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Blake
01-18-2011, 03:47 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/18/nflpa-collusion.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

The NFL players' union confirms it has filed a collusion claim against the league's owners.
The case has been filed with the same special master who is considering the union's complaint about the league's TV contracts.


I would have to side with the players here. The owners reworking the TV deals to get more money in case of a lockout, also gives them an unfair advantage in negotiations with the players union.

steelbtexan
01-18-2011, 04:18 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/01/18/nflpa-collusion.ap/index.html?eref=sihp



I would have to side with the players here. The owners reworking the TV deals to get more money in case of a lockout, also gives them an unfair advantage in negotiations with the players union.

It's called smart business.

Doty will screw the owners over again. He's the judge that introduced FA to the NFL. He has ruled against the NFL in every case thats come before him.

I would say that he will continue to rule against the NFL. He apparently has a case of the red a** against the owners.

Not that I feel any sympathy for the Uncle BoB's and Jerrahs of the would.

Ruling for the players will help avoid a lockout. Although proving collusion would be next to impossible if this case was in anybodys court but judge David Doty.

TEXANRED
01-18-2011, 11:43 PM
I don't feel sorry for any of them.

Does it not bother some of you that these guys signing bonus' are lottery winning type money?

Maybe if the players didn't make so much I could afford to go to more games.

TheIronDuke
01-19-2011, 06:47 PM
I don't feel sorry for any of them.

Does it not bother some of you that these guys signing bonus' are lottery winning type money?

Maybe if the players didn't make so much I could afford to go to more games.

Yeah but at the same time the owners are making WAY more than the players. Not that I feel sorry for either side but I side with the athletes that put their bodies on the line more than I do the owners who sit in their box and make far more doing so.

infantrycak
01-19-2011, 08:22 PM
Yeah but at the same time the owners are making WAY more than the players. Not that I feel sorry for either side but I side with the athletes that put their bodies on the line more than I do the owners who sit in their box and make far more doing so.

Not sure it is fair to compare the owner against one player. The players for each team make $130 mil per season. Doubt McNair makes that much per year.

JB
01-19-2011, 08:24 PM
Not sure it is fair to compare the owner against one player. The players for each team make $130 mil per season. Doubt McNair makes that much per year.

Yep! And while the players take the physical risk, the financial risk is all on the owner.

infantrycak
01-19-2011, 08:37 PM
Yep! And while the players take the physical risk, the financial risk is all on the owner.

And McNair could be making millions elsewhere. Generally not true for the players.

JB
01-19-2011, 08:40 PM
And McNair could be making millions elsewhere. Generally not true for the players.

Yeah most of them would be in the 100K range per year at best

steelbtexan
01-19-2011, 10:53 PM
And McNair could be making millions elsewhere. Generally not true for the players.

BoB has made an estimated 750 mil profit on his 700 mil investment in 9 yrs.

That doesn't appear to be enough $$$$ for BoB.

I'm generally on the owners side of these negs though.

JB
01-19-2011, 11:31 PM
BoB has made an estimated 750 mil profit on his 700 mil investment in 9 yrs.

That doesn't appear to be enough $$$$ for BoB.

I'm generally on the owners side of these negs though.

My house has increased in value since I bought it in 2003 also. There is no way I could sell it in this market for what it's "worth". There is no way that McNair could sell the franchise for 1.45 billion in this economy. So he has not realized the profit gain at this point.

TheIronDuke
01-20-2011, 12:15 AM
There's not a whole lotta financial risk in owning an NFL team these days with the TV deals. You'd be hard-pressed to find a broke NFL team owner. Bob makes a killing and will continue to do so and doesn't even have to worry about fielding a competitive team, what "risk" has he taken?

wagonhed
01-20-2011, 07:19 PM
Maybe if the players didn't make so much I could afford to go to more games.
Sorry but this type of thinking is delusional - that's just not how it works. The tickets adapt to market prices and they always will. Owners will keep the ticket prices high enough that they can fill the stadiums but not low enough that there is surplus demand. If the cost of running the team, including players salaries, goes down, it just means the owner will pocket more money.

CloakNNNdagger
01-20-2011, 09:25 PM
My house has increased in value since I bought it in 2003 also. There is no way I could sell it in this market for what it's "worth". There is no way that McNair could sell the franchise for 1.45 billion in this economy. So he has not realized the profit gain at this point.

But McNair doesn't have to realize his profit through a sale. The valuation allows him to borrow against it.

steelbtexan
01-20-2011, 09:41 PM
But McNair doesn't have to realize his profit through a sale. The valuation allows him to borrow against it.

This is a fact

Something that most people dont understand.

It's nothing like owning a house/property values vs what a house actually will sell for. It's 2 entirely different things,

edo783
01-20-2011, 09:53 PM
This is a fact

Something that most people dont understand.

It's nothing like owning a house/property values vs what a house actually will sell for. It's 2 entirely different things,

True, but if you sell the equity in this investment, you dilute your portion of ownership and your portion of the earnings, perhaps even to the point of losing actual control. Also, the players get 60% of the leagues money. Near as I recollect that's more than 40%. So, the players are actually getting more than the owners, just more folks dividing the pot so smaller amounts per individual. Some owners like Jerry Jones make a bunch of cash on other items that they don't share with the league. That is also an issue amongst the owners as the total earnings within the league are not equally split.

IDEXAN
01-21-2011, 07:24 AM
And McNair could be making millions elsewhere. Generally not true for the players.
Yes, the players have no employment options that approach the kind of compensation they get while doing something they love to do in the NFL. On the other hande the owners have many varied opportunities worldwide to invest their wealth. Lets hope there's enough intelligent players in the NFL to realize this and not permit their agents and other reps to screw-up the great deal they have going for themselves ?

Thorn
01-21-2011, 08:42 AM
If the NFL season gets screwed up next year there is no right group to side with here. The players, owners, and NFL league management are all guilty.

Double Barrel
01-21-2011, 01:36 PM
Yep! And while the players take the physical risk, the financial risk is all on the owner.

I'd buy into this if they financed their own stadiums instead of conning taxpayers to pay for it.

JB
01-21-2011, 02:02 PM
I'd buy into this if they financed their own stadiums instead of conning taxpayers to pay for it.

I think they still have to tie up large chunks of capital.

GP
01-21-2011, 02:14 PM
I'd buy into this if they financed their own stadiums instead of conning taxpayers to pay for it.

I won't even go that far.

To think that placing an NFL franchise in Houston is, a "financial gamble," is laughable.

Yeah, what a HUGE risk McNair took. HUGE! LOL.

The hard part is getting a franchise OK'd by the NFL, it's Easy Street from there on out. McNair knows this, which is why he's taking the slow approach to everything. It's all about maintaining what you have and limiting risk.

Blake
01-21-2011, 02:59 PM
I'd buy into this if they financed their own stadiums instead of conning taxpayers to pay for it.

Conning or or holding their team ransom? But I agree with you.

If they were selling a TV, I would supply the house and cable. But they are selling a gameday experience that should come with the stadium.

Thats like me selling you a racecar. Then forcing you to buy a racetrack for me so you can ride it.

Double Barrel
01-21-2011, 03:25 PM
I think they still have to tie up large chunks of capital.

I know you've heard the term "spend money to make money". It's not something I do, as I'm a paycheck-to-paycheck existence, but I understand the concept.

Any given business enterprise is going to tie up capital, regardless if it's real estate, stock market, or buying an NFL franchise. But tying up capital is not the same as "financial risk", which is what I was responding to in your post.

I do not believe that an NFL franchise is anywhere near a financial risk as the stock market or real estate or hundreds of other business ventures. Matter-of-fact, I don't see any risk at all. Even the losing teams make money every year. We know this to be true with the Texans.

Houston is "fortunate" that the Texans had partners with the rodeo. At least the stadium complex is guaranteed to be used more than 10 times a year. Other cities, though, really put a strain on their budgets to build sports facilities to keep teams located there, and really, that's not a smart use of public money. Infrastructure, police/fire, schools, these are the things that cities should be spending money on to improve the daily quality of life for citizens.

Sports, like all entertainment, is frivolous in the big scheme of things.

Conning or or holding their team ransom? But I agree with you.

If they were selling a TV, I would supply the house and cable. But they are selling a gameday experience that should come with the stadium.

Thats like me selling you a racecar. Then forcing you to buy a racetrack for me so you can ride it.

Yep, conning vs. extortion, it's all the same to me. Good example about the racecar and track. When viewed through other perspectives, it really makes you think about the sanity of it all.