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CloakNNNdagger
01-20-2011, 09:31 AM
being responsible this year for our inability to make the playoffs............

A table with the number of games lost by starters from each team [From Football Outsiders]

Team SGL

Colts 89
Packers 83
Panthers 75
Seahawks 69
Eagles 68
Browns 66
Dolphins 62
Buccaneers 59
Vikings 55
Patriots 54
Rams 54
Giants 53
Bengals 52
Broncos 50
Lions 49
Steelers 49
Texans 49
Redskins 48
Chargers 47
Ravens 47
Bills 42
Titans 42
Jets 38
Jaguars 37
Cardinals 36
Saints 35
Raiders 28
Cowboys 28
49ers 18
Falcons 15
Bears 11
Chiefs 11

otisbean
01-20-2011, 09:34 AM
An interesting stat would be games missed by key players.

2slik4u
01-20-2011, 09:38 AM
An interesting stat would be games missed by key players.

Completely subjective and purely opinion. All starters are key players.


Just saying......

GP
01-20-2011, 09:54 AM
5 playoff teams were in the Top 10.

It's possible to maneuver through the injuries and get to the playoffs.

Of course, I'm not geeking up this stat sheet like some will undoubtedly do...so I can't wait to see how this conversation travels here.

Oh, and to the ones who say "It doesn't show if key players were the ones who were hurt, or that it was starters who were hurt..." Of course there would be starters injured, they START. They'll be the first ones injured, then depth players will start getting injured. It's a fairly linear process. No third-string QBs, WRs, etc., are going to be the majority of that list.

Thanks, Cloak.

We need to sticky this, for the next time someone says "Injuries derailed our Super Bowl-potential season..." And I'm looking at you, Mr. McNair and Gary Kubiak.

TheCD
01-20-2011, 10:55 AM
Completely subjective and purely opinion. All starters are key players.


Just saying......

Are you saying there's no difference between Troy Palomalu being injured and what's-his-face that starts as safety next to him? Is an injury to Peyton equivalent to the injury to Anthony Gonzales?

thunderkyss
01-20-2011, 11:16 AM
being responsible this year for our inability to make the playoffs............


My opinion, is that injuries are part of the game. 2009, we had injuries as significant as what we had in 2010. In 2009, all those injuries (most of them) were on the offensive side of the ball. 2010, defense.

I think Gary & the offense were able to adjust & deal with those injuries much better in 2009, than Gary & the defense were able to deal with them.

I don't think it's the same, lame "we had too many injuries" argument.

Gary's inability to deal with 2010's injuries is sufficient reason for me to support a HC change.

I do support a HC change. It didn't happen... I'm not going to cry about it.

& the Seahawks making the playoffs at 7-9 kinda skews the whole thing.

thunderkyss
01-20-2011, 11:20 AM
Oh, and to the ones who say "It doesn't show if key players were the ones who were hurt, or that it was starters who were hurt..." Of course there would be starters injured, they START. They'll be the first ones injured, then depth players will start getting injured. It's a fairly linear process. No third-string QBs, WRs, etc., are going to be the majority of that list.

So you see no difference in losing a Peyton Manning or losing a Wally Lundy?

Interesting.


We need to sticky this, for the next time someone says "Injuries derailed our Super Bowl-potential season..." And I'm looking at you, Mr. McNair and Gary Kubiak.

Are you looking at them because they said such a thing? Or do you think it makes you look smart to jump ahead & make shit up?

Ole Miss Texan
01-20-2011, 11:27 AM
I'd rather have lost Eugene Wilson for 10 games than Demeco Ryans. Just sayin'

dc_txtech
01-20-2011, 11:30 AM
Are you saying there's no difference between Troy Palomalu being injured and what's-his-face that starts as safety next to him? Is an injury to Peyton equivalent to the injury to Anthony Gonzales?

Obviously there is a difference. The problem is it involves a lot of speculation and opinion to decide who is and is not a key player. Before the season most on this board would have thought losing Ben Tate would be a very "key" loss. Whereas losing Chris Myers probably wouldn't have seemed like all that big of a deal. Well, we all saw how those guys seasons turned out.

Or a player like Antonio Smith, I think he's a key player on our defense, you might think he's garbage and doesn't deserve a roster spot. It's not always as cut and dry as Peyton vs Gonzales.

Starters lost is probably the best way to do it IMO.

thunderkyss
01-20-2011, 11:30 AM
I'd rather have lost Eugene Wilson for 10 games than Demeco Ryans. Just sayin'

Or Diles, or Amobi, or Akoye, or Jackson.... even Pollard, Mario, & Smith instead of Demeco.

dc_txtech
01-20-2011, 11:32 AM
Or Diles, or Amobi, or Akoye, or Jackson.... even Pollard, Mario, & Smith instead of Demeco.

Anybody not named Matt or Andre...

Yankee_In_TX
01-20-2011, 11:57 AM
Obviously there is a difference. The problem is it involves a lot of speculation and opinion to decide who is and is not a key player. Before the season most on this board would have thought losing Ben Tate would be a very "key" loss. Whereas losing Chris Myers probably wouldn't have seemed like all that big of a deal. Well, we all saw how those guys seasons turned out.

/arugment


I didn't think we had injury problems this year - didn't we lead the league in IR'ed player in 07 or 08? That year, I grumbled to myself about injuries.

Ndevine7
01-20-2011, 12:56 PM
Anybody not named Matt or Andre...

or arian

HOU-TEX
01-20-2011, 01:22 PM
Hmm, I'd like to know who it was that blamed injuries on this season

otisbean
01-20-2011, 03:00 PM
Completely subjective and purely opinion. All starters are key players.


Just saying......

Completely disagree my friend! What would happen to the Colts if they only lost one player for the year to injury BUT that player was Manning. It would impact them tremendously.

If a starter goes down but there is a capable backup ready to step up the loss won't hit as hard, but if you lose a stud and don't have a solid back up you could be in trouble. I wouldn't call every starter a "key" player. Key guys are players you build your team around; Manning, Brady, Brees, AJ, ect. The loss of Ryans hit us harder than the loss of Adibi for example

Back ups can also go down on special teams and when spelling 1st teamers.

GP
01-20-2011, 04:00 PM
So you see no difference in losing a Peyton Manning or losing a Wally Lundy?

Interesting.



Are you looking at them because they said such a thing? Or do you think it makes you look smart to jump ahead & make shit up?

You mean Wali Lundy? Unfamiliar with Wally Lundy.

I want it stickied because it would prove beneficial for future reference, just as it is good to have the always-complicated issue of Practice Squad eligibility stickied.

Every freaking year we sit here, when camp is over and cuts begin, and have a plethora of threads and posts where people ask about Practice Squad regulations. It's hysterical. One year, some of us decided to actually find the rules and post them--An easy solution to the problem. There's lots of topics that should be stickied, or brought back up during key times in the season and stickied.

But guess what? That's no fun. It's more fun to make shit up, as you say, so why keep a chart that shows FIVE playoff teams in 2011 ranked in Top 10 of injuries in reg season? It's more fun to be able to kick around the "we had too many injuries" discussion. All I am saying is that it's time to halt the Excuse Express around here. "We had too many injuries" is no longer a viable talking point when discussing how things went bad for us. Starting QB got hurt and is out remainder of season? That's different. Pretty hard to win if your QB is gone. The talent level and experience factor, in most instances, is too sharp of a curve to recover from in half a season.

Second Honeymoon
01-21-2011, 11:55 AM
Hmm, I'd like to know who it was that blamed injuries on this season

McNair and Kubiak both eluded to injuries being a factor although Kubiak did qualify that and say that every team deals with injuries. That is the point.

AJ's play was affected and of course Mario always has the 'playing hurt' excuse built into Kubiak's DNA, but DeMeco's injury as an excuse is lame. They were bad with DeMeco and they were bad without him. They were bad in 2009 an 2008 and 2007 with him too. What is the point, Bob?

You had a healthy OL, a resurgent Myers at Center (didn't see that coming at all), a very productive back for cheap, another full season by Matt, and you had Driessen come in and help Daniels with his transition back. Lots of things worked in your favor on offense, yet your lack of activity in FA, trade, and draft re: defense was inexcusable and an embarassment.

They are just all about making money and not making waves. Just sleepwalk through another season and watch this franchise continue to be the joke that it is.

If anyone listened to Sean Jones and Alonzo Highsmith today, they said practically the same thing. The team just does a poor job evaluating talent, signing players, and has no real direction from up top. McNair is just incompetent and it all became crystal clear with this comments after the Ravens LOSS at home on MNF. He just doesn't get it. The other owners wanted you to win because they wanted the Ravens spot int he playoffs. They don't care about your team, Bob. Only when it helps them and nothing makes them happier than the Texans continuing to mire itself in mediocrity, incompetent flatlining head coach with a losing record over 5 year span, and piss poor management.

thunderkyss
01-21-2011, 02:57 PM
McNair and Kubiak both eluded to injuries being a factor although Kubiak did qualify that and say that every team deals with injuries. That is the point.




I think Kubiak understands that it is how you deal with the injuries that separates the winners & the losers. Winning teams are better able to manage for a variety of reasons.... coaches being able to compensate for weaker players.... actually having talent beyond just the starters, etc...

But I don't believe Kubiak, or McNair believe injuries can/should be used as a crutch.

Texanmike02
01-23-2011, 01:00 PM
I'd rather have lost Eugene Wilson for 10 games

addition by subtraction.

Mike

otisbean
01-24-2011, 05:35 AM
addition by subtraction.

Mike

me too!