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GP
01-09-2011, 07:21 PM
Remember when the Packers moved on without Favre? The fan base, by and large (though there were a few on the other side of this argument) felt the Packers screwed the pooch by not buying into Favre's bullshit anymore.

The Packers told Favre to take a flying leap, and he did: Into NY with the Jets were he crashed and burned, and into Minnesota where he had minimal success until ultimately being ousted due to injury and a lack of skills for whatever reasons we'd like to debate here. (Though it's not essential to the argument here).

On the flip side, you have the Texans. Bob McNair actually said, and I am not making this up, that a major coaching change (firing Kubiak) would be "too traumatic" and it just sets the team too far behind when sooooo much has already been accomplished under Kubiak.

Yeah? Well, people were unsure (back when Rodgers was a rookie) and Favre was still there, whether Rodgers would be the "next great thing" or not. They really had no real threats on offense or defense. The Packers parted ways with Favre, the guy who was THE offense there. It was him. He was the guy who made everything go.

Kubiak, it has been said, makes everything "go" here.

A great coach, McCarthy, works with what he has and he makes it work. They brought in Capers, and have made that defense work too.

I don't want to hear that Kubiak is now in McCarthy's spot that McCarthy was in, and the Texans are keeping Kubiak like the Packers kept McCarthy. That's not the premise of what went down in Packtown. McCarthy and Packers management took fiery darts for moving on without Favre. Favre's departure was supposed to be The End of The Packers.

This owner, McNair, has said we can't afford to lose Kubiak. Kubiak is too valuable. If he goes, it sets us back. It's too "traumatic" he says.

SAN FRANCISCO: I wonder how the people in San Francisco will be able to cope with the trauma they are experiencing? I will be keeping my eye on the 9ers. One Harbaugh is consistently in the playoffs, since they too didn't think it was too traumatic to move on without Billick as their head coach. Now another Harbaugh comes in, to the 9ers, just bringing so much misery and trauma to the fans there. Poor things. Someone send the Red Cross to help them out. I hope they can get morphine there, to help with the trauma.

Our owner, though, is so humane. He spares us "the trauma."

Wolf
01-09-2011, 07:29 PM
Are you going to witch hunt the whole offseason?

Especially before we see what FA are coming in, how the draft is going to play out, what new coaches that come in AFTER the playoffs are done? Or if we are going to have a season

I understand you are pissed, but it can't be good for your health.


It is what it is. McNair has done what he thought is right. Let's let this thing play out and see what happens. Texans start to tank aging, then let's bring out the pitchforks again

GP
01-09-2011, 07:48 PM
Are you going to witch hunt the whole offseason?

Especially before we see what FA are coming in, how the draft is going to play out, what new coaches that come in AFTER the playoffs are done? Or if we are going to have a season

I understand you are pissed, but it can't be good for your health.

I consider it an effort to educate others.

Check this out:

This is a quote someone else shared, so I don't have the link, but it sounds like what McNair would say, so I will share it without having to sift through the excrement-laced stories that have been done since last week.

Here's the quote, and I will educate you on the truth of the matter here:

"He (Phillips) saw exactly what our problems were, and he had ideas as to how they could be corrected that weren't necessarily requiring a lot of additional personnel. And I agree with him."

OK, here's the lesson for today:

1. Kubiak told McNair "Sure, I can work with David Carr. That's what I do. I coach them kids up. Just watch. I mean, there's like a 1% chance he doesn't work out, but I will pour everything into him. If he can't make it here, it wont be because I didn't try hard enough and didn't do all I could do for the kid."

Job earned.

2. Wade told McNair exactly what McNair wanted to hear, "Sure, I can work with what we have. I don't see too many holes with our talent here. I mean, there's going to be the slim chance that what we have isn't working, but I will pour everything into those kids. If they can't make it here, it won't be because I didn't try hard enough and didn't do all I could for those kids."

Job earned.

Bob McNair has memory loss, I'm afraid. He can't see correlations. He can't draw conclusions based on cold, hard data, unless it has to do with profit margins. Then he's all over that shit, man. I mean, that's when the rubber meets the road for McNair. And that slump hasn't happened yet.

I'm not on a witch hunt. I just want to make sure that people don't lose sight of what's really going down with this team. We have nine years on McNair. If I had done this (acted this way) back in 2003...I rightfully would have been ran out of here for it. Now? Not so much.

I'm not saying he hasn't spent any money. I'm saying he's withholding. That's a better description than saying he's cheap. He's withholding. Lockout has him scared, which adds to his other phobias and aversions to trauma.

This isn't a witch hunt. It's a reckoning. I just happen to be very passionate about it. Sue me.

Wolf
01-09-2011, 08:07 PM
I understand your passion,we are all passionate but there is nothing you and I can do right now, the lost season is still playing out.

yes, Kubiak said he could fix Carr and he was wrong and hence Carr was gone that season. I imagine most people would have thought Kubiak would turn Carr around ,esp with his resume coming in and working with QB's. Kubiak was wrong and we all know he isn't going to go on the news and come out and say, Carr was a horrible player

so how do we not know Phillips can't fix the defense? offseason hasn't really started and we don't even have all the pieces yet

we already know McNair is going to work as if there is a salary cap in place so, there is nothing new there.


relax a bit.. it is the offseason, plenty of discussion when FA can be signed and draft picks can be debated.

it is just frustrating for me right now that it seems that every thread recently that has been posted in TT turns into a "Mcnair is cheap, Kubiak should be gone, Phillips is too soft" and now it is spilling over in the NFL section..

thunderkyss
01-09-2011, 08:34 PM
The way I remember it, them cheese heads & even the media were saying Favre was holding that Franchise hostage. They had already drafted Rogers what, two years before? They were ready to crash & burn with Rogers the minute they drafted him.

I do understand what you are saying & I don't agree with McNair's argument anymore than yours. But it is obvious that McNair is looking at something other than W/Ls to assess this teams status. His team.

Our team.

GlassHalfFull
01-09-2011, 08:41 PM
GP,

I probably shouldn't be posting tonight, but let it go. You are spending too much negative energy on this. Just move on, for the sake of your blood pressure.

(hug) really not meant in a negative way.

Blake
01-09-2011, 08:43 PM
Are we going to get a doom and gloom story everytime a team advances in the playoffs?

JB
01-09-2011, 08:52 PM
Are we going to get a doom and gloom story everytime a team advances in the playoffs?

Some just like to ***** and moan about stuff, it makes them happy.

GP
01-09-2011, 11:36 PM
GP,

I probably shouldn't be posting tonight, but let it go. You are spending too much negative energy on this. Just move on, for the sake of your blood pressure.

(hug) really not meant in a negative way.

I know. I appreciate it, I really do.

I'm back and forth. Sort of one way one second, and another way the next.

It's hard to watch other teams be where they are and to sit here and hear or owner say we're almost there and to hear some fans also buy into it and "moving on" so to speak.

It's a helluva' long time before the Texans play their first regular season game again. Uggh. I have a really hard time putting on a happy face.

Wade Phillips better be worth all this. He has to essentially shut down opposing offenses in order to steal the win from Kubiak's kung-fu death grip.

GP
01-09-2011, 11:37 PM
The way I remember it, them cheese heads & even the media were saying Favre was holding that Franchise hostage. They had already drafted Rogers what, two years before? They were ready to crash & burn with Rogers the minute they drafted him.

I do understand what you are saying & I don't agree with McNair's argument anymore than yours. But it is obvious that McNair is looking at something other than W/Ls to assess this teams status. His team.

Our team.

I thought the minority of Packers fans were ready to move on.

The Packers were grilled for what they did. It was ugly. Like a messy divorce.

GP
01-09-2011, 11:40 PM
I understand your passion,we are all passionate but there is nothing you and I can do right now, the lost season is still playing out.

yes, Kubiak said he could fix Carr and he was wrong and hence Carr was gone that season. I imagine most people would have thought Kubiak would turn Carr around ,esp with his resume coming in and working with QB's. Kubiak was wrong and we all know he isn't going to go on the news and come out and say, Carr was a horrible player

so how do we not know Phillips can't fix the defense? offseason hasn't really started and we don't even have all the pieces yet

we already know McNair is going to work as if there is a salary cap in place so, there is nothing new there.


relax a bit. it is the offseason, plenty of discussion when FA can be signed and draft picks can be debated.

it is just frustrating for me right now that it seems that every thread recently that has been posted in TT turns into a "Mcnair is cheap, Kubiak should be gone, Phillips is too soft" and now it is spilling over in the NFL section..

I will.

I got a big week this week. Not much time to come and spread my misery around.

The forecast for Texans Talk will be Sunny Skies Monday through Friday, with storms likely on the weekend as more playoff teams roll into our viewing area. Viewers will be advised to seek shelter in the Babe Of The Day thread.

HoustonFrog
01-10-2011, 07:10 AM
Here is another difference. The Packers saw talent in Tramon Williams at CB and the Texans let him go. Another FA bust that came to light this weekend. And people wonder why the defense is so horrible...talent evaluation.

El Tejano
01-10-2011, 07:33 AM
I was thinking the same thing about the Packers and Texans while watching the Packers beat Philly but I was thinking how it would be wise for us to draft a QB to groom. None of this happens if Green Bay didn't wise up to the fact that eventually they were going to need a QB if and when Favre was gone. Instead of saying "why draft a QB when we have a premiere QB now?" They said "get this guy while we can and when Favre is gone he'll be ready."

thunderkyss
01-10-2011, 10:12 AM
I thought the minority of Packers fans were ready to move on.

The Packers were grilled for what they did. It was ugly. Like a messy divorce.

I think the media ate them up for the way they did it. They were just as wishy washy about the whole situation as Favre was. Then Bret's first few months with the Jets, looked as if the Packers made the wrong decision & the media ate that up.

I was thinking the same thing about the Packers and Texans while watching the Packers beat Philly but I was thinking how it would be wise for us to draft a QB to groom. None of this happens if Green Bay didn't wise up to the fact that eventually they were going to need a QB if and when Favre was gone. Instead of saying "why draft a QB when we have a premiere QB now?" They said "get this guy while we can and when Favre is gone he'll be ready."

It's always nice to have someone in the wings, waiting for an opportunity. With Brett's age, & the idea that he was only going to play another year or two, the Packers had time. They could have drafted someone the year they got Rodgers, if they thought someone was there, that was worth the pick. Or they could have waited the next year. They liked Rodgers, didn't have to break the bank to get him. Two years later, they were sitting on a lot of money..... waiting on Brett.

Right now, we're in a situation where we can also take our time... go through FAs & draft flyers. If we find that special something, good for us. Until then, we've got a place holder making $3 million a year who has no idea where he left his helmet.

El Tejano
01-10-2011, 11:41 AM
I think the media ate them up for the way they did it. They were just as wishy washy about the whole situation as Favre was. Then Bret's first few months with the Jets, looked as if the Packers made the wrong decision & the media ate that up.



It's always nice to have someone in the wings, waiting for an opportunity. With Brett's age, & the idea that he was only going to play another year or two, the Packers had time. They could have drafted someone the year they got Rodgers, if they thought someone was there, that was worth the pick. Or they could have waited the next year. They liked Rodgers, didn't have to break the bank to get him. Two years later, they were sitting on a lot of money..... waiting on Brett.

Right now, we're in a situation where we can also take our time... go through FAs & draft flyers. If we find that special something, good for us. Until then, we've got a place holder making $3 million a year who has no idea where he left his helmet.

Exactly. The way I see it too is we've been pretty lucky as far as keeping Schaub healthy but he played hurt alot this year. I'd like to have a better insurance policy than Dan O.

GP
01-11-2011, 01:49 PM
I think the media ate them up for the way they did it. They were just as wishy washy about the whole situation as Favre was. Then Bret's first few months with the Jets, looked as if the Packers made the wrong decision & the media ate that up.

Meh. They were mad at how Favre was treated PURELY because they didn't think he should have been let go. It's connected.

Everyone but about 1% of the sports fan population has an addiction to Favre for some reason. The sports media fuels that fire, because they are largely riding his jock all the time.

I also think there's another aspect that's involved, but I'd start a riot on here if I mentioned it. So, I will just wink and move on....

El Tejano
01-11-2011, 02:30 PM
I also think there's another aspect that's involved, but I'd start a riot on here if I mentioned it. So, I will just wink and move on....

Aw c'mon. It's the offseason. Humor us.

thunderkyss
01-11-2011, 02:55 PM
Aw c'mon. It's the offseason. Humor us.

Let's not. The point is the Packers were two years behind on their rebuild, largely due to Brett Favre.

ThruThick&Thin
01-11-2011, 05:18 PM
Here is another difference. The Packers saw talent in Tramon Williams at CB and the Texans let him go. Another FA bust that came to light this weekend. And people wonder why the defense is so horrible...talent evaluation.

I agree...there are at least 5 players that even while drunk you could recall and be like wow....no wonder the Texans don't have any players on D.

ThruThick&Thin
01-11-2011, 05:22 PM
Meh. They were mad at how Favre was treated PURELY because they didn't think he should have been let go. It's connected.

Everyone but about 1% of the sports fan population has an addiction to Favre for some reason. The sports media fuels that fire, because they are largely riding his jock all the time.

I also think there's another aspect that's involved, but I'd start a riot on here if I mentioned it. So, I will just wink and move on....

Glad to be in that 1% because I knew all along that the Vikes were going to miss the playoffs this year....Favre ain't Jesus.

However, I did NOT forsee that they would also: Sign/Cut Randy Moss, Fire their Head Coach, Get busted for Sexting hot chicks, Lose Sidney Rice to Surgery, AND have their stadium collapse.

(ROFL)

Hervoyel
01-11-2011, 07:08 PM
Are you going to witch hunt the whole offseason?

Especially before we see what FA are coming in, how the draft is going to play out, what new coaches that come in AFTER the playoffs are done? Or if we are going to have a season

I understand you are pissed, but it can't be good for your health.


It is what it is. McNair has done what he thought is right. Let's let this thing play out and see what happens. Texans start to tank aging, then let's bring out the pitchforks again

I don't know about GP, can't speak for him and haven't read past this post of yours (at the time I write this) but as for me.....

Yeah, that sounds about right! I think I can complain a long, long time. I don't know if I can complain as long as the Texans can suck but I'm gonna give it my best shot and I applaud anyone else who's willing to stand there and say "That Emperor dude right there. No clothes.".

GP
01-11-2011, 09:25 PM
I don't know about GP, can't speak for him and haven't read past this post of yours (at the time I write this) but as for me.....

Yeah, that sounds about right! I think I can complain a long, long time. I don't know if I can complain as long as the Texans can suck but I'm gonna give it my best shot and I applaud anyone else who's willing to stand there and say "That Emperor dude right there. No clothes.".

LOL. We shall gather at the river...

I enjoyed watching the Packers-Eagles game. I found myself actively rooting for the Packers. Here they are, a virtual unheralded team, going against the media darling Vick Eagles...without Jesus H. Favre walking across the frozen tundra.

I am rooting for the Packers and the Ravens. I like their style.

Hookem Horns
01-11-2011, 11:27 PM
It is what it is.

I agree with this because that is the bottom line and nothing is going to change it this season.

However this is a message board and if everyone had the attitude of just letting stuff go ... well ...

:cricket:

Wolf
01-12-2011, 08:29 PM
For me the frustration was starting that for about every thread that wAs put up ... It turned back in to a McNair is cheap,Kubiak sucks, smith needs to go, Phillips is soft.
While that may Be true, but it was in texan talk area, then NFL section.multiple threads about the same thing. I was just wanting to say, it is what it is, let's get back into some football discussions and move on. We have plenty to weeks during the season to bash Kubiak because we definitely aren't going to change bob's mind in the offseason

GP
01-12-2011, 09:07 PM
For me the frustration was starting that for about every thread that wAs put up ... It turned back in to a McNair is cheap,Kubiak sucks, smith needs to go, Phillips is soft.
While that may Be true, but it was in texan talk area, then NFL section.multiple threads about the same thing. I was just wanting to say, it is what it is, let's get back into some football discussions and move on. We have plenty to weeks during the season to bash Kubiak because we definitely aren't going to change bob's mind in the offseason

Well, I hope you notice that I have been pretty inactive around here. You've been putting your perspective about this (IMO) in a positive way, rather than the meatheads who cry "foul ball!" when they are doing the same thing in response to stuff.

I might still put in a little jab, but you've convinced me to temper it a little and slow my roll.

For the record, the inability to move on without Kubiak will be this team's downfall IF there is football in 2011. Any improvement in the defense will be nullified by his inability to add creativity to the mix on offense.

Creativity is what Kyle Shanahan brought to the table here. Then again, the run game got better under Dennison. Then again, Arian Foster might be to the run game what AJ & OD are to the passing game: They make coaches look really smart.

All I care about for 2011 is our defense. It'll be the only thing that I care to really watch and analyze. I already know what's going to happen on the other side of the ball: Impressive numbers squashed by stupidity at the worst possible moment(s) in a game.

Wolf
01-12-2011, 09:12 PM
MSR GP .. all is good and I agree

drs23
01-14-2011, 02:09 PM
Well, I hope you notice that I have been pretty inactive around here. You've been putting your perspective about this (IMO) in a positive way, rather than the meatheads who cry "foul ball!" when they are doing the same thing in response to stuff.

I might still put in a little jab, but you've convinced me to temper it a little and slow my roll.

For the record, the inability to move on without Kubiak will be this team's downfall IF there is football in 2011. Any improvement in the defense will be nullified by his inability to add creativity to the mix on offense.

Creativity is what Kyle Shanahan brought to the table here. Then again, the run game got better under Dennison. Then again, Arian Foster might be to the run game what AJ & OD are to the passing game: They make coaches look really smart.

All I care about for 2011 is our defense. It'll be the only thing that I care to really watch and analyze. I already know what's going to happen on the other side of the ball: Impressive numbers squashed by stupidity at the worst possible moment(s) in a game.

I'm going to maintain a positive attitude. When Wade turns the D around I think it takes a load of Kubiak. It's his last trip to the plate. Home run he gets to stay, strike out, well he strikes out. I know I'm in the minority, but I hope he gets the dinger.

Go Texans!