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HOU-TEX
03-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Guess Wade wasn't just blowing smoke

Per McGobbler twitter

Shaun Cody signed a two-year, $5.75 million contract with $1.5 million guaranteed.

http://twitter.com/#!/McClain_on_NFL

kiwitexansfan
03-03-2011, 03:02 PM
Another good depth signing. He has played well in rotation for us.

badboy
03-03-2011, 03:28 PM
Another good depth signing. He has played well in rotation for us.He is going to be our starting Nose.

srrono
03-03-2011, 03:39 PM
He is going to be our starting Nose.

I hope NT is a position addressed in the draft early 2nd or 3rd round

El Tejano
03-03-2011, 03:42 PM
Seems to me our offseason priority was getting our roster in order by signing our own FAs and then get other team's FAs after that.

drs23
03-03-2011, 03:43 PM
He is going to be our starting Nose.

Yep, Wade's pretty much said as much. As others have said, probably told Bob he is servicable till he gets the job, then a search for more help. JMO

badboy
03-03-2011, 03:46 PM
I hope NT is a position addressed in the draft early 2nd or 3rd roundAin't happening. Only the Baylor kid will be a NT and he will go before our pick in second.

Hagar
03-03-2011, 04:05 PM
He has been our best DT, of course, that isn't saying much.

IDEXAN
03-03-2011, 04:59 PM
So does this mean that Okoye is outta here, because I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep Mitch and I'd think a third inside guy (in a 3-4) on the current roster would be too many since they are likely also draft a NT.

Doppelganger
03-03-2011, 05:03 PM
Does anyone hate that re-sign as to to come back to your team and resign as in to leave the team are spelled the same way!!!

TheMatrix31
03-03-2011, 05:20 PM
Not bad....not bad at all.

cland
03-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Does anyone hate that re-sign as to to come back to your team and resign as in to leave the team are spelled the same way!!!

Yep, that's got me a few times.

scourge
03-03-2011, 05:43 PM
Does anyone hate that re-sign as to to come back to your team and resign as in to leave the team are spelled the same way!!!

Yeah, that's why i always use the "-" when typing words like re-sign.

ArlingtonTexan
03-03-2011, 06:36 PM
Does anyone hate that re-sign as to to come back to your team and resign as in to leave the team are spelled the same way!!!

That dash thinks you are disregarding it too much.

bah007
03-03-2011, 07:17 PM
Ain't happening. Only the Baylor kid will be a NT and he will go before our pick in second.

What about the kid from Stanford? He'll be going around our spot in the third probably.

drs23
03-03-2011, 07:37 PM
So does this mean that Okoye is outta here, because I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep Mitch and I'd think a third inside guy (in a 3-4) on the current roster would be too many since they are likely also draft a NT.

Been wondering the same. Haven't heard AO's name tossed about so much in the transition. Did I just miss it? Or has it been missing?

mattieuk
03-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Like this as well!

I like all the three new re-signings! Keep the solid players, and then garnish liberally with some game changers!

drs23
03-03-2011, 09:14 PM
Like this as well!

I like all the three new re-signings! Keep the solid players, and then garnish liberally with some game changers!

Will Jacoby be one like he was after replacing AJ or what we saw the first 3/4s of the season?

srrono
03-03-2011, 09:22 PM
Will Jacoby be one like he was after replacing AJ or what we saw the first 3/4s of the season?

he was playing for contract I hope texans dont over pay if they resign him

drs23
03-03-2011, 09:42 PM
he was playing for contract I hope texans dont over pay if they resign him

I don't know that they'll overpay tendered at a 3rd but as has been said, if they go back to a 4yr URFA, it's a moot point.

Norg
03-03-2011, 10:50 PM
i think he is going to play DE in our 3/4 hes two small to be a NT IMO

VTexan
03-03-2011, 11:08 PM
Splash

HOU-TEX
03-04-2011, 08:53 AM
He has been our best DT, of course, that isn't saying much.

Agreed. He's pretty good against the run which was really his primary job.

Okoye, on the other hand, I just don't know where he fits. A DE maybe? If he sticks around it's going to be interesting to see how Wade positions these Dlinemen.

76Texan
03-04-2011, 09:11 AM
Cody and Mitchell can handle the nose in Wade's system.
I won't be surprised to see Okoye and Smith there once in a while.

Okoye can also play the 3-4 DE.
In Wade's 3-4, the DE sometimes lines up shading the guard playing one gap;
that is where the DT in the 4-3 (Okoye) most often lines up.

And don't forget that Wade also employs the 4-man front at times.

With Mario playing mostly as a 9-tech for us in recent years, he's basically a 3-4 LB playing with hand down.
I won't be surprised to see him (or other DEs currently on the roster) lining up as an OLB in Wade's scheme.

There shoud be plenty of snaps to go around, unless they feel they can target a certain player (whether in the draft that fits well or a vet that had played for Wade before - or in a similar scheme.)

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2011, 03:57 PM
An interesting commentary with an interesting NT Soliai tidbit

Will The Texans Sign A Free Agent Nose Tackle? (http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/3/6/2033046/will-the-texans-sign-a-free-agent-nose-tackle)
by Jake on Mar 6, 2011 10:12 AM CST in News

Last week, Rick Smith signed three players who were already on the roster of the Houston Texans to extensions. One of these players was Shaun Cody, who Gary Kubiak, Rick Smith and apparently Wade Phillips believe can play nose tackle in the new 3-4 defense. I made the hypothesis at the time that signing Cody meant that they preferred Earl Mitchell as the starter and that the Texans would probably not pursue a nose tackle in free agency, and very well might draft a prospect for Wade to mold for the future.

In today's Sunday Blitz by the National Football Post, there was an interesting nugget about the Texans:

"The Dolphins raised a lot of eyebrows when they put the franchise tag on nose tackle Paul Soliai, guaranteeing him about $12.5 million in 2011. Why did the team step out like that on a player who most fans aren't even aware of? My sources tell me the Dolphins surveyed the free agent field and believed there were no other nose tackles close to Soliai in ability. Given the number of teams playing a 3-4 defense, the Dolphins feared Soliai would be the subject of a bidding war. In fact, there were rumblings that the Redskins and Texans coveted him."

So this begs the question--are there any other potential free agent nose tackles that could be targets of the Texans, or was I right in my original theory?

My first thought when reading the quote above is that getting into a "bidding war" with Dan Snyder and the Redskins is one of the classic blunders in life, only surpassed by getting into a land war in Asia. If Soliai was actually that coveted and was allowed to test the market, the Texans probably would not have landed him. But was Shaun Cody the immediate backup plan? No matter whether you agree that Cody is a good fit for the 3-4, I think all would agree that he would not be a high priority free agent for anyone outside of Houston. Remember, Cody was picked up when he was released by Detroit, and I've never read anything to suggest that he was pursued by any other team.

My gut tells me that when Wade took over he decided that he liked what he saw in Earl Mitchell and was going to try and mold him into the lighter, penetrating nose tackle that he had in Dallas with Jay Ratliff. I think after making that call, he decided to sign a free agent like Soliai for the immediate time-frame, and he decided to draft a nose tackle to develop behind Mitchell. I could see Wade targeting another Ratliff-esque player to draft, a bigger body classic nose tackle, or maybe a hybrid type like Marcell Dareus.

The Dolphins probably didn't want to spend $12.5 million on Soliai, so the fact that they were willing to tells you not only that they were serious about the lack of free agent nose tackle talent, but also what it might cost to get a comparable talent. They're decision to tag Soliai probably reinforced the same point to the Texans. I believe Cody wasn't next on their nose tackle list, but when faced with the prospect of spending valuable free agent dollars and even more valuable cap space in a year they need to fill a lot of holes, they decided to lock up Cody to fulfill the veteran presence for that position.

The Texans need immediate improvement on the defense because another dreadful performance might cost everyone their jobs as the Texans could begin yet another complete rebuilding effort. Signing someone like Soliai would ensure that the talent at the position would immediately improve. Mitchell would provide possible impact for 2011, but more likely is a project for the future. Now that Cody has been retained, I could see the Texans making nose tackle more of a priority for the draft. As opposed to drafting a mid-round prospect to develop behind Mitchell, I think they might target someone in the first couple of rounds. The reason being that Cody is not a game changer, so either Mitchell or the rookie needs to have an instant impact in 2011.

If the Texans did in fact shift gears from acquiring a good to very good free agent nose tackle to re-singing Cody and putting more of an emphasis on drafting a game changer at nose tackle, I would actually wholeheartedly approve of the strategy. Rather than over-spending for someone like Aubrayo Franklin, I would much rather see them pursue veterans for the secondary, where there is certainly more value to be had in free agency. This could certainly be wishful thinking, but the early Texans offseason moves such as letting go of players because they can't cover (Eugene Wilson and Bernard Pollard) and not forcing someone into a position just because he was a high draft pick (Amobi Okoye) make me think that Wade has injected a healthy amount of common sense into the defensive talent evaluation.

That's my theory. What are your thoughts on the matter?

LINK (http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/3/6/2033046/will-the-texans-sign-a-free-agent-nose-tackle) The "Comments" following this piece are also worth reading.

thunderkyss
03-06-2011, 04:17 PM
An interesting commentary with an interesting NT Soliai tidbit

Will The Texans Sign A Free Agent Nose Tackle? (http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/3/6/2033046/will-the-texans-sign-a-free-agent-nose-tackle)
by Jake on Mar 6, 2011 10:12 AM CST in News



LINK (http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/3/6/2033046/will-the-texans-sign-a-free-agent-nose-tackle) The "Comments" following this piece are also worth reading.

I think it's interesting that Jay Ratliff's success is attributed to Wade & his system. I really think Ratliff's success has more to do with a guy making a position for himself on a team.

Ratliff was brought into Dallas to play DE, he was burried on the depth chart behind Spears, Canty, and a few others. Dallas kept bringing people in to take his place.

Jay Ferguson was Dallas' answer at NT, and it didn't work.

Ratliff saw an opportunity & took advantage of it.

Of course I do believe Ratliff was asked to do what he does best, & Wade didn't try to use him the same way he used Ferguson.

IDEXAN
03-06-2011, 04:36 PM
I think it's interesting that Jay Ratliff's success is attributed to Wade & his system. I really think Ratliff's success has more to do with a guy making a position for himself on a team.



I find Ratliffs success in the 3-4 very intriguing and unusual if not rare given his size, and am wondering if anybody has heard about such a relatively small player having that kind of success as a NT in the 3-4 besides Ratliff ?

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2011, 05:30 PM
I find Ratliffs success in the 3-4 very intriguing and unusual if not rare given his size, and am wondering if anybody has heard about such a relatively small player having that kind of success as a NT in the 3-4 besides Ratliff ?


Raven's Kelly Gregg 310 pounds is the only other "small" NT I can think of to have significant success besides Ratliff (~305 pounds)

[Compare to Shawn Cody 310 and Earl Mitchell 290]

ArlingtonTexan
03-06-2011, 05:36 PM
I find Ratliffs success in the 3-4 very intriguing and unusual if not rare given his size, and am wondering if anybody has heard about such a relatively small player having that kind of success as a NT in the 3-4 besides Ratliff ?


I think the Cardinals starting NT was like Ratliff in 300-305 range when most of the dudes are 315-320. Ratliff is unique quick, stronger than his size player with a cut-up physique. BTW, there was one of those ask the player random question things and Ratliff was considered the a really nice guy off the field guy, but one guy none of the other players wanted bleep with in bar or alley late at night.

The first NT through here (Seth Payne) was not a huge fat guy (6'4 310ish) either and on some bad teams held his own at the position.

Rey
03-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Trade Amobi for Frank Okam.

76Texan
03-06-2011, 10:21 PM
I find Ratliffs success in the 3-4 very intriguing and unusual if not rare given his size, and am wondering if anybody has heard about such a relatively small player having that kind of success as a NT in the 3-4 besides Ratliff ?

It's just that there are not many teams that run a one-gap 3-4 in the NFL.
Pittsburgh and San Diego do, but they have big NT to begin with.

The interesting thing though was when Hampton played only 6 games in 04, the Steelers were 5-1 with him.
They went unbeaten the rest of the way with Chris Hoke, who weighed 296 lbs.

They finished the year ranked #1 in points allowed as well as yards allowed.

Before Hampton, they had Joel Steed, 300 lbs, a 7-yr starter.
The Steelers defense was quite good in those years, too.
Steed made the Pro-Bowl in 97.

76Texan
03-06-2011, 10:32 PM
Also, I found it interesting that last year, the Chargers went with a guy who had never started a game in the previous four years: Antonio Garay who weights an even 300.
He ended up with 5.5 sacks after recording none previously (His first 3 years were with the Browns and the Bears).

The Pencil Neck
03-06-2011, 11:55 PM
Also, I found it interesting that last year, the Chargers went with a guy who had never started a game in the previous four years: Antonio Garay who weights an even 300.
He ended up with 5.5 sacks after recording none previously (His first 3 years were with the Browns and the Bears).

I was pretty impressed with what I saw of Garay last year.

IDEXAN
03-07-2011, 06:21 AM
Also, I found it interesting that last year, the Chargers went with a guy who had never started a game in the previous four years: Antonio Garay who weights an even 300.
He ended up with 5.5 sacks after recording none previously (His first 3 years were with the Browns and the Bears).
So besides this guy, you named another small Nose who played 6 games one season and you needed to go back to the previous century to name a second guy, right ? So it does sound like the smaller guys at NT are rare if not almost unheard of ?

IDEXAN
03-07-2011, 06:25 AM
Raven's Kelly Gregg 310 pounds is the only other "small" NT I can think of to have significant success besides Ratliff (~305 pounds)

[Compare to Shawn Cody 310 and Earl Mitchell 290]
What's becoming apparent to me is that the gap-responsibility of the DLine is more meaningful than the alignment in classifying a defensive scheme. For example, Wade's 3-4 one-gap scheme really has more in common with the conventional 4-3 one-gap schemes than the conventional 2-gap 3-4s.

thunderkyss
03-07-2011, 09:24 AM
What's becoming apparent to me is that the gap-responsibility of the DLine is more meaningful than the alignment in classifying a defensive scheme. For example, Wade's 3-4 one-gap scheme really has more in common with the conventional 4-3 one-gap schemes than the conventional 2-gap 3-4s.

Even in most 4-3s, the NT is a 2 gapper. Wade's one gap scheme sounds more like the Tampa 2 defensive line. Small guys (which the fans around here obviously hate) where everyone on the line is responsible for getting pressure on the QB.

If that's the case, our LBs may be too small, which is going to be another problem. The run game is going to kill us.

76Texan
03-07-2011, 11:48 AM
Even in most 4-3s, the NT is a 2 gapper. Wade's one gap scheme sounds more like the Tampa 2 defensive line. Small guys (which the fans around here obviously hate) where everyone on the line is responsible for getting pressure on the QB.

If that's the case, our LBs may be too small, which is going to be another problem. The run game is going to kill us.

We had been using small NTs and DTs in our 4-3.
And our run defense was fine.
As I've said before our line scheme is actually quite similar to Wade's.
If the run game is going to kill us, it will be because somebody miss his gap assignment (just as some of the long runs we allowed early in the 09 season.)

76Texan
03-07-2011, 11:58 AM
So besides this guy, you named another small Nose who played 6 games one season and you needed to go back to the previous century to name a second guy, right ? So it does sound like the smaller guys at NT are rare if not almost unheard of ?

Like I've said, it was only because there were so few teams that run a one-gap scheme.

You exchange power with quickness.

If you look at it in a different light, that's three for three.
3 small NTs; all 3 had success in that scheme.
That's a one hundred percent success rate!