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Mixgosu
01-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

:clap::clap::clap:

Texecutioner
01-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.

EllisUnit
01-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

:clap::clap::clap:

and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.

redwhiteANDblue
01-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Yeah! The coaches are making Jackson fall down! I knew it wasn't him!

Mixgosu
01-05-2011, 11:50 PM
Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.

exactly, i wonder how he feels these days....

Mixgosu
01-05-2011, 11:51 PM
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.

I didn't know we drafted Allen as a rookie, mid season

redwhiteANDblue
01-05-2011, 11:52 PM
I didn't know we drafted Allen as a rookie, mid season

Allen wasn't a rookie. He was cut by the dolphins(I think) and then we picked him up.

EllisUnit
01-05-2011, 11:52 PM
I didn't know we drafted Allen as a rookie, mid season

i said he came in mid season no where in there do i say draft, it was to show his terrible play isnt on the coaches.

Mixgosu
01-05-2011, 11:53 PM
Allen wasn't a rookie. He was cut by the dolphins(I think) and then we picked him up.

i was being sarcastic...in that his play was due to not being a rookie

EllisUnit
01-05-2011, 11:55 PM
i was being sarcastic...in that his play was due to not being a rookie

man he can blow coverage for beign a rookie thats fine, but i have all the games on DVR and trust me he cant hang with any WRs. u cant teach speed.

EllisUnit
01-05-2011, 11:59 PM
Just wanted to say, we love ya man! regardless of the bumpy first season you had.

I blame the defense woes on the coaches; you were given orders and you charged the hill!

:clap::clap::clap:

u can either play man our u cant, u can either play zone our u cant. jason allen had 3 ints this season and everyone of them he had the WR blanketed.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Kareem Jackson was a rookie that had way to high of expectations for him in his first season from the fans and was asked for way to difficult of a responsibility by his coaches. His problems and the defense's problems were strictly on the HC of this team and the GM that has done nothing to improve this defense over the years who trotted a rookie out there and expected him to cover guys well with a terrible pass rush.

Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.

Did someone from within the orginization tell you who made the decision to go with the young secondary ? Or did they tell you who made the decision to let D-Rob walk or who made the decision not to find a veteran presence via FA ? Unless you have an inside line into the inner workings of the orginization , you really cant do anything other than speculate as to who's to blame.

Maybe the decision to keep Kubiak points to those financial decisions being made by Bob McNair rather than someone else ....

Kareem Jackson spent as much time falling down as he did covering recievers .... I guess that's Kibiak and Smith's fault too ?

:chickendance:

J_R
01-06-2011, 12:10 AM
We dont know who put Jackson in that position or rather who wanted to go all young. However, McNair laid the blame on the D coaches(whom were all fired except Kollar, though Kollar isnt secondary). Not that I'm buying what McNair said but..

Texan_Bill
01-06-2011, 12:13 AM
Kareem Jackson, you SUCKED!!!!


That said, I still believe you'll be fine as a corner in this league.

GP
01-06-2011, 12:14 AM
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.

I think Jackson is a nickel defensive back.

He's that underneath "free safety" who is up on the line and plays all the shallow stuff (curls, slants, WR bubble screens, etc.) and helps with run support (he's a good tackler most of the time).

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Wade Phillips now. Does he try to fit a square peg into a round hole? Or does he use the guy to his strengths?

Mr. White
01-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.

Texan_Bill
01-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Kareem Jackson's struggles were hardly his fault.

Please!!!!

Whoa is me?? How about not "falling down"?

And to quote myself, I believe he will be fine in the secondary.... someday.

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 12:18 AM
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.

so why didnt anyone else ???? and i think all cbs back pedal to an extent, i played CB. and its the only way to see what ur WR is doing not to mention its the easiest way to change direction, if u turn and run downfield and the WR cuts inside u are screwed, and wont be able pick him back up quickly.

J_R
01-06-2011, 12:20 AM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/675295/74283_texans_colts_football.jpg

PS: Kareem Jackson just fell down while you were reading this.

Texan_Bill
01-06-2011, 12:22 AM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/675295/74283_texans_colts_football.jpg

PS: Kareem Jackson just fell down while you were reading this.

Jackson fell down on the way to the bathroom... Not that I haven't and I ain't hatin'. Just sayin'!!

VTexan
01-06-2011, 12:24 AM
dragonballzman is making a lot of threads these days

Mr. White
01-06-2011, 12:38 AM
I just checked an old post barrett put up (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/3078/for-texans-cbs-out-with-backpedal-in-with-shuffle). Gibbs guys shuffle instead of backpedal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/3078/for-texans-cbs-out-with-backpedal-in-with-shuffle

New defensive backs coach David Gibbs has altered the style of his group. Watch them shuffle three times instead of employing a backpedal.

“We don’t backpedal here at all,” said Quin, a rookie in line to work as the nickelback. “You shuffle, shuffle, run. We didn’t do that in college, it was three steps backpedal, then break. This technique we’re using now I think is a lot easier, I think it gives you a better opportunity to make plays. You’ve got your hips open, you can run or break.

“Champ Bailey uses it a lot and Coach Gibbs coached Champ in Denver. That’s where the technique came from, and Champ let it be known that it can be played and it’s skyrocketed from there. It’s more natural. It’s pretty simple. If you do everything right it can be the best technique. It’s like a backpedal except you’re already open. You’re really doing the same thing but you’re ready to run. You slow your shuffle down, you can break either way.”

Whatever the case may be, I could see how this technique could cause a CB to fall down, especially if he isn't familiar with the technique.

If someone can prove that Alabama CB's shuffle instead of backpedal, then I'm done making KJ excuses.

gg no re
01-06-2011, 01:12 AM
Champ Bailey is probably the same guy who quickscopes all game and gets a 10 KDR on the regular while everyone else gets negative KDR and break even every ten games.

Texecutioner
01-06-2011, 01:30 AM
Please!!!!

Whoa is me?? How about not "falling down"?

And to quote myself, I believe he will be fine in the secondary.... someday.

You put it on a rookie for how bad he played when this secondary has been atrocious for the last 5 years under Kubiak even when he had veterans? The secondary was trash way before Karreem Jackson ever got here. It's not his fault that he was a young rookie with no experience and was thrown out to the wolves immediately under a secondary that has struggled for years with an awful pass rush. That's stupid coaching and that's poor management for putting their players in bad positions where they weren't going to succeed and when they weren't ready. Maybe had this team actually gone after quality vets every off season like other winning teams do, we wouldn't have expected Kareem to fill a void like that. Sure, he slipped and fell plenty of times and had bad moments, but if you expected this kid not to struggle then then that was foolish considering what he had surrounding him from the start and who he was being coached by.

Carr Bombed
01-06-2011, 01:37 AM
There's no doubt in my mind that Kareem Jackson was poorly coached, but I still don't think he's going to work out at corner.

He looks slow and I'm not talking about "slow to react, because you don't know what you're doing" slow. It looks like he lacks closing speed. I don't like to label someone a bust after their first year, but he looks just like our late round corners.

76Texan
01-06-2011, 03:57 AM
and was 15 steps behind every WR he covered, perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD. Jackson does not have the speed/agility to be a true starter. U can teach fundamentals but its not on the coaches that he gets tourched every play. Look at Jason Allen he came in Mid season and made a big impact regardless of our poor coaching.

This is a good play by the Texans that would be fun to decipher in the off-season. Since it's during week 17, I might just try this after the Super Bowl rather than wait until the end.

You said you have the game tape, go back and watch it again.
If there's a Texan player who might not play it correctly, it would be Cushing, unless the coaches specifically told him to break from his landmark only on the ball. However, since the other players stretched their zone (and Cushing didn't) I tend to think that he did not carry out his assignment well.

Edward should have never thrown that pass.
If he insists on it, then the pass should have been thrown to the outside, very close to the sideline.
His best bet was the underneath receiver who ran a square out route; or perhaps the RB out of the backfield.

When the ball was thrown, Nolan was closer to the destination point than the receiver (about 10-12 yds vs. 14-16 yds). An INT was a sure thing to come.

Once in a while, the coaches put one of our players (Nolan in this case) in position to make a play.
If they would have done it more often earlier, they wouldn't have been fired.

Kaiser Toro
01-06-2011, 08:44 AM
I hope that Phillips sees that this was an awful pick by Smith and does whatever it takes to replace him with a quality CB. Just because he was drafted in the first it does not mean we have to play him any longer. We need football players, and Jackson is a long way from that.

IDEXAN
01-06-2011, 08:54 AM
perfect example was on nolan INT in the last game, if not for nolan that was a wide open TD.
How do you know that the coverage on that play wasn't designed for Nolan
to have cover over top while Kareems responsibility was limited to underneath and across the middle ?

Battle Red Flash
01-06-2011, 08:56 AM
....and Kareem, please work on speed drills this offseason. They exist.
Get yourself to a personal trainer, work on speed and jumping.

thank you.

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 09:34 AM
This is a good play by the Texans that would be fun to decipher in the off-season. Since it's during week 17, I might just try this after the Super Bowl rather than wait until the end.

You said you have the game tape, go back and watch it again.
If there's a Texan player who might not play it correctly, it would be Cushing, unless the coaches specifically told him to break from his landmark only on the ball. However, since the other players stretched their zone (and Cushing didn't) I tend to think that he did not carry out his assignment well.

Edward should have never thrown that pass.
If he insists on it, then the pass should have been thrown to the outside, very close to the sideline.
His best bet was the underneath receiver who ran a square out route; or perhaps the RB out of the backfield.

When the ball was thrown, Nolan was closer to the destination point than the receiver (about 10-12 yds vs. 14-16 yds). An INT was a sure thing to come.

Once in a while, the coaches put one of our players (Nolan in this case) in position to make a play.
If they would have done it more often earlier, they wouldn't have been fired.

it dont matter if the ball should of been throw or not, the fact is that Jackson let his man get 10-15 steps ahead of him, cushing has nothing to do with Jacksons coverage skills. Sounds to me ur trying to tred water with this explanation.

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 09:37 AM
How do you know that the coverage on that play wasn't designed for Nolan
to have cover over top while Kareems responsibility was limited to underneath and across the middle ?

first off if it wasnt man, then jackson wouldnt of been running for his life to catch back up to the WR, He had man coverage, with help over the top. Nolan was in zone coverage. See if it had been wilson out there Jackson would of given up a big TD, cause he was beat.

BigBull17
01-06-2011, 09:41 AM
Did someone from within the orginization tell you who made the decision to go with the young secondary ? Or did they tell you who made the decision to let D-Rob walk or who made the decision not to find a veteran presence via FA ? Unless you have an inside line into the inner workings of the orginization , you really cant do anything other than speculate as to who's to blame.

Maybe the decision to keep Kubiak points to those financial decisions being made by Bob McNair rather than someone else ....

Kareem Jackson spent as much time falling down as he did covering recievers .... I guess that's Kibiak and Smith's fault too ?

:chickendance:

Well, they were the guys who thought him the most NFL ready CB in the draft, so yeah. I think he is a safety. He lacks speed but can make a tackle and has decent ish ball skills.

HOU-TEX
01-06-2011, 09:55 AM
But, but, but....he was the most NFL ready CB coming out of College.

Boy, all the talking heads and coaches were wrong on that one. Unless of course, it was our coaching that ruined him.

Geez, I hope Wade can throw some weight around and grab some good asst coaches. We's gonna need all the help we can get re-training

HuttoKarl
01-06-2011, 09:56 AM
i said he came in mid season no where in there do i say draft, it was to show his terrible play isnt on the coaches.

Allen would have regressed under our coaching like every other FA that comes in to our team.

It's WAY too early to write off Kareem Jackson.

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 09:59 AM
Allen would have regressed under our coaching like every other FA that comes in to our team.

It's WAY too early to write off Kareem Jackson.

i dont think it is,,,,,if he was even descent towards the end that woulda been fine, but he showed NO improvment, he was always chasing the WR, he gave up big play after big play after big play. sticking with him is like if mcnair woulda stuck with frank bush for another season, does it make any sense ???

HTown2ATX
01-06-2011, 10:01 AM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/675295/74283_texans_colts_football.jpg

ps: Kareem jackson just fell down while you were reading this.


lmfao!

Playoffs
01-06-2011, 11:00 AM
We'll find out soon enough if KJ was under-coached.

Personally, I think it's obvious Smith again picked the wrong guy.

76Texan
01-06-2011, 11:03 AM
it dont matter if the ball should of been throw or not, the fact is that Jackson let his man get 10-15 steps ahead of him, cushing has nothing to do with Jacksons coverage skills. Sounds to me ur trying to tred water with this explanation.

It was a 2-deep, 5-underneath zone.
It was not man coverage.
If it were man, you would see Adibi following the TE closely (which he did not - he was a thousand miles away) and you would see Cushing following the RB out of the backfield (he was a million miles away from "HIS" man).

There's nothing to do with skills in this play.
It was all scheme-related!

2slik4u
01-06-2011, 01:55 PM
i dont think it is,,,,,if he was even descent towards the end that woulda been fine, but he showed NO improvment, he was always chasing the WR, he gave up big play after big play after big play. sticking with him is like if mcnair woulda stuck with frank bush for another season, does it make any sense ???

Ellis, you may be new to the board, but I think this may be a good instance to label YOU a bust in the world of TT.

Rey
01-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Didn't Gibbs' system call for backpedaling?

If so, that would explain why the guy fell down so much.

Backpedaling is standard technique for all DB's...

Gibbs used a technique where the DB's shuffled...

I didn't really notice it and I don't really thinks its all that big of a deal either way...

I think Kareem kept falling down because WR's were abusing him...The technique can't be blamed if he's the only one falling...

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Ellis, you may be new to the board, but I think this may be a good instance to label YOU a bust in the world of TT.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9VlDs5YgN5sWUM:http://i569.photobucket.com/albums/ss137/SawyerLover_2009/1224080305319fpicnik.jpg&t=1



:bubbles:

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Ellis, you may be new to the board, but I think this may be a good instance to label YOU a bust in the world of TT.

i was a member of HT.com in 2002 - till they changed the board and reset everything then i was a member up until a few months ago, i have been around a long time, i dont care if u think i'm a bust. if u think Kareem Jackson is the next best thing than i'd put in a resume into the Texans front office, cause like rick smith :smiliepalm: great minds think alike. They ran our 2010 season into the ground by going with him, so why not mess up 2011 as well.

2slik4u
01-06-2011, 04:33 PM
i was a member of HT.com in 2002 - till they changed the board and reset everything then i was a member up until a few months ago, i have been around a long time, i dont care if u think i'm a bust. if u think Kareem Jackson is the next best thing than i'd put in a resume into the Texans front office, cause like rick smith :smiliepalm: great minds think alike. They ran our 2010 season into the ground by going with him, so why not mess up 2011 as well.

Once again (in my best kindergarten teacher voice, slow and clear), I never said he was the best. Hell, I didnt even say he was great. In fact, Ill go even further and tell you I didnt even say he was good.

What I said was, there are too many factors on our defensive staff/scheme that prohibit getting the most out of our players. KJ had a pretty rough year, I agree with that. But as stated in EVERY other one of my posts directed to you, one bad year as a rookie that is coached by the worst staff since "The Little Giants" and thrown out there to go man on the leagues best WR's AND not being able to gain ANY help from LB's blitzes, D-lineman's hurries, or safties help over top, you cannot judge accurately that he is a bust.

Give him the proper tools and if he blows it, then I will agree with you. I think with Wade in here, a good DB coach, and a decent (not even great) veteran mentor, he can be really good.

We will have to wait and see on this. Don't be so close minded with this.

Case in point - Nnamdi Asumogha. 0 PD - 0 int's in rookie year. 0 picks in first three. If KJ put up those stats, you would have crucified him.

Give the kid some time....

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 05:13 PM
Once again (in my best kindergarten teacher voice, slow and clear), I never said he was the best. Hell, I didnt even say he was great. In fact, Ill go even further and tell you I didnt even say he was good.

What I said was, there are too many factors on our defensive staff/scheme that prohibit getting the most out of our players. KJ had a pretty rough year, I agree with that. But as stated in EVERY other one of my posts directed to you, one bad year as a rookie that is coached by the worst staff since "The Little Giants" and thrown out there to go man on the leagues best WR's AND not being able to gain ANY help from LB's blitzes, D-lineman's hurries, or safties help over top, you cannot judge accurately that he is a bust.

Give him the proper tools and if he blows it, then I will agree with you. I think with Wade in here, a good DB coach, and a decent (not even great) veteran mentor, he can be really good.

We will have to wait and see on this. Don't be so close minded with this.

Case in point - Nnamdi Asumogha. 0 PD - 0 int's in rookie year. 0 picks in first three. If KJ put up those stats, you would have crucified him.

Give the kid some time....

all i'm saying is have a back-up plan, a FA or someone. we dont want to be stuck in the same position we were this season with a bad secondary and noone to step in to take over.

michaelm
01-06-2011, 05:18 PM
all i'm saying is have a back-up plan, a FA or someone. we dont want to be stuck in the same position we were this season with a bad secondary and noone to step in to take over.


Whaddup with all the advertising, EllisUnit?
Did you accidently sign up here instead of the NASCAR forums????

:tease:

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 06:54 PM
Whaddup with all the advertising, EllisUnit?
Did you accidently sign up here instead of the NASCAR forums????

:tease:

:goodpost: but no its the company i work for, Chesapeake energy, but since everyone was making a big deal about it i removed it.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 09:10 PM
:goodpost: but no its the company i work for, Chesapeake energy, but since everyone was making a big deal about it i removed it.

There was a thread (that I cant seem to find) that outlines the rules for sig's .... Anyone know where it went ?

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 09:12 PM
There was a thread (that I cant seem to find) that outlines the rules for sig's .... Anyone know where it went ?

what signature ???? i dont see one.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 09:15 PM
what signature ???? i dont see one.

Now ya wanna be a smartass when I was tryin to help ya out ..... :smiliepalm:

EllisUnit
01-06-2011, 09:22 PM
Now ya wanna be a smartass when I was tryin to help ya out ..... :smiliepalm:

haha j/k man. i took it off so no biggy, it was a Chesapeake logo, and people were complaining.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 09:26 PM
haha j/k man. i took it off so no biggy, it was a Chesapeake logo, and people were complaining.

I know what it was , I made a comment on it early in the thread you started. Go hit the quote button on this link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1630008&postcount=38) to see the part thats hidden.

RollTide23
01-07-2011, 02:41 PM
And other 'Bama players? I know you guys have a lot of them (KJ, Ryans, Caldwell, Anderson)


From a scale 1 to 10, rank the players overall. 1 = worst, 10 = best.


EDIT: Sorry I didn't see that Jackson thread. My bad guys. My first post and I mess it up. :lol:

Allstar
01-07-2011, 02:45 PM
He looked pretty bad. Always slipping and falling, always behind the receiver. He gave up at least 1 big play per game.

Ole Miss Texan
01-07-2011, 02:46 PM
Just out of curiosity. I didn't get to watch many Texan's games. (However, I pull for you guys all the time because of Antoine Caldwell, DeMeco Ryans, Mark Anderson and Kareem Jackson.)

I know that the Texan's secondary was horrible and very young. What is your overall opinions on him. Scale 1 - 10 what would you rank him ? 1 = worst, 10 = best.
Was supposedly the most "NFL ready" per our Front Office. I don't think he was as bad as many make him out to be, but he did have a rough year. Was up and down. Would have a great read, jump the route and bat the ball down - then the next play he would get beat deep. I think a lot of what hurt us was the lack of coverage we had over the top of our CBs.

I think our expectations were high. I think he's a good solid CB and will improve. I don't see him ever being a Darrelle Revis type, but I do think we'll see continued improvement and he'll be a good solid CB for us. A cog in our defense that makes it great but not the superstar.

The1ApplePie
01-07-2011, 02:47 PM
I'd much rather a guy look like a bust in his first year and have him develope into something special than have a guy look like a beast early and bust out (again, Amobi)

RollTide23
01-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Personally, I thought it was a stretch to take him that high. However, I do think he was one of the best CBs in the draft. He was a lock down CB @ 'Bama for the most part.


What do you guys think of Caldwell, Mark Anderson and DeMeco Ryans ?


I figure you guys absolutely love DeMeco.

TexansFanatic
01-07-2011, 02:50 PM
I'd much rather a guy look like a bust in his first year and have him develope into something special than have a guy look like a beast early and bust out (again, Amobi)

Cushing?

Nawzer
01-07-2011, 02:52 PM
He was terrible through the first half of the season. Towards the end he didn't get burned as much but he wasn't good either. Luckily he had Glover Quinn and his inadequacies to make people ignore him for a bit. But he better have a great sophomore season otherwise he's going bye bye.

Corrosion
01-07-2011, 02:53 PM
http://www.mylespaul.com/gallery/data/500/not_this_shit_again.jpg


merge ? lock ? ban ?

eriadoc
01-07-2011, 02:53 PM
I couldn't find an adequate picture that wasn't steaming and offensie, so I'll just say it was terrible. As far as expectations, that is the determining factor in whether your year was good or bad. If a UDFA had come in and played like KJ the first few games, he would have been benched and never seen the field again. Or, if you prefer, a 3rd rounder from 2007 that couldn't get on the field no matter how bad our CBs were, when he was clearly healthy enough to fly downfield on special teams. When you're taken in the first round and touted as being the "most NFL ready" of all the CBs in the draft, you damn well better hold your own. CBs get beat, sure. There's a learning curve at the position that's kind of steep (which is why "NFL ready" would be good). But KJ's poor play far exceeded any of those excuses. If Smithiak had done what any smart regime had done and left themselves an out of any kind, KJ would have had drastically reduced playing time very early on, or he wouldn't have been named the starter.

I don't think KJ will be this awful forever, but I do think the position he was put in this year may hurt him long term. It's a lost year, essentially. I don't know what he learned OTJ, but his playing time went down as the year went by, and I have no faith that the DB coach taught him much of anything that will prove to be useful as his career progresses. I also just don't think he was worth being picked where he was picked nor worth being saddled with the expectations he was saddled with.

Mr teX
01-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Obviously KJ = 4 as the worst of the bunch & Demeco pre injury = 1 as the best.

I personally would put Caldwell @ 3...Considering where he was drafted i believe he's underachieving b/c he can't even beat out Mike Briesel...who wasn't even drafted if i recall. so......

& Anderson, i'm guessing you're talking about mark anderson (didn't know he went to alabama), He can be 2 just based on the fact that he's done some positive things & i didn't see much negative...at least not with for the little time he's been here.

RollTide23
01-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Like I said, Sorry about making an redundant thread. I tried to change the topic but the the topic title didn't change.


I didn't know if Kareem played bad due to not having help or etc. So I was asking you guys in general.


I know DeMeco had a season ending injury. Which is really a bummer. Overall do you guys think he is your best defensive player? What about MA and Antoine Caldwell.

Is Caldwell a great OL, IYO ?

RollTide23
01-07-2011, 03:00 PM
Obviously KJ = 4 as the worst of the bunch & Demeco pre injury = 1 as the best.

I personally would put Caldwell @ 3...Considering where he was drafted i believe he's underachieving b/c he can't even beat out Mike Briesel...who wasn't even drafted if i recall. so......

& Anderson, i'm guessing you're talking about mark anderson (didn't know he went to alabama), He can be 2 just based on the fact that he's done some positive things & i didn't see much negative...at least not with for the little time he's been here.


Thanks, Mr teX.

Porky
01-07-2011, 03:06 PM
Based on this year?

Kareem J = 1. I would give a zero, but that is not fair to the number zero.

Ryans = 5 (avg) before his injury. He was having by far his worst yr

Anderson = 7 - Provided the best pass rush in the second half of the season

Caldwell = 6 - Line play is tough to judge for a fan, but the times I was focused on him, he did pretty well, but that is tempered with him being benched and switched with Briesel, and I think the coaches mentioned "consistency"

Conclusion - KJ sucks balls. You can have him back. I'll buy the plane ticket. The rest can play.

eriadoc
01-07-2011, 03:06 PM
Like I said, Sorry about making an redundant thread. I tried to change the topic but the the topic title didn't change.


I didn't know if Kareem played bad due to not having help or etc. So I was asking you guys in general.


I know DeMeco had a season ending injury. Which is really a bummer. Overall do you guys think he is your best defensive player? What about MA and Antoine Caldwell.

Is Caldwell a great OL, IYO ?

Mark Anderson has been a great addition as they've kept him focused on what he does best, which is rush the passer. I don't think he'll ever be an every-down DE, but that's OK.

Caldwell is kind of hard to tell. He hasn't been able to really beat out Brisiel. I don't know how much of that is Kubiak favoring guys (which he clearly does), how much of it is Brisiel exceeding expectations, and how much of it is Caldwell not performing as well as I'd hoped. I also think Caldwell would make a better prototypical center than a zone blocking guard, so there might be a bit of that as well. In the end, though, Caldwell is an integral part of an OL that produced the NFL rushing leader this year and protected Schaub pretty handily at times when you'd think the other team could pin their ears back and go after the QB.

I'm a fan of Caldwell, but I want to see him lock down that job for the next decade.

Mr teX
01-07-2011, 03:07 PM
Like I said, Sorry about making an redundant thread. I tried to change the topic but the the topic title didn't change.


I didn't know if Kareem played bad due to not having help or etc. So I was asking you guys in general.


I know DeMeco had a season ending injury. Which is really a bummer. Overall do you guys think he is your best defensive player? What about MA and Antoine Caldwell.

Is Caldwell a great OL, IYO ?

IMO, Meco's in a tie with Mario as being our best. However, he's definitely our most consistent defensive guy. We can always count on him to make the plays that present themselves to him.

drs23
01-07-2011, 06:28 PM
Hang in there man, I think you're onto something. I don't think 'The NFL' aquired that many little red dots as quickly as you have. WINNER@!

DocBar
01-07-2011, 07:29 PM
FWIW, I saw all of our db's slipping and sliding all season. Jackson moreso than others. Did anyone else notice this or am I drinking kool aid?
The secondary play was so awful I can't even begin to assess why. Every conceivable coverage from every conceivable look was busted regularly. It's like oppossing teams went all Belichick and were stealing our signals. I didn't make a game this season, but did our defensive calls get intercepted and put over the loudspeakers? Did that wikileaks guy get a hold of them?
The secondary play I saw has to be a combination of bad play calling, bad coaching and bad play. There's just no way that any one of those, alone, could make that secondary suck as bad as it did.

DBCooper
01-07-2011, 09:18 PM
Burn baby burn, disco inferno.........

steelbtexan
01-07-2011, 10:52 PM
He was put in a bad position by management.

He stunk up the joint. Looked like a lost rookie.

Playoffs
01-07-2011, 11:11 PM
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dream_team
01-07-2011, 11:41 PM
Like I said, Sorry about making an redundant thread. I tried to change the topic but the the topic title didn't change.


I didn't know if Kareem played bad due to not having help or etc. So I was asking you guys in general.


I know DeMeco had a season ending injury. Which is really a bummer. Overall do you guys think he is your best defensive player? What about MA and Antoine Caldwell.

Is Caldwell a great OL, IYO ?

KJ got burnt alot. It seems he doesn't have the speed to keep up with NFL receivers. Also, in bump & run, he had trouble jamming bigger receivers. Couple times, he fell trying to jam, thus leading to a big play. Hopefully he was just coached wrong and the new regime will straight things out.

DeMeco is great, we surely missed him when he got hurt. I didn't realize how much of a leader he was and how good of a "defensive QB" he is until he got hurt. Like someone else was saying, it did seem like he was having his worst season, but I'm not panicking. Can't wait to get him back on the field.

Mark Andersen was a nice gift. He shows great pass rush skills, but not much help on run support. It will be interesting how he'll fit in the team next season. They may give him a shot at OLB. He could start if Barwin doesn't come back in full health.

Caldwell was drafted to start either at Center or Guard, but has yet to fully take over the starting spot. Not sure if it's because of his play, or because Meyers & Briesel are playing well? As good as the run game was last year, I don't seem him starting again next season barring any injury.

Kaiser Toro
01-08-2011, 08:33 AM
Slow, lost and on your back may be good enough in college, but the submissive act does not play well in the NFL. Or in other words, he is the least ready player, outside of David Carr, I have seen in a Texans starting line up.

I just do not see how he will be able to bridge the gap with his skill set.

stingray
01-08-2011, 08:38 AM
http://www.rubinville.com/dailydave/uploaded_images/burnt_toast-724090.jpg

sakebomb
01-08-2011, 09:04 AM
http://www.rubinville.com/dailydave/uploaded_images/burnt_toast-724090.jpg

I thought this was a Kareem Jackson thread. Why did you post a picture of Phillip Buchanon?

JB
01-08-2011, 09:27 AM
I thought this was a Kareem Jackson thread. Why did you post a picture of Phillip Buchanon?

KJ is on the other side... He fell down!

rmartin65
01-08-2011, 09:40 AM
KJ is on the other side... He fell down!

Muhuhahahaha, excellent.