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CloakNNNdagger
01-14-2011, 11:27 AM
When the questions came up of what real pedigree our Texans coaches have enjoyed or how they may be related, I came across this unbelieveable source tracing NFL coaching trees essentially back to the Stone Age of the NFL.

AN AMAZING JOURNEY THRU NFL COACHING HISTORY (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?254770-The-beginning-of-everything-Complete-NFL-coaching-trees&)

Coach Kevin
01-14-2011, 12:22 PM
When the questions came up of what real pedigree our Texans coaches have enjoyed or how they may be related, I came across this unbelieveable source tracing NFL coaching trees essentially back to the Stone Age of the NFL.

AN AMAZING JOURNEY THRU NFL COACHING HISTORY (http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?254770-The-beginning-of-everything-Complete-NFL-coaching-trees&)

Good Read

Thorn
01-14-2011, 02:15 PM
The Dan Reeves Coaching Tree Gary Kubiak, Mike Nolan, Wade Phillips, Mike Shanahan



Interesting read.

DX-TEX
01-14-2011, 02:17 PM
Interesting read.

:kubepalm::wadepalm:

Mr. White
01-14-2011, 02:47 PM
The guy put some work into that, but some of those are debatable.

The Pencil Neck
01-14-2011, 06:30 PM
"Must spread rep..."

Good read. I don't agree with all of it. But that took a lot of work to set up.

SAMURAITEXAN
01-14-2011, 06:57 PM
Nice find Doc.

ArlingtonTexan
01-15-2011, 10:18 AM
:includeme:

Doppelganger
01-15-2011, 11:31 AM
So what you are saying is that pretty much every coach is descended from the Paul Brown or Sid Gilman coaching tree? Wow.

Is the Al Davis who coached the Raiders in 63-65 the same Al Davis who owns the team?

Doppelganger
01-15-2011, 11:38 AM
Our former head coach Capers was from the Paul Brown tree.

Our current head coach is from the Sid Gillman tree. While coach Kubiak has brought in the following coaches to help him coach various areas: Mike Sherman, Ray Rhodes, and Wade Phillips. What do they all have in common: they are all part of the Sid Gillman tree. However, Phillips comes from Bum who was a direct connection to Sid. Kubiak, Rhodes, and Sherman come from Bill Walsh who has connection to both SId Gillman and Paul Brown.

So, you can say Wade Phillips is probably the most different former head coach we have brought into Houston since he is the first who has no connection whatsoever to Paul Brown.

ArlingtonTexan
01-15-2011, 11:44 AM
So what you are saying is that pretty much every coach is descended from the Paul Brown or Sid Gilman coaching tree? Wow.

Is the Al Davis who coached the Raiders in 63-65 the same Al Davis who owns the team?

Yes. He has done darn near everything one can be one mangerial and administravie side: Head coach, General Manager, AFL Cimmissioner, Owner.

He was truly innovative and maveric. The Radiers were a very good sometimes great on the field franchise for the better part of 4 decades (really until the tuck rule game).

The Pencil Neck
01-15-2011, 12:15 PM
Yes. He has done darn near everything one can be one mangerial and administravie side: Head coach, General Manager, AFL Cimmissioner, Owner.

He was truly innovative and maveric. The Radiers were a very good sometimes great on the field franchise for the better part of 4 decades (really until the tuck rule game).

It really is weird how that one game changed the futures of the Raiders and the Patriots. Although to be fair, the Raiders did have 1 more good year after the tuck rule game. After they were crushed in the SB by Gruden and the Buccs, THEN it was over. Everything fell apart after that.

texanhead08
01-15-2011, 02:19 PM
So what you are saying is that pretty much every coach is descended from the Paul Brown or Sid Gilman coaching tree? Wow.

Is the Al Davis who coached the Raiders in 63-65 the same Al Davis who owns the team?


Yes thats the same Al Davis.

Dutchrudder
01-15-2011, 04:14 PM
I think it's easier to read at the source of the info:
http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2008/02/22/the_nfl_coaching_tree_2008_pt_1.php

Great read, thanks for posting CnD

Hervoyel
01-15-2011, 06:29 PM
Yes that's the same Al Davis.

I almost feel like today the correct answer to that question is "No, the Al Davis who owns the Raiders today has absolutely nothing in common with that other guy".

Kind of sad really.

spurstexanstros
01-17-2011, 07:55 PM
nfl version of the begats....

Texan_Bill
01-19-2011, 01:39 PM
Every coach ever, falls under the Walter Camp coaching tree. :runaway:

Texan_Bill
01-19-2011, 01:42 PM
The Dan Reeves Coaching Tree Gary Kubiak, Mike Nolan, Wade Phillips, Mike Shanahan


Wouldn't Kubiak fall under the R.C. Slocum coaching tree?? :thinking:

Kulluminatii
01-19-2011, 03:52 PM
I almost feel like today the correct answer to that question is "No, the Al Davis who owns the Raiders today has absolutely nothing in common with that other guy".

Kind of sad really.

Its kind of true though, the Al Davis of today is a shell of his former self. Anyone see the Raiders press conference where Al announced Hue Jackson as the new HC? The guy is in terrible shape. Its amazing, Al Davis is 81 and Ralph Wilson is 92 but Ralph looks 20 years younger compared to Al.

Link: http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d81dc62b7/Al-Davis-on-state-of-the-Raiders

Cerberus
01-19-2011, 04:32 PM
I was saying that it would be great if they would have gone back further and shown the football branches that came from Sid Gillman and Al Davis; but if you follow the link they have that as well.

HoustonFrog
01-19-2011, 05:24 PM
Did I miss something?So I knew Ditka and Reeves were out of Landry. But wouldn't Buddy Ryan then be out of Ditka and so on?I didn't see it go farther than Ditka. Ditka also has had many players that are now coaches...saw a thread on this somewhere.

painekiller
01-20-2011, 05:55 PM
The trouble with this tree is the assumption that all the guys are from the offensive tree, which is not exactly true. Bum Phillips was a defensive coach for Sid Gilman, but he threw away Sid's offensive playbook when he took over the Oilers and got that kid from Texas to run the the ball. The knock on Bum was his high school offense. Which BTW my ex brother in law ran when he played for Bum in high school in Beaumont.

It's a neat tree, but the thing should really be divided into offensive trees and defensive trees. Then it would be more accurate.