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Sarg01
04-13-2005, 03:13 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/news/story?id=2036420

Says he only used in this off-season, tested positive at the combine, apparently. Was considered an early-2nd round prospect. Was a good prospect for a 3-4 NT.

Looks like Mike Patterson's stock just went way up ...

Vinny
04-13-2005, 03:19 PM
incredible moron. I wouldn't touch this guy now. I don't buy his lame story about using roids to get over an elbow injury. If he is dumb enough to use roids before his JOB INTERVIEW...where he knows he will be drug screened...well, it speaks for itself.

infantrycak
04-13-2005, 03:20 PM
Steal him in the 5th round and put him on the Texans' weight program. People/kids make mistakes pushing for a dream--capitalize on others getting all judgmental about it. And yes, it was a stupid thing to do.

Sarg01
04-13-2005, 03:22 PM
Yeah, this really hurts him. I was really high on him entering the off-season, but now I'm REAL glad we resigned Seth Payne. Antaj Hawthorne tested positive for marijuana, so both the early round NT prospects are questionable at best now.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 03:22 PM
I've done them myself so I'm not getting "all judgemental" on him. He would have to be a total fool to use roids before the combine.

Youngstown Colt
04-13-2005, 03:29 PM
The point is, he wouldn't be a 1st-2nd rounder if not for his steroid use.

I watch a LOT of big 10 football and never saw this guy do anything.

infantrycak
04-13-2005, 03:34 PM
I've done them myself so I'm not getting "all judgemental" on him. He would have to be a total fool to use roids before the combine.

We were posting at the same time so I was refering to teams letting him slip significantly in the draft not you. I agree he was a fool, BUT IMO there is a big difference between a long term user who overachieved in college because of steroids versus a guy who was stupid/moronic/whatever by trying to bump his performance for the combine. One guy will be an almost certain bust in the NFL when he can't use steroids consistantly, the other guy is an ***** who just got his fingers burned thinking he could fool the system, but is still a good football player. I just am not all down on a guy IF it is a one time problem. Seems to me a 5th round pick on a guy with a 2nd round grade is enough of a lesson to take a risk on. Frankly, I would rather take the risk on the one time steroid user than the pot-smoker who can't get himself off the pipe long enough for his job interview.

canadiantexan
04-13-2005, 03:35 PM
Although I dont like to judge, this guy is stupid for doing it when he knew he would be tested. However having said that does'nt everyone deserve a second chance?. He could still end up being not only a very good player but also a very good person and teammate. One mistake that is easy to make while in the pursuit of a life long dream should not condem him forever.

Youngstown Colt
04-13-2005, 03:36 PM
He wasn't that good at northwestern though.

I just don't believe that if he's gonna use them before the most important event in his life (the combine) the he wouldn't think to use them during the season.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 03:40 PM
He didn't pass his drug screen and got busted. My guess is that he didn't just start taking them right before the combine since there is a bit of a time-lapse period for most anabolic agents to eventually clear your system. I would bet he used them earlier and miscalculated the time the artificial hormone would park in his system.

canadiantexan
04-13-2005, 03:50 PM
Vinny you sound like you know a bit about them so what you said there makes perfect sense to me. Knowing what he did would you(anyone out there) draft him in a later round if he was still there? or would you take someone with only on the feild risks.

Blake
04-13-2005, 03:51 PM
This is huge. I wonder how far he will drop. Round 3? Round 5? I miss the days of people playing on a level playing field. Talent and Skill isnt everything anymore...

Vinny
04-13-2005, 03:54 PM
Vinny you sound like you know a bit about them so what you said there makes perfect sense to me. Knowing what he did would you(anyone out there) draft him in a later round if he was still there? or would you take someone with only on the feild risks.I don't know, and I very well may be wrong. I'd have to be closer to him and would have to see him personally to judge this kind of thing. Roid users have their own little underground society and most users are chronic users. They keep this stuff hidden from most of the non-users, so generally most non-users won't just experiment with something like this on a whim, or in order to get ready for something like the combine.

Bottom line is...huge red flag.

canadiantexan
04-13-2005, 03:54 PM
I dont know if people were ever (last 20 years) playing on a level playing feild it's just that they did'nt get caught( with no testing and such). I mean just look at what Haslett said about himself and the steelers.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 03:56 PM
I dont know if people were ever (last 20 years) playing on a level playing feild it's just that they did'nt get caught( with no testing and such). I mean just look at what Haslett said about himself and the steelers.
Roids were all over the NFL back then. I had a Rx for them myself when I was a competitive powerlifter. Most guys use hgh and insulin now since roids are hard to mask and the league doesn't check for hgh (expensive to get the real stuff so College guys would have a much harder time using).

Honoring Earl 34
04-13-2005, 04:06 PM
:thumbdown Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .

Corrosion
04-13-2005, 04:25 PM
:thumbdown Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .


Smoking marijuana is less dangerous in general and less destructive to the body than the average alcoholic beverage ..... its just not legal

Youngstown Colt
04-13-2005, 04:27 PM
Smoking marijuana is less dangerous in general and less destructive to the body than the average alcoholic beverage ..... its just not legal
thus making it a problem when drafting a guy.

That being said, I take the pot smoker. His performance surely wasn't helped by his substance abuse.

D-ReK
04-13-2005, 04:31 PM
:thumbdown Even in a mock draft I feel robbed . I feel like I'm not getting the player I read about . I traded up for him also . OK heres the question , would you take a pot smoker before the roid abuser ? I believe the pot smoker still has all his tools as opposed to the roid user who may not be as advertised .

If I had my druthers, I'd take neither, but if I had to choose, I'd take the pot smoking hippy...

Vinny
04-13-2005, 04:33 PM
Athletes are exposed to everything so they make choices every day. Users of either tend to run in small groups and sub-cultures tend to evolve within each team. That is the biggest problem with taking any known user of any illegal substance. I think most teams assume that they have small sub-groups of players doing various things, but they can't do much about private people doing private things they aren't aware of. They just don't want to help along these groups if possible by avoiding all known users of either substance (or any for that matter).

texasguy346
04-13-2005, 04:50 PM
Steal him in the 5th round and put him on the Texans' weight program. People/kids make mistakes pushing for a dream--capitalize on others getting all judgmental about it. And yes, it was a stupid thing to do.

I got to agree with you on this one. However, Mort was on the Draft Special talking about this incident, and he said that most teams he'd talked to told him it would not effect his draft status. The guy still has a lot of talent, but his character or at least his judgement comes into question now. That was something I really liked about the guy.

DRIFTAWAY
04-13-2005, 04:56 PM
If luis castillo is even available in the 4th, you take him. he still has talent and will be a steal. He's a college kid facing tremoundos pressure right now, and so i only blame him about 95%. So you take him in the 4th, and than just really make sure he never does it again and that he learned his lesson, he should be positivly influenced by our vets.

And due to Hawthorne's drug problem, if he would by any chance slip into the second round, I think we should trade our 2nd and our lower 3rd to grab him. Still got talent, but sit down and have a talk to him, and let him know the consequences of substance abuse. Suspend him the first game of the season if you need to, just to make sure he never does again.

With all that being said, if we got out with Hawthorne in the second, Castillo in the 4th, our D-line issues would be solved. We could get Barron, or Williamson with the first.

DRIFTAWAY
04-13-2005, 05:03 PM
Dreaming: What if we traded our first and higher 3rd to move up and take DJ in the first.

Trade our 2nd rounder and lower 3rd rounder for Antaj Hawthorne

Than in the 4th take Luis Castillo?

We end the first day with DJ,Hawthorne,Castillo. We fix all our defensive holes and get younger, pick up the key linebacker, and pass rushers. We can focus on the second day looking for maybe some sleeper offensive products or a sleeper secondary man.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 05:09 PM
I just read it was androstenedione. Geez, so disregard most of my spewage. Andro is more of a testosterone booster. I don't even think it is classified as an anabolic steroid. He is still dumb for not thinking it wasn't a part of the NFL drug program though.

Grid
04-13-2005, 05:15 PM
I MAY consider him as a 7th round selection. Just cause 7th rounders have a VERY small chance of making the roster.. and Castillo may have a little bit of a better chance than most guys available in the 7th.

if i was the team that got him though.. I would keep a very close eye on him and give him regular drug tests.

Texan in Japan
04-13-2005, 05:22 PM
Even though these guys may slip, I think the Texans probably pass now.

D-ReK
04-13-2005, 05:29 PM
Even though these guys may slip, I think the Texans probably pass now.

I agree...So far, to our knowledge, we don't have anybody on the team with any sort of substance abuse problem, and I'm not sure that Cass would take a flyer on one of these guys unless they fell really far...

Blake
04-13-2005, 05:41 PM
Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=castillospositivetestwon&prov=tsn&type=lgns)

This one guy is saying he should only drop 15 or so spots. Check it out.

"One team executive estimated Castillo could drop about 15 spots -- to the end of the second round or beginning of the third -- because of the positive test, which Castillo acknowledged in a letter to all NFL teams."

canadiantexan
04-13-2005, 06:45 PM
I just read it was androstenedione. Geez, so disregard most of my spewage. Andro is more of a testosterone booster. I don't even think it is classified as an anabolic steroid. He is still dumb for not thinking it wasn't a part of the NFL drug program though.


Andro's not as bad but still a dumb move.
The spewage was still informative so thank you anyways. :thumbup

SESupergenius
04-13-2005, 07:10 PM
I just read it was androstenedione. Geez, so disregard most of my spewage. Andro is more of a testosterone booster. I don't even think it is classified as an anabolic steroid. He is still dumb for not thinking it wasn't a part of the NFL drug program though.But that is exactly what McGwire was taking and the reason he really didn't want to say he used steriods. Everyone looked down on McGwire for not saying he used steriods but it was only Andro. Yes Castillo is a little stupid for taking something before the combine, but if he didn't test positive for sterioids when he was at the university like he says, then I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt. But do universities really test for sterioids?

UberDork
04-13-2005, 07:18 PM
Seems like everyone got hot on Castillo after his combine numbers came out. Seems like everyone got hot on numbers that are due to unfair drugs.
Seems like I have to question what he is worth if he doesn't take his drugs anymore.

I was fairly interested in him, but now...I imagine he will have to stop taking the drugs. So some of the things that made him so appealing probably aren't there anymore.

F-minus67
04-14-2005, 11:19 AM
Didn't some pitcher die from taking andro?

Vinny
04-14-2005, 11:36 AM
I doubt it. Real steroids perhaps but andro is not a real anabolic steroid. andro is very weak, naturally occuring and is just a testosterone precursor, and wouldn't likely do much more than bump testosterone levels at a risk of androgenic side effects (impotence, balding, acne, lowering your own natural set point for manufacturing your own natural testosterone) that you usually get when you alter your hormone levels artificially.

canadiantexan
04-14-2005, 02:19 PM
boom!!!


what is that? that was the sound of Castillo's stock dropping! that is what you call a carreer that never went off the ground.


:woot LOL that's hilairious, not quite as funny as "Ron Mexico" but close.

texasguy346
04-14-2005, 03:21 PM
Didn't some pitcher die from taking andro?

No that was Ephedra, and it was a Baltimore Orioles player. His name escapes me at the moment, but his death was the reason that MLB banned players from using it.