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Double Barrel
02-03-2011, 10:41 AM
Why Was Cowboys Stadium Exempt From Blackouts?

As brief power outages rolled across the state on Wednesday, certain places were intended to be exempt from a temporary loss of electricity. That included hospitals, nursing homes, fire stations, police stations, other emergency response facilities… and Cowboys Stadium?

When officials with Oncor said that the Arlington site of Sunday’s Super Bowl XLV would not be a part of the rolling outages, many residents became furious. But this was not entirely a choice made by the local utility company.

With thousands of reporters huddled in North Texas hotels and thousands of rabid football fans attending the NFL Experience at the Dallas Convention Center, and two football teams preparing to do battle on the field of Cowboys Stadium this Sunday, the North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee had a big request to make. “It is vitally important we don’t have blackouts,” said committee vice president Tony Fay.

Fay asked the City of Dallas, the City of Fort Worth and the City of Arlington to ensure that rolling blackouts did not prevent planned events from happening at Super Bowl venues. That news really steamed up some homeowners who were left without power for hours. “We’re not prioritizing,” said frustrated Plano resident Allen Hooser. “Hospitals and the grocery store, which is out. But for a PR stunt, where you can go throw a football, you have power and heat.”

Full story (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/02/03/why-was-cowboys-stadium-exempt-from-blackouts/)

Read the comments for full effect.. The proletariat is disenfranchised. It does beg the question why the stadium doesn't use (or have?) backup power generators in times like this.

GuerillaBlack
02-03-2011, 10:56 AM
Pretty understandable why the Cowboys Stadium didn't have to deal with blackouts.

MojoMan
02-03-2011, 10:57 AM
Football Uber Alles.

Double Barrel
02-03-2011, 11:01 AM
Pretty understandable why the Cowboys Stadium didn't have to deal with blackouts.

To be honest, I wasn't surprised that it was granted continuous power for a lot of reasons.

I just found the story interesting as a football fan and I can also understand why many local residents are not too happy about it. Seeing power for a 60 yard wide tv over basic heat for residents during a blizzard does seem like misplaced priorities.

I still don't get why the stadium doesn't have it's own backup power source, especially considering the price tag for that thing.

infantrycak
02-03-2011, 11:06 AM
I still don't get why the stadium doesn't have it's own backup power source, especially considering the price tag for that thing.

Seems kind of logical to me. The expense would be huge and let's face it, it is a non-essential facility that only gets used a few times a year (unless you made it part of a plan for some sort of emergency contingency). Heck that might be a reason they didn't put generators in - so it doesn't get used and abused in an emergency.

Ole Miss Texan
02-03-2011, 11:33 AM
Some PR stunt? If that's how they want to look at it so be it but there is no telling how many millions and millions of dollars this week and little PR stunt is bringing to the city of Dallas.

Completely understandable to me not to shut the power off to the stadium. Not using the giant jumbotron until the actual superbowl I can understand but getting worked up over keeping the power on at the stadium doesn't make too much sense to me.

It sucks peoples power is out at their home, I do feel bad for them. But if this happened at Reliant and we were having the Super Bowl, then it wouldn't bother me... even if my power was out. Probably a bunch of people who don't like organized sports or the traffic anyways. The City is receiving so much income from this though, just put up and shut up.

Texan_Bill
02-03-2011, 11:37 AM
I remember when Reliant lost power, *cough FILO cough*!

http://www.funfonix.com/clipart/balloon.gif

They had to finish the game under back-up generators/power.



I just feel fortunate here at my office, that we are on the same grid as the Firehouse nearby.

Joe Texan
02-03-2011, 12:14 PM
Balloones rolled through houston one year, and one got snagged on a truck near Filos tailgate is how I heard it

TEXANRED
02-03-2011, 12:18 PM
Read the comments for full effect.. The proletariat is disenfranchised. It does beg the question why the stadium doesn't use (or have?) backup power generators in times like this.

That money was used to build the biggest TV screen ever.

Stemp
02-03-2011, 12:31 PM
My office is on the same grid as Wal-Mart and Sams. We didn't lose power once!

TimeKiller
02-03-2011, 12:37 PM
.....or anywhere with money. I live near river oaks....never even a blip on the power. Was in the heart of the woodlands too, they didn't even know WHY there were statewide rolling power breaks. I know this is hard to swallow for some folks but that makes it no less true, people with money are taken care of first. Same for when IKE blew through, my power (and all the rich anuses living around me) was on the next day. Took two weeks to get it back on around Airline (where I work) is.

eriadoc
02-03-2011, 12:43 PM
In the immortal words of Mel Brooks, "It's good to be the king."

FirstTexansFan
02-03-2011, 12:54 PM
In the immortal words of Mel Brooks, "It's good to be the king."

History of the World Part 1 :) I'd rep ya, but you know the rules! :(

JB
02-03-2011, 01:09 PM
History of the World Part 1 :) I'd rep ya, but you know the rules! :(

I'm still waiting for Part II

ArlingtonTexan
02-03-2011, 01:12 PM
The two most cited reasons here are

1) Homeland security issues.
2) That the power surge of repowering would use more energy than it saved (btw, I heard this is true in other high usage areas).

FWIW, this stadium is used at least twice as much as Reliant. Jerry is keeping that place busy. Anyway from what I understand, the backup generation is just to keep normally essential items on versus everything.

Just to Note: I stay about 5 to 6 miles from the Stadium and did not get a rolling balckout on yesterday. Obviously, today is still in limbo.

GuerillaBlack
02-03-2011, 01:20 PM
.....or anywhere with money. I live near river oaks....never even a blip on the power. Was in the heart of the woodlands too, they didn't even know WHY there were statewide rolling power breaks. I know this is hard to swallow for some folks but that makes it no less true, people with money are taken care of first. Same for when IKE blew through, my power (and all the rich anuses living around me) was on the next day. Took two weeks to get it back on around Airline (where I work) is.

Or maybe the freezes weren't as bad in Houston? I live in DFW, and the really rich neighborhoods in the areas I live near got their power cut off like everyone else. Maybe the people in The Woodlands were using less power or something?

The two most cited reasons here are

1) Homeland security issues.
2) That the power surge of repowering would use more energy than it saved (btw, I heard this is true in other high usage areas).

FWIW, this stadium is used at least twice as much as Reliant. Jerry is keeping that place busy. Anyway from what I understand, the backup generation is just to keep normally essential items on versus everything.

Just to Note: I stay about 5 to 6 miles from the Stadium and did not get a rolling balckout on yesterday. Obviously, today is still in limbo.

Yeah, Bob McNair needs to work on getting more events hosted in Houston. He does a poor job there also.

The1ApplePie
02-03-2011, 02:03 PM
Or maybe the freezes weren't as bad in Houston? I live in DFW, and the really rich neighborhoods in the areas I live near got their power cut off like everyone else. Maybe the people in The Woodlands were using less power or something?



Yeah, Bob McNair needs to work on getting more events hosted in Houston. He does a poor job there also.

Considering most major artists won't play Toyota Center because of deals with Ticketmaster, you would think Reliant would make a play

gary
02-03-2011, 02:07 PM
When you think about how much money this game is going to bring in for the city during these times you'll know why the lights were not turned off.

GuerillaBlack
02-03-2011, 02:09 PM
When you think about how much money this game is going to bring in for the city during these times you'll know why the lights were not turned off.

It's hardly bringing in anything to Arlington. The City of Arlington foot the bill for the stadium, while Dallas gets all the publicity for having the stadium, even though it isn't even in Dallas. The Arlington Mayor is actually mad about it. He and the city leaders thought the stadium would bring in a lot of investment into Arlington. Instead, nothing has changed, except a few businesses closed when they were building the stadium and reconstructing I-30 near the stadium.

gary
02-03-2011, 02:15 PM
It's hardly bringing in anything to Arlington. The City of Arlington foot the bill for the stadium, while Dallas gets all the publicity for having the stadium, even though it isn't even in Dallas. The Arlington Mayor is actually mad about it. He and the city leaders thought the stadium would bring in a lot of investment into Arlington. Instead, nothing has changed, except a few businesses closed when they were building the stadium and reconstructing I-30 near the stadium.Dallas gets the pub because it is well known which is unlucky.

TimeKiller
02-03-2011, 05:10 PM
Or maybe the freezes weren't as bad in Houston? I live in DFW, and the really rich neighborhoods in the areas I live near got their power cut off like everyone else. Maybe the people in The Woodlands were using less power or something?
I mean it's possible but it's still kinda f'd that the areas with more money had to suffer less. Or not at all.


Side note: Not that 20 degrees is normal or anything but that's not like...a HARD freeze is it? I mean I turned on the faucets to be safe but it's not THAT cold. I think the coldest I've been in is single digits in D.C., never been in below zero (although I've been to places that go that low) and I've only seen snow and handful of times, twice in Texas. People from up north think that is really, really strange.



Yeah, Bob McNair needs to work on getting more events hosted in Houston. He does a poor job there also.

Sound system/seating at TC is a million times better for concert events. Reliant isn't even close. If I'm a big act and I'm not playing at the rodeo, it's gonna be at the TC.

ArlingtonTexan
02-03-2011, 05:21 PM
I mean it's possible but it's still kinda f'd that the areas with more money had to suffer less. Or not at all.


Side note: Not that 20 degrees is normal or anything but that's not like...a HARD freeze is it? I mean I turned on the faucets to be safe but it's not THAT cold. I think the coldest I've been in is single digits in D.C., never been in below zero (although I've been to places that go that low) and I've only seen snow and handful of times, twice in Texas. People from up north think that is really, really strange.




Sound system/seating at TC is a million times better for concert events. Reliant isn't even close. If I'm a big act and I'm not playing at the rodeo, it's gonna be at the TC.

Actually 20 degrees ( it has been as low 13 degrees) in Texas is pipe breaking weather. Normally don't have any days that cold in a given year, much less three to four days barely getting above 20.

Ole Miss Texan
02-03-2011, 05:23 PM
Yeah, Bob McNair needs to work on getting more events hosted in Houston. He does a poor job there also.
I believe the city's convention bureau is largely the group responsible for getting large events into the city, and thus in the stadium. Things like the super bowl, olympics, final 4, ,etc etc. Sure maybe Bob could do more than we think he is.... but it's really the city's convention bidness that needs to step it up.

GuerillaBlack
02-03-2011, 06:10 PM
Sound system/seating at TC is a million times better for concert events. Reliant isn't even close. If I'm a big act and I'm not playing at the rodeo, it's gonna be at the TC.

I believe the city's convention bureau is largely the group responsible for getting large events into the city, and thus in the stadium. Things like the super bowl, olympics, final 4, ,etc etc. Sure maybe Bob could do more than we think he is.... but it's really the city's convention bidness that needs to step it up.

Yeah, but there are more potential events than just concerts. For example, Jerry Jones went out and courted boxing matches and different sporting events to be held at his stadium. Why hasn't Bob McNair went out and courted boxing matches (looks like the Dynamo Stadium will host these thanks to Oscar De La Hoya). Bob McNair needs to be on the phone with schools like Texas or A&M and LSU and try and get an annual matchup started in his stadium, in Houston (like Jones does). Jones is just a better business man than McNair. No doubt.

NitroGSXR
02-03-2011, 06:20 PM
.....or anywhere with money. I live near river oaks....never even a blip on the power. Was in the heart of the woodlands too, they didn't even know WHY there were statewide rolling power breaks. I know this is hard to swallow for some folks but that makes it no less true, people with money are taken care of first. Same for when IKE blew through, my power (and all the rich anuses living around me) was on the next day. Took two weeks to get it back on around Airline (where I work) is.

You have to remember that some of those people have automatic generators. I knew a guy who never even knew that power went out during Ike. He claimed that most of his neighbors's lights stayed on so it never occured to him that the power actually went out. Fyi, he was one of those without power for a week or so.

JB
02-03-2011, 06:39 PM
Yeah, but there are more potential events than just concerts. For example, Jerry Jones went out and courted boxing matches and different sporting events to be held at his stadium. Why hasn't Bob McNair went out and courted boxing matches (looks like the Dynamo Stadium will host these thanks to Oscar De La Hoya). Bob McNair needs to be on the phone with schools like Texas or A&M and LSU and try and get an annual matchup started in his stadium, in Houston (like Jones does). Jones is just a better business man than McNair. No doubt.

Contrary to what you may believe, McNair does not have total control of Reliant.

Texan_Bill
02-03-2011, 07:46 PM
Contrary to what you may believe, McNair does not have total control of Reliant.

Yup!! There's a tiny little entity that actually uses more dates per year and draws way more people that share the venue with uncle Bob. :thinking:

Texans: 10 dates with an average tickets sold 70,000 = 700,000

HLSR: 21 dates with an average (roughly and conservatively) 60,000 = 1,260,000 (and that doesn't include the Carnival, Cook-off or Fat stock show).


....Just sayin'!

JB
02-03-2011, 08:35 PM
Yup!! There's a tiny little entity that actually uses more dates per year and draws way more people that share the venue with uncle Bob. :thinking:

Texans: 10 dates with an average tickets sold 70,000 = 700,000

HLSR: 21 dates with an average (roughly and conservatively) 60,000 = 1,260,000 (and that doesn't include the Carnival, Cook-off or Fat stock show).


....Just sayin'!

And I believe that HCSA still has a word or two

The1ApplePie
02-03-2011, 08:55 PM
I mean it's possible but it's still kinda f'd that the areas with more money had to suffer less. Or not at all.


Side note: Not that 20 degrees is normal or anything but that's not like...a HARD freeze is it? I mean I turned on the faucets to be safe but it's not THAT cold. I think the coldest I've been in is single digits in D.C., never been in below zero (although I've been to places that go that low) and I've only seen snow and handful of times, twice in Texas. People from up north think that is really, really strange.




Sound system/seating at TC is a million times better for concert events. Reliant isn't even close. If I'm a big act and I'm not playing at the rodeo, it's gonna be at the TC.

Except only a select few can actually play TC because its not affiliated with TIcketmaster. Plenty of bands cannot play there contractually

Dan B.
02-04-2011, 01:11 PM
Yeah, but there are more potential events than just concerts. For example, Jerry Jones went out and courted boxing matches and different sporting events to be held at his stadium. Why hasn't Bob McNair went out and courted boxing matches (looks like the Dynamo Stadium will host these thanks to Oscar De La Hoya). Bob McNair needs to be on the phone with schools like Texas or A&M and LSU and try and get an annual matchup started in his stadium, in Houston (like Jones does). Jones is just a better business man than McNair. No doubt.

??

Texas played in Reliant last year, and they are hosting the Final Four this year.

NitroGSXR
02-04-2011, 01:14 PM
??

Texas played in Reliant last year, and they are hosting the Final Four this year.
THE final four?! I thought it was the elite eight? Ifit's the final four then I'm d-o-w-n. March Madness is the greatest tournament ever.

Dan B.
02-04-2011, 01:17 PM
THE final four?! I thought it was the elite eight? Ifit's the final four then I'm d-o-w-n. March Madness is the greatest tournament ever.

iirc we hosted a regional final a few years ago. This year it's the big one.

Maybe the Horns will make it. They could conceivably have a regional in San Antonio and the final in Houston. That's one heck of a home court advantage. That would be a blast for some of us anyway.

NitroGSXR
02-04-2011, 01:24 PM
iirc we hosted a regional final a few years ago. This year it's the big one.

Maybe the Horns will make it. They could conceivably have a regional in San Antonio and the final in Houston. That's one heck of a home court advantage. That would be a blast for some of us anyway.
Dammit! I missed out. I just checked eBay. Definitely priced out of my range. Dammit.

GuerillaBlack
02-04-2011, 01:31 PM
??

Texas played in Reliant last year, and they are hosting the Final Four this year.

??

I know about the Final Four this year (and 2016) and that Texas played Rice (Rice!) last year, but that's not the point.

Look at the Cowboys Stadium schedule and then Reliant Stadium's schedule and you'll see what I mean. And Texas needs to play a better team than Rice. That's why I said LSU. They simply do a better job of attracting more (and higher profile) college football games, more concerts, boxing events, etc., at Cowboys Stadium than Reliant. All I was saying. I mean, it could be just because Cowboys Stadium is still pretty new, but I wish Reliant hosted better college football games.