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TexansTrueFan
04-13-2005, 12:31 AM
what this columist commenting on the draft and our needs said about Carr and Davis

"The team probably has too many other concerns to draft competitors for Carr and running back Domanick Davis, who have been steady though generally unspectacular."

Personally i feel they have both done very well. I can understand the comment about Davis just cause he has durability issues, but Carr is our man and given what he has had to work with i feel he has done a Very good job.

Link .

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/nfl/news/ABN3842611.htm

D-ReK
04-13-2005, 12:37 AM
Carr's first two years were unspectacular, but I think he proved a lot last year...The main thing he needs to improve is his TD to INT ratio...

Davis was horrible the first half of last season and needs to improve his YPC...

It's fairly easy to see why a national media outlet who has little interest in the Texans would say they have both been "unspectacular"...

Corrosion
04-13-2005, 12:47 AM
Unspectacular ...... bleh , think this guy watched the game against the Falcons when Banks got hurt , Carr came in and took off running as the whole city of Houston held their collective breath's only to watch dive head first on his long scramble get hammered , get up in obvious pain and still lead the team to a score on that drive AND a WIN ?

Actually i'd rather not have DC need to make plays like that to win games , rather that the O-line give him time to get the ball to other playmakers , the recievers to get open so he doesnt have to throw into double coverage all the time and so forth ....

TexansTrueFan
04-13-2005, 12:53 AM
yeah i agree its not like he has had all the tools need to be succesful, i mean after all he did lead this team from our inaugiral season to now, and we are still building and getting the talent needed to compete, and i mean the O-line hasnt helped him or davis.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 12:56 AM
Its fair and accurate to portray them as steady but unspectacular at this point.

TexansTrueFan
04-13-2005, 12:58 AM
Its fair and accurate to portray them as steady but unspectacular at this point.


i just figure as little time as carr has to throw in the pocket, and the lack of good run blocking for davis that it was an unfair assesment.

ocd
04-13-2005, 01:10 AM
"The team probably has too many other concerns to draft competitors for Carr and running back Domanick Davis, who have been steady though generally unspectacular."




what a joke. put either one of these guys behind something similar to the broncos o-line and carr throws for 4,000 plus yards and davis clears the 1500 mark.

thegr8fan
04-13-2005, 01:30 AM
Its fair and accurate to portray them as steady but unspectacular at this point. the Fans in the stands seemed to think this was a fairly accurate statement when they boo-ed him coming back onto the field. I believe that was the Cleveland game.

and somebody check with the Devil, cause his home just froze over. I couldn't agree more with what Vinny posted. :shocked

outofhnd
04-13-2005, 02:13 AM
The perception will change when our record changes and reflects that. These guys are not texan fans and just going on statistics

Besides who would ask a dumb question of if the texans are going to try and unseat their 1st overall pick and rookie of the year running back?

D-ReK
04-13-2005, 02:26 AM
i just figure as little time as carr has to throw in the pocket, and the lack of good run blocking for davis that it was an unfair assesment.

Carr's pass protection has never been good, so it's easy to blame the O-Line for his inconsistencies, but the run blocking for Davis was good his rookie season and was good again after they got the zone blocking down...

TSN is merely stating the obvious, neither are superstars, but they are solid...

Corrosion
04-13-2005, 03:19 AM
Its fair and accurate to portray them as steady but unspectacular at this point.

How many Spectacular players do the defending Super Bowl Champs New England Patriots have (not to mention winning three of the last four SB's) .
I wouldnt call a single one of them spectacular . They just have MANY solid players who get the job done . Might not be a "highlight reel play" every other down like some teams but who cares about highlights when you are WINNING SUPER BOWLS ? They remind me of the team i hated for most of my yoth , the Steelers of the 70's . Those guy's were NOTHING spectacular , just got the job done by being better prepared and more physical than the opposition .... Franko's Immaculate Reception not withstanding. :heh:

If DC & DD can get some better blocking and another option (possibly a TE that doesnt give away the play call when he lines up) they are solid enough to get it done

aj.
04-13-2005, 03:20 AM
what this columist commenting on the draft and our needs said about Carr and Davis




What's written seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.

Human Highlight Reel
04-13-2005, 09:40 AM
The assement on Davis is a bit harsh considering the fact that he didn't start the 03 season out as the starter, but he ended up pumpin out a 1,000 rushing yards, and he was hurt the beginning of the 04 season but still managed to pump out another 1,000 rushing yards.

Not too mention his catching ability out of the backfield, he has great hands, do you know how many teams are looking for RBs that can pump out 1,000 yrds and catch the ball ocming out of the backfield.. I say give him a break he's a good running back, not Fred Taylor or LT or Corey Dillon or Clint Po great but nevertheless I'm happy to have him on our team and I think that us as Texan's fans should cherish him cause he has proven himself as a 1,000 rusher and a great reciever out of the backfield..

All these people in the media need to get off Carr's back.. no QB in NFL history has taking a pounding like that young man and he keep getting behind that Center like he does.. He's accurate and has the cannon that other QBs dream of, with a spotty O-Line he's not going to be as Tom Brady-esque or Trent Greenlike or any of them other "Super QBs" untill that problem is fixed..

Frankly I can't think of anybody else that I would like to have QBing my team than Carr, well maybe Montana or Elway.. :cool:

edo783
04-13-2005, 09:43 AM
Considering the deficiancies of the team, to be called steady but unspectacular isn't nessesarily a major slam, but more of a commentary on where we are at as a team. Sounds about right to me.

TheOgre
04-13-2005, 09:55 AM
Carr has been uneven, spectacular one game and uninspiring the next. DD is even more streaky. He seems to be good for 2-3 games then he will disappear (like the middle of the season last year). I think this was a fair assessment.

ArlingtonTexan
04-13-2005, 10:00 AM
The guy is actually more accurate in his assessment of draft needs than most of the guys on the internet. Week in week out, Carr and Davis have proven to be starting calibur players in the NFL, but neither is approaching being considered one top at his particular position.

Grid
04-13-2005, 02:57 PM
You can portrait Carr as Steady but unspectacular.. but using that in the context of "he has been steady and unspectacular so they should draft someone to compete with him".. is just ignorance.

Carr is our guy and will remain so for a good while.. unless he stops improving... which he has yet to do.

Vinny
04-13-2005, 02:59 PM
That is not what the article stated. They said that Carr and Davis ARE good enough NOT to draft guys to compete for their spots.

HoustonLionsFan
04-13-2005, 09:01 PM
To start off, I am not starting a QB controversy or discussion, just an observation of a media and fan perspective.

Be glad the media is only saying unspectacular. Through 3 yrs, Carr and Harrington have very siimlar #'s, including wins and losses. Houston has Oline problems, Det has had WR and RB problems. Yet the media bashs Harrington pretty good, and talks highly of Carr. The fans in Det are calling for Joey's head, and the Houston fans are patiently waiting for Carr to develop. If the QB's were in opposite positions, Carr would be crucified, and Joey would just be 'developing' Again, not saying who is better (but probably, PROBABLY Carr), just a little commentary and perceptions when the 2 QB's are very similar in achievements. Be glad it is only unspectacular comments being directed his way.

infantrycak
04-13-2005, 10:11 PM
To start off, I am not starting a QB controversy or discussion, just an observation of a media and fan perspective.

Be glad the media is only saying unspectacular. Through 3 yrs, Carr and Harrington have very siimlar #'s, including wins and losses. Houston has Oline problems, Det has had WR and RB problems. Yet the media bashs Harrington pretty good, and talks highly of Carr. The fans in Det are calling for Joey's head, and the Houston fans are patiently waiting for Carr to develop. If the QB's were in opposite positions, Carr would be crucified, and Joey would just be 'developing' Again, not saying who is better (but probably, PROBABLY Carr), just a little commentary and perceptions when the 2 QB's are very similar in achievements. Be glad it is only unspectacular comments being directed his way.

Well two main possibilities here (and shades in between but we won't talk about those because they muck up the dichotomy)--(a) the fans in both cities are fairly astute and stats aside Carr really has shown more potential than Harrington and (b) fans don't know anything, but Detroit fans are less patient and more prone to shooting themselves in the foot by repeat drafting QB's for not "meeting expectations." Personally, I am going with (a) since Harrington has been sacked less times in three years (minus 20 sacks even) than Carr has been sacked in three years.

dalemurphy
04-13-2005, 10:40 PM
Its fair and accurate to portray them as steady but unspectacular at this point.

Perhaps. However, it's also silly to evaluate a 3rd year quarterback of a 3 year expansion team solely on the body of work. That description would fit Tom Brady, Donovan McNabb, Troy Aikman, Steve McNair (if solid is holding the clipboard), etc...

Other than Elway, Marino, Montana... there really aren't many/any examples of quarterbacks meeting with a lot of success in their first three years.

p.s. Brady won a Superbowl his second year but certainly was receiving accolades as a very good quarterback until his 4th season- the one after they missed the playoffs.

HoustonLionsFan
04-13-2005, 11:56 PM
a) the fans in both cities are fairly astute and stats aside Carr really has shown more potential than Harrington and... Personally, I am going with (a) since Harrington has been sacked less times in three years (minus 20 sacks even) than Carr has been sacked in three years.

I understand that point, but Joey hasn't had a run game in 2.5 yrs or a healthy WR corp for a full season (or a true #1 for a whole season). That is why I said both teams have had problems.

Both have been unspectacular and I hope both of them light it up this year. It would be much more fun to debate the 2002 QB's when they have a full team around them and are playing well :thumbup

Texansbacker
04-14-2005, 12:02 AM
The cream will rise to the top and those that can will prove themselves.

My money is on Carr and Davis to develop into top 5 talent at their respective positions, along with an already proven star in AJ this season to become the Texans Triplets.

OL will gel. Norris will stay healthy. Joppru will come through.

All possibilities and combined, would be the right ingredients for the cream to rise.

TexansTrueFan
04-14-2005, 12:43 AM
well persoanlly i was just commenting on how i thought that in order for a player to be spectacular he had to have some spectacular guys around him,,, and i say that cause a lot of people seem to think the Broncos always have "spectacular" running back. Just like Rubon Droughns do you think he could run behind our line like he does in denver ? Our do you think Peyton could pick apart defenses the same way here that he does in Indianapolis ??? Problably not so what makes them so spectacular ?

BillsfanALWAYS
04-16-2005, 02:45 PM
I watched the jacksonville game last year at the end of the season. And Davis wast playing to bad. I think hes a top15 back nothing special though. I think you guys have more needs than running back if you ask me. By the way when i was watching that game, It was jacksonville at home right? there stadium wast even close to being full. Ist that pathectic.