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HoustonFrog
01-19-2011, 12:48 PM
On ESPN Insider both have their most recent mocks

Kiper has

#8 Titans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

#9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

#11 Texans--Aldon Smith, OLB Missouri

McShay

#8 Titans--Jake Locker QB Washington(reach and he admits it)

#9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

#11 Texans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

Funny in both Cam Newton goes to Washington at #10

ReliantTexan
01-19-2011, 01:00 PM
Would love smith at 11, my only question is why does he have the titans taking miller? They need linebacker help in the worst way but I don't think Miller is really cut out for a 4-3.

bah007
01-19-2011, 01:03 PM
On ESPN Insider both have their most recent mocks

Kiper has

#8 Titans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

#9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

#11 Texans--Aldon Smith, OLB Missouri

McShay

#8 Titans--Jake Locker QB Washington(reach and he admits it)

#9 Cowboys--Prince Amukamara, CB Nebraska

#11 Texans--Von Miller OLB Texas A&M

Funny in both Cam Newton goes to Washington at #10

I can't put my finger on these QBs. If I were forced to choose one I would take Gabbert. But I think he very well may be the fourth one taken.

Someone will fall in love with Mallett's arm and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Newton's size and physical nature and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Locker's athleticism and take him too early.

Nothing really stands out about Gabbert. He is a decent athlete, but not like Newton or Locker. He has a strong arm, but not like Newton or Mallett. He is accurate, but played in a spread system with few downfield throws.

He is solid, but not great. I would have no problem taking him around 20 or so. But I just don't see how any of these guys have a top 10 grade.

If I had to bet money I would say that none of these guys will be a pro bowl caliber QB, and only Gabbert has a shot at being a long time starter.

hookinreds
01-19-2011, 01:03 PM
Would love smith at 11, my only question is why does he have the titans taking miller? They need linebacker help in the worst way but I don't think Miller is really cut out for a 4-3.

Because he would fit with the Texans, and that's all Bud needs to know.

hookinreds
01-19-2011, 01:05 PM
Speaking of Bud and his ass chapping ways...how bent would Fisher be if Bud made them pick up Newton at #8!

beerlover
01-19-2011, 01:09 PM
and how much does this service cost?

personally, I would like to see Houston to Houston. no offense to Kiper or McShay :bender:

kiwitexansfan
01-19-2011, 01:10 PM
I kind of like Andy Dalton, TCU out of this years QB.

When I've seen him he seems to have good mobility, accuracy and arm strength.

And he is a proven winner.

kiwitexansfan
01-19-2011, 01:11 PM
If Amukamara gets to 9, I'd be AWFULLY tempted to move up and grab him.

beerlover
01-19-2011, 01:18 PM
I kind of like Andy Dalton, TCU out of this years QB.

When I've seen him he seems to have good mobility, accuracy and arm strength.

And he is a proven winner.

he would be a perfect fit in Dallas, just looks like a Cowboy. Books not closed on Romo but his turnover ratio is disturbing to say least while Dalton is exceptional protecting the ball. could approach Kitna as a rookie but start 3rd on depth chart, if Romo struggles or gets hurt again he could be the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys.

beerlover
01-19-2011, 01:19 PM
If Amukamara gets to 9, I'd be AWFULLY tempted to move up and grab him.

if Texans select another CB in first I'll puke :koolaid:

kiwitexansfan
01-19-2011, 01:20 PM
he would be a perfect fit in Dallas, just looks like a Cowboy. Books not closed on Romo but his turnover ratio is disturbing to say least while Dalton is exceptional protecting the ball. could approach Kitna as a rookie but start 3rd on depth chart, if Romo struggles or gets hurt again he could be the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah, not sure why Romo gets so much love, I see him as being a long way from an elite QB.

What round do you have Dalton pencilled in?

Looking forward to hearing how he goes at Senior Bowl.

HoustonFrog
01-19-2011, 01:21 PM
I can't put my finger on these QBs. If I were forced to choose one I would take Gabbert. But I think he very well may be the fourth one taken.

Someone will fall in love with Mallett's arm and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Newton's size and physical nature and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Locker's athleticism and take him too early.

Nothing really stands out about Gabbert. He is a decent athlete, but not like Newton or Locker. He has a strong arm, but not like Newton or Mallett. He is accurate, but played in a spread system with few downfield throws.

He is solid, but not great. I would have no problem taking him around 20 or so. But I just don't see how any of these guys have a top 10 grade.

If I had to bet money I would say that none of these guys will be a pro bowl caliber QB, and only Gabbert has a shot at being a long time starter.

I'd love to show you guys the rest of the draft but I've been pinged before because I can give the site but since everyone can't access it, it is not allowed. I can only give a synopsis

With that said here are the links in case you do pay for it

Kiper

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft1.0

McShay

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6036153

To answer any questions McShay thinks Von Miller is a SAM backer in the 4-3 and an Inside guy in the 3-4. Kiper thinks he can play Titans 4-3 and adjust to game with his athleticism.

Kiper has Gabbert going to Cards at #5 and McShay has him at #3 to Bills.

Yeah, not sure why Romo gets so much love, I see him as being a long way from an elite QB.

What round do you have Dalton pencilled in?

Looking forward to hearing how he goes at Senior Bowl.

This is from another thread where I posted this but this is really off

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20100707-Gosselin-Cowboys-quarterback-Tony-Romo-938.ece

Romo went to the Pro Bowl as a first-year starter with the Cowboys in 2006. He set a franchise record for touchdown passes in 2008 with 36, then established the franchise mark for passing yards in 2009 with 4,483.

Romo finally has thrown the necessary 1,500 passes to qualify for the NFL career passing list and debuts in 2010 as the third most-efficient quarterback in history – ahead of Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Joe Montana and Drew Brees

TOP 10 PASSERS

The top 10 passers in NFL history entering the season. It's based on their efficiency rating (a formula that includes yards, touchdowns, interceptions and completion percentage). A quarterback needs to throw 1,500 career passes to qualify:
Rank, quarterback, Rating
1. Steve Young 96.8
2. Philip Rivers 95.8
3. Tony Romo 95.6
4. Peyton Manning 95.2
5. Kurt Warner 93.7
6. Tom Brady 93.3
7. Joe Montana 92.3
8. Drew Brees 91.9
9. Ben Roethlisberger 91.7
10. Chad Pennington 90.1

beerlover
01-19-2011, 01:21 PM
Yeah, not sure why Romo gets so much love, I see him as being a long way from an elite QB.

What round do you have Dalton pencilled in?

Looking forward to hearing how he goes at Senior Bowl.

depending on team needs, somwhere in second rd. Dallas should have a clear shot.

Blake
01-19-2011, 01:25 PM
I can't put my finger on these QBs. If I were forced to choose one I would take Gabbert. But I think he very well may be the fourth one taken.

Someone will fall in love with Mallett's arm and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Newton's size and physical nature and take him too early.

Someone will fall in love with Locker's athleticism and take him too early.

Nothing really stands out about Gabbert. He is a decent athlete, but not like Newton or Locker. He has a strong arm, but not like Newton or Mallett. He is accurate, but played in a spread system with few downfield throws.

He is solid, but not great. I would have no problem taking him around 20 or so. But I just don't see how any of these guys have a top 10 grade.

If I had to bet money I would say that none of these guys will be a pro bowl caliber QB, and only Gabbert has a shot at being a long time starter.

top 16 draft teams that could use a QB in the first round:

Carolina (2-14)
Buffalo (4-12)
Arizona (5-11)
San Francisco (6-10)
Tennessee (6-10)
Minnesota (6-10)
Jacksonville (8-8)

So you are right, someone will pick them high.

ReliantTexan
01-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Where do they have Robert Quinn going?

HoustonFrog
01-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Where do they have Robert Quinn going?

Kiper #7 to SF

McShay #6 Cleveland

The Cush
01-19-2011, 01:57 PM
This is the first I've heard of this but McShay is saying Von Miller would be great at SAM in a 4-3 or INSIDE in a 3-4. I've always thought of him as an outside 3-4 LB

IDEXAN
01-19-2011, 01:57 PM
Would love smith at 11, my only question is why does he have the titans taking miller? They need linebacker help in the worst way but I don't think Miller is really cut out for a 4-3.

Correcto re your analysis of the Kiper pick of Smith - and the answer being I suspect is he doesn't realize there's a difference between a 4-3 & 3-4 OLB.
And on Aldon Smith, from I'm reading that guy has both huge downside & huge upside. He's very young (red-shirt soph) and has injury history, but is a tremendous athlete with real potential to be special. I've never seen him play and I'm looking forward to the Indy combine to get a first-time look-see at him and his stats, which should be impressive.

bah007
01-19-2011, 02:03 PM
McShay is and always has been a moron when it comes to player evaluation. The only reason ESPN keeps pushing him is because he was working for Scout Inc. when they purchased it.

He basically just takes popular opinion of each prospect and where they should go, then slaps it down on a piece of paper, and picks up his paycheck. I can name several guys on this website alone who could give far better analysis than he does if they were given the same resources.

Corrosion
01-19-2011, 02:47 PM
McShay is and always has been a moron when it comes to player evaluation. The only reason ESPN keeps pushing him is because he was working for Scout Inc. when they purchased it.

He basically just takes popular opinion of each prospect and where they should go, then slaps it down on a piece of paper, and picks up his paycheck. I can name several guys on this website alone who could give far better analysis than he does if they were given the same resources.

even with the resources they are limited to ..... :lol:

beerlover
01-19-2011, 03:06 PM
I think McShay does College Football all season long. He has watched lots of game film, but lacks NFL exposure of Kipper who has his longtime inside sources. The combination of the two would be much improved. Kinda like myself with rmartin65 & badboy when we do our best work :vincepalm:

Mr teX
01-19-2011, 03:40 PM
Mayock is the best...

VTexan
01-19-2011, 04:28 PM
Man.. AJ Green falling out of the top 5? wish we had that no.6 pick back :(

beerlover
01-19-2011, 09:22 PM
Mayock is the best...

can't view youtube @ work will revist @ home. but the problem with Mike is he gets terrible man crushes & cannot be swayed into common sense sometimes, but I really enjoy his work. Did anyone else notice he did the Seahawk Saints playoff game, how refreshing he was & passionate? He makes an excellent color anaylst if lucky enough to catch him next year check it out.

kiwitexansfan
01-19-2011, 11:13 PM
This is from another thread where I posted this but this is really off

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20100707-Gosselin-Cowboys-quarterback-Tony-Romo-938.ece

Yeah and according to passer rating Cam Newton is the best College passer EVER.

My eyes don't rate him that highly....

Maybe I'm wrong.

Playoffs
01-20-2011, 12:15 PM
Mayock is the best...Yep.

I wish he'd start posting 2011 opinions/mocks?

Doppelganger
01-22-2011, 10:14 AM
Mayock is the best...

He is good, but in my opinion,Rick Gosselin is the best.

PHAROAH
01-23-2011, 02:32 PM
I don't see the Titans drafting a 3-4 OLB in their 4-3 defense plus they need a QB I just don't see them drafting Von Miller makes no since now the Dallas Cowboys is different story as the guy opposite Demarcus Ware hasn't lived up to his first round status.

JB
01-23-2011, 02:46 PM
I don't see the Titans drafting a 3-4 OLB in their 4-3 defense plus they need a QB I just don't see them drafting Von Miller makes no since now the Dallas Cowboys is different story as the guy opposite Demarcus Ware hasn't lived up to his first round status.

They may bring in Mangini as DC. And he may switch to a 3-4

76Texan
01-23-2011, 09:53 PM
Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?

Corrosion
01-25-2011, 11:46 AM
Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?

A position.

Newton will likely have to change positions in the NFL according to some.

Blake
01-25-2011, 11:58 AM
Mayock is the best...

He is good, but in my opinion,Rick Gosselin is the best.

Notice that they both dont post mocks until very late. There is just too much movement right now for anyone to be accurate. Thats why they wait, so they can be much more exact.

Mr teX
01-25-2011, 12:14 PM
Hey guys, I haven't paid enough attention to Cam Newton's play; I just wonder how do you guys see it:

What did VY have (at UT) and what kind of potential did people (those who really liked VY as an NFL prospect) saw in him that Newton doesn't have?

With VY as will be with Newton, it's the dual threat that people will drool over.

There's not anything that VY had that Newton doesn't have. He has everything that VY had & then some imo. Both are big strong kids whose biggest assets were their legs. Newton also appears to be more of a polished passer (notice i didn't say accomplished passer) coming out of college than VY was from a mechanics standpoint & he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. Newton also shined & did what he did in the best conference in america. But you hit the nail on the head with your post....Newton's biggest problem will be that people will look at him & think about VY & his progress as a passer so far. That will cause him to drop unless he shows exceptionally great at his pro day.

VTexan
01-25-2011, 01:22 PM
he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. .


Newton played in far from a pro-style offense...

Mr teX
01-25-2011, 05:28 PM
Newton played in far from a pro-style offense...

It was closer to a pro style than VY's.

bah007
01-26-2011, 12:29 PM
It was closer to a pro style than VY's.

Neither played in a pro style offense. It doesn't really matter who's was less pro style because neither is even close.

76Texan
01-26-2011, 11:43 PM
With VY as will be with Newton, it's the dual threat that people will drool over.

There's not anything that VY had that Newton doesn't have. He has everything that VY had & then some imo. Both are big strong kids whose biggest assets were their legs. Newton also appears to be more of a polished passer (notice i didn't say accomplished passer) coming out of college than VY was from a mechanics standpoint & he also played in a pro-style offense which VY clearly did not. Newton also shined & did what he did in the best conference in america. But you hit the nail on the head with your post....Newton's biggest problem will be that people will look at him & think about VY & his progress as a passer so far. That will cause him to drop unless he shows exceptionally great at his pro day.

Now that I've have a chance to study his game (instead of casually watching), my humble opinion is with you.

From what I see, Newton is a better pro-prospect that VY or Tebow out of college.

Also, out of the 4 games I study, he was under center 13 times.
(Also, there was a little clip of him out of center for Blinn College).
Those situations showed quite a bit to me.
I'd like to learn a little bit more before coming back to this.

Trap_Star
01-26-2011, 11:53 PM
It was closer to a pro style than VY's.

gus malzahn's offense isn't even close to being a pro offense. most, if not all, of his passing plays this past season were basically designed to be 1 read for cam. there were no progressions.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 12:14 AM
gus malzahn's offense isn't even close to being a pro offense. most, if not all, of his passing plays this past season were basically designed to be 1 read for cam. there were no progressions.

I disagree!
You cannot have a one-read spread offense.

Where did you get that it was designed to be 1-read for cam to begin with?

Now we need to remember, these collegiate QBs (the majprity of them), no matter what offense they are in, seldom can make past the second read.

panamamyers
01-27-2011, 08:18 AM
Cam knew exactly where he was going with the ball prior to the play starting at Auburn. The playcalling was extremely orchestrated and precise. He did not have to make any reads at all. Go back and watch when he throws the ball. It's usually off a fake end-around, pump fake here, throw here. Fake hand off, throw here.

He was never required to read a defense.

Both he and Vince were in about as far as you can get from a pro-style offense.

Vince was a much better runner than Cam.
Cam has a better throwing motion, more zip on his passes.

Vince dominated the MNC game.
Cam folded for the most part and let a true freshman lead the way.

That is the main difference. NFL GM's drooled over Vince's ability to lift his play, and the play of his teammates in pressure situations.
Cam fell apart when he was put up against the other top team in the nation, and he looked no where near as dominant.

Th difference between the two starts there.

Also, I always think back to the Run n Shoot days with the Houston Cougars. Fool me once with Andre Ware, fool me again with Klingler....but then the GM's were not going to be fooled again.

They may have been fooled in their eyes into thinking Vince would be a great NFL qb. They see Cam as being Vince part two, so they already know now what that type of guy can or cannot do in the NFL.

Doppelganger
01-27-2011, 08:39 AM
I don't see the Titans drafting a 3-4 OLB in their 4-3 defense plus they need a QB I just don't see them drafting Von Miller makes no since now the Dallas Cowboys is different story as the guy opposite Demarcus Ware hasn't lived up to his first round status.

People said the same thing about Elis Dumervill and he succeeded in the 4-3 and 3-4. Von Miller has a lot of Dumervill similarities.

Trap_Star
01-27-2011, 08:58 AM
Cam knew exactly where he was going with the ball prior to the play starting at Auburn. The playcalling was extremely orchestrated and precise. He did not have to make any reads at all. Go back and watch when he throws the ball. It's usually off a fake end-around, pump fake here, throw here. Fake hand off, throw here.


this. malzahn's passing plays are designed to leave 1 WR open, or create a mismatch. all cam had to do was look and if he didn't like what he saw, he just took off running.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 09:36 AM
Cam knew exactly where he was going with the ball prior to the play starting at Auburn. The playcalling was extremely orchestrated and precise. He did not have to make any reads at all. Go back and watch when he throws the ball. It's usually off a fake end-around, pump fake here, throw here. Fake hand off, throw here.

He was never required to read a defense.

Both he and Vince were in about as far as you can get from a pro-style offense.

Vince was a much better runner than Cam.
Cam has a better throwing motion, more zip on his passes.

Vince dominated the MNC game.
Cam folded for the most part and let a true freshman lead the way.

That is the main difference. NFL GM's drooled over Vince's ability to lift his play, and the play of his teammates in pressure situations.
Cam fell apart when he was put up against the other top team in the nation, and he looked no where near as dominant.

Th difference between the two starts there.

Also, I always think back to the Run n Shoot days with the Houston Cougars. Fool me once with Andre Ware, fool me again with Klingler....but then the GM's were not going to be fooled again.

They may have been fooled in their eyes into thinking Vince would be a great NFL qb. They see Cam as being Vince part two, so they already know now what that type of guy can or cannot do in the NFL.

First of all, there's the pre-snap read.
Certainly, there are plays in any offense that allows the QB to go with a pass if he sees certain defense and check into a run when he sees certain defense.

Go back and look for example, on a receiver screen.
When there are 3 receivers on one side and the DB plays off one of them.
You see Newton went directly to his target because he knew his target would have the blockings to spring the play (most of the time).
And that's supposed to be what it is even in a WCO like the Texans' with Schaub and AJ, for example.

On the other hand, there are plays with 2 receivers on one side.
The X receiver could run some sort of a post or inside route to take away the safety.
The slot receiver could run a wheel route to the outside.
When Newton sees the safety coming down to take away the X receiver, he would go to the slot man.
That's two reads, not one. (And I've seen this in at least 2 games I watched so far).

Go back and watch all of his games, you will see that he can make more than one read as well as any of the top QBs in this draft class.

Go back and watch the title game carefully.
You will see that with better receivers (a dropped pass here and there), the game could have been a blow-out for the Tigers.
And that was with the Ducks defense playing extremely well.

Malzhan's game is anything but the run and shoot.
He employs a FB or HB in some plays, even when the QB is in the shotgun.
Once in a while, they even have 3 backs (not counting Newton) in a modified flexbone.

Heck, I even saw Newton line up as the wide-out in the wildcat formation and caught a TD pass on a go route.

I've seen him roll out one way, looking at two receivers who were both well covered. He turned to the inside and fired a nice pass to the receiver that ran a slant route from the other side.
That's 3 reads right there (with the TE and RB staying back to block).
- I just finish watching this play and the wildcat TD reception in the Ole Miss game as I type this.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 09:51 AM
Here comes one more play from the Ole Miss game.
On first and ten, Newton look right; both receivers on this side were well-covered.
He went back all the way to the left side line to the Z receiver who ran a come back route that would have been good for 11 yds but the receiver dropped the easy pass (between the numbers, just above his head.)
Again, that's 3 reads, not just one or two, and he scanned the entire field.

GP
01-27-2011, 09:59 AM
I happen to be on record here as saying that I think Cam Newton is going to be the type of QB that people thought Vince Young might become in the NFL.

Cam didn't have a great game in the title game. I admit that. I watched it, and he wasn't a world beater at all.

The thing that I think will make Cam end up being what Vince isn't and won't be, is that I think Cam has a normal-functioning brain.

It really just comes down to that, IMO. Brains.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 09:59 AM
He would come back to the same receiver on the next play.
In this one, the receiver lined up as the left slot in the one-back shotgun spread.
The two receivers on the right ran deep routes.

Pre-snap, Newton saw the 2 LBs inching up to the LOS (4-2-5 defense)
They would come in on the blitz.
Seeing this, Newton made the smart decision to go with the left slot who ran a slant pattern to the middle (where the LBs had vacated).
That's a good read right there.

Oh, and it was a good throw where he led the receiver to a 20yd gain on a simple short route.

bah007
01-27-2011, 10:00 AM
I happen to be on record here as saying that I think Cam Newton is going to be the type of QB that people thought Vince Young might become in the NFL.

Cam didn't have a great game in the title game. I admit that. I watched it, and he wasn't a world beater at all.

The thing that I think will make Cam end up being what Vince isn't and won't be, is that I think Cam has a normal-functioning brain.

It really just comes down to that, IMO. Brains.

From what I've seen and heard from Newton, he isn't that far ahead of VY in that regard. Neither of them is impressive at all in that category.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 10:11 AM
Next series, on third and 7, deep in the Tigers territory (their 5), Newton looked left; receiver covered.

He looked right; 2 receivers covered temporarily.
He waited a tad for the inside receiver to make the break to the dead spot between DBs/LBs and safeties.
12-yd completion on a critical third down, and again, that's 3 reads, not one.
And again, he scanned the entire field.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 10:28 AM
Next series, 2-12 (after the RB lost 2 yds on a run).
Single back, 3 receiver trip on the left, one receiver on far right.
Newton looked left, both receivers covered.
He progressed to the middle, LBs dropping back taking away the slant route.
Boom, he went to the right for a 9yd pass.
All that in just over 2 secs.
At least 3 reads there and still get the ball to the receiver on time with a dart!

76Texan
01-27-2011, 11:07 AM
I happen to be on record here as saying that I think Cam Newton is going to be the type of QB that people thought Vince Young might become in the NFL.

Cam didn't have a great game in the title game. I admit that. I watched it, and he wasn't a world beater at all.

The thing that I think will make Cam end up being what Vince isn't and won't be, is that I think Cam has a normal-functioning brain.

It really just comes down to that, IMO. Brains.

In my eyes, Newton did not have a bad game.
Here are some examples:

1st series:

(1st and 10) AUBURN TIGERS drive start at 13:12 from their 38

(1st and 10) O. McCalebb rush for 15 yards to the ORE47, 1ST DOWN AUB (Boyett, John).
(1st and 10) O. McCalebb rush for no gain to the ORE47 (Paysinger, S.).


(2nd and 10) Cam Newton sacked for loss of 8 yards to the AUB45 (Rowe, Kenny), fumble by Cam Newton recovered by AUB Mike Berry at AUB45.

The FB #32 Smith missed the block on the right side. Newton was in his throwing motion and did not see the OLB coming. (The receiver was open on a post corner route. That could have been an easy TD right there.)

#23 McCalebb should have picked up the block as well but did not (he came from the left on a faked end-around.)


(3rd and 18) Cam Newton pass incomplete to Darvin Adams.

Receiver alligator-armed and dropped a pass down the side line.
That would have been at least a 34 yd gain.
Adams had beaten the LCB to the outside; the lone safety was too far to arrive in time for help over the top.

These were the kinds of plays that made Newton "looked bad" and prevented the game from becoming a blow-out.

(4th and 18) Ryan Shoemaker punt 37 yards to the ORE18, Barner, Kenjon return 1 yards to the ORE19 (Craig Stevens).

76Texan
01-27-2011, 11:27 AM
Second series:

(1st and 10) AUBURN TIGERS drive start at 09:19.
(1st and 10) Cam Newton rush for 2 yards to the ORE45 (Matthews, Casey).

The receiver #80 missed the crash block that prevented Newton to go outside.
Matthews came in free with no blocker on him to make the tackle.


(2nd and 8) Cam Newton pass intercepted by Harris, Cliff at the ORE25, Harris, Cliff return 22 yards to the ORE47 (Emory Blake).

Miscommunication with the receiver Zachery.
The LCB dropped back into 3-deep coverage.
The receiver should have read this and sit back in the zone instead of carrying on the post route.
In my eyes, Newton did right by throwing to that "supposedly" empty space, except that the receiver ran by it and did not stop.
If it's man coverage, receiver carries the route.
If it's zone coverage, receiver should sit down.
That could have been a 15-yd completion; instead it was an INT.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 11:58 AM
Third series.

(1st and 10) AUBURN TIGERS drive start at 05:01.
(1st and 10) Cam Newton pass complete to Emory Blake for no gain to the AUB14 (Lewis, Javes).
Two receivers missed their blocks.

(2nd and 10) Cam Newton pass complete to Darvin Adams for 12 yards to the AUB26, 1ST DOWN AUB (Lewis, Javes).
One back shotgun spread; 3-receiver trip right; z-receiver left (Adams would run a slant to the right).
Newton rolled right and saw all 3 receivers covered.
He patiently waited for the crowd to clear out and to draw the LBs up, then flipped a pass back to his left to Adams for a first down.


(1st and 10) O. McCalebb rush for 7 yards to the AUB33, out-of-bounds (Paysinger, S.).


(2nd and 3) Cam Newton rush for loss of 2 yards to the AUB31 (Bair, Brandon;Matthews, Casey).
LBs read the play well and stayed on top of both Newton and his RB.
Receiver was late to come in for the crash block.


(3rd and 5) Cam Newton sacked for loss of 5 yards to the AUB26 (Clark, Zac).
Newton had to wait for the routes to develop; all the receivers were temporarily covered.
He saw a running lane up ahead and tried to take off (the receivers had drawn all the defenders to the outside; there was nothing but green in the middle).
The NT, however, put a good spin move on the RG to get him off-balance and turn back to the inside to derail Newton.


(4th and 10) Ryan Shoemaker punt 49 yards to the ORE25, Barner, Kenjon return 4 yards to the ORE29 (Jamar Travis).

76Texan
01-27-2011, 12:34 PM
FOURTH SERIES.
(1st and 10) AUBURN TIGERS drive start at 14:08.
(1st and 10) Michael Dyer rush for 5 yards to the AUB23 (Jackson, Tal.).
Running play from a "3-back" shotgun set (not including the QB).

(2nd and 5) Cam Newton pass complete to Terrell Zachery for 8 yards to the AUB31, 1ST DOWN AUB, out-of-bounds (Lokombo, Boseko).
Newton saw the lone safety coming down to take on the slot receiver;
he calmy deliver the ball to the wide-out for a first down.

(1st and 10) Michael Dyer rush for 10 yards to the AUB41, 1ST DOWN AUB (Peppars, Chad).
Counter run from a 2-back shotgun spread; FB went left; RB up the middle right.

(1st and 10) Cam Newton pass complete to Terrell Zachery for 13 yards to the ORE46, 1ST DOWN AUB (Lewis, Javes).
The 2-back shotgun set drew the LBs in.
The RCB played man on the X-receiver;
Newton realized the safety was back too deep; he simply dumped a pass to the uncovered slot receiver in the flat for a 13-yd gain.
His pre-snap read has been excellent throughout the year!

(1st and 10) Cam Newton pass complete to Darvin Adams for 9 yards to the ORE37 (Jackson, Tal.).
2 receivers on the right running deep route; FB stayed back to block;
RB ran a check route to the left flat; Y receiver Adams ran a slant from left to the middle.
Newton looked right; both receivers covered.
He looked left where the Guard had pulled out to set up a RB screen; the LBs read it well and pursued to the outside.
Not a problem, Newton went back to the middle to Adams for an easy 9-yd completion.
(Remember the LBs were drawn outside by the "supposedly" screen pass.)
In this play, Newton made ALL 4 of his reads (plus a faked hand-off) and delivered the ball in just over 2 secs.

(2nd and 1) [HUUC], Cam Newton pass complete to O. McCalebb for 2 yards to the ORE35, 1ST DOWN AUB.
Newton drew the LBs in with an unbalanced set (TE, a FB and a RB all on the right side.)
He faked the hand-off, turned around, wanting to go to Adams who ran a slant from the right side in, but he (Newton) slipped and almost fell down.
As he tried to regain his balance, you can tell that he saw the RB checking out to the left flat.
He got up and quick-tossed the ball to McCalebb as the defenders swallowed him up.
That's more than one-read, my friend!

(1st and 10) Cam Newton pass incomplete to Emory Blake (Harris, Cliff).
Exceptional play by the LCB who had followed his receiver (Adams) toward the post; somehow, he was able to turn back and give help on the outside wheel route.
The ball was right there for the receiver, but Harris made a great play to break it off.
Good read by Newton, excellent play by the LCB (keep an eye on this RS Soph.) to get off his man and give help.

(2nd and 10) Cam Newton pass complete to Kodi Burns for 35 yards to the ORE0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 12:00. (1st and 0) Wes Byrum kick attempt good.
Newton saw that the Ducks' corners both had dropped back into 3-deep coverage, taking away the X and Y receivers' deep routes. (Oregon was in a 3 deep, 3 underneath coverage, 5-man blitz).
He (Newton) chose the slot receiver in the right dead spot; dead on; dead ducks!
Burns made the safety missed for the last 15 yards.

76Texan
01-27-2011, 12:42 PM
I really don't understand how people can say that Newton is capable of making only one read or that the plays were designed for him to make just one read!

UNFATHOMABLE!

Mr teX
01-27-2011, 01:01 PM
I happen to be on record here as saying that I think Cam Newton is going to be the type of QB that people thought Vince Young might become in the NFL.

Cam didn't have a great game in the title game. I admit that. I watched it, and he wasn't a world beater at all.

The thing that I think will make Cam end up being what Vince isn't and won't be, is that I think Cam has a normal-functioning brain.

It really just comes down to that, IMO. Brains.

not necessarily brains, i think what it will be is that he'll get a chance to sit & learn & will be more receptive to coaching...

76Texan
01-27-2011, 01:22 PM
FIFTH SERIES
The Tigers marched 69 yds down the field, with Newton making his reads, converting several third downs with either his arm or his legs.

On the short throw on fourth and 1 to the FB who was slipping in the end zone, one can say that Newton took a bit too much off his throw.
My question is that why would the FB wanted to continue toward the side line and the CB?
He was open. He got past the goal line. Just stop, turn around and catch the darn ball.
Instead of going after the ball; he tried to sit down and slipped!
That pass was more than very catchable to me.
No score!