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Rey
01-05-2011, 10:18 PM
Free Agency: Go hard after Champ Bailey.

Let him play FS. He has said that is his eventual goal so that he can prolong his career. Let him get started right now. I don't think there will be a huge learning curve for him. He know coverages. He has the ability to do it physically.

I'd go out and Get Richard Marshall at cornerback. He adds speed, is decent in pass coverage and is good in run support. He's not an old guy and he may not be all that high on Carolina's priority list so I've read. Instantly upgrades or Corners.

Baltimore has 3 corners about to hit the market. Fabian Washington, Josh Wilson, and Chris Carr. They will probably not re-sign all of them. Grab one of them.

I'd also like to see us go after Franklin from San Fran, Alan Branch from Arz, and Pat Williams as a veteran presence and a rotation player along the D-line...

I know it's not a popular opinion but I'd go after VY as a back-up QB. Can't see too many teams offering him the starting job so he would probably be more willing to come here. I think he'd be a good back-up for us and definitely better than Dan-O.

If we could get get any two of the D-linemen I mentioned Richard Marshall and Champ Bailey I'd be very happy.

I know I'm asking the Texans to break bread in Free Agency, but I think they should do it and make a real effort to get better over there.



Trade: Joel Dreesen, Amobi and a 5th for a 3rd round pick. Owen has looked good lately. Dressen has gotten his name out there and I think a few teams would like to have him as a potential starter...I think even if Owen gets hurt again, we would still have Casey and Hill behind him. This would also allow Casey to get more playing time.

Draft:

1: Julio Jones, WR Bama. Big fast wide out. Can come in and instantly get playing time. Sorry, DA, I really like you but you are probably the odd man out. I think he can be an impact player for us and I think he is better than some of the defensive players that would be on the board.

Offense is now extremely potent.

2: Trade 2nd and a 4th to move up to the bottom of the first or the top of the 2nd. Pick up Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M.

3:Kendrick Ellis, DT Hampton. Massive Human being at 6' 5" 340lbs...Has good skills to go with. Put up ridiculous numbers at Hampton after transferring from I believe South Carolina.

3: Kelvin Sheppard MLB, LSU. Big LB that is strong and can run. I think he will provide flexibility for us and should easily become a starter at some point.

5: Marcus Hyde, SS, Michigan State. Would like to see some competition for Barber.

6: Terrance Sweeny, CB, Kansas State. Can come in and compete at corner and kick returner. good speed.

7: Brandyn Thompson, CB, Boise State. Another guy that can come in and push some people and try to return kicks. Good speed.


Offensive line-up:

QB: Schaub, Young
RB: Foster, Tate, Ward, Slaton, Free agent
FB: Leach
WR: Johnson, Walter, Julio, Jacoby, Dickerson
TE: Daniels, Casey, Grahm, Hill
O-line: remains mostly the same

Defensive Lineup:

DE: Smith, Earl Mitchell
DT: Franklin, Kendrick Ellis, Pat Williams
DE: Mario, Shaun Cody, Damione Lewis

OLB: Cushing, Barwin, Mark Anderson
MLB: Demeco, Sharpton, Sheppard, Bentley, Adibi
OLB: Von Miller, Diles, Tim Jamison

CB: Richard Marshall, Quinn, Jackson, Baltimore FA corner
SS: Pollard, Nolan
FS: Champ Bailey, Eugene Wilson



I'm not a big draft guy, I don't know what will happen with the collective bargaining regarding free agency....But I do know I'd be super pumped if this was a large part of the Texans team next year.

TexanAggie89
01-05-2011, 10:25 PM
I like everything you said here. A few things though

1. Von Miller will be a 1st round pick, so with our 11th pick we NEED to pick him up. We play the 3-4 at TAMU, and he is just a beast of the edge.

2. Switch the WR pick to 2nd round, and instead of Julio Jones, get Justin Blackmon. He's huge and has sure hands, plus Jones is injury prone at Bama already.

GuerillaBlack
01-05-2011, 10:27 PM
Young as the backup QB? Never thought of that.

Rey
01-05-2011, 10:31 PM
I like everything you said here. A few things though

1. Von Miller will be a 1st round pick, so with our 11th pick we NEED to pick him up. We play the 3-4 at TAMU, and he is just a beast of the edge.

2. Switch the WR pick to 2nd round, and instead of Julio Jones, get Justin Blackmon. He's huge and has sure hands, plus Jones is injury prone at Bama already.

I'd be cool with that too....


Like I said, Not a big draft guy...Dont' know exactly where these players are slotted to go and I'm not familar with a lot of the prospects...Just the ones I've seen a bit of....

Your suggestions sound good...

TexanAggie89
01-05-2011, 10:35 PM
LOL, thank you. I didnt want Von if we kept a 4-3, but he is IDEAL for a 3-4, and i would love if he was as productive as Clay Matthews is in a 3-4.

Go look up Justin Blackmon from OSU on you tube. Sure hands, speed, and he is HUGE. Think of him as just a bigger Dez Bryant.

wagonhed
01-05-2011, 10:41 PM
I'd rather put Cushing in the middle with Ryans and get an OLB in the draft to go opposite of Barwin.

Also don't you think we should draft some depth for FS? If Nolan moves to SS and Pollard is gone like some think he will be, we have no safety depth whatsoever, and two old farts at FS with noone to develop.

cland
01-05-2011, 10:45 PM
Mine would go like this:

FA signings:

Aubrayo Franklin - NT 49ers
Carlos Rogers CB Redskins AND/OR Antonio Cromartie - CB Jets
DL/LB/S depth

Draft:

Trade 1st and 2nd rounders (2nd round 2012 if horribly necessary) to get a high enough pick for...

1st - Patrick Peterson - CB/S LSU - (FS)
3rd - Mark Barron - SS Alabama - (SS)
4th - Shareece Wright - CB USC -(CB)
5th-7th - BAP (with preference to a KR/PR)

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 10:46 PM
I'd rather bring Leinart back or keep Orlovsky than have that cancer VY here. I'd also rather keep Jason Allen than bring in Jefferson. Other than that, I like your suggestions. I wasn't aware that B-more had all three of those corners up as FA's. We should DEFINITELY target the best of those that are interested.

As far as the draft, let's see what happens in FA first.

steelbtexan
01-05-2011, 10:48 PM
Rey, check out some other mocks in the draft thread.

We do alot of back and forth and disagreement is not only suggested. It's encouraged.

You should check it out.

Rey
01-05-2011, 10:52 PM
I'd rather put Cushing in the middle with Ryans and get an OLB in the draft to go opposite of Barwin.

Barwin is coming off of a serious injury. I started to put Cushing inside, but I think we'd be better served getting Sharpton on the field instead of Barwin.

I know its sexy to think about Barwin out there on the edge...I think he'd be good in a back-up role for us and on special teams.

Cushing is good out on the edge...I'd really prefer to keep him there...Plus he has really good size.


I also think it really comes down to what is better for us....Sharpton being on the field inside, or Barwin being on the edge outside...

That is, assuming we even get a rookie OLB to start for us...If we don't do that, they all of them can play....

wagonhed
01-05-2011, 10:54 PM
Barwin is coming off of a serious injury. I started to put Cushing inside, but I think we'd be better served getting Sharpton on the field instead of Barwin.

I know its sexy to think about Barwin out there on the edge...I think he'd be good in a back-up role for us and on special teams.

Cushing is good out on the edge...I'd really prefer to keep him there...Plus he has really good size.


I also think it really comes down to what is better for us....Sharpton being on the field inside, or Barwin being on the edge outside...

That is, assuming we even get a rookie OLB to start for us...If we don't do that, they all of them can play....
Just want to point out that the scout website I like to look at had Barwin listed as the 4th best OLB prospect in 09, after Curry Cushing and Matthews. Just saying, he was projected by many to be a rush backer. Of course everything hinges on his recovery. But I'd hate to just throw away a dude we got in the 2nd round.

Rey
01-05-2011, 10:57 PM
I'd rather bring Leinart back or keep Orlovsky than have that cancer VY here. I'd also rather keep Jason Allen than bring in Jefferson. Other than that, I like your suggestions. I wasn't aware that B-more had all three of those corners up as FA's. We should DEFINITELY target the best of those that are interested.

As far as the draft, let's see what happens in FA first.

I think Leinart is gone...I think someone will give him a shot to atleast compete for the starting spot...

I think VY would be much better than Dan-O as a back-up...Especially in this system where the QB bootlegs and rolls out a lot...

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 10:57 PM
Barwin is coming off of a serious injury. I started to put Cushing inside, but I think we'd be better served getting Sharpton on the field instead of Barwin.

I know its sexy to think about Barwin out there on the edge...I think he'd be good in a back-up role for us and on special teams.

Cushing is good out on the edge...I'd really prefer to keep him there...Plus he has really good size.


I also think it really comes down to what is better for us....Sharpton being on the field inside, or Barwin being on the edge outside...

That is, assuming we even get a rookie OLB to start for us...If we don't do that, they all of them can play....

Sharpton played well in the middle. Wouldn't it make more sense to leave him inside with Ryans and have Barwin and Cushing on the outside?

GuerillaBlack
01-05-2011, 10:59 PM
Mine would go like this:

FA signings:

Aubrayo Franklin - NT 49ers
Carlos Rogers CB Redskins AND/OR Antonio Cromartie - CB Jets
DL/LB/S depth

Draft:

Trade 1st and 2nd rounders (2nd round 2012 if horribly necessary) to get a high enough pick for...

1st - Patrick Peterson - CB/S LSU - (FS)
3rd - Mark Barron - SS Alabama - (SS)
4th - Shareece Wright - CB USC -(CB)
5th-7th - BAP (with preference to a KR/PR)

Sucks, but that is what we are going to have to do in order to even have a chance at Patrick Peterson, due to the meaningless win against Jacksonville. Doubt he'll slip to 11.

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 10:59 PM
I think Leinart is gone...I think someone will give him a shot to atleast compete for the starting spot...

I think VY would be much better than Dan-O as a back-up...Especially in this system where the QB bootlegs and rolls out a lot...

I don't want VY here for three reasons:

1) he's not very good, although he thinks he should be a starter

2) the VY fans here will be perpetually calling for him to start over a much better QB, and they'll never be convinced that Young isn't good enough in the NFL to even hold Schaub's jock

3) he's a locker room cancer

Rey
01-05-2011, 11:02 PM
Just want to point out that the scout website I like to look at had Barwin listed as the 4th best OLB prospect in 09, after Curry Cushing and Matthews. Just saying, he was projected by many to be a rush backer. Of course everything hinges on his recovery. But I'd hate to just throw away a dude we got in the 2nd round.

I think regardless Barwin will not be of a whole lot of benefit early in the season for us...

Maybe not Demeco either...

But Barwin basically will have not played football for an entire year...He's gonna have some growing pains trying to get back into form...

I don't want to see Barwin get thrown away either...I just don't know how realistic it would be to count on him be starter next year and playing at a high level...

If I'm Kubiak, and I know my job is really on the line, I would not count on that....

steelbtexan
01-05-2011, 11:04 PM
I like the fact that you were willing to trade up to get Peterson. I would probably give up even more in trade than that. Peterson is a rare athlete and worth the price. IMHO

I also like how your offseason and draft targeted the DB's. If you want to fix the secondary you have to invest the capital. (Draft picks/FA) you certianly did that.

I remember the Oilers drafted 4 DB's one draft. They were set in the secondary for next 6-8 yrs.

I really liked most of your offseason moves. The question is will BoB step up to the plate and put out the $$$$ to quickly improve the team.

Rey
01-05-2011, 11:05 PM
Sharpton played well in the middle. Wouldn't it make more sense to leave him inside with Ryans and have Barwin and Cushing on the outside?

That's what I said...

Except I'd draft Von Miller because I would not count on Barwin to be a starter next year after coming off serious injury, he's never been a starter and he hasn't played football in a year.

I'd have Von-Ryans-Sharpton-Cushing

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 11:07 PM
I really liked most of your offseason moves. The question is will BoB step up to the plate and put out the $$$$ to quickly improve the team.

If all it took was money, I really think Bob would've ponied up years ago. You gotta play within the salary cap rules, though, just like everyone else. I think it's all gonna depend on the CBA. Is 2011 uncapped right now, or will the signing of FA's be banned until a new CBA is reached?

Rey
01-05-2011, 11:10 PM
I don't want VY here for three reasons:

1) he's not very good, although he thinks he should be a starter

2) the VY fans here will be perpetually calling for him to start over a much better QB, and they'll never be convinced that Young isn't good enough in the NFL to even hold Schaub's jock

3) he's a locker room cancer

I can't really argue against that although I've never really heard anything about him being a cancer...I've mostly heard teammates come out and support him...But that said, I can definitely understand some of his teammates not liking the way he handled his business.


On another note, wasn't Leinart viewed in kind of the same way...a bit of a party boy, not very good on the field, maybe a bit immature???

He got released from his team just like Young...

Leinart hasn't played a down for us and now he's some kind of valuable commodity?

You'd really rather have DanO than VY???

We'll see what happens with Matt but he is probably gone. VY has had some success in this leauge...I think he can come in and work and play his role much like Leinart did...

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 11:17 PM
I can't really argue against that although I've never really heard anything about him being a cancer...I've mostly heard teammates come out and support him...But that said, I can definitely understand some of his teammates not liking the way he handled his business.


On another note, wasn't Leinart viewed in kind of the same way...a bit of a party boy, not very good on the field, maybe a bit immature???

He got released from his team just like Young...

Leinart hasn't played a down for us and now he's some kind of valuable commodity?

You'd really rather have DanO than VY???

We'll see what happens with Matt but he is probably gone. VY has had some success in this leauge...I think he can come in and work and play his role much like Leinart did...

VY literally quit on his coach and his team. LITERALLY QUIT. Regardless of circumstances, that's a cancer.

And by saying I'd rather have DanO than VY, I'm saying I'd rather have ANYONE than Vince.

I'm not necessarily a fan of Leinart, but Kubiak is an excellent QB coach, and he's been here a full season. He had tremendous tools coming out of college yet wasn't ruined in AZ the way Carr was here. I think he'd be a great backup for us. I can't think of anyone who would really be willing to give him a legitimate shot at a starting spot at this stage in his career, but you never know. If he can't find a team willing to take a flyer on him as a starter, he's probably best served staying here another year.

Rey
01-05-2011, 11:19 PM
VY literally quit on his coach and his team. LITERALLY QUIT. Regardless of circumstances, that's a cancer.

And by saying I'd rather have DanO than VY, I'm saying I'd rather have ANYONE than Vince.

I'm not necessarily a fan of Leinart, but Kubiak is an excellent QB coach, and he's been here a full season. He had tremendous tools coming out of college yet wasn't ruined in AZ the way Carr was here. I think he'd be a great backup for us. I can't think of anyone who would really be willing to give him a legitimate shot at a starting spot at this stage in his career, but you never know. If he can't find a team willing to take a flyer on him as a starter, he's probably best served staying here another year.

Ahem....Tennesee?????.........:headhurts:

:barman:

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 11:24 PM
Ahem....Tennesee?????.........:headhurts:

:barman:

OK, you got me there. I'd forgotten that Leinart was Fisher's first choice and Bud forced the VY selection.

cland
01-05-2011, 11:27 PM
Actually his first choice was Cutler.

MFG16
01-06-2011, 12:06 AM
Enjoy the perspective Rey, and I think if what you said happens a lot of fans would be happy.

I would switch it up a little though. Instead of going after Bailey I would target Terrence Newman. Familiar with Wade and his defense and would play corner instead of transitioning to safety. I would also look into the market for Antonio Smith. See if we can get a Griffin from the titans for Smith and a 3rd (?) maybe a 2nd. Im with you on franklin, we should target him hard.

for the draft I would get Miller with our 1st pick. Im not familiar with this draft class yet so Ill just stop at round 1.

Defense would look like:

RDE: Mario
NT: Franklin
LDE: Mitchell/Okoye

OLB: Miller
ILB: 'Meco
ILB: Sharpton/Adibi or FA/draft choice
OLB: Cush

LCB: Allen
FS: Griffin
SS: Nolan
RCB: Newman

IMO thats a legit defense, and thats not including any other FA/draft choices. Ryan Clark (trade), William Gay, and Lamar Woodley would be players id look into from Pittsburgh.

TexanAggie89
01-06-2011, 12:20 AM
Im glad the consensus is that we should pick up my boy Von Miller :chickendance:

Trust me, he is the real deal, he is a cant miss. I would be happy with Peterson also, but i doubt he falls to us. Besides, do what the packers did when they switched to a 3-4....Go out and get a BIG NT, (Jonny Jolly, BJ Raji) and a pass rushing beast OLB (Matthews)- Miller for us. :clap:

dream_team
01-06-2011, 12:34 AM
No way VY comes here... and I know a bunch of teams that are willing to bring him in to start. Raiders, Niners, Dolphins, and Vikings are all good candidates.

And if we do bring in another receiver, I think Jacoby is the odd man out. David Andersen plays his role perfectly... run past the first down marker, turn around, catch the ball, get hit, hold onto the ball, now go back to the sidelines. I think the Jacoby experiment is done with in Houston.

DerekLee1
01-06-2011, 12:43 AM
And if we do bring in another receiver, I think Jacoby is the odd man out. David Andersen plays his role perfectly... run past the first down marker, turn around, catch the ball, get hit, hold onto the ball, now go back to the sidelines. I think the Jacoby experiment is done with in Houston.

I think Jacoby is a 1 or 2 receiver. He has to be in the game for long periods to stay in a rhythm. He can't come in cold as a 3-or more package receiver. It would explain why he did so well filling in for AJ and so poorly off the bench. DA is perfect as a 3 receiver. So I think we gotta move either Jacoby or KW.

VTexan
01-06-2011, 12:55 AM
It's looking like winning that game against Jax is really costing us. The 6th pick I could definitely see AJ Green falling and possible Patrick Peterson.

I would definitely not draft a DE or DT at 11. Trading down and picking up Blackmon/Miller would be pretty clutch.


Champ Bailey at FS would be.......amazing (to say the least)

Norg
01-06-2011, 01:06 AM
U think we will look for a Rookie N/T or a VET ???????????

either way we are going to need 1 or 2 more STUD Linebackers now IMO

TexanAggie89
01-06-2011, 01:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoQII6vrPHE&feature=related

Just in case any of you are interested to see how he plays, this is Vons 2011 Draft highlight video. Hand in the dirt or standing up. Shows him in coverage also

DerekLee1
01-06-2011, 01:10 AM
U think we will look for a Rookie N/T or a VET ???????????

either way we are going to need 1 or 2 more STUD Linebackers now IMO

Probably try to use Cody, Mitchell, Smith, or Okoye at the NT initially, look for a vet to bring in, AND see what's available in the draft. As far as linebackers, we have a pretty solid corps now, especially if you consider Barwin as a rushing OLB in this system. Having Barwin as part of your every-down package will be a big deal. Then you have Cushing on the other side, Ryans and Sharpton in the middle. Adibi and Diles would also be in the rotation, plus whoever else we may bring in. We need a little more depth now, but I think we have our studs.

Insideop
01-06-2011, 01:34 AM
I think regardless Barwin will not be of a whole lot of benefit early in the season for us...

Maybe not Demeco either...

But Barwin basically will have not played football for an entire year...He's gonna have some growing pains trying to get back into form...

I don't want to see Barwin get thrown away either...I just don't know how realistic it would be to count on him be starter next year and playing at a high level...

If I'm Kubiak, and I know my job is really on the line, I would not count on that....

This brings up a few questions. What kind of injury did Barwin have? It's been so long ago I can't remember. And, since he was injured in the 1st game, will he be fully recovered by training camp? Also, I'm not sure about DeMeco either. How serious was his injury, and does he have enough time to heal before training camp starts?

Norg
01-06-2011, 01:45 AM
Probably try to use Cody, Mitchell, Smith, or Okoye at the NT initially, look for a vet to bring in, AND see what's available in the draft. As far as linebackers, we have a pretty solid corps now, especially if you consider Barwin as a rushing OLB in this system. Having Barwin as part of your every-down package will be a big deal. Then you have Cushing on the other side, Ryans and Sharpton in the middle. Adibi and Diles would also be in the rotation, plus whoever else we may bring in. We need a little more depth now, but I think we have our studs.

i agree with the LInebackers

But come on man ITS the Offseason !!! we have time to get our N/t and DE and Linebackers and Secondary we have time to SHop in F/A and the Draft to dice cut rearange trade and re work our line... and practice with it !!!

DerekLee1
01-06-2011, 09:39 AM
Leinart hasn't played a down for us and now he's some kind of valuable commodity?

You'd really rather have DanO than VY???

We'll see what happens with Matt but he is probably gone. VY has had some success in this leauge...I think he can come in and work and play his role much like Leinart did...

After a little research, there are quite a few quality guys out there we could land as backups. Rex Grossman, Seneca Wallace, Brady Quinn, Marc Bulger, Alex Smith, Tyler Thigpien, Matt Moore, Matt Hasselbeck. I'd prefer ALL of them over VY.

BigBull17
01-06-2011, 10:34 AM
Free Agency: Go hard after Champ Bailey.

Let him play FS. He has said that is his eventual goal so that he can prolong his career. Let him get started right now. I don't think there will be a huge learning curve for him. He know coverages. He has the ability to do it physically.

I'd go out and Get Richard Marshall at cornerback. He adds speed, is decent in pass coverage and is good in run support. He's not an old guy and he may not be all that high on Carolina's priority list so I've read. Instantly upgrades or Corners.

Baltimore has 3 corners about to hit the market. Fabian Washington, Josh Wilson, and Chris Carr. They will probably not re-sign all of them. Grab one of them.

I'd also like to see us go after Franklin from San Fran, Alan Branch from Arz, and Pat Williams as a veteran presence and a rotation player along the D-line...

I know it's not a popular opinion but I'd go after VY as a back-up QB. Can't see too many teams offering him the starting job so he would probably be more willing to come here. I think he'd be a good back-up for us and definitely better than Dan-O.

If we could get get any two of the D-linemen I mentioned Richard Marshall and Champ Bailey I'd be very happy.

I know I'm asking the Texans to break bread in Free Agency, but I think they should do it and make a real effort to get better over there.



Trade: Joel Dreesen, Amobi and a 5th for a 3rd round pick. Owen has looked good lately. Dressen has gotten his name out there and I think a few teams would like to have him as a potential starter...I think even if Owen gets hurt again, we would still have Casey and Hill behind him. This would also allow Casey to get more playing time.

Draft:

1: Julio Jones, WR Bama. Big fast wide out. Can come in and instantly get playing time. Sorry, DA, I really like you but you are probably the odd man out. I think he can be an impact player for us and I think he is better than some of the defensive players that would be on the board.

Offense is now extremely potent.

2: Trade 2nd and a 4th to move up to the bottom of the first or the top of the 2nd. Pick up Von Miller, OLB Texas A&M.

3:Kendrick Ellis, DT Hampton. Massive Human being at 6' 5" 340lbs...Has good skills to go with. Put up ridiculous numbers at Hampton after transferring from I believe South Carolina.

3: Kelvin Sheppard MLB, LSU. Big LB that is strong and can run. I think he will provide flexibility for us and should easily become a starter at some point.

5: Marcus Hyde, SS, Michigan State. Would like to see some competition for Barber.

6: Terrance Sweeny, CB, Kansas State. Can come in and compete at corner and kick returner. good speed.

7: Brandyn Thompson, CB, Boise State. Another guy that can come in and push some people and try to return kicks. Good speed.


Offensive line-up:

QB: Schaub, Young
RB: Foster, Tate, Ward, Slaton, Free agent
FB: Leach
WR: Johnson, Walter, Julio, Jacoby, Dickerson
TE: Daniels, Casey, Grahm, Hill
O-line: remains mostly the same

Defensive Lineup:

DE: Smith, Earl Mitchell
DT: Franklin, Kendrick Ellis, Pat Williams
DE: Mario, Shaun Cody, Damione Lewis

OLB: Cushing, Barwin, Mark Anderson
MLB: Demeco, Sharpton, Sheppard, Bentley, Adibi
OLB: Von Miller, Diles, Tim Jamison

CB: Richard Marshall, Quinn, Jackson, Baltimore FA corner
SS: Pollard, Nolan
FS: Champ Bailey, Eugene Wilson



I'm not a big draft guy, I don't know what will happen with the collective bargaining regarding free agency....But I do know I'd be super pumped if this was a large part of the Texans team next year.

I like how you slid VY onto our team. No way we sign him. If you do, the ***** Longhorn fans will boo every time Schaub throws an incomplete pass. VY is a baby, and a quitter. He can't get his head out of his ass, VY will be a Raider. I like every thing else I see.

Texas T
01-06-2011, 11:03 AM
I like how you slid VY onto our team. No way we sign him. If you do, the ***** Longhorn fans will boo every time Schaub throws an incomplete pass. VY is a baby, and a quitter. He can't get his head out of his ass, VY will be a Raider. I like every thing else I see.

Not all the 'Horns fans here want him. I've been a diehard 'Horns fan since I learned about football. I loved him when he played at Texas but I would NEVER want him on my team here. He has a horrible attitude and is a cancer to any team he ends up with.

Good luck to the Raiders if they pick him up...

infantrycak
01-06-2011, 11:40 AM
This brings up a few questions. What kind of injury did Barwin have? It's been so long ago I can't remember. And, since he was injured in the 1st game, will he be fully recovered by training camp? Also, I'm not sure about DeMeco either. How serious was his injury, and does he have enough time to heal before training camp starts?

Dr. Furst was on 610 am this morning and said everyone should be back and perfectly good by next season. His only caveat was AJ's ankle may become arthritic down the road.

On VY - there is no way in Hades he comes here both because of the history and because he is completely unsuited to the system.

BigBull17
01-06-2011, 12:35 PM
Not all the 'Horns fans here want him. I've been a diehard 'Horns fan since I learned about football. I loved him when he played at Texas but I would NEVER want him on my team here. He has a horrible attitude and is a cancer to any team he ends up with.

Good luck to the Raiders if they pick him up...

That's why I said I-D-I-O-T Longhorn fans. You aren't one of the guys who want Fisher to die because he IRed VY.

Rey
01-06-2011, 02:30 PM
I think Jacoby is a 1 or 2 receiver. He has to be in the game for long periods to stay in a rhythm. He can't come in cold as a 3-or more package receiver. It would explain why he did so well filling in for AJ and so poorly off the bench. DA is perfect as a 3 receiver. So I think we gotta move either Jacoby or KW.

I am as down on Jacoby for what he did this past season as anyone...

But I don't think they'd keep DA over him....

They may find a way to keep 6 WR's if they drafted another one high, but I just can't see them keeping DA and letting Jacoby walk...

DerekLee1
01-06-2011, 02:32 PM
I am as down on Jacoby for what he did this past season as anyone...

But I don't think they'd keep DA over him....

They may find a way to keep 6 WR's if they drafted another one high, but I just can't see them keeping DA and letting Jacoby walk...

JJ is a FA; DA is under contract. Depends on how much JJ commands on the market. You don't want to over pay for him when you have DA on the bench and Dorin Dickerson in the wings. Not to mention we have some pretty good PS players also.

Rey
01-06-2011, 02:32 PM
After a little research, there are quite a few quality guys out there we could land as backups. Rex Grossman, Seneca Wallace, Brady Quinn, Marc Bulger, Alex Smith, Tyler Thigpien, Matt Moore, Matt Hasselbeck. I'd prefer ALL of them over VY.


I'd prefer Hassleback, Grossman, Bulger....Maybe Wallace...

None of them have the talent that he does though...

Rey
01-06-2011, 02:34 PM
JJ is a FA; DA is under contract. Depends on how much JJ commands on the market. You don't want to over pay for him when you have DA on the bench and Dorin Dickerson in the wings. Not to mention we have some pretty good PS players also.

Yeah, I know he's a FA, but the free agent talk is moot until they decide what's going to happen with the CBA...

I am not 100% sure on player contracts, but under the recent rules, couldn't he be tendered for a reasonable price?

Rey
01-06-2011, 02:39 PM
Dr. Furst was on 610 am this morning and said everyone should be back and perfectly good by next season. His only caveat was AJ's ankle may become arthritic down the road.

I didn't here Dr. Furst on 610 this morning...one of the few times I couldn't listen to the morning show...Flat tire...

But anyways, can you explain more about what he said?

I can see them being back to normal "civilian" form...

But as football players, did he explain or suggest how their performance would be affected?

I just can't see Demeco nor Barwin coming back and playing at the level they were playing at before...I think it's probably gonna take both of them a while to get back...

Also you have to think about the fact that Barwin hasn't been a full time starter before and he's missed a whole year...If I'm the Texans I wouldn't count on him coming in and being my starter for next season...JMO..

bigbrewster2000
01-06-2011, 02:52 PM
JJ is a FA; DA is under contract. Depends on how much JJ commands on the market. You don't want to over pay for him when you have DA on the bench and Dorin Dickerson in the wings. Not to mention we have some pretty good PS players also.

He is a restricted FA, so there probably wont be much of a market as we would be compensated if someone else signed him depending on the tender he is given

infantrycak
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
I didn't here Dr. Furst on 610 this morning...one of the few times I couldn't listen to the morning show...Flat tire...

But anyways, can you explain more about what he said?

I can see them being back to normal "civilian" form...

But as football players, did he explain or suggest how their performance would be affected?

I just can't see Demeco nor Barwin coming back and playing at the level they were playing at before...I think it's probably gonna take both of them a while to get back...

Also you have to think about the fact that Barwin hasn't been a full time starter before and he's missed a whole year...If I'm the Texans I wouldn't count on him coming in and being my starter for next season...JMO..

He was speaking in relation to football and said none of them should have a problem being 100% next year.

TheCD
01-06-2011, 03:19 PM
I didn't here Dr. Furst on 610 this morning...one of the few times I couldn't listen to the morning show...Flat tire...

But anyways, can you explain more about what he said?

I can see them being back to normal "civilian" form...

But as football players, did he explain or suggest how their performance would be affected?

I just can't see Demeco nor Barwin coming back and playing at the level they were playing at before...I think it's probably gonna take both of them a while to get back...

Also you have to think about the fact that Barwin hasn't been a full time starter before and he's missed a whole year...If I'm the Texans I wouldn't count on him coming in and being my starter for next season...JMO..


All I can remember is that Barwin had a severely dislocated ankle. Unless I am missing something that doesn't seem like anything that would be debilitating down the road.

OrdinaryAvgGuy
01-06-2011, 03:26 PM
I would love to see us take Von Miller. But if you think we are going to trade BACK to take him, you are mistaken.

Many early mock drafts I have seen put him in the top 10, which would mean that we would have to trade UP to get him.

Rey
01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
All I can remember is that Barwin had a severely dislocated ankle. Unless I am missing something that doesn't seem like anything that would be debilitating down the road.

No, Not debilitating...

But as far as his performance for next year is concerned I think it will have an impact on him.

Errant Hothy
01-06-2011, 03:40 PM
It's looking like winning that game against Jax is really costing us. The 6th pick I could definitely see AJ Green falling and possible Patrick Peterson.

I would definitely not draft a DE or DT at 11. Trading down and picking up Blackmon/Miller would be pretty clutch.


Champ Bailey at FS would be.......amazing (to say the least)

I don't think there was much of a chance of Peterson falling to 6, so I doubt the win cost us anything in that regard (with Luck staying in school, Peterson may go first overall).

Dutchrudder
01-06-2011, 04:36 PM
Lofty goals Rey, but I don't think much of this happens, unless a new CBA is put in place soon. We normally don't do much in free agency, and the lockout is a good excuse to keep that up. I bet the Texans remain much the same as far as starters go in 2011.

cland
01-06-2011, 05:29 PM
No, Not debilitating...

But as far as his performance for next year is concerned I think it will have an impact on him.

I disagree on their health, Barwin's ankle and DeMeco's Achilles aren't as difficult to comeback from as a torn knee ligament. No reason they shouldn't be 100%.

What will be a concern is if we don't have a full season to implement the 3-4 change. This will be both player's first time in that scheme, and the lockout could hurt our team as we need to implement an entirely new defensive scheme.

Rey
01-10-2011, 04:44 PM
I disagree on their health, Barwin's ankle and DeMeco's Achilles aren't as difficult to comeback from as a torn knee ligament. No reason they shouldn't be 100%.

What will be a concern is if we don't have a full season to implement the 3-4 change. This will be both player's first time in that scheme, and the lockout could hurt our team as we need to implement an entirely new defensive scheme.

I've yet to see a player come back from an injury where they were out the amount of time that Barwin and Demeco were out and come back 100%.

They will at least be rusty. At the least.

Both will be learning a new scheme and Barwin has never been a day in day out starter on this level.

Adding all of those factors up I think you have to at least pick up some really good insurance.


On another note I've changed my mind on Cushing playing outside.

Cushing and Demeco at Mike. Barwin and Von Miller at OLB.

VTexan
01-10-2011, 07:05 PM
I've yet to see a player come back from an injury where they were out the amount of time that Barwin and Demeco were out and come back 100%.

They will at least be rusty. At the least.

Both will be learning a new scheme and Barwin has never been a day in day out starter on this level.

Adding all of those factors up I think you have to at least pick up some really good insurance.


On another note I've changed my mind on Cushing playing outside.

Cushing and Demeco at Mike. Barwin and Von Miller at OLB.

time to add in namdi into the mix of the perfect offseason

drs23
01-10-2011, 08:01 PM
time to add in namdi into the mix of the perfect offseason

That would be a home run IMO. One could only imagine, and both are there for the taking. Pull the trigger!

leebigeztx
01-11-2011, 12:12 PM
I like some of the thoughts, but I would like to add players whom I also think would help. The team in general need player or players at all 3 levels.

Franklin is the 1st choice for nt because he is special. He's stout, great motor, pursues down the line, can 1 or 2 gap. He's going to cost alot of money. A cost effective player whom I think can do a really good job is Alan Branch. Big,strong guy inside with upside. The cardinals drafted Williams and will probably let him walk.

My personal opinion about the lb's are this,ryans is a strong ilb and cushing is the wilb. What that means is ryans is the take on guy and cushing is the spill guy. In pittsburgh, timmons was the take on guy and farrior was the spill guy. Adibi cant play in this defense and I have a hard time putting sharpton in it also.

Olb is probably the position the texans probably need the least at.I think barwin when healthy will be a natural at olb. Ex te, great athlete,smooth and fluid. I see no reason he cant drop and cover in the flats.

Another guy who can make a seemless transition to olb is anderson. The great thing about the 3-4 is having a position for these undersized de. Look at Hali in KC and Dumervill in denver as recent examples. Playing anderson away from the te side would work.

A player I would like to add is mathias kiwinueka. He came into the league as a de but was moved to olb,but moved back to de. He's a long,rangy player with versitility. He can rush the passer standing or in 3 pt stance. He is perfect for the 3-4 and could provide alot of matchup problems for the offense. If the team wants to be cost effective, Jarrett Johnson would be a good 2nd choice.

The secondary needs the most attention and thats being kind.No need to talk about the exploits of nmandi or champ. The more pressing question is the combo the texans need to improve their terrible pass defense. If it were me, I go get nmandi and hope I can sell Champ on our past relationship. Richard Marshall is a really good, underrated player,but getting nmandi would allow the defense to do alot of special things. Nmandi can take the other teams best wr out the game and allow the dc to roll or half roll to the other corner. In reality, Allen might be better served at safety which is the position he was drafted at. In fact, i think the range and speed of allen to replace Wilson would be a huge upgrade in the secondary.

All in all, the texans cant afford to get all of them. If they get franklin, they will probably will have to get johnson and marshall. If they want nmandi, then they would have to go with branch and johnson. Mathias would also yield branch and marshall. I would probably go with nmandi, kiwi,and branch.