If you watch him, he's always deflecting and stepping in the middle of scuffles for Schaub and Andre. He's always getting in someone's face and when he does, the opposing player almost always back down. He's the muscle on the offense, I'm pretty sure we're going to bring him back, but if by some slim chance they don't....that will prove the brain trust is completely incompetent of ever bringing a winning team to this city. There is no way in hell they are going to be able to just plug some guy into that role and have anywhere near the same success. Vonta Leach is a MUST sign, our postseason hopes for next season depend on it.

I agree with everything said here!

dalemurphy
03-07-2011, 10:31 AM
Make no mistake, I'm a huge Vonta fan and I am very much aware of the enormous job he does. I would love to see him back, but I'm unsure if it's worth overpaying him by several milions. He's worth the money, but is he worth the hit on the cap?

I tend to agree. Particularly given the zone system the Texans run, as good as Leach is, the Texans can replace him with talent elsewhere. Because Leach is such a poor pass catcher and route runner (simply due to lack of speed and quickness), it limits his usefulness on offense... even in the run game.

here's why:

If the Texans have a package of AJ, KW, OD, Vonta, Foster... the defense will play its base defense without any concern of mismatches in the passing game resulting from that package. Essentially, if it is a pass play and the opposing defense is playing man coverage principles, they will be comfortable covering Leach with its poorest coverage LB or even a defensive lineman if it is a zone blitz. Furthermore, the defense is fully aware of Leach's limitations in the pass game and knows he only runs one of two routes. This gives them an advantage.

What if the Texans have a package of AJ, KW, OD, James Casey at H-back, and Foster? Assume for a second that Casey has turned into an average blocker that can hold his own against a box safety... A defense is going to have to strongly consider playing nickel defense or risk having LBs chasing Casey and Foster downfield if they stay in base. That poses a problem. If they go to nickel, suddenly the defensive front has only 2 LBs. Also, because KW is a very good blocker at WR, there are serious matchup advantages in the run game.

That's a sloppy explaination why Leach isn't invaluable. I like him a lot and he has a lot of value as a role player, particularly in short yardage or in certain matchups. But, given that his job in the run game is usually to neutralize a LB, simply changing the offensive package can have a similar effect.

All that being said, I hope he is re-signed but I have to agree that I don't want his signing to affect the Texans' ability to upgrade at WR, S, CB, NT, and LB.

Carr Bombed
03-07-2011, 10:42 AM
I'll pass, Casey isn't going to be blowing holes through people's front 7 and it's not like Vonta is out there dropping everything that's thrown at him. We already have enough receivers on the field and Vonta catches everything tossed his way. Plus while you would be getting slightly better in the receiving game, you'd be getting substantially worse in the running game, it's not worth it.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2011, 04:39 PM
Just saw this. Could this be just another "collectible" TE..............or a Vonta replacement??? I hope not an anticipated replacement for our FB.

April 12, 2011 4:59 p.m. - UNC TE Ryan Taylor visited privately with the Texans on Monday, according to National Football Post.com. Taylor served as the Tar Heels' captain on special teams and can also play FB or H-Back, the website reported. Pro Bowl FB Vonta Leach is a free agent. Texans RapidReports (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/14936119)

ArlingtonTexan
04-13-2011, 04:48 PM
Just saw this. Could this be just another "collectible" TE..............or a Vonta replacement??? I hope not an anticipated replacement for our FB.

When I looked him up, he was listed as much as if not more as a FB than as a TE

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2011&GenPos=FB&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC

Hagar
04-13-2011, 04:58 PM
Sometimes you bring in guys and interview them just to pick thier brain about another person. Maybe they picked his brain about Quinn?? Just a thought.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2011, 05:01 PM
When I looked him up, he was listed as much as if not more as a FB than as a TE

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2011&GenPos=FB&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC

Same weight as Vonta (~245) but 6'4" (Vonta 6')???...........No thank you. I'll stand pat.

CloakNNNdagger
04-13-2011, 05:04 PM
FWIW, he also played OL for the tar heels!

Norg
04-14-2011, 02:36 AM
i cant give yall another name for da FB because im not a Football Scout and they dont pay me 2 Scout Things ???? esp UNder the radar Guyz

all im saying is i know how our Front offfice thinks Obvs FB take alot of abuse and Leech is getting kinda up there

it would be wise to go younger and cheaper in there eyes

and besides u can look at tape there were time last year were are run game was shut DOWN .... thats all im saying

El Tejano
04-14-2011, 07:17 AM
Has Leach ever been hurt before? I don't know why I get this memory of him being hurt and it having to change our offense quite a bit due to the fact we had to run James Casey as the FB. It may've been in the preseason but I recall it showing us how important a full time full back was to our offense.

Or it could be that we are looking at a young FB with the hopes of signing one as a UDFA to make for camp space.

HOU-TEX
04-14-2011, 08:53 AM
i cant give yall another name for da FB because im not a Football Scout and they dont pay me 2 Scout Things ???? esp UNder the radar Guyz

all im saying is i know how our Front offfice thinks Obvs FB take alot of abuse and Leech is getting kinda up there

it would be wise to go younger and cheaper in there eyes

and besides u can look at tape there were time last year were are run game was shut DOWN .... thats all im saying

Leach is only 29. Lorenzo Neal played until he was 38. Tony Richardson's 39 and still in the league.

Ugh, nevermind, just noticed who I quoted. Carry on....:vincepalm:

CloakNNNdagger
04-14-2011, 09:05 AM
Has Leach ever been hurt before? I don't know why I get this memory of him being hurt and it having to change our offense quite a bit due to the fact we had to run James Casey as the FB. It may've been in the preseason but I recall it showing us how important a full time full back was to our offense.

Or it could be that we are looking at a young FB with the hopes of signing one as a UDFA to make for camp space.

Texans Chick had a blog recently that revealed that last year, Foster's conversion success was essentially the same with and without Vonta. However, this is as much a testament of how good Foster was, not that Vonta was not a significant factor in our running game........not to mention his value in pass protection. The FB does not lend itself to accurate evaluation by statistical means. Anyone that would try to minimize Vonta's value in our system has at very least not been very observant, if not entirely delusional. Clinging to stats in this case could be encouraging one to "Don't believe your lying eyes."

Dutchrudder
04-14-2011, 09:57 AM
FB Lawrence Vickers from the Browns will be a free agent, whenever FA starts. He was paving the way for Peyton Hillis this past year, so he may be worth grabbing in free agency if we can't keep Vonta for some reason.

Norg
04-17-2011, 12:41 PM
U know why i dont think we will sign him hes not a Homegrown player meaning we didnt draft him Hes a F/A player

and are motto is usually only keep are core Draft players and HIgh Value F/A

and i dont think we spent a 1st or 2nd to get Leech

DocBar
04-17-2011, 03:11 PM
Go all Starsky and Hutch and just "do it".

The Pencil Neck
04-18-2011, 10:33 PM
Go all Starsky and Hutch and just "do it".

Can't.

Can't do it until there's a CBA.

wildroot
04-21-2011, 05:22 PM
Dosen't look like it's going to happen.


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/21/report-texans-unlikely-to-re-sign-fb-leach/

It dosen't pay to excel on this team.

infantrycak
04-21-2011, 05:24 PM
Dosen't look like it's going to happen.


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/21/report-texans-unlikely-to-re-sign-fb-leach/

It dosen't pay to excel on this team.

And what source does ProFootballWeekly have within the Texans?

Carr Bombed
04-21-2011, 05:29 PM
And what source does ProFootballWeekly have within the Texans?

who knows, but the Texans are stupid if they don't resign Vonta. How much does the highest paid FB make now anyways? 2-3 mil per?

infantrycak
04-21-2011, 05:32 PM
who knows, but the Texans are stupid if they don't resign Vonta. How much does the highest paid FB make now anyways? 2-3 mil per?

His last contract made him the highest paid FB in the league and that was prior to his proving himself as he has the last couple years but shows the Texans aren't averse to that concept. Don't know what the highest would be right now but somewhere around there.

The writer covers the Jags, not the Texans and graduated Hotel and Restaurant management school just a few years ago. Looks like speculation to me.

Carr Bombed
04-21-2011, 05:40 PM
His last contract made him the highest paid FB in the league and that was prior to his proving himself as he has the last couple years but shows the Texans aren't averse to that concept. Don't know what the highest would be right now but somewhere around there.

The writer covers the Jags, not the Texans and graduated Hotel and Restaurant management school just a few years ago. Looks like speculation to me.


I sure hope so, we need Vonta

DocBar
04-21-2011, 05:40 PM
His last contract made him the highest paid FB in the league and that was prior to his proving himself as he has the last couple years but shows the Texans aren't averse to that concept. Don't know what the highest would be right now but somewhere around there.

The writer covers the Jags, not the Texans and graduated Hotel and Restaurant management school just a few years ago. Looks like speculation to me.Hell, that reporter sounds like me!!! Except I took EE in college. LOL

CloakNNNdagger
04-21-2011, 08:28 PM
who knows, but the Texans are stupid if they don't resign Vonta. How much does the highest paid FB make now anyways? 2-3 mil per?

Jason La Canfora (http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/05/eagles-agree-to-terms-with-fb-weaver/)Eagles agree to terms with FB Weaver By Jason La Canfora |

Published: March 5th, 2010 | Tags: 2010 Free Agency, Leonard Weaver,

Philadelphia Eagles
The Eagles have agreed to terms with FB Leonard Weaver on a three-year deal worth $11 million (and could be valued at $12 million with incentives) and includes $6.5 million guaranteed, according to league sources.

Weaver is coming off a Pro Bowl season and becomes the highest-paid fullback in NFL history. He became a key cog in the Eagles’ offense, catching and running with the ball, as well as blocking. He had 70 carries for 323 yards and two touchdowns on the ground to go along with two receiving scores in 2009.

gwallaia
04-21-2011, 09:04 PM
I'm just now tuning into this. Did we let Vonta go?:toropalm:

infantrycak
04-21-2011, 09:34 PM
I'm just now tuning into this. Did we let Vonta go?:toropalm:

No we just didn't get him signed before the lockout so can't talk to him until there is a new CBA.

J_R
04-21-2011, 10:28 PM
Leach:

First I want to address my contract situation I would love to staysl with the Texans, but front office wants to go in a different (continued)

Me nor my agent have spoke with them since my agent met with Chris Olsen at combine (they talk to all agents at combine) (continued)

I played in the league long enough to know when writing is on the wall If i played my last game as a Texan I enjoyed my 5 years

To my teammates keep working hard y'all will get things turned around, to the fans the best fans and deserve a winning franchise

@RobertMathis98 I'm not in the future plans

@Elmer_A_Quint i want my market value

@Smitty74allday(Wade Smith) thanks big dog I enjoyed playing with u


http://twitter.com/vleach44 (http://twitter.com/vleach44)

wildroot
04-21-2011, 10:40 PM
And what source does ProFootballWeekly have within the Texans?

How about Vonta's twitter? Good enough source?

http://twitter.com/#!/vleach44

CloakNNNdagger
04-22-2011, 08:49 AM
What's sad is that Vonta is in a class of a handfull of long tenured Texans, second only to AJ IIRC. It's not like the Texans have too many true lead veterans.

CloakNNNdagger
04-22-2011, 09:59 AM
John McClain's a little late for the party in his blog.

After lockout, Texans should re-sign Leach (http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2011/04/after_lockout_texans_should_re.html)

b0ng
04-22-2011, 12:07 PM
Farewell sweet Coke Machine.

CloakNNNdagger
04-22-2011, 12:10 PM
Sad note.

ArianFoster
RT @vleach44 thanks man keep grinding undrafted guys like u and myself is what this league about, proving people wrong and showing u belong
13 hours ago »

ArianFoster
@vleach44 you've been my mentor in this league. I wish you all the best bro. You deserve what your looking for. You got a teammate fir life!
15 hours ago

PapaL
04-22-2011, 12:13 PM
Sad note.

ArianFoster
RT @vleach44 thanks man keep grinding undrafted guys like u and myself is what this league about, proving people wrong and showing u belong
13 hours ago »

ArianFoster
@vleach44 you've been my mentor in this league. I wish you all the best bro. You deserve what your looking for. You got a teammate fir life!
15 hours ago

:toropalm:

I've been following @vleach44 He's obviously broken up about it. It's some BS. Pay the man!

rmartin65
04-22-2011, 12:23 PM
Ridiculous if the rumors are true. Leach is one of, if not the, best fullbacks in the league. He makes the run game go, which in turn makes the playaction pass game go. I know this is rare in today's NFL, but our FB is an integral part of the offense.

playa465
04-22-2011, 12:31 PM
I hope this is not a ploy on Vonta's part....surely he knows that the Texans can't negotiate nor communicate with him nor his agent about this kind of stuff since the NFL is in a lockout

Mr. Texan
04-22-2011, 12:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKUwcCp7LPE

:toropalm:

TEXANS84
04-22-2011, 02:04 PM
Ridiculous if the rumors are true.

I agree. This is ridiculous....I couldn't understand the OD signing considering we have a stable of tight ends...but we need Vonta...guy not only was a run and pass blocker, but the dude also had somewhat good hands to take the pass out of the backfield.

I will be extremely dissapointed with this organization again if this happens.

J_R
04-22-2011, 05:52 PM
Leach on 610:

Heard these stories. Do you expect to play for Houston again?

I want to play for them again but Houston has to want me. Keep it like that.

McClain: Why do you think that? They told me they'll talk to your agent after lockout.

Got holes on D. They want to throw more. They didnt contact me. Tell tale sign.

Had great year and Pro Bowl year. You feel you need to be paid as top FB?

Not necessarily. I want market value for FBs. [Reeled off the money and years of about 4 other FBs, Vonta clearly did his homework, ha] Look at FBs in PHI, and ATL. I feel I should be up there.

Someone has done their homework.

Oh yeah.

What are you doing to stay in shape?

Wake up early, doing cardio, working out, and playing basketball. Doing my same training program as every year.

You said you dont think they want you is because they're throwing or want to throw the ball more. They did have the leading rusher.

Thats what we said also but I dont know. I want to be a Texan but Texans have to want me.

Maybe they'll have to throw more if they dont re-sign you.

Vonta (laughing)

Many characterize you as a guy who doesnt get much touches. Clearly your role is as blocking back invaluable. Do you feel that works against you?

Reason I dont catch a lot is #1,2 options are always open. When ball does come my way, I always catch it.

...

Do you feel your teammates, FO dont feel you are a necessity in the offense? Do they understand?

They text me and stuff. A lot of people that know football know how important I am to the team. They know I open the holes or sell the run on PA.

You feel like you play important role off the field?

Im a vocal guy in the lockerroom. Can talk to anyone.

Discussing a few minutes ago, a possible fracture in the players that there might be spliture group forming. Thoughts on the unity of the players in this work stoppage? Optimistic?

I feel there are no guys will be breaking off. Standing strong as one voice, one team. No names have surfaced in those reports.

With Wade coming in and with his track record, you see that they hired proven DC, and of course you know the O, what are you expecting?

Capable of winning the whole thing. Couple pieces away from playoffs and winning the whole thing. That was Kubiak's goal when he came here.

If I had to ask you, will you be a Houston Texan, answer?

I want to be.

We hope you are. Good luck.

Appreciate it. Thanks


McClain: They'll make him an offer though dont know what it'll be.

CloakNNNdagger
04-22-2011, 07:15 PM
Rep!

I'm not following the Texan's logic. As I see it, even their passing game will suffer.

drs23
04-22-2011, 07:33 PM
Leach on 610:

Thanks HSF09.

devo-x
04-22-2011, 08:42 PM
There's still hope that the Texans re-sign Vonta (I don't see how that can afford not to)

Texan_Bill
04-22-2011, 09:00 PM
Relax people!! It'll happen when they are permitted to sign players (especially Pro-Bowlers!!!

That said,


http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1234525508_ben_stiller_-_do_it.gif

Rey
04-22-2011, 10:17 PM
I really like Vonta, but I guess I am one of the few that would not be upset if we didn't retain him if he is wanting a boatload of money...

He's not on the field as much as a lot of other starters, and I think our offense played better when we opened the game up/spread the defense out...Hopefully in the upcoming season we see more of that type of offense....Vonta was and is a tremendous asset to our running game but I don't think Arian will fall off the map because he's not running behind Vonta...I think Casey or some other FB could get the job done...And I think Casey would bring more versatility to the table...

Obviously it will hurt us some not having Vonta clearing out holes on running plays, but I really think that his potential loss could be accounted for...JMO...but I would prefer to bring him back.

GP
04-23-2011, 09:36 AM
I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, I appreciate what he brings to the table. He's a consistent run blocker, linebackers hate seeing him coming their way, and he's decent catching the pass and making a few yards out of nothing.

However, we can't pay everyone what they want. This is how you handcuff your team from making other moves (such as being able to sign a top tier free agent CB). If he wants too much, which is relative to what we want to allocate to the salary pool of the whole roster, then we can't do it and we shouldn't do it.

I hope we can fit him in, but if we can't then I guess we'll see what James Casey can do. And/or we can try and raise up another "Vonta Leach" from scratch somehow.

All in all, I want a freaking competent secondary and that has GOT to mean buying a CB in free agency who isn't the standard Texans "just a guy" CB that we've always had. No offense to Aaron Glenn--You're actually the best CB we've ever had, and we only got you at the end of your career...so, that's not your fault. This team's secondary has been perennially awful for five years now. It has to be upgraded. Get a top tier free agent CB AND throw the whole freaking draft at the CB and Safety position for all I care--Just get 20 guys and let them fight it out for the four positions, please.

/rant

CloakNNNdagger
04-23-2011, 10:22 AM
I have mixed feelings.

On one hand, I appreciate what he brings to the table. He's a consistent run blocker, linebackers hate seeing him coming their way, and he's decent catching the pass and making a few yards out of nothing.

However, we can't pay everyone what they want. This is how you handcuff your team from making other moves (such as being able to sign a top tier free agent CB). If he wants too much, which is relative to what we want to allocate to the salary pool of the whole roster, then we can't do it and we shouldn't do it.

I hope we can fit him in, but if we can't then I guess we'll see what James Casey can do. And/or we can try and raise up another "Vonta Leach" from scratch somehow.

I can't see Casey being able to take the constant punishment that Vonta has through an entire season. Would take him out of plans for which he was originally brought in.

Ryan
04-23-2011, 11:52 AM
All in all, I want a freaking competent secondary and that has GOT to mean buying a CB in free agency who isn't the standard Texans "just a guy" CB that we've always had. No offense to Aaron Glenn--You're actually the best CB we've ever had, and we only got you at the end of your career...so, that's not your fault. This team's secondary has been perennially awful for five years now. It has to be upgraded. Get a top tier free agent CB AND throw the whole freaking draft at the CB and Safety position for all I care--Just get 20 guys and let them fight it out for the four positions, please.

/rant


But that still means you have the Houston Texans staff evaluating these guys. :toropalm:

GP
04-23-2011, 12:07 PM
I can't see Casey being able to take the constant punishment that Vonta has through an entire season. Would take him out of plans for which he was originally brought in.

I think I can buy that IF we're talking about the up-the-middle punishment.

On the edges, Casey was a beast blocker. I remember one block around the left side, that sprung Foster for a TD run...Casey obliterated his guy. I jumped off the couch when it happened. I re-ran that play for about 3 minutes, over and over and over.

Technically, "Yes, Leach absorbed a lot of punishment." I just don't know if we can keep him at what he might be asking. Leach to the run game, IMO, is a lot more valuable than a three-times knee injury Owen Daniels is to the passing game. People get all hung up on Owen Daniels and how he MUST be a part of this offense. Which would we rather have: The guy who blocks and springs Foster, or a tight end who is a ticking time bomb with his knees?

I would pick Leach. What if Leach departs and our run game suffers for it? That would be HUGE if it turns out the big guy was more valuable than what any of us could have ever imagined. I just think with how our run game can be so fluid and so dynamic, we need to retain those pieces and ADD to them...not take away from it. I hope it gets done, but I know it's a numbers game if it doesn't.

CloakNNNdagger
04-23-2011, 12:43 PM
I think I can buy that IF we're talking about the up-the-middle punishment.

On the edges, Casey was a beast blocker. I remember one block around the left side, that sprung Foster for a TD run...Casey obliterated his guy. I jumped off the couch when it happened. I re-ran that play for about 3 minutes, over and over and over.

Technically, "Yes, Leach absorbed a lot of punishment." I just don't know if we can keep him at what he might be asking. Leach to the run game, IMO, is a lot more valuable than a three-times knee injury Owen Daniels is to the passing game. People get all hung up on Owen Daniels and how he MUST be a part of this offense. Which would we rather have: The guy who blocks and springs Foster, or a tight end who is a ticking time bomb with his knees?

I would pick Leach. What if Leach departs and our run game suffers for it? That would be HUGE if it turns out the big guy was more valuable than what any of us could have ever imagined. I just think with how our run game can be so fluid and so dynamic, we need to retain those pieces and ADD to them...not take away from it. I hope it gets done, but I know it's a numbers game if it doesn't.

Must spread the rep.

steelbtexan
04-23-2011, 01:02 PM
Hopefully the $$$$ not spent signing Leach will be spent signing a Competent CB.

ASO,Joseph,Taylor,Wilson etc....

History says it wont happen

See Dunta walking and not spending $$$$ on a top Tier FA/Peppers.

Carr Bombed
04-23-2011, 02:21 PM
Just sign the guy... We've blown way more money on lesser talent and outright busts. Get it done please.

False Start
04-23-2011, 05:10 PM
Just sign the guy... We've blown way more money on lesser talent and outright busts. Get it done please.

Exactly! Vonta is a reason that run game was so good last year IMO,he was blowin up people left and right. Hell, hes been wreckin shop every season since hes been playing, and hes good at catching the ball as well. I just don't think the offense will be the same without him.

He also brings some intensity, and attitude to the offense. I love his reaction on this (http://youtu.be/3czsdAbci7E) play. :aggressive: :wild:

Casey may do well, but hes nowhere near as good a blocker that Leach is.

Rey
04-23-2011, 05:54 PM
Exactly! Vonta is a reason that run game was so good last year

I agree that Vonta is a A reason...

But Vonta has been here for a few years now. I think that getting a good RB and a consistent approach to the running game has helped more than anything...

False Start
04-23-2011, 06:06 PM
Lorenzo Neal is a BIG fan, lol.

He makes some very good points in this interview (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/neal-weighs-in-on-leach/), he calls him "The Onion." :heh:

CloakNNNdagger
04-23-2011, 11:09 PM
I agree that Vonta is a A reason...

But Vonta has been here for a few years now. I think that getting a good RB and a consistent approach to the running game has helped more than anything...

Even if Vonta is only A reason, can the Texans afford to lose ANY important component to the running (and the passing) game on the bet that a replacement will be undisruptive and nondestructive to its success?

I say, "Don't mess with Texas or the Texans." Let Vonta do the messing........with everyone else.:pirate:

Rey
04-24-2011, 09:34 AM
Even if Vonta is only A reason, can the Texans afford to lose ANY important component to the running (and the passing) game on the bet that a replacement will be undisruptive and nondestructive to its success?

I say, "Don't mess with Texas or the Texans." Let Vonta do the messing........with everyone else.:pirate:

I think that the lack of having Vonta can be off-set...Spreading the defense out/Opening up the offense...

But besides that, I think that Arian is the main cog in the running game.

As far as Leach's importance in the passing game, I honestly don't think he has any more impact there than a guy like James Casey would. Sure Vonta is the better blocker, but Casey is a legitimate receiving threat...

I love what Vonta brings to the game as much as anyone else, but I would not like to severely overpay for him. I can live with overpaying...but it just depends on how much he wants to be overpaid....

If the Texans are thinking: "do we want to overpay Vonta, or overpay for a legit FA corner?"....I'd much rather they go after that corner...

As people have said...the offense is dominant (:rolleyes:)...If that's the case, then you can afford to lose a guy like Vonta and at the least still be very, very good...JMO...

wildroot
04-24-2011, 10:25 AM
I think that the lack of having Vonta can be off-set...Spreading the defense out/Opening up the offense...

But besides that, I think that Arian is the main cog in the running game.

As far as Leach's importance in the passing game, I honestly don't think he has any more impact there than a guy like James Casey would. Sure Vonta is the better blocker, but Casey is a legitimate receiving threat...

I love what Vonta brings to the game as much as anyone else, but I would not like to severely overpay for him. I can live with overpaying...but it just depends on how much he wants to be overpaid....

If the Texans are thinking: "do we want to overpay Vonta, or overpay for a legit FA corner?"....I'd much rather they go after that corner...

As people have said...the offense is dominant (:rolleyes:)...If that's the case, then you can afford to lose a guy like Vonta and at the least still be very, very good...JMO...

Don't confuse overpaying and paying market value. Vonta was a Pro-Bowler and had a great season as FBs go. Also, I don't think I remember Vonta dropping a ball thrown to him last season as far a recieving threats go.

Rey
04-24-2011, 11:25 AM
Don't confuse overpaying and paying market value. Vonta was a Pro-Bowler and had a great season as FBs go

I'm not confusing anything...Notice that I have consistently used the word IF when it comes to his contract situation...I have no idea how much he is asking for...And I even said that I would overpay...I just wouldn't overpay to the point that his contract was ridiculous or to where it hurt our ability to acquire talent at other positions...

Also, I don't think I remember Vonta dropping a ball thrown to him last season as far a recieving threats go.

Maybe you disagree, but I don't see any way that Vonta is more of a receiving threat than Casey....

Brisco_County
04-25-2011, 12:02 AM
I have been somewhat of a Rick Smith apologist from time to time, but if he doesn't get this deal done, I'm through defending him. It's such a no-brainer.

El Tejano
04-25-2011, 09:10 AM
Lorenzo Neal is a BIG fan, lol.

He makes some very good points in this interview (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/neal-weighs-in-on-leach/), he calls him "The Onion." :heh:

It's funny you mention Lorenzo Neal because when I was reading the top of this page the first thing I thought of was what life was like for Eddie George after Lorenzo Neal left Tenn for San Diego. Then I started thinking about what life was like for Tomlinson with and without Lorenzo Neal. Tomlinson was a monster when he had Lorenzo Neal blocking for him. He became a bit more human when Lorenzo Neal left them.

I believe the same thing could happen for Arian Foster. How many times when did we hear the announcer talk about what Vonta did in order to spring Foster to the outside and get some yards?

Dutchrudder
04-25-2011, 10:19 AM
I think that losing Vonta Leach will impact this team's run game the same way Fred Taylor leaving San Diego impacted them. A great blocking fullback can greatly improve even the best runningback's production.

El Tejano
04-25-2011, 10:23 AM
I think that losing Vonta Leach will impact this team's run game the same way Fred Taylor leaving San Diego impacted them. A great blocking fullback can greatly improve even the best runningback's production.

When did Fred Taylor play in San Diego?

TheMatrix31
04-28-2011, 06:51 AM
Keeping Vonta is critical. Absolutely critical.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/free-agent-vonta-leach-shopping-himself-to-every-team-today/

El Tejano
04-28-2011, 08:25 AM
If we don't sign Vonta this will be bigger than any draft we screw up today. Heck, we've learned to work around the draft over the last 9 years anyways.

BigBull17
04-28-2011, 08:38 AM
It's one thing if they don't resign him because they threw money at Aso and or one of the other good CB's out there, but if they don't resign him and refuse to spend any money, then people will see this for what it is. Sacrificing wins to save a buck. Let's see if they prove Second Honeymoon right once and for all.

Corrosion
04-28-2011, 10:16 AM
Didnt Rick Smith mention in a recent interview that they fully intend to bring Leach back ?

HOU-TEX
04-28-2011, 10:31 AM
Didnt Rick Smith mention in a recent interview that they fully intend to bring Leach back ?

Yes, he said that they were in contact with Leach and his rep. However, Leach made a tweet after that Smith interview sounding as if he had no idea what Smith was talking about.

All I know is if they don't re-sign him I will dislike Smith even more than I alreadt do.

Leach = Texans running game

Corrosion
04-28-2011, 10:46 AM
Yes, he said that they were in contact with Leach and his rep. However, Leach made a tweet after that Smith interview sounding as if he had no idea what Smith was talking about.

All I know is if they don't re-sign him I will dislike Smith even more than I alreadt do.

Leach = Texans running game

Im not a Smith fan either and that would just finish the deal for me. I already think he should have been fired .... for the 0k0ye pick alone.

Dan B.
04-28-2011, 10:52 AM
Keeping Vonta is critical. Absolutely critical.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/free-agent-vonta-leach-shopping-himself-to-every-team-today/

Completely agree. AJ and Leach are the only two Texans that I would take over any other player in the league at their position. Stupidity of the highest order to let him walk.

TexanSam
04-28-2011, 11:19 AM
Yes, he said that they were in contact with Leach and his rep. However, Leach made a tweet after that Smith interview sounding as if he had no idea what Smith was talking about.

All I know is if they don't re-sign him I will dislike Smith even more than I alreadt do.

Leach = Texans running game

Leach was also the fullback when our running game sucked in 2009. I'm fairly confident in saying that Foster would have had a good year regardless of the FB last season. Maybe not as well as he did if Leach weren't there, but still would have done well. This is nothing against Leach, and I hope we re-sign him, but it's not the biggest loss in the world if he's gone.

Dan B.
04-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Leach was also the fullback when our running game sucked in 2009. I'm fairly confident in saying that Foster would have had a good year regardless of the FB last season. Maybe not as well as he did if Leach weren't there, but still would have done well. This is nothing against Leach, and I hope we re-sign him, but it's not the biggest loss in the world if he's gone.

Unless Leach greased up Slaton's palms before each game I have a hard time blaming him for 2009.

Corrosion
04-28-2011, 11:23 AM
Completely agree. AJ and Leach are the only two Texans that I would take over any other player in the league at their position. Stupidity of the highest order to let him walk.

Dan you gotta stop this ..... If we agree too often , the sky may start falling. :mcnugget:

TEXANRED
04-28-2011, 11:25 AM
Leach was also the fullback when our running game sucked in 2009. I'm fairly confident in saying that Foster would have had a good year regardless of the FB last season. Maybe not as well as he did if Leach weren't there, but still would have done well. This is nothing against Leach, and I hope we re-sign him, but it's not the biggest loss in the world if he's gone.

So Leach was causing Slaton's fumbling problems?

Rey
04-28-2011, 12:14 PM
No one is blaming leach for the poor running game in 2009.

And even if slaton didn't have the fumbling problem he still was attracted to piles.

Texas T
04-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Now's the time for him to put the $$ where his mouth is.
The lockout is canceled for now so they can talk and get this deal done!
Tomorrow I want to see the headline "Leach Signed by Texans"!!!