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HOU-TEX
02-09-2011, 05:48 PM
Hmm, I think we should at least take a look-see. He had a down year, but I'd give a shot in camp/

Zac Jackson of FOX Sports Ohio reports that the Browns have released DL Shaun Rogers.
Jackson reports that the Browns have also cut RT John St. Clair, LB Eric Barton, TE Robert Royal, and LB David Bowens. Combined, their 2011 salaries were scheduled to add up to $13.84 million. Rogers managed just two sacks in 2010 while seeing a major decline in playing time. He turns 32 in March.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

steelbtexan
02-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Hmm, I think we should at least take a look-see. He had a down year, but I'd give a shot in camp/



http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

There's our future NT. Bring Rodgers home

Rodgers and a draft pick solidifies the all important NT position.

Lets see if the Texans are serious about improving their defense.

thunderkyss
02-09-2011, 06:05 PM
Hmm, I think we should at least take a look-see. He had a down year, but I'd give a shot in camp/

Rogers managed just two sacks in 2010 while seeing a major decline in playing time.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

There's our future NT. Bring Rodgers home

Rodgers ...solidifies the all important NT position.

Lets see if the Texans are serious about improving their defense.

:headhurts:

What????

kiwitexansfan
02-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Browns discards = Championship.

TEXANS84
02-09-2011, 06:11 PM
Shaun Rogers would be a gap filling DT for sure, just don't know about the age..

steelbtexan
02-09-2011, 06:24 PM
Browns discards = Championship.

The Texans aren't winning a championship anytime soon anyway.

I would settle for a NT that wouldn't allow 4 yds on 4th and 1. Like Garrard did in the Hail Mary Jags game last yr. (Not asking for much am I ?)

Rodgers could do this.

thunderkyss
02-09-2011, 06:46 PM
The Texans aren't winning a championship anytime soon anyway.

I would settle for a NT that wouldn't allow 4 yds on 4th and 1. Like Garrard did in the Hail Mary Jags game last yr. (Not asking for much am I ?)

Rodgers could do this.

That's obviously not the reason the Browns let him go.

27th rushing defense. 4.1 YPC, 129.4 ypg.


With Rogers, we could've been
13th against the run, 4.0 ypc, 109 ypg

Doppelganger
02-09-2011, 06:50 PM
I'd sign bring him in for sure. He is a legit 3-4 NT. Problem is, FA will occur AFTER the draft this year, so we have to get a good NT prospect or two in case we cannot sign Rogers.

Texan4Ever
02-09-2011, 07:00 PM
Bowens (and maybe Barton) are worth a look and possible deal if they come cheap.

srrono
02-09-2011, 07:02 PM
The Cleveland Browns have terminated the contracts of six players, including former Pro Bowl nose tackle Shaun Rogers.
SHAUN ROGERS
* Height: 6-4
* Weight: 350
* Born: Mar 12, 1979 - Houston, TX
* College: Texas
* Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (30th pick) by the Detroit Lions

Career stats

355 solo tackles
128 asisted tackles
37.5 sacks
10 year career

link
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/41498716/ns/sports-nfl/

Hervoyel
02-09-2011, 07:37 PM
Never happen.



In June 2007, Rogers was accused of sexually assaulting Curtis Patterson. Charges were never filed due to lack of evidence.


On April 1, 2010, Rogers was arrested at Cleveland Hopkins Airport for having a loaded gun in his carry on luggage.

Assuming that's all true (Wikipedia, grain of salt) then he's not on our radar (if you can call whatever it is the Texans use to find players "radar")

Below: Texans Scout Locating Talent

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/TexansRadar.jpg

Edit: Wait up, I see a TE in there. Hmmmm......... Maybe we will get something out of this after all.

JB
02-09-2011, 07:56 PM
Wrong forum for this thread. Also, there already is one.



http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1649905#post1649905

steelbtexan
02-09-2011, 08:57 PM
Never happen.



Assuming that's all true (Wikipedia, grain of salt) then he's not on our radar (if you can call whatever it is the Texans use to find players "radar")

Below: Texans Scout Locating Talent

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/TexansRadar.jpg

Edit: Wait up, I see a TE in there. Hmmmm......... Maybe we will get something out of this after all.

Hopefully he's pointing the dish towards SEC country.

LOL

MFG16
02-09-2011, 09:30 PM
Wow the year the Texans have one of the worst defenses ever teams release both Aso and Rodgers and let Bailey walk. Theres no excuse McSmithiak, not even the CBA. NO EXCUSE. Get it done, *IF* your serious about winnning.

CloakNNNdagger
02-09-2011, 11:08 PM
One of the reasons that Rodgers is being released besides the $5.5 million in 2011 with a $500,000 roster bonus, is because the Brown's new DC Jauron will be switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3.

The Browns also didn't think that his limited availability following his 2009 season ending leg injury where he missed the entire 2010 camp was worth bringing back a 31 year old. His "leg injury" has never been identified by the team beyond "a severe ankle injury," but it would have had to have been either a ankle break or an Achilles rupture........neither if revealed/confirmed would fare well towards future trade value. Evidently, since he didn't practice all 2010, only to play on Sundays, his injury was significantly compromising his performance. For a 350+ pounder, this is something to consider before getting too excited about getting a planted tree stump.

HoustonFrog
02-09-2011, 11:33 PM
His old coach is now Dallas' D Coordinator. Bet they take a look.

playa465
02-09-2011, 11:34 PM
One of the reasons that Rodgers is being released besides the $5.5 million in 2011 with a $500,000 roster bonus, is because the Brown's new DC Jauron will be switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3.

The Browns also didn't think that his limited availability following his 2009 season ending leg injury where he missed the entire 2010 camp was worth bringing back a 31 year old. His "leg injury" has never been identified by the team beyond "a severe ankle injury," but it would have had to have been either a ankle break or an Achilles rupture........neither if revealed/confirmed would fare well towards future trade value. Evidently, since he didn't practice all 2010, only to play on Sundays, his injury was significantly compromising his performance. For a 350+ pounder, this is something to consider before getting too excited about getting a planted tree stump.

very true, plus Ahtyba Rubin had a good year making Rogers even more expendable

ChampionTexan
02-10-2011, 10:45 AM
I'd sign bring him in for sure. He is a legit 3-4 NT. Problem is, FA will occur AFTER the draft this year, so we have to get a good NT prospect or two in case we cannot sign Rogers.

Players waived (or on the street to begin with) can be signed anytime between now and March 4. I'm not sure given his age, injury situation, and recent level of performance you'd look at him as doing much to shore up the NT situation anyway, but he could be signed prior to the draft.

Link to supporting article (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-other-released-veterans-become-free-agents-now/)

El Tejano
02-10-2011, 11:12 AM
If for any other reason, for Special Teams! Sign Rodgers. Dude blocks at least one FG every year.

Rey
02-10-2011, 11:25 AM
Never happen.

Originally Posted by From his bio on Wikipedia

In June 2007, Rogers was accused of sexually assaulting Curtis Patterson. Charges were never filed due to lack of evidence.


On April 1, 2010, Rogers was arrested at Cleveland Hopkins Airport for having a loaded gun in his carry on luggage.



Assuming that's all true (Wikipedia, grain of salt) then he's not on our radar (if you can call whatever it is the Texans use to find players "radar")

Below: Texans Scout Locating Talent

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/TexansRadar.jpg

Edit: Wait up, I see a TE in there. Hmmmm......... Maybe we will get something out of this after all.


Curtis?

He sexually assaulted a Curtis?

I mean, sexual assault is a terrible thing either way...

But a Curtis?

:vincepalm:

Blake
02-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Do it. Do it. Then get me Taylor in the 2nd.

Ndevine7
02-10-2011, 02:15 PM
I think we sign rodgers and then try and draft fua if he's there in the 4th or williams in the 4th or 5th would sure up our nt need

Hookem Horns
02-10-2011, 02:38 PM
In June 2007, Rogers was accused of sexually assaulting Curtis Patterson. Charges were never filed due to lack of evidence.


Sexually assaulting boys? OK, now this picture makes sense.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9677/rogersk.jpg

Texecutioner
02-10-2011, 03:10 PM
Texans aren't touching this guy. Bad attitude and problems with the law in the past.

I'd take him for a low salary with not a lot of commitment though. The talent is there and always has been, but Rogers is a lazy under acheiver with an attitude problem that's never improved. He wasn't even the starter last season on the Browns and even they don't want him. He wasn't released just because of his salary. He wasn't worth the money or the hassle anymore to the Browns. He's not worth investing much into, but if a team can get him for a fair price without a long term commitment it's not a bad pick up.

HoustonFrog
02-10-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm not sure why the Texans would want him and it has nothing to do with being a bad boy. It has to do with his laziness and ability to disappear for a season. Even Cowboy boards are wary of this guy with his connection to Ryan. Ryan used to talk about what a stud this guy was and as of late there has been nothing. I'd say for any team getting this guy you take a minimum shot at him and walk away if another team throws cash at him.

Texans aren't touching this guy. Bad attitude and problems with the law in the past.

I'd take him for a low salary with not a lot of commitment though. The talent is there and always has been, but Rogers is a lazy under acheiver with an attitude problem that's never improved. He wasn't even the starter last season on the Browns and even they don't want him. He wasn't released just because of his salary. He wasn't worth the money or the hassle anymore to the Browns. He's not worth investing much into, but if a team can get him for a fair price without a long term commitment it's not a bad pick up.

Must have been writing..exactly.

GP
02-10-2011, 03:38 PM
Curtis?

He sexually assaulted a Curtis?

I mean, sexual assault is a terrible thing either way...

But a Curtis?

:vincepalm:

I wonder if that was someone playing a joke:

"Sexual assualt, but lack of evidence" could be construed as meaning he doesn't have anything to assault with.

Adding more salt to the wound is that they had him assaulting a man.

Although Wikipedia is often criticized for not being accurate, it often gets corrected at some point. So he might have had an unreported incident that someone threw up there and had to take down due to lack of an official case by prosecutors.

Either way, CND has made some interesting points in regards to his health.

I would like to also add that McNair/Smith/Kubiak have stated they want to catch guys on their way UP and not at the end of their careers. This guy is 31, and possibly has bad wheels and a bad attitude too. Ain't happening.

steelbtexan
02-10-2011, 04:00 PM
Agreed, it isn't going to happen.

How's that we're only going to get up and coming guys worked out for Gary and Rick so far?

texanchris
02-10-2011, 04:10 PM
http://http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-on-vandermeer-and-lopez-it-would-be-a-fairy-tail-to-play-for-houston/ (http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-on-vandermeer-and-lopez-it-would-be-a-fairy-tail-to-play-for-houston/)
He wants to come here so hopefully Rick will bring him in to help the transition to the 3-4 defense

GP
02-10-2011, 04:12 PM
http://http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-on-vandermeer-and-lopez-it-would-be-a-fairy-tail-to-play-for-houston/

Link is acting weird.

JB
02-10-2011, 04:14 PM
http://http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-on-vandermeer-and-lopez-it-would-be-a-fairy-tail-to-play-for-houston/
He wants to come here so did Aaron Schoebel so who knows.

Edit: Sorry my link isnt working...

Link is acting weird.

Because you had two http:// in it

BrandonLwowski
02-10-2011, 04:15 PM
Do you think we should go after him? we need a big body in the middle and rogers being 350 plus pounds why not...last year was hurt but why not try to pick him up once the cba is final

JB
02-10-2011, 04:16 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1650436#post1650436

texanchris
02-10-2011, 04:17 PM
QUOTE=JB;1650436]Because you had two http:// in it[/QUOTE]

Thanks, My bad. :vincepalm:

TexansFanatic
02-10-2011, 04:27 PM
Never happen.


Originally Posted by From his bio on Wikipedia

In June 2007, Rogers was accused of sexually assaulting Curtis Patterson. Charges were never filed due to lack of evidence.


On April 1, 2010, Rogers was arrested at Cleveland Hopkins Airport for having a loaded gun in his carry on luggage.

In spite of these blemishes on his record, I've heard more than one person say Rogers is a really good man.

The sexual assault charge was dropped due to lack of evidence, which could mean it simply didn't happen.

The gun thing was a stupid mistake.

Doppelganger
02-10-2011, 04:42 PM
Players waived (or on the street to begin with) can be signed anytime between now and March 4. I'm not sure given his age, injury situation, and recent level of performance you'd look at him as doing much to shore up the NT situation anyway, but he could be signed prior to the draft.

Link to supporting article (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-other-released-veterans-become-free-agents-now/)

Awesome! Thanks!

What do they have to lose by signing him? At worst he could be a pretty good teacher for a drafted NT prospect.

Texecutioner
02-10-2011, 04:58 PM
Awesome! Thanks!

What do they have to lose by signing him? At worst he could be a pretty good teacher for a drafted NT prospect.

A lot of money like the last few teams that have had Rogers. Because of his talent alone he might be able to rape some other team on the market again, but I doubt it. If you get him for a good deal that's fair he's worth the risk especially if you're the Texans, but Rogers has never been a consistently great player. And as far as him teaching you can forget about that. He's not the type and he needs more teaching than anyone really. He still doesn't get what it takes to be a solid professional and that's why even the Browns don't want him.

leebigeztx
02-10-2011, 05:56 PM
I'm not sure why the Texans would want him and it has nothing to do with being a bad boy. It has to do with his laziness and ability to disappear for a season. Even Cowboy boards are wary of this guy with his connection to Ryan. Ryan used to talk about what a stud this guy was and as of late there has been nothing. I'd say for any team getting this guy you take a minimum shot at him and walk away if another team throws cash at him.


Must have been writing..exactly.

This is why the texans have been so average over the years. Talent trumps the other stuff. The guy is dominant at times and changes the los. Does that mean he will dominate every snap? No, but neither does casey hampton and alot of other 350 lbs d-lineman. You get the guy because he forces double teams, has first step quickness, and can dominate at time. You dont ask rogers to play 70 snaps, you play him 35-50 snaps and you rotate him in with another player. He's a 1st and 2nd down type of player like ted washington was and he played well into his late 30's.

The ideal situation would be rogers on early downs and a guy with more wiggle on passing situations. Maybe even use Okoye on 3rd down on the nose. Alan branch and rogers as nt's make the most sense economically. Either that or spend a boatload on Franklin.

BetaV1
02-10-2011, 06:07 PM
He may be a "lazy underachiever" but I'll take a lazy pro-bowler over half the starters on this defense right now.

Sign him. If a player can improve your team, you sign him. That simple. I understand that whole need to be WARY (lol c wat i did thar) about his past, but this is time for the front office to put up or shut up. They need to at least show interest in the guy. Be competitive with whatever team or two is looking at him.

Carr Bombed
02-10-2011, 07:34 PM
Texans aren't touching this guy. Bad attitude and problems with the law in the past.

And I doubt that would have anything to do with their decision not to take him....if that is their decision. That argument is completely overblown and false. Brian Cushing, Amobi Okoye, and Bernard Pollard all had attitude questions or red flags around them before we decided to add them to our team. The Texans don't want knuckleheads, but neither does any other team in the league. They all want to stay away from the Pacman Jones' of the world...and I don't blame them, but that doesn't mean they'll flat out ignore every player with a question mark.

gary
02-10-2011, 07:49 PM
Everyone knows how talented Shaun is but he has to come ready to play with his head in the game.

Doppelganger
02-10-2011, 08:00 PM
A lot of money like the last few teams that have had Rogers. Because of his talent alone he might be able to rape some other team on the market again, but I doubt it. If you get him for a good deal that's fair he's worth the risk especially if you're the Texans, but Rogers has never been a consistently great player. And as far as him teaching you can forget about that. He's not the type and he needs more teaching than anyone really. He still doesn't get what it takes to be a solid professional and that's why even the Browns don't want him.

He is multiple time probowler and has been a second team All Pro team member. No Texas DTs have made the probowl or been an All Pro team member.

He is light years ahead of anything we have on this team right now.

srrono
02-10-2011, 08:00 PM
Shaun Rogers was released by the Browns today. He is free to sign with any team he chooses. Immediately.

Rogers loves Houston. It is home.

Rogers plays nose tackle. The Texans need a nose tackle. The Texans have never had an interior defensive lineman as good as Rogers. Rogers has blocked 14 field goals and three extra points in his career.

I believe the Texans have a total of five blocked field goals and two blocked extra points in franchise history. (To be fair, Rogers has been around one season longer than the Texans.)

Rogers had an off-season for him because of injuries (he played only about 40 percent of the defensive snaps), but he played through them anyway even when he probably shouldn't have been on the field. He will be motivated to get back on top.

Rogers and Shaun Cody would be a great duo at nose tackle in Wade Phillips' defense. Texans and Rogers, a marriage made in heaven.

Something you may not want to know, Solomon: According to divorcerate.org, about 50 percent of first marriages end in divorce; 67 percent of second marriages go that route; and 74 percent of third marriages go the Splitsville way.

Of note, the Texans -- or Cowboys -- would be Rogers' third, um, team.


http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/02/pm_cleveland_browns_links_85.html

thunderkyss
02-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Shaun Rogers was released by the Browns today. He is free to sign with any team he chooses. Immediately.

Rogers loves Houston. It is home.

Rogers plays nose tackle. The Texans need a nose tackle. The Texans have never had an interior defensive lineman as good as Rogers. Rogers has blocked 14 field goals and three extra points in his career.

I believe the Texans have a total of five blocked field goals and two blocked extra points in franchise history. (To be fair, Rogers has been around one season longer than the Texans.)

Rogers had an off-season for him because of injuries (he played only about 40 percent of the defensive snaps), but he played through them anyway even when he probably shouldn't have been on the field. He will be motivated to get back on top.

Rogers and Shaun Cody would be a great duo at nose tackle in Wade Phillips' defense. Texans and Rogers, a marriage made in heaven.

Something you may not want to know, Solomon: According to divorcerate.org, about 50 percent of first marriages end in divorce; 67 percent of second marriages go that route; and 74 percent of third marriages go the Splitsville way.

Of note, the Texans -- or Cowboys -- would be Rogers' third, um, team.


http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/index.ssf/2011/02/pm_cleveland_browns_links_85.html

After listening to the interview previously posted in this thread, I agree. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy. Sit down, talk to the man, find out what he's about.

If he truly wants to play, if he truly believes he is that missing piece we need, I'd sign him. I'd try to low ball him of course, but I'd make sure he doesn't leave Houston without signing on the dotted line.


however, I don't know that he could be signed until there is a CBA in place.

JB
02-10-2011, 08:11 PM
After listening to the interview previously posted in this thread, I agree. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy. Sit down, talk to the man, find out what he's about.

If he truly wants to play, if he truly believes he is that missing piece we need, I'd sign him. I'd try to low ball him of course, but I'd make sure he doesn't leave Houston without signing on the dotted line.


however, I don't know that he could be signed until there is a CBA in place.

He was released. He can sign with any team under the old CBA any time before March 3. However, teams might be leary of signing, because they don't know what the new CBA will bring.

drs23
02-10-2011, 08:21 PM
He was released. He can sign with any team under the old CBA any time before March 3. However, teams might be leary of signing, because they don't know what the new CBA will bring.

In what regard JB? If they do a deal right now, it's a deal, right? How would the future CBA (which ain't gonna happen) affect a deal inked today?

On a side note...is there a deadline for all teams to release players that contracts that will not be renewed, URFA's, RFA's or players they just aren't bringing back?

JB
02-10-2011, 08:34 PM
In what regard JB? If they do a deal right now, it's a deal, right? How would the future CBA (which ain't gonna happen) affect a deal inked today?

On a side note...is there a deadline for all teams to release players that contracts that will not be renewed, URFA's, RFA's or players they just aren't bringing back?


Salary cap ring any bells? Not to mention any signing bonus would enable that player to make it through a potential lockout much easier.

drs23
02-10-2011, 08:52 PM
Salary cap ring any bells? Not to mention any signing bonus would enable that player to make it through a potential lockout much easier.

Salary cap didn't ring any bells. They've gotta sign some folks from somewhere, somehow at a coupla positions, agreed? Whether FA's, released players or whatever. Would not the salary cap be a focus point on any player aquasition?

JB
02-10-2011, 08:55 PM
Salary cap didn't ring any bells. They've gotta sign some folks from somewhere, somehow at a coupla positions, agreed? Whether FA's, released players or whatever. Would not the salary cap be a focus point on any player aquasition?

If they don't know what the cap would be, then they don't know how much room they currently have. I really don't think that would slow them down much though. I think a hard line stance of refusing to sign any current nfl players would slow them down more. And they cannot sign any player that is not released outright prior to March 3. If there is no CBA, there will be no FA's, other than those that are released.

Texan_Bill
02-10-2011, 08:58 PM
Hmm, I think we should at least take a look-see. He had a down year, but I'd give a shot in camp/



http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

I'm late to this thread (obviously), but yeah, I would kick the tires.

drs23
02-10-2011, 09:04 PM
If they don't know what the cap would be, then they don't know how much room they currently have. I really don't think that would slow them down much though. I think a hard line stance of refusing to sign any current nfl players would slow them down more. And they cannot sign any player that is not released outright prior to March 3. If there is no CBA, there will be no FA's, other than those that are released.

OK, we're on the same page then. I was just reflecting on what I've heard/read about the cap remaing the same or even being elevated slightly perhaps, (memory-no link). If that's the case then all these released players are deader than mackerels until a new CBA? Unless one of the 'damn the torpedos, full speed ahead' teams do it anyway?

JB
02-10-2011, 09:08 PM
OK, we're on the same page then. I was just reflecting on what I've heard/read about the cap remaing the same or even being elevated slightly perhaps, (memory-no link). If that's the case then all these released players are deader than mackerels until a new CBA? Unless one of the 'damn the torpedos, full speed ahead' teams do it anyway?

I think the biggest telling point will be if we see any of these players signed. If the owners are serious, they will not want to give money to a guy to sit out for awhile. Why buy a truck if you can't drive it for six months?

Corrosion
02-10-2011, 10:05 PM
Hopefully he's pointing the dish towards SEC country.

LOL



Its pointed twards Mexico , they are looking for soccer players to turn into TE's.

76Texan
02-10-2011, 11:55 PM
I was listening to 610 this morning.
They played an audio in which Rogers says he wants to play for the Texans.

SAMURAITEXAN
02-10-2011, 11:58 PM
I was listening to 610 this morning.
They played an audio in which Rogers says he wants to play for the Texans.

Sounds good to me. Bring him home.

srrono
02-11-2011, 03:28 AM
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-on-vandermeer-and-lopez-it-would-be-a-fairy-tail-to-play-for-houston/

rogers interview about being cut and his availibility

Hookem Horns
02-11-2011, 04:31 AM
No Texas DTs have made the probowl or been an All Pro team member.



Wasn't Shaun Rogers a Texas DT? ;)

steelbtexan
02-11-2011, 11:11 AM
N.D. Kalu works out with Rodgers and speaks highly of Rodgers work ethic.

That's good enough for me. Sign him up. NOW !!!!!!

BigBull17
02-11-2011, 11:50 AM
Curtis?

He sexually assaulted a Curtis?

I mean, sexual assault is a terrible thing either way...

But a Curtis?

:vincepalm:

Being sexually assaulted by a 350+ pound black man sounds like a bad weekend, BTW...

Hookem Horns
02-11-2011, 11:52 AM
Being sexually assaulted by a 350+ pound black man sounds like a bad weekend, BTW...

Or a bad 20 years sentence.

Section516
02-11-2011, 11:58 AM
Visiting Washington Redskins..

@Adam_Schefter Former Browns DL Shaun Rogers is visiting the Redskins today. Rogers already has been contacted by multiple teams. #nicetobewanted 19 minutes ago

HoustonFrog
02-11-2011, 12:05 PM
This is why the texans have been so average over the years. Talent trumps the other stuff. The guy is dominant at times and changes the los. Does that mean he will dominate every snap? No, but neither does casey hampton and alot of other 350 lbs d-lineman. You get the guy because he forces double teams, has first step quickness, and can dominate at time. You dont ask rogers to play 70 snaps, you play him 35-50 snaps and you rotate him in with another player. He's a 1st and 2nd down type of player like ted washington was and he played well into his late 30's.

The ideal situation would be rogers on early downs and a guy with more wiggle on passing situations. Maybe even use Okoye on 3rd down on the nose. Alan branch and rogers as nt's make the most sense economically. Either that or spend a boatload on Franklin.

Believe me I've been one of the ones saying the Texans need to change their stripes and go after talent, despite the background. Heck, I'm a Cowboy fan and see it yearly. But in this case I think his talent is becoming overhyped considering how much he takes off in my book. I mean the Browns are cutting the guy. cost cutting or not, that is an issue for me. As I said, for the right price you can get him and play him 20 snaps. I wouldn't break the bank for the guy.

GP
02-11-2011, 12:15 PM
It's shocking that a player would name Houston as a dream scenario.

Except it isn't, actually. Our team's previous 5 years have proven that once you make the roster...you're in as long as you don't get hurt. Steve Slaton being the chief example of my theory. Kris Brown being a lesser example. I don't want to hear how it was mid-season and blah blah blah. You cut kickers who get the shanks no matter how many games are left, and this team's decision-makers couldn't bear to do it. And to add insult to fan injury, they hold a "kicker's competition" as if we had two rookies and had to figure out which is more clutch. LOL. Wow.

Hell, Travis Johnson was here way too long. And Amobi Okoye, though some of his apologists here will disagree, is an inch away from Travis Johnson status too.

The personnel decisions have baffled me. I'd prefer it if Wade just started cleaning house and showing that he's not afraid to make some cuts and add some free agents he can start fresh with. Rogers would have to perform a serious turn-around AND he's got issues with his wheels. And is big. This feels like a Casserly-type of move if it were seriously being considered and/or happened.

Back to the topic, though: Rogers is getting mixed reviews here. I'm seeing conflicting info. Plus, it bothers me that the Redskins are looking at this guy. I'm just sayin'.......smoke everywhere.

ArlingtonTexan
02-11-2011, 12:18 PM
Visiting Washington Redskins..

@Adam_Schefter Former Browns DL Shaun Rogers is visiting the Redskins today. Rogers already has been contacted by multiple teams. #nicetobewanted 19 minutes ago





http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/10/shaun-rogers-may-visit-the-redskins/

HoustonFrog
02-11-2011, 12:52 PM
Here is some info on what Rob Ryan thought about him. Alot of backhanded stuff ...great when trying and healthy basically.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20110211-new-cowboys-dc-rob-ryan-had-no-problems-with-dt-shaun-rogers.ece

Cleveland on Wednesday released mammoth nose tackle Shaun Rogers, who had an injury-riddled and disappointing season. New Cowboys' defensive coordinator Rob Ryan ran the Cleveland defense for the last two seasons and professed to like Rogers even during the unproductive season that raised questions about his effort and attitude.

Ryan said during a mid-December media briefing last season that he had no issues with how Rogers played.

"He doesn't need to be in front, doesn't want to be in front," Ryan said. "There are some guys that like to be in front, if you dont know theyll tell you about it. There are guys like that and coaches like that, but some people like to sit back. He (Rogers) does that. He likes his teammates to get all the glory.

"I just wish we had him where he could practice all the time, where he could be healthy. It would be great to see because he really is a dominating force. He's won games for us just by his effort."

According to media reports, Washington has already approached Rogers.

texdawg
02-11-2011, 01:29 PM
I'm a little late to this thread but better late than never. I've watched every Browns game for the last few years and have participated in more Rogers threads on Browns' fan boards than I could possibly count.

When he first came to Cleveland he was motivated and had some dominant performances. In the last year or so, basically since Mangini came to town, his production has really dropped off. Some due to injuries and some due to attitude. Due to his injuries and lack of playing time Rubin was drafted to fill in/replace Rogers.

A knock I've had with Rogers, and echoed by many other observers, is that Rogers likes to free-lance on the line and not maintain his assignments. Rogers likes to bull rush strait up the middle and avoid engaging blockers and holding the point. If you watch him closely, he'll rush up the middle avoiding blockers and leaving gaping holes where he should be. The blockers would basically push him to the side creating a free blocker to the second level, creating a massive lane.

Most of us fans wanted him to be moved to DE in the 3/4 to take advantage of his quickness and desire to blitz the QB. We all figured that would be a win/win. Very seldom if ever did that happen.

Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.

If he comes to the Texans, just watch how he plays on the line and see if what I'm telling you is correct. I doubt if this cat changes his spots.

GP
02-11-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm a little late to this thread but better late than never. I've watched every Browns game for the last few years and have participated in more Rogers threads on Browns' fan boards than I could possibly count.

When he first came to Cleveland he was motivated and had some dominant performances. In the last year or so, basically since Mangini came to town, his production has really dropped off. Some due to injuries and some due to attitude. Due to his injuries and lack of playing time Rubin was drafted to fill in/replace Rogers.

A knock I've had with Rogers, and echoed by many other observers, is that Rogers likes to free-lance on the line and not maintain his assignments. Rogers likes to bull rush strait up the middle and avoid engaging blockers and holding the point. If you watch him closely, he'll rush up the middle avoiding blockers and leaving gaping holes where he should be. The blockers would basically push him to the side creating a free blocker to the second level, creating a massive lane.

Most of us fans wanted him to be moved to DE in the 3/4 to take advantage of his quickness and desire to blitz the QB. We all figured that would be a win/win. Very seldom if ever did that happen.

Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.

If he comes to the Texans, just watch how he plays on the line and see if what I'm telling you is correct. I doubt if this cat changes his spots.

Wow! Thanks for the info, man.

Sounds interesting. Sounds like he has a mind of his own and it might harm the team more than it helps. And I see what you're saying: Once a guy gets older and feels that's his style of play...it's hard to change those spots.

It sounds like the Redskins are trying to repeat Haynesworth history, though, which might spare our team the grief!

gary
02-11-2011, 01:43 PM
Answer this one question. Is he better than any DT/NT the Texans have ever had? I'd say yes. So, I'd still give him a chance.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2011, 02:06 PM
Playing the field

According to ESPN Dallas' Calvin Watkins, close to 10 teams are interested in free agent Shaun Rodgers.

ESPN's Adam Schefter confirms that Rogers has been contacted by "multiple" teams. Rogers is visiting the Redskins Friday, though it's believed to be nothing more than an exploratory meeting. Rogers is best used on a four-man line as a disruptive pass rusher, but he can still be effective as a more conventional nose tackle if necessary.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2011, 02:09 PM
Redskins making a play for Rogers? (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/25102/redskins-making-a-play-for-rogers)February, 11, 2011 Feb 11:44PM ET By Matt Mosley

The Cleveland Browns released nose tackle Shaun Rogers on Wednesday, and it didn't take long for the Washington Redskins to swing into action. Rogers will be at Redskins Park for a visit today, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.

The Washington Post reported that the talks between Rogers and the Redskins are "extremely preliminary." Rogers will turn 32 soon and he's coming off an unproductive season for the Browns (17 tackles, 2 sacks). Former Cleveland defensive coordinator Rob Ryan, now with the Cowboys, defended Rogers this past December and has always liked the player. If the Cowboys signed him, it would likely signal Jay Ratliff's move to defensive end.

Ratliff's coming off a down season by his standards and he's apparently open to a move. J.I. Halsell from the Post has some helpful analysis on what it might take to sign a player of Rogers' caliber. And ESPN.com AFC North blogger James Walker says that Rogers hasn't been the same player since a huge season in '08.

Rogers is by no means an elite player, but he could still be effective in the middle of a 3-4 scheme. But if you need a guy who can play all 16 games, Rogers isn't the man for the job.

The1ApplePie
02-11-2011, 02:16 PM
Like basketball, a quality big is hard to find. That's why even a better than average guy like Rogers is getting so many looks.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2011, 02:32 PM
Twitter@BrianGalliford: Dick Jauron coached S. Rogers in DET, wanted him in Buffalo (got Stroud instead). If he's OK with cutting him, that's all you need to know.

BTW, Detroit for all those years played the 4-3. Most of Roger's career was in Detroit.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2011, 02:43 PM
If the Texans are seriously considering signing him, I certainly hope that they have contracted with someone other than their often clueless regular Doc-In-The-Box to evaluate his injury status prior to an offer.:wadepalm::kubepalm:

BetaV1
02-11-2011, 04:01 PM
If I played for the Lions and Browns, I'd have attitude issues too.

Rodgers certainly did play most of his career in Detroit, with a season or two at defensive end, but one of his most successful seasons was as the nose tackle on the Browns. I don't think anyone here is advocating breaking the bank on the guy, but he'll be a clear upgrade to a position on a new defensive scheme that we'd otherwise be going into the draft with a big question mark. At least with Rodgers, we don't necessarily have to spurge our first rounder on a nose tackle if the quality of players at that position isn't there.

Just gotta hope there aren't that many teams looking to drive his price up so we could get him for a decent ra-

According to ESPN Dallas' Calvin Watkins, close to 10 teams are interested in free agent Shaun Rodgers...

FML

texdawg
02-11-2011, 04:40 PM
Just an FYI-Rogers played for Dick Jauron in Detroit. Dick Jauron is now the defensive coordinator for the Browns.

Rogers was due a $500,000 bonus and a salary of 5.5 mil this year. Ahtyba Rubin who I believe was a 6th round draft choice is due a salary of $550,000. Rubin has outplayed Rogers hands down, no argument!

Rubin is a much better fit and younger and cheaper. Rubin is who the Texans should be trying to get.

Besides, if Rogers goes to the Redskins and they pair him Haynesworth, the meltdown of those two idiots on the same team will be epic. LOL

m5kwatts
02-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Yeah, I don't think this indicates Rogers is a good fit here.....

Browns G.M. Tom Heckert said that all the losing Rogers has done over the years has affected him.

“Shaun’s a different cat,” Heckert told Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. “Shaun’s whole thing — and he’s stated a million times — is that he’s never been on a team that’s any good. Every team he’s ever been on has been bad. Right or wrong, I think it’s taken a toll on him.”

Translation: Rogers half-assed his way through his last season despite having the highest base salary on the team. So it was easy to cut him.

Rogers’ first trip as a free agent was to Washington. Rogers has suffered through ten straight losing seasons as a player and the Redskins don’t seem like the best option if he’s concerned with winning above all.

“I think if he went to a good team, things might change. I don’t know,” Heckert said.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/11/tom-heckert-sends-a-warning-message-about-shaun-rogers/

Texecutioner
02-11-2011, 10:56 PM
Put him on the line shoulder to shoulder with other DTs on 3rd and short or 4th and short and he's a beast. Line him up on field goal attempts shoulder to shoulder and he's a beast.

He's that guy that you can love at times and hate at times. He's that guy that drives coaches crazy. He's not disiplined. He'll constanly be overweight and out of shape and unable to practice. Sure as hell not worth the 5 mil due him in Cleveland. Most fans are glad to see him go.

Described him perfectly and your description is exactly why I said earlier that he's not worth any amount of money that isn't just fair market value for an average DT his age. His talent may not be average but over all he's just another average DT because there is no consistency with him and you never know what you're going to get. When he's into it and he's going full force he's practically unstoppable, but that's very rare when he's at that point.

Rogers is the last kind of player that the Texans need right now honestly. He may fill a position of huge need around here, but I won't fault the organization for not going after him. He's not worth the trouble and he probably only wants to come out here because the coaches are relaxed and sweet. A player's coach is the last thing you want for a guy like Rogers.

CloakNNNdagger
02-11-2011, 11:42 PM
Yeah, I don't think this indicates Rogers is a good fit here.....




http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/11/tom-heckert-sends-a-warning-message-about-shaun-rogers/


Rogers can probably be a productive part of a winning team if he’s willing to take less money. Players rarely make that sacrifice, though, so Heckert’s comments should serve as a warning to Washington’s front office.

They don’t exactly have a great track record with mercurial veteran defensive tackles.

........Neither do the Texans...........

m5kwatts
02-12-2011, 01:49 AM
........Neither do the Texans...........

If the Browns GM is right, I don't want him coming to the Texans just to have another check to cash. I want him excited and motivated, how the heck is our 6-10 record gonna inspire him to ball out?

playa465
02-12-2011, 09:41 AM
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).

CloakNNNdagger
02-12-2011, 10:45 AM
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).

Difference is the RB QUIT, leaving multi-millions out there. I don't remember anywhere it is written that Rogers was tired of cashing his lucrative paychecks.:kitten:

BetaV1
02-12-2011, 10:49 AM
Bring him in with a low based contract that gives him decent incentives if he reaches certain goals...as far as losing, who wouldnt be affected by going from Detroit to the Browns, although they both can only go up. Didn't one of the greatest RBs leave the game b/c he was tired of losing? Like someone stated, he's better than any DT/NT that we have (shameful but true).

That's exactly the point. While Barry didn't take games off, he quit because he couldn't stand the thought of ruining his body for no reason other than money. To him, the pay wasn't worth it. We have an example of this today with Carson Palmer.

I must concede a good point has been brought up about Rodgers' and his motivation to play for the 6-10 Texans. The Browns were only one game worse than us last year, so would a single game suddenly change the man? I doubt it has so much to do with the wins, but also the environment. Mangini was an egotistical monster and the Detroit is essentially a third world country. Even with a 6-10 record, you would be hard to argue that many (if any?) Texan players were phoning it in.

gary
02-12-2011, 11:31 AM
I'd give him an incentive based contract with a reasonable amount of money up front. I'd much rather rely on a Probowler while easing a rookie into the fold in two or three years JMO.

steelbtexan
02-12-2011, 11:56 AM
I'd give him an incentive based contract with a reasonable amount of money up front. I'd much rather rely on a Probowler while easing a rookie into the fold in two or three years JMO.

You are a wise young man.

I wish the other Gary was aswise as you are.

Of course you've had many more obsticales to overcome in life than the other Gary and this could have something to to with his insecurity.

HoustonFrog
02-12-2011, 12:00 PM
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.

TimeKiller
02-12-2011, 12:24 PM
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.

Have you ever heard anything negative about any Texans players work ethic? The guys who slack off don't play and eventually are moved and there are a fair amount of examples. So he comes here and sees guys like Andre and Mario working and he feels the fire again, fills that big guy role that they need. They would never blow the door down with money but I bet they would sign him to a team friendly deal with a few incentives if he goes crazy. Crazier things have happened...

gary
02-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Here is my biggest issue. I keep reading that "losing has taken a toll on him" like it was some sort of a sympathy card. Well you know what you do...play harder so the other guys see it and then you start winning. Winning is an attitude and about work. Why would you want a guy who doesn't put out effort the minute he starts losing. You want someone who wants to change that, not roll around in it.True, but you have to sign not just Shaun but also another player to impact the defense. Prove to the whole team that you are willing to correct holes which were there the season before. What needs to be done is a winning attitude for the whole team. That change begins with McNair and funnels on down to the players. I would just hate to have a rookie starting once again i.e. Kareem Jackson.

CloakNNNdagger
02-12-2011, 03:17 PM
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."

playa465
02-12-2011, 07:57 PM
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."

so true indeed!!!

steelbtexan
02-12-2011, 08:20 PM
With as many teams likely to be in hunt, I believe that all this discussion about the "sign him to a friendly contract" is discussion in vain. Someone out there is going to offer him a significant contract, on top of incentives. Most of us are guessing at the value of players. Unfortunately, it seems that even with all the great scouts we supposedly have, decisions seem to always be wishy washy. No "we're going to whole-heartedly go after" a guy rather than "let's think about this some more." By the time we "think about things," most of the players have already been signed by another team.......or they feel like they've been played, get pissed and give us the word to "take a hike."

Cant Rep you

But this sounds like the organization BoB described. When he was talking about how decisions were made about drafting players.

BetaV1
02-15-2011, 04:09 PM
A bit of an update on this topic...

Shaun Rogers reveals that he played with a sufficient injury last year with the Browns. Rogers on signing with Houston:

“Like I said it would be most definitely a fairy tale situation, but again you just look forward to exploring all opportunities and hopefully whoever reaches out to me and wherever I go it will most definitely be a positive experience.”

Credit to Cleveland.com (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/02/former_cleveland_browns_dl_sha.html)

A pro-bowler naming Houston a "fairy tale situation"?!?! THIS CAN'T BE!!!

HOU-TEX
02-15-2011, 04:16 PM
Off-topic:

Was I the only one that noticed Ray Rhodes was hired by the Browns shortly after "retiring" from the Texans?

steelbtexan
02-15-2011, 04:32 PM
He retired for less than a month. LOL

I would like to hear Rhodes talk about what went on with the Texans defense last yr.

drs23
02-16-2011, 04:31 PM
Off-topic:

Was I the only one that noticed Ray Rhodes was hired by the Browns shortly after "retiring" from the Texans?

Hadn't heard that HT. Guess he got well pretty quick, huh?:kitten:

HOU-TEX
02-16-2011, 04:53 PM
Hadn't heard that HT. Guess he got well pretty quick, huh?:kitten:

If I were to guess, I'd say it was more us forcing him to retire due changing defensive schemes. This way it wouldn't look like we were firing him.

drs23
02-16-2011, 05:05 PM
Could be, hadn't thought of that. They're going back to a 4-3 so that makes sense.