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srrono
03-01-2011, 02:06 AM
If the Texans want to fill one of their most glaring needs and select a cornerback in the first round of the draft, Nebraska's Prince Amukamara is the most likely candidate.

full story (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7450698.html)

If the Texans were to trade up for a corner it better be Patrick Peterson.
Prince Amukamara seems to be a slower CB and we all ready have a young corner who is not a burner. The DBs are running Tuesday at the combine so hopefully I am wrong about Prince's speed actually hopefully John McClain is wrong and the Texans do not draft another DB early with all the def talent I would hope at 11 we can find a strong starter with out giving up additional picks we need all the help we can get.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 03:04 AM
With scouts projecting both Peterson & Amukamura as FS, I can't get too excited about either of these guys. We've already got two corners (Quin & Allen) & possibly a third (Jackson).

I want a true corner, not a projected safety.

With luck, one of the big bodied DTs will fall to us & get a corner in the second.

ATXtexanfan
03-01-2011, 03:57 AM
i say wait till second or move back into the late first for a corner, take best available at 11

steelbtexan
03-01-2011, 06:14 AM
i say wait till second or move back into the late first for a corner, take best available at 11

Agreed

Is Amukamara or Smith really that much better than A.Williams or D.House? Both Willians and House should br available in the late 1st or when Rick and Gary are going thru their 3 stooges routine in the 2nd rd.

IDEXAN
03-01-2011, 07:03 AM
No, no let's not use our top Draft pick for another CB this year who would then be starting in his rookie year, just like last years top pick. Bad idea.

srrono
03-01-2011, 08:17 AM
Prince just ran his first 40 unofficial 4.37

beerlover
03-01-2011, 08:21 AM
Prince just ran his first 40 unofficial 4.37

Good then he'll bump Von Miller one spot closer to Texans

rmartin65
03-01-2011, 08:25 AM
Good then he'll bump Von Miller one spot closer to Texans

Nah, Miller wont fall anywhere near the Texans. Teams love him. This does either make him a more attractive option for the Texans, or bumps another player down. Either way, good stuff.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 08:37 AM
Miller won't get out of the top 7. Both DBs will be gone before the Texans pick too. Prince won't make it past the Cowboys if he is there. Peterson won't make it close to there either. As for the switch to safety, that is just fluff talk and I'll believe it when I see it. Prince is a real shut down cover corner who basically, despite some speed issues is considered a pro ready cover corner. Switching a guy to safety isn't just an easy thing and that will put them in an unnatural position and cause growing pains. If they do it because of speed then they alot of these top 10 teams need safety too. So I can't see them dropping.

From Mayock

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110228-the-good-and-bad-about-possible-cowboys-top-draft-pick-prince-amukamara.ece

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock recently said. “If Amukamara gets (to No. 9), you take him. He can play press. He can play off. He can tackle. He is a starting cornerback in the NFL, and the Cowboys need that."

gtexan02
03-01-2011, 08:46 AM
We seem to be pretty bad at scouting DBs and DL. Maybe we should just trade the pick and get someone we know can play

steelbtexan
03-01-2011, 09:07 AM
We seem to be pretty bad at scouting DBs and DL. Maybe we should just trade the pick and get someone we know can play

That would be a smart thing to do. Seeing the track record of Rick and Gary on draft day.

IDEXAN
03-01-2011, 09:25 AM
Good then he'll bump Von Miller one spot closer to Texans

Miller runs in the low 4.5s, but Justin Houston is 25 lbs bigger and runs sub
4.7. Really, which one has the more impressive performance ?

Ole Miss Texan
03-01-2011, 09:34 AM
WRs get separation from the CB in the first few steps from the LOS.... 40 time has zero relevance on whether a player is "quick" or not.

I've been down on Amukara since the Oklahoma St game... but everybody has a bad day here or there. I think we're painted into a corner (no pun intended) at cornerback... we need a veteran to start there. We can't afford to go through a rookie's growing pains just to develop in a couple years.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 09:38 AM
As for the switch to safety, that is just fluff talk and I'll believe it when I see it. Prince is a real shut down cover corner who basically, despite some speed issues is considered a pro ready cover corner.

I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....


From Mayock
NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock recently said. “If Amukamara gets (to No. 9), you take him. He can play press. He can play off. He can tackle. He is a starting cornerback in the NFL, and the Cowboys need that."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110228-the-good-and-bad-about-possible-cowboys-top-draft-pick-prince-amukamara.ece

Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.

Ole Miss Texan
03-01-2011, 09:41 AM
I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....

Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.

I like reading Drew Boylhardt. He think both Peterson and Amukara could be safeties. Problem he sees with Prince is that his change of direction isn't top level and the quicker WRs will beat him and get separation. He's got the speed to catch up but there's more separation there than you would like. Catch, tackle, first down.

Having a safety that can come up on the line of scrimmage and cover a WR would be really nice though!! Just bc he's a safety doesn't mean he has to play back all the time. Especially near the red zone.

IDEXAN
03-01-2011, 09:49 AM
Deon Sanders just said that Brandon Harris has impressed him the most when it comes to the corner drills. On the other hand Prince was not very impressive, especially when he stood straight up before turning around in the back-peddle drill.

beerlover
03-01-2011, 09:49 AM
Deon Sanders just said that Brandon Harris has impressed him the most when it comes to the corner drills. On the other hand Prince was not very impressive, especially when he stood straight up before turning around in the back-peddle drill.

Prince has safety skills

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 09:58 AM
I'm just going by what scouts are saying. No one in particular.....



Which is odd, because he said pretty much the exact opposite on NFLN. He talked about "tightness" saying Prince doesn't have the fluidity he needs to be a top Corner. He can play Corner, but he'll only be avg, maybe a little better than avg. But he thinks he can be a Pro Bowl Safety.

I know, I keep reading the same stuff about safety for Prince but it is weird that I've also seen quotes like above and from Day 1 have heard he is the most "pro" ready. So we will see. If the Cowboys see him as a safety, they may pass and look at one of the 3-4 DE/LB at that spot. I think they would rather bring in a FA or try Ball again, then get a rookie up to speed at a new position. I could be wrong.

Here is some more info..Dane Brugler

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110228-nfl-draft-expert-if-cowboys-draft-prince-akukamara-he-could-play-safety-too.ece



A lot of mock drafts have Prince Amukamara going to the Cowboys with the No. 9 pick. Experts have also been saying he could project as a safety in the NFL as well as a cornerback. How do you see him being used?



To be honest with you, I think his best long-term position will be at free safety. He’s such a physical hitter that plays well in press coverage. It’ll be interesting to see what he runs in the 40. He works out later this afternoon and if he runs in the 4.5 range, then maybe you think a free safety might be the best fit for him. But, you have to try him at cornerback: the fluid hips; the footwork; the technique; it’s all there. So, you try him at cornerback and then if you move him to free safety down the line, then that’s where you move him but he’s going to get his chance at cornerback and I think he’ll do well. He’s NFL-ready right now; he’ll step in and he’ll start from day one as soon as gets to the NFL.

Does Prince Amukamara fit the bill for Rob Ryan’s defense, which demands strong tacklers and leaves no room for cowards?

He does and he’s just a natural hitter. He came into college at Nebraska and he was a running back, so he’s a physical guy. They moved him to cornerback and he does not let up out there. The guy…and you want to call him a hitter but he’s a tackler. He’s a wrap-tackler, he doesn’t miss a lot of tackles and he’s a really impressive guy. He did well in his interviews yesterday; spoke really highly of his coaches at Nebraska and he really takes pride in his craft and he works hard to get better at it. He’s got a bright future; there’s no doubt about that.

VTexan
03-01-2011, 10:08 AM
What you said:

Texans zero in on drafting a top-quality cornerback


What I heard:


Texans will not pursuethe plethora of quality corner-backs in free agency


My reaction:

http://images2.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/5243333/cmon-son.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Not-sure-if-serious

Ole Miss Texan
03-01-2011, 10:09 AM
I love the NFL Draft. All seems so certain during February and March and we always get surprises on Draft Day. I love it I love it!

Von Miller and Prince Amukara could slip and both be available at 11. We all think that's unlikely now.. but it's one of those surprises that could happen. I see Marcel Dareus as a virtual lock to go Top 7... I think he's a the least chance to be available for us than the other two.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 10:20 AM
Prince won't be there

http://twitter.com/#!/evansilva

evansilva Evan Silva
Prince Amukamara's first "unofficial" forty time is 4.37. He's 6-foot, 204 pounds. Won't be needing to move to safety.

Ran a 4.4 his second time.

gary
03-01-2011, 10:27 AM
Yay, conerback that worked out so well the last time. I am so excited.

VTexan
03-01-2011, 10:35 AM
Yay, conerback that worked out so well the last time. I am so excited.

I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.

jaayteetx
03-01-2011, 10:39 AM
I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.

Did you watch the Texans play defense last year?

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 10:40 AM
I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.

I like him but think you may get a guy like Quinn there and I think he is big time impact on D.

eriadoc
03-01-2011, 10:42 AM
Just as long as they don't draft the "most NFL ready" CB, I'm cool with it.

gary
03-01-2011, 10:44 AM
I'm on the Julio Jones bandwagon. Pretty great chance he'll be there at 11 and much more promising than any defensive prospect to make an immediate impact.
I would either sign a vet CB or draft one later but not with our first pick. Jones or Von would be my choice if they are still on the board. Also, hold onto Jason Allen.

VTexan
03-01-2011, 10:46 AM
Did you watch the Texans play defense last year?

An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.

gary
03-01-2011, 10:52 AM
An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.
Amobi Okoye agrees with you.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 10:53 AM
An outside linebacker would be only position decent at 11 but even they seem like projects. Have you seen the Texans draft in the first round?

Von Miller would be a great impact player, but he's a projected a top 5 pick. What DT will be available at 11 fit for a 3-4?

We need a true No.2 WR, especially if Andre goes down at that position then we are royally screwed.

On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.

BigBull17
03-01-2011, 10:54 AM
Miller and Prince will fall to us and we'll draft Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado. Close enough to CSU.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 10:56 AM
Miller and Prince will fall to us and we'll draft Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado. Close enough to CSU.

I know you are joking but read that Smith has HUGE character concerns..arrests, drugs, etc. So you know that won't happen.

http://twitter.com/#!/evansilva

evansilva Evan Silva
At 6-foot-2, 211 Jimmy Smith ran a ridiculous 4.38 forty time. Character concerns are plenty, but widely regarded as top-15 talent.
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Yesterday they mentioned his background issues.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 11:10 AM
I know, I keep reading the same stuff about safety for Prince but it is weird that I've also seen quotes like above and from Day 1 have heard he is the most "pro" ready. So we will see. If the Cowboys see him as a safety, they may pass and look at one of the 3-4 DE/LB at that spot. I think they would rather bring in a FA or try Ball again, then get a rookie up to speed at a new position. I could be wrong.


They also cut Sensabough..... who was better than Ball.

The Cowboys need to upgrade Ball, more than they needed to play around with Sensabough (I thought).

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 11:15 AM
They also cut Sensabough..... who was better than Ball.

The Cowboys need to upgrade Ball, more than they needed to play around with Sensabough (I thought).

Agree!Ball was alot of the issue last season.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 11:17 AM
On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.

It may be an issue that would allow him to drop to us.

I agree with Julio Jones. If he's there, we take him. We'll be more likely to average in the high 20s..... 27ppg or something like that.

Every other team we play will be forced to score 30 to beat us.

I understand that didn't work out too well for us in 2010, but we didn't have Julio Jones, or the know-how to unleash a 3 headed running attack. Hopefully, that crap changes, and we see that quick strike get a big lead early Denver offense we thought we were going to get.

BigBull17
03-01-2011, 11:19 AM
I know you are joking but read that Smith has HUGE character concerns..arrests, drugs, etc. So you know that won't happen.

Ok, then insert random slow footed CB who is "NFL ready" yet can't cover a hobo off the streets of San Diego.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 11:19 AM
ON a CB note Peterson ran a frigging ridiculous 4.32.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 11:21 AM
It may be an issue that would allow him to drop to us.

I agree with Julio Jones. If he's there, we take him. We'll be more likely to average in the high 20s..... 27ppg or something like that.

Every other team we play will be forced to score 30 to beat us.

I understand that didn't work out too well for us in 2010, but we didn't have Julio Jones, or the know-how to unleash a 3 headed running attack. Hopefully, that crap changes, and we see that quick strike get a big lead early Denver offense we thought we were going to get.

Well now hearing different on stock

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6475/julio-jones

Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki predicts that Alabama WR Julio Jones' foot surgery won't hurt his draft stock "in the slightest."

and the Jimmy Smith stuff

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6558/jimmy-smith

According to the Denver Post, Colorado CB Jimmy Smith's character concerns include at least one positive drug test in Boulder and two minor-in-possession arrests for alcohol.
It's worth noting that, in Combine media interviews, Smith admitted to just one MIP, which could be construed as a lie. According to the Post, some NFL teams also believe Smith "might want to be a celebrity more than he wants to be a good NFL cornerback." The consensus is that Smith is a top-15 talent who may fall to the back end of round one due to character red flags. Source: Denver Post Mar

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 11:24 AM
Well now hearing different on stock
Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki predicts that Alabama WR Julio Jones' foot surgery won't hurt his draft stock "in the slightest."
http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6475/julio-jones

Understood, but he wasn't supposed to be top 10. I'm hoping his combine has another team take him in the top 10, so more Defensive guys drop.......

But I'd still take him, if he isn't picked in the top 10.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 11:26 AM
Quick on Prince again..his combine is making him stay hot..I'd say Top 10

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6494/prince-amukamara

Nebraska CB Prince Amukamara's two "unofficial" forty times at the Combine on Tuesday was were 4.37 and 4.44.He'll be staying at cornerback. Amukamara, who measured in at 6-foot and 204 pounds earlier in the week, was believed to be in danger of running a forty in the 4.5s. We're starting to learn which draftniks to trust, and which to not. Amukamara is plenty fast, fluid, and a surefire top-12 draft pick. He also bested Patrick Peterson in the broad jump with a 10-foot, 8-inch leap.

Ole Miss Texan
03-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Understood, but he wasn't supposed to be top 10. I'm hoping his combine has another team take him in the top 10, so more Defensive guys drop.......

But I'd still take him, if he isn't picked in the top 10.
I think some of the thought of him not being top 10 is due to team needs, particularly all on defense for teams in the top 10 (err 11). There's plenty of draft boards that have him as a top 10 talent, and there actually are several teams that could select him. The combine should definitely help him, but I think he was considered a top prospect before it anyways.

gary
03-01-2011, 11:40 AM
Quick on Prince again..his combine is making him stay hot..I'd say Top 10

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6494/prince-amukamaraHe might catch the eyes of Kubiak and Phillips.

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 11:52 AM
He might catch the eyes of Kubiak and Phillips.

And I'd think they'd have to move up a few spots.

ArlingtonTexan
03-01-2011, 12:55 PM
And I'd think they'd have to move up a few spots.

Norm on the theticket reported a rumor that he heard that the Texans have a woody for Prince.

mussop
03-01-2011, 02:32 PM
On ESPN Insider they mentioned our old friend Charlie Casserly. The report is Jones has been running and working out with a broken bone in his foot and would need surgery. So that may be an issue.

I know players play hurt all the time but it seems lime this guy is always nursing an injury. Ill say it again, if we pick this guy with our first pick everyone involved should be fired on the spot.

If he is the BPA then trade down. Period!!

HoustonFrog
03-01-2011, 02:32 PM
Norm on the theticket reported a rumor that he heard that the Texans have a woody for Prince.

I also just read that Cowboys have a woody for Peterson. As in they "covet" him and he is #1 on their board. So who knows how this all shakes out with no FAs out there to sign. Could be alot of fun!...before a lcokout.

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6481/patrick-peterson


Citing sources, SI's Tony Pauline reports that the Cowboys have LSU CB Patrick Peterson ranked as the top player in the 2011 NFL draft.Their high opinion was only reinforced by Peterson's 4.32 and 4.37 forty times Tuesday at the Combine. Per Pauline, Dallas "covets" the 2010 Thorpe Award winner. The Cowboys draft ninth overall, so they may strongly consider a move up for Peterson. Terence Newman is a candidate for offseason release. Mar

mussop
03-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Norm on the theticket reported a rumor that he heard that the Texans have a woody for Prince.

So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.

The only legitimate moves this team can make are, moving up and drafting the highest rated defensive front seven player that Can have an immediate impact and blow a boatload of money in FA to make up for the picks lost

OR

Stay put and see if one of those players fall to them. If not trade down and stockpile as many picks as possible and hope they can find some gems AND spend a boatload of money in FA.

Anything other than that and no one will be able to convince me that this team really wants to win now.

disaacks3
03-01-2011, 03:08 PM
Want to see a truly depressing draft...look at Mora's. Link (http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/28/moras-mock-locker-lands-in-top-10-but-where/)

Who's gone by his top -10?

Miller, Amukamara, Peterson, Fairley, Dareus, Bowers.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 03:17 PM
So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.



:nolisten:

beerlover
03-01-2011, 03:18 PM
So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.

The only legitimate moves this team can make are, moving up and drafting the highest rated defensive front seven player that Can have an immediate impact and blow a boatload of money in FA to make up for the picks lost

OR

Stay put and see if one of those players fall to them. If not trade down and stockpile as many picks as possible and hope they can find some gems AND spend a boatload of money in FA.

Anything other than that and no one will be able to convince me that this team really wants to win now.

I prefer holding out #11 for another team to make a sweet offer to trade up. This was done back in 08 to address LT & last year in 2nd for Tate. So Rick has shown both willingness & competance to add value while addressing multiple needs. So trade down in first & keep options open to make a move in 2nd/3rd to aquire possibly three new defensive starters? Brandon Harris impressed me in drills, trade down in first & take him to fill starting CB need. Take DT or OLB with 2nd then make a move up to grab the guy for other position not yet addressed with more ammio aquiered from trading down in first.

Focus on drafting three premium defensive playmakers, fair value for respective positions in highest ranking in order of need.

mussop
03-01-2011, 07:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

Yes this is absolutely our guy. This is just what this team needs. A perfect fit!!!!

disaacks3
03-01-2011, 07:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

Yes this is absolutely our guy. This is just what this team needs. A perfect fit!!!!

Damn! That was brutal to watch. He looks like he'd fit right in though (gag).

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 07:58 PM
I know players play hurt all the time but it seems lime this guy is always nursing an injury. Ill say it again, if we pick this guy with our first pick everyone involved should be fired on the spot.

If he is the BPA then trade down. Period!!

He must've not been that bad injury wise.....he only missed one start during his entire college career. I also don't see where playing hurt is a knock against you. If you can't play hurt, you can't play in the NFL period. LOL, look at all the players who get offseason surgeries for injuries that they played with all season. It's a part of the game. So for me, he actually gets bonus points for his toughness to play through injuries...and his ability to perform at a high level with those injuries.

devo-x
03-01-2011, 08:07 PM
Texans need Safety help more than CB

Who was the last Safety drafted by the Texans?

Texan_Bill
03-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Nothing says failure more than drafting the same position in two consecutive years. :toropalm:

C'mon now!!

CloakNNNdagger
03-01-2011, 08:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg

Yes this is absolutely our guy. This is just what this team needs. A perfect fit!!!!

Like Jackson, he is without a doubt "NFL ready"......................Texans NFL ready.........

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 08:27 PM
Texans need Safety help more than CB

Who was the last Safety drafted by the Texans?

How many safeties in this draft are worth the #11 pick? There's actually supposed to be a good group of safeties available in the 2nd round.


I disagree with you though....I think CB is the #1 need, a solid veteran CB that is.

Honoring Earl 34
03-01-2011, 08:32 PM
Like Jackson, he is without a doubt "NFL ready"......................Texans NFL ready.........

I disagree , I like Prince .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-jM8CcQIQ

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 08:34 PM
Nothing says failure more than drafting the same position in two consecutive years. :toropalm:

C'mon now!!

LOL, this is so true.

Reggie Williams....Matt Jones

Charles Rodgers....Roy Williams....Mike Williams.....Epic Fail (Do we have a Matt Millen face palm? Every board league wide should have one)

Spled
03-01-2011, 08:38 PM
I wouldn't mind trading down and getting Aaron Williams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd8fk834FnI&feature=related

CloakNNNdagger
03-01-2011, 08:40 PM
I disagree , I like Prince .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-jM8CcQIQ

The few games I saw him in, his responses were somewhat sluggish and he bit on fakes. Once he was faked out, he could not seem to recover. I certainly didn't watch all of his games. But it left me with more than a question of football speed.

thunderkyss
03-01-2011, 08:46 PM
Nothing says failure more than drafting the same position in two consecutive years. :toropalm:

C'mon now!!

I agree with that, but if we failed, we failed. Lying about it doesn't help.

VTexan
03-01-2011, 08:59 PM
I know players play hurt all the time but it seems lime this guy is always nursing an injury. Ill say it again, if we pick this guy with our first pick everyone involved should be fired on the spot.

If he is the BPA then trade down. Period!!

Is that your only reason why you don't like Jones? Because he has a foot injury right now? Dude is a playmaker, a play maker that we desperately. Walters is not a legit no. 2 and if Andre goes down you want to make him your no 1? Scary.

So we would be starting off next season with prince and Jackson as our starting cornerbacks? Brilliant!!! Thats Almost as stupid as drafting a wr with our first pick.

The only legitimate moves this team can make are, moving up and drafting the highest rated defensive front seven player that Can have an immediate impact and blow a boatload of money in FA to make up for the picks lost

OR

Stay put and see if one of those players fall to them. If not trade down and stockpile as many picks as possible and hope they can find some gems AND spend a boatload of money in FA.

Anything other than that and no one will be able to convince me that this team really wants to win now.

It takes two to tango in a trade. Everyone in the whole drafts wants to trade down because they've seen the Patriots score mass amounts of picks. It seems to me all the great IMPACT players will be gone at 11 and the ones left will be project (high potential, high risk players) on the defensive of the ball. Which is why we should address Saftey, Cornerback in FA and get a player that has little risk (Jones) but still can help us immediately.

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 09:12 PM
I agree with that, but if we failed, we failed. Lying about it doesn't help.

No it doesn't help, but what happens when you royally screw up or get caught in a lie by your girlfriend? You don't try to sell her the same crap.....you go out and buy a ring/bracelet or pick up a dozen roses.

In other words, instead of just giving us the same ol same ol burn out draft picks. Start backing up some of those collosel failures by spending some real cheese in FA. Picking up a proven player would be a nice way to save face after a horrible draft pick (and yes I'm already writing Kareem Jackson off as a Bust......after just one year (which I've never done before) THAT is how bad he was and how much he looked like he didn't even belong in the UFL, much less the NFL.)

"Best NFL ready corner" :toropalm:

Texan_Bill
03-01-2011, 09:38 PM
LOL, this is so true.

Reggie Williams....Matt Jones

Charles Rodgers....Roy Williams....Mike Williams.....Epic Fail (Do we have a Matt Millen face palm? Every board league wide should have one)

:spit: A Matt Millen facepalm would be EPIC!!! Exactly!

The Pencil Neck
03-01-2011, 09:45 PM
Texans need Safety help more than CB

Who was the last Safety drafted by the Texans?

Troy Nolan, 7th round, 2009.
Dominique Barber, 6th round, 2008.
Brandon Harrison, 5th round, 2007.
C.C. Brown, 6th round, 2005.
Glen Earl, 4th round, 2004.

Maybe we should stick to FA safeties.

leebigeztx
03-01-2011, 09:56 PM
They can play Deion and Lester Hayes at corner and it wouldnt matter. If you cant get consistent pressure on the qb, lb's who can shrink windows, or safeties who can cover chunks of the field on the backend, it doesnt matter.

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 10:02 PM
They can play Deion and Lester Hayes at corner and it wouldnt matter. If you cant get consistent pressure on the qb, lb's who can shrink windows, or safeties who can cover chunks of the field on the backend, it doesnt matter.

Yeah, but getting pressure on the QB isn't just about pressure from the Dline or even LBers. Where are all the coverage sacks? With all the spread college like offenses that are now in the league today, you have to be able to cover for longer than 3 seconds. They go hand in hand. When your CBs are falling all over the field, it greatly reduces your chances at getting sacks or pressure.

CloakNNNdagger
03-01-2011, 10:12 PM
Troy Nolan, 7th round, 2009.
Dominique Barber, 6th round, 2008.
Brandon Harrison, 5th round, 2007.
C.C. Brown, 6th round, 2005.
Glen Earl, 4th round, 2004.

Maybe we should stick to FA safeties.

How could you forget Matt Stevens (originally a 3rd rounded-87th pick-1996) and picked in 2002 by Casserly and Co. (just like a "draft" pick).:toropalm:

Texan_Bill
03-01-2011, 10:42 PM
I agree with that, but if we failed, we failed. Lying about it doesn't help.

Lying about what?? We suck in the draft????

Honestly, at the end of the day, I think Kareem will be okay (Not thrinking he'll be great or anything like that. I do really do). However, if we're targeting another corner after drafting Kareem and not addressing other areas in our "D"......... Huge FAIL!

Carr Bombed
03-01-2011, 11:08 PM
Lying about what?? We suck in the draft????

Honestly, at the end of the day, I think Kareem will be okay (Not thrinking he'll be great or anything like that. I do really do). However, if we're targeting another corner after drafting Kareem and not addressing other areas in our "D"......... Huge FAIL!

So do I...as in I hope he succeeds, just am not counting on it.

thunderkyss
03-02-2011, 01:13 AM
Lying about what?? We suck in the draft????

Honestly, at the end of the day, I think Kareem will be okay (Not thrinking he'll be great or anything like that. I do really do). However, if we're targeting another corner after drafting Kareem and not addressing other areas in our "D"......... Huge FAIL!

If Wade & Smith think we have a #1 corner on this team, that's fine. If we're still in need of a #1 corner, we're still in need of a #1 corner.

If that means we need to trade back up into the bottom of the first to get him, then that's what we need to do. If they think Amukamara is the guy & he falls to us, they need to pull the trigger.

If they think McMannis can be that #1, that's fine.

I don't care how we get him, I'm just saying I wouldn't not draft a potential #1 corner just because I screwed the pooch last year. If it's still a whole, & it's just as big as any other whole, treat it accordingly.

VTexan
03-02-2011, 09:20 PM
If Wade & Smith think we have a #1 corner on this team, that's fine. If we're still in need of a #1 corner, we're still in need of a #1 corner.

If that means we need to trade back up into the bottom of the first to get him, then that's what we need to do. If they think Amukamara is the guy & he falls to us, they need to pull the trigger.

If they think McMannis can be that #1, that's fine.

I don't care how we get him, I'm just saying I wouldn't not draft a potential #1 corner just because I screwed the pooch last year. If it's still a whole, & it's just as big as any other whole, treat it accordingly.


We really need to just sign a CB. The FA field is too loaded not to land a for sure number 1 guy. I don't believe we can go another season with a rook no.1 and their growing pains.