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Shaft75
01-05-2011, 06:24 PM
We have been angry with the front office for years over this, a big body in the middle. This should be the year we get a big boy on the front line of our defense.

Let the sunshine in...
Let the sunshine in...
:clap:

b0ng
01-05-2011, 06:26 PM
We have been angry with the front office for years over this, a big body in the middle. This should be the year we get a big boy on the front line of our defense.

Let the sunshine in...
Let the sunshine in...
:clap:

Better hope it's a FA of some kind, because if they expect a rookie to come in and man the nose in a 3-4 it could be awfully ugly here again.

Shaft75
01-05-2011, 06:27 PM
Better hope it's a FA of some kind, because if they expect a rookie to come in and man the nose in a 3-4 it could be awfully ugly here again.

Or trade. Bye bye Amobi!

ThaShark316
01-05-2011, 06:29 PM
I dunno...Jay Ratliff played 3-4 as their NT...at 6-4, 300...which isn't near the space eater that more 3-4s covet.

It's going to one interesting off-season.

J_R
01-05-2011, 06:29 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4TJqGkn5AZD4jYnhbSrSMSH_-gTgyAWVLSZtKJPnP-DRGBaJCkA

Rey
01-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Get a couple of fat bodies, but start Mario there. Let Amobi and Smith play the ends. That way you can start off upgrading your DB's and LB's and also upgrading your interior O-line and receivers...

ChampionTexan
01-05-2011, 06:34 PM
I dunno...Jay Ratliff played 3-4 as their NT...at 6-4, 300...which isn't near the space eater that more 3-4s covet.

It's going to one interesting off-season.

Yeah, and at San Diego, he had 348 lb. (cough, cough) Jamal Williams.

Both Ratliff and Williams are/were pro-bowlers, so it will be interesting to see what we end up with. It's kind of nice to know that there's not just one kind of guy who can fit Wade's defense at that position.

ESAD2-14
01-05-2011, 06:35 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4TJqGkn5AZD4jYnhbSrSMSH_-gTgyAWVLSZtKJPnP-DRGBaJCkA

LOL. Is that your nominee for Texans Space Eating NT?

:wadepalm:

ThaShark316
01-05-2011, 06:36 PM
Get a couple of fat bodies, but start Mario there. Let Amobi and Smith play the ends. That way you can start off upgrading your DB's and LB's and also upgrading your interior O-line and receivers...

Where on the interior line though? RG?

Center and Left Guard were great this year compared to years past.

JB
01-05-2011, 06:55 PM
LOL. Is that your nominee for Texans Eating Pro-bowler?

:wadepalm:


Yep!

Fox
01-05-2011, 07:12 PM
Mario agrees with you.

QUOTE
Williams also said the Texans will need to get a massive nose tackle to clog the middle to make a 3-4 alignment work.

"We've got big guys, but it's just a totally different animal," he said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5992848

We need a beast in there.

DexmanC
01-05-2011, 07:15 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4TJqGkn5AZD4jYnhbSrSMSH_-gTgyAWVLSZtKJPnP-DRGBaJCkA


LOL. Is that your nominee for Texans Space Eating NT?

:wadepalm:

Looks like he's eatin' a whole lot more than space.

CretorFrigg
01-05-2011, 07:18 PM
We can probably sign this guy to a contract!

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517.jpg

DexmanC
01-05-2011, 07:20 PM
We can probably sign this guy to a contract!

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517.jpg

Who ever puts food within 100 feet of this man within a 1-month period
needs to be brought-up on charges.

mexican_texan
01-05-2011, 07:24 PM
We can probably sign this guy to a contract!

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517.jpg
I was wondering whatever happened to Ron Dayne.

ThaShark316
01-05-2011, 07:25 PM
Who ever puts food within 100 feet of this man within a 1-month period
needs to be brought-up on charges.

http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Dead/DeadBanana.gif

ChampionTexan
01-05-2011, 07:26 PM
Who ever puts food within 100 feet of this man within a 1-month period
needs to be brought-up on charges.

So should the next person to post that picture again.

Carr Bombed
01-05-2011, 07:29 PM
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb263/slimkid_buckeye/stewie-guy-puke.gif

Why did y'all post that picture...

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Offer a 5th round pick for Shaun Rogers.

Carr Bombed
01-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Offer a 5th round pick for Shaun Rogers.

Yeah, I'd try to get Shaun Rogers.

MojoX
01-05-2011, 07:38 PM
There is more than one kind of 3-4 defense. Phillips' version doesn't need a massive NT to operate like the purer 3-4 Parcells favors.

Here is a great link someone posted earlier:
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/guide-to-n-f-l-defenses-part-4-the-3-4-front/

Corrosion
01-05-2011, 08:15 PM
That guy might actually be on the team right now ..... Shaun Cody had a pretty damn good season. I think he was the best player on the DL for much of the year. Made plays all over the field.


Ive stated this a dozen times or more here but it's always overlooked ....

The main problem with this defensive front is what the DT's are asked to do which is penetrate rather than push the pocket what this has done is always left a place for the QB to step up away from the outside rush which just gets run right by on the back side. They have always left angles for the QB because of what they have been asked to do ....


Maybe a change in scheme and responsibility is what this defensive front needs. Especially 0k0ye , I think he's better suited to a 3-4 DE rather than a 4-3 DT .....

VTexan
01-05-2011, 08:18 PM
I think we will see really soon if Smith is a good GM or not.

TheIronDuke
01-05-2011, 08:23 PM
I think we will see really soon if Smith is a good GM or not.

Eh, I think we already have.

VTexan
01-05-2011, 08:30 PM
eh, i think we already have.


optimism :)

Rey
01-05-2011, 08:31 PM
Where on the interior line though? RG?

Center and Left Guard were great this year compared to years past.

I was thinking RG or even a RT and moving Winston to RG...

It seems that Winston has been suspect at times this year...

mussop
01-05-2011, 09:12 PM
I was thinking RG or even a RT and moving Winston to RG...

It seems that Winston has been suspect at times this year...

I think both of our T's would be better G's. Brown would be an pro bowler on the inside.

wagonhed
01-05-2011, 10:06 PM
We can probably sign this guy to a contract!

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517jpg

i'm considering a neg rep for this........


edit: broke the link so people don't have to see it on this page too.

HJam72
01-05-2011, 10:13 PM
i'm considering a neg rep for this........


edit: broke the link so people don't have to see it on this page too.

You mean this link?

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517.jpg

Texan_Bill
01-05-2011, 10:13 PM
We have been angry with the front office for years over this, a big body in the middle. This should be the year we get a big boy on the front line of our defense.

Let the sunshine in...
Let the sunshine in...
:clap:

Just a fat guy... That's what we need, especially since we'll go to the 3-4.... A big fat, fat guy!! A Vince Wilfork...


http://www.theotherfifteen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vince-wilfork.jpg

HJam72
01-05-2011, 10:16 PM
Yeah, fat guys are beautiful.

http://x63.xanga.com/1d8d764677131136705411/m100298517.jpg

Bulluck53
01-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Trade up for Bama's Marcell Dareus, or hope he falls in the Texans' lap.

CloakNNNdagger
01-05-2011, 11:13 PM
Put some money up:

Nick Fairly (Auburn) (http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/Nick-Fairley.htm)Height: 6-4

Weight: 315
40-Yard Dash: 4.90

Strengths:
Incredible combination of size, speed, and athletic ability
Uses hands very effectively, long arms
Disruptive run stuffer, often getting to the ball carrier in the backfield
Explosive pass rusher, great first step and burst off the line
Can get to the quarterback using his strength on the bull rush, but also has a nice arsenal of pass-rushing moves that take advantage of his athletic ability
Consistently splits gaps and double teams
Has the agility and speed to chase string plays out from sideline to sideline
Great snap anticipation, often the first player off the line
Good closing burst on tackles

Weaknesses:There are no significant weaknesses in Fairley's game that I can see at this time.

Bottom Line on Nick Fairley:Nick Fairley is an elite prospect at defensive tackle who should quickly develop into an impact player in the NFL. His overall size and athletic ability are rare, which is why he will go very high in the draft. He also has the versatility to play in any system. He's equally devastating against the run and as a pass rusher, and has Pro Bowl potential written all over him.

Projection: Fairly should be a top-five pick in 2011 if he decides to leave school early

Bulluck53
01-06-2011, 12:38 AM
Weaknesses:There are no significant weaknesses in Fairley's game that I can see at this time.

Man, you've got to love seeing that :)

I don't want to see Fairley in a 3-4 at all. I think he will do very well in a 4-3, think Warren Sapp. But he would surely do fine as a 3-4 nose.

Doppelganger
01-06-2011, 08:39 AM
I was wondering whatever happened to Ron Dayne.

I thought Ron Dyane liked Burgers

http://bulkup.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Large-Burger.jpg

HOU-TEX
01-06-2011, 10:07 AM
Just a fat guy... That's what we need, especially since we'll go to the 3-4.... A big fat, fat guy!! A Vince Wilfork...


http://www.theotherfifteen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/vince-wilfork.jpg

Freakin love me some Wilfork! Dude's a flat out beast

IDEXAN
01-06-2011, 10:13 AM
If you're gonna have your nose tackle play a 2-gap then you want somebody like Wilfork, but if he's in the gap (a 1-gapper), as Wade did in Dallas where he used the "smallish" Ratliff, then we don't need a "space eater".

gtexan02
01-06-2011, 11:13 AM
I would rather have a FS

The1ApplePie
01-06-2011, 11:45 AM
Man, you've got to love seeing that :)

I don't want to see Fairley in a 3-4 at all. I think he will do very well in a 4-3, think Warren Sapp. But he would surely do fine as a 3-4 nose.

Thanks to the clutch win against the Jags, there is no way the Texans land Fairley.

I would rather have a FS

Probably no one worth a 1st.

A pass rushing OLB will probably be the pick. I see Cush going inside, and there is way too much risk of Barwin flopping due to injury

HOU-TEX
01-06-2011, 11:48 AM
If you're gonna have your nose tackle play a 2-gap then you want somebody like Wilfork, but if he's in the gap (a 1-gapper), as Wade did in Dallas where he used the "smallish" Ratliff, then we don't need a "space eater".

Wilfork's played all along the line (except DE, obviously) in the Pats hybrid. He actually kicked more ass playing the typical 4-3 DT position.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 11:56 AM
I would rather have a FS

I'd rather have both , but if I had to settle on one or the other , give me the FS.
I think this DL is servicable with Shaun Cody at the NT , 0k0ye and Antonio Smith at the ends with MW and Barwin as your OLB's. If Ryans comes back 100% your front 7 is set with he and Cushing in the middle.

A healthy Barwin allows them to do a lot of things due to his unique abilities. He (and MW) are athletic enough to cover TE's , RB's in the flats and we all know both can get to the passer.

BigBull17
01-06-2011, 12:29 PM
Offer a 5th round pick for Shaun Rogers.

If he isn't being lazy, that's actually a good idea.

b0ng
01-06-2011, 12:33 PM
I don't see the Texans taking a CB or a FS in the first round unless one of Akumara (Is that how you spell his name? ****ing Nebraska I swear) or Peterson is still there at the 11. There are no Eric Berry's or Earl Thomas's in this draft, and my guess is that with all the change in the front 7 on defense, that is where the first pick will go.

Would be thrilled to get Fairley but that dude has been and will be a top 5 pick. We could've had a decent shot at him if we didn't decide to WIN ONE FOR THE ****ING GIPPER LAST SUNDAY YOU ***** TEXANS GODDAMNIT.

IDEXAN
01-06-2011, 12:41 PM
Wilfork's played all along the line (except DE, obviously) in the Pats hybrid. He actually kicked more ass playing the typical 4-3 DT position.

As did the Ravens Ngata who was drafted to play nose-T but these days spends more time at DE. But I still think of both them as NTs because of their size but with the versitility to play other positions because of their athleticism.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 12:55 PM
I don't see the Texans taking a CB or a FS in the first round unless one of Akumara (Is that how you spell his name? ****ing Nebraska I swear) or Peterson is still there at the 11. There are no Eric Berry's or Earl Thomas's in this draft, and my guess is that with all the change in the front 7 on defense, that is where the first pick will go.

Would be thrilled to get Fairley but that dude has been and will be a top 5 pick. We could've had a decent shot at him if we didn't decide to WIN ONE FOR THE ****ING GIPPER LAST SUNDAY YOU ***** TEXANS GODDAMNIT.

They could always move up ..... or down.


Its painfully obvious to anyone who has watched the Texans over the years , they have never really had any talent at the FS spot. If they can move down and still get the best FS prospect on the board while aquiring extra picks , I'd do it.
Pollard along with a guy on the opposite side who's skills offset his would be real nice to have - Pending Pollard returns.

If a team picking ahead of the Texans happens to be looking at a QB other than Andrew Luck , they'd likely be willing to move down. I just dont see another QB worth taking in the top 15 picks.

b0ng
01-06-2011, 01:26 PM
They could always move up ..... or down.


Its painfully obvious to anyone who has watched the Texans over the years , they have never really had any talent at the FS spot. If they can move down and still get the best FS prospect on the board while aquiring extra picks , I'd do it.
Pollard along with a guy on the opposite side who's skills offset his would be real nice to have - Pending Pollard returns.

If a team picking ahead of the Texans happens to be looking at a QB other than Andrew Luck , they'd likely be willing to move down. I just dont see another QB worth taking in the top 15 picks.

I haven't seen this regime move up before, but being in the 11 spot means we're probably sacrificing a bit of our draft in order to get one guy. Not sure if our 3 headed monster of a front office is going to see our roster as being good enough for one player to put it over the top like that.

As far as moving down, to me that's just something that happens on draft day if things fall the right/wrong way for this particular team. I don't think they are going to go in with the idea of trading down no matter who is available at the time but who knows.

Also this is before the combine or even who has officially declared and all that. You might not see any other top 15 picks, but that doesn't mean come April, Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert isn't up there jockeying for a top 10 or 15 spot.

kiwitexansfan
01-06-2011, 01:47 PM
If Phillips brings in a one gap 3-4 scheme, we still may not get the big space eater.

At least with the introduction of the 3-4 (which by the way I LOVE) it once again enters the discussion.

Texan4Ever
01-06-2011, 01:49 PM
John McClain anyone?

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 02:50 PM
Also this is before the combine or even who has officially declared and all that. You might not see any other top 15 picks, but that doesn't mean come April, Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert isn't up there jockeying for a top 10 or 15 spot.

I agree with that .... Was more an opinion than fact based upon their body of work during their college career's.
I do think both of those guy's make better NFL QB's than Cameron who it seems will change positions anyway - to where ?! who knows.

Rey
01-06-2011, 02:52 PM
I'd rather have both , but if I had to settle on one or the other , give me the FS.
I think this DL is servicable with Shaun Cody at the NT , 0k0ye and Antonio Smith at the ends with MW and Barwin as your OLB's. If Ryans comes back 100% your front 7 is set with he and Cushing in the middle.

A healthy Barwin allows them to do a lot of things due to his unique abilities. He (and MW) are athletic enough to cover TE's , RB's in the flats and we all know both can get to the passer.

I don't see any way possible they put Mario at OLB...

He's is athletic, but he isn't that type of athletic...No way he can cover a TE man to man...

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 02:56 PM
I don't see any way possible they put Mario at OLB...

He's is athletic, but he isn't that type of athletic...No way he can cover a TE man to man...

They have had him drop into coverage often enough .... I could easily see him in the Demarcus Ware role .


You are probably correct tho , he likely winds up as a DE in any scheme they run.

Rey
01-06-2011, 03:01 PM
They have had him drop into coverage often enough .... I could easily see him in the Demarcus Ware role .


You are probably correct tho , he likely winds up as a DE in any scheme they run.

When he drops back it's some type of Zone coverage...

I doubt he's ever covered anyone man to man in an NFL game....

Can you imagine Mario trying to check Dallas Clark, Antonio Gates, or even our own Owen Daniels? :yikes:

Probably wouldn't have very many LB's covering those guys anyways, but that'd be a match-up that I'd hate to get caught in even every once in a while. I just don't think Mario has the hips or the acceleration and change of direction speed to start at OLB...

Not saying he could never rush from that position or drop into coverage from there....

Yankee_In_TX
01-06-2011, 03:29 PM
We have been angry with the front office for years over this, a big body in the middle. This should be the year we get a big boy on the front line of our defense.

Let the sunshine in...
Let the sunshine in...
:clap:

Err, we're going to go small and athletic.:mariopalm:

burro
01-06-2011, 10:15 PM
For the record, what ever happened to Frank Okam?

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 10:44 PM
For the record, what ever happened to Frank Okam?

Okam was cut I believe.

burro
01-06-2011, 11:07 PM
Okam was cut I believe.

I know this much, but why exactly? He was certainly fat enough for what we're looking for now.

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 11:18 PM
I know this much, but why exactly? He was certainly fat enough for what we're looking for now.

The term that was thrown around at the time was that he didnt fit the system.

Depending on what they want to do in this version of the 3-4 he still may not fit the system.

BattleRedToro
01-06-2011, 11:22 PM
I don't see any way possible they put Mario at OLB...

He's is athletic, but he isn't that type of athletic...No way he can cover a TE man to man...

I expect Wade will utilize Mario the same way he did Bruce Smith, Right Defensive End.

Texan_Bill
01-06-2011, 11:26 PM
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:

Corrosion
01-06-2011, 11:37 PM
I expect Wade will utilize Mario the same way he did Bruce Smith, Right Defensive End.

Thats about what I expect but MW has so much ability .... You could really create problems by moving him around. He and Barwin on the same side of the field could wreak a lot of havoc.

Honoring Earl 34
01-06-2011, 11:44 PM
Fat guys


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65045&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66559&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

OLBs

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75935&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68308&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE

MojoX
01-06-2011, 11:46 PM
Thats about what I expect but MW has so much ability .... You could really create problems by moving him around. He and Barwin on the same side of the field could wreak a lot of havoc.

Yeah, the Patriots would move Richard Seymour all over the line to confuse the protection. I don't know if Williams would be happy being a catalyst and posting Seymour type stats, but I am thinking Phillips' imagination is filled with ways to exploit Williams' versatility.

mexican_texan
01-07-2011, 02:06 AM
For the record, what ever happened to Frank Okam?

Started for the Bucs towards the end of the season.

wagonhed
01-07-2011, 03:18 AM
Started for the Bucs towards the end of the season.

I wonder how well he did. Wouldn't surprise me if he was another wasted talent, victim of shitty personnel evaluation by our coaching staff and GM.

CloakNNNdagger
01-07-2011, 08:18 AM
I wonder how well he did. Wouldn't surprise me if he was another wasted talent, victim of shitty personnel evaluation by our coaching staff and GM.

Okam stepped in for their injured starting DT and...............:kubepalm::wadepalm:

RISING
[Dec 29, 2010]

1. Frank Okam, defensive tackle, Buccaneers. Itís only one game, but Okam took a big stride in possibly shedding the underachiever label thatís been with him for most of his career. In Sundayís victory against Seattle, Okam played a major role in shutting down the running game. With rookie starters Gerald McCoy and Brian Price lost to injuries, Okam stepped in and produced seven tackles, including two for losses. With McCoy, Price and Roy Miller all returning next year, Okam has a good chance to stick around as the fourth tackle for the long haul.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/1229/nfl_a_okam_bl_200.jpg

Rey
01-07-2011, 08:31 AM
Okam stepped in for their injured starting DT and...............:kubepalm::wadepalm:

Poor coaching, poor use of personnel, poor personnel decision making.

Rey
01-07-2011, 08:32 AM
I heard Wade likes what Cody and Mitchell can potentially bring to the NG position.

You guys might want to hold off on getting that fat body.

Corrosion
01-07-2011, 09:16 AM
I heard Wade likes what Cody and Mitchell can potentially bring to the NG position.

You guys might want to hold off on getting that fat body.

Where have I heard that before ?? ..... On page two of this thread .... Post #22.

HuttoKarl
01-07-2011, 09:24 AM
Okam stepped in for their injured starting DT and...............:kubepalm::wadepalm:

Our coaching staff sucks.

HOU-TEX
01-07-2011, 09:58 AM
Fat guys


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65045&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66559&draftyear=2011&genpos=DT

OLBs

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70987&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75935&draftyear=2011&genpos=OLB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=68308&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE

Interesting prospects, Earl. I'd be ok drafting a NT, but only to backup our starter. IMO, a quality starting NT would be one that is experienced and knows all the tricks of NFL interior Olines. Unless of course we end up with a Ndamukong Suh type player who dominates from day 1.

I've watched a Acho play and like the way he plays. I haven't gotten into draft mode yet, but he might be one to be had on the 2nd day. I'm not too familiar with the other 2. I'm sure I be learnin myself of a buncha players in about a month or so. Too much football still going on

drs23
01-08-2011, 12:38 PM
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:

Take that back TB! JB's not FAT! He's one of the most athleticly cut bourbon guzzelers I've ever had the honor of bourbon guzzeling with! :slapfight:

burro
01-08-2011, 03:39 PM
Poor coaching, poor use of personnel, poor personnel decision making.

Shock. Awe. Shock AND Awe. :wadepalm:

The Pencil Neck
01-08-2011, 03:47 PM
For the record, what ever happened to Frank Okam?

Okam went to Tampa Bay and had some good games. He made some tackles and he recovered at least 1 fumble. I actually picked him up in my fantasy league and he got me some points.

Lucky
01-08-2011, 04:17 PM
Our coaching staff sucks.
Don't worry, the Texans fired their DL coach.

What? They kept him, too (http://www.hcnonline.com/courier/sports/article_171b2bfb-5ab4-5327-aa8f-5fef1164d7f1.html)?

Defensive line coach Bill Kollar is keeping his job, even though the pass rush was also an issue.
That's OK. Gary Kubiak is keeping his job, even though clock manangement, game decisions, personnel evaluation, staff selelection, and game planning are still issues.

steelbtexan
01-08-2011, 04:32 PM
Don't worry, the Texans fired their DL coach.

What? They kept him, too (http://www.hcnonline.com/courier/sports/article_171b2bfb-5ab4-5327-aa8f-5fef1164d7f1.html)?


That's OK. Gary Kubiak is keeping his job, even though clock manangement, game decisions, personnel evaluation, staff selelection, and game planning are still issues.

Great Avatar


Good ole boys never meanin no harm. McNair/Kubiak/Phillips

JB
01-08-2011, 07:01 PM
YUP!! Okam was released because he was a big fat guy buy the last defensive regime. He didn't quite fit their "smaller and athletic" kinda build...


That said, the Texans should take a look at JB... He's a big ol fat guy!!!! :kitten:



:bat: Fat? I ain't fat!



http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx307/TexanJB/me23.jpg





Or, I wasn't 30 years ago...

J_R
01-08-2011, 11:43 PM
Lance Zierlein looks at the Texans D for 2010 and who fits going foward. (http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/01/post_173.html) Only going to post the 'Moving forward' part.
Defensive End:
Moving Forward: As the Texans transition to a 3-4, they will be very happy to have Antonio Smith and Mario Williams as their DEs. The 3-4 DEs have to be tall, with strength and long arms and that is exactly what Mario and Antonio have. 3-4 DEs are more about power and bull-rushing than finesse and "moves" so in that regard, I really like those guys at that DE spot. Barwin will be able to fit in as a 3-4 OLB and a DE when they go to a 4-3 hybrid look. Barwin will probably be best suited as the weak-side OLB on the QBs blind side. Many times, this player will rush the passer more with less coverage responsibilities. Mark Anderson probably isn't a fit any longer in the 3-4, but Jesse Nading might be able to compete for a spot as a 3-4 OLB.

Defensive Tackle:
Moving forward: Cody has the size to be a rotation player at DE or NT, but he's not really suited for those positions full-time. Still, he'll be on the team next year. I could see Earl Mitchell as a rotation player at the nose, but he's not big enough to be a full-time 3-4 nose. Mitchell is quick off the snap and does have some strength so Wade Phillips could probably make use of him. Okoye's short arms and lack of strength at the point of attack mean he probably can't play the nose and he does have the size or length to play the DE spot. My guess is that the Texans will try and trade him unless they feel like they need him to fill a roster spot out. Any way that you look at it, the Texans don't have a classic 3-4 nose on the roster and they will have to draft at least one while searching another out via free agency.

Cornerback:
Moving forward: I feel very comfortable saying that Antuan Molden is gone and it is pretty likely that Brice McCain will be gone as well. I fully expect the Texans to bring in a veteran CB like Ike Taylor or Champ Bailey to be a starter while letting Kareem Jackson fight for the 2nd or 3rd CB spot. I said it before and after he was drafted and I'll say it once again - Glover Quin needs to move to one of the safety positions. While Quin isn't as fluid as you would like turning and running as a corner, he would be an above average safety in terms of coverage and he's tough enough to play either spot in Wade Phillips' defense. By moving Quin to a safety spot, you take care of a position that you've struggled to fill since the inception of your franchise and it would free the Texans to concentrate on drafting another CB in the first three rounds. Jason Allen will probably make the team next year.

Safety:
Moving forward: There will be some people who will wonder out loud if Pollard can play 3-4 OLB and the answer is no. He can, however, play that position in certain exotic packages, but not as a full-time OLB. I do not think it is a lock that Pollard is back. As Wade Phillips knows, box safeties (see Roy Williams) can get you in trouble pretty quickly on the back end of your coverage. Wilson will probably be gone if the Texans bring in a veteran safety or move Quin to safety, but Nolan is likely to get one more year to prove himself because he's young and cheap. As for Dominique Barber, the team has always seemed to like him when he's healthy so my guess is that he's safe next year. This might finally be the year the Texans draft a safety within the top three rounds.

Linebacker:
Moving forward: The first thing the Texans need is for DeMeco Ryans to come back with the same mobility he showed before his achilles injury. If he does that, he'll be a nice fit inside in the 3-4. I know that most people believe Brian Cushing will be a good fit as an OLB in the 3-4, but I'm not so sure I agree. Cushing can play the position, but I don't think he has the edge speed that you want from the position. Instead, I think Cushing is better-suited to play the ILB position where he can thump and the Texans can use him as an effective blitzer inside. I'm sure the Texans could still put together packages that allowed him to rush the passer from the OLB spot from time to time if necessary. Sharpton could be in some trouble trying to make it in this defense over the long haul. He doesn't have the size or physicality that most 3-4 defenses want inside and I doubt he can play outside. Diles might be able to compete for a backup role inside. The Texans definitely need to find an OLB with a presence off the edge either in free agency or the draft and it needs to be one of their top priorities.

Kicker:
Moving forward: I'm sure the Texans would like to have a kicker with more leg than Rackers, but the question is whether or not Kubiak will have the stones to rely on a rookie kicker via the late rounds of the draft. My guess is that the Texans will bring in competition for Rackers but they probably won't spend a draft pick on one.

drs23
01-10-2011, 01:34 PM
:bat: Fat? I ain't fat!



http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx307/TexanJB/me23.jpg





Or, I wasn't 30 years ago...

Now that's one handsome sailor JB. Who is it? :chef: :lol:

JB
01-10-2011, 01:59 PM
Now that's one handsome sailor JB. Who is it? :chef: :lol:

Damn if I know! I think that is just one of those standard portraits that come with the frame...

ChampionTexan
01-10-2011, 02:14 PM
Damn if I know! I think that is just one of those standard portraits that come with the frame...

Why does that flag in the background only have 44 stars on it?

JB
01-10-2011, 02:33 PM
Why does that flag in the background only have 44 stars on it?

There were only 44 states at the time...:kitten:

HOU-TEX
01-21-2011, 02:32 PM
The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!

ESAD2-14
01-22-2011, 10:25 AM
The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!

Shaun Rogers
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5508

Haloti Ngata
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7761/career;_ylt=AstfiRrim40PtgcfesqE2CX.uLYF

Casey Hampton
http://sports.yahoo.com
/nfl/players/5466 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5466)

Just comparing the numbers of Rogers to a couple of the better DT, Rogers seems pretty solid, but might be a bit more "long in the tooth" then the other two.

Doppelganger
01-22-2011, 10:42 AM
Shaun Rogers is 31 years old. He could play another 4-5 years. I say, get him then draft a mid round NT(say 4th-5th round) to learn from a wily vet. Within 4 years, the rook will be ready to go.

Corrosion
01-22-2011, 01:57 PM
The Browns are hiring Juaron as their DC, which means they'll likely be switching to a 4-3. Maybe we could send Okoye and somebody else there for Ahtyba Rubin? Or maybe even Shaun Rogers?

I think Rubin's only 24-25 years old and he ended up starting ahead of Rogers. He had a very good year for a NT.

I know Wade has mentioned his NT's didn't have to be huge, which is fine, but I just can't see Mitchell or Cody being as dominant as the 3-4 needs. And, I'm sorry, but I don't see any position where Okoye would fit in. Especially if Mario and Smith are our DE's. Trade him!

I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.

TimeKiller
01-22-2011, 02:35 PM
I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.

Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?

CloakNNNdagger
01-22-2011, 02:52 PM
Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?

I'm not sure that the Texans could have unloaded him, really at any point in time without accepting a nice chunk of $$$. That would have been the smart thing to do early........not taking him at 10 would have been smartest. However, you know, this is a "oil" town...........McNair and company always looking for that "long shot" to come in............though usually looking at just a big hole when it's all said and done.:mcnugget:

burro
01-22-2011, 02:58 PM
Uh.....was Okoye worth keeping around in the 4/3?

This. I would hope we could trade Okoye, but the reality is that there isn't one GM in the league that's going to look at the film on him and pull the trigger on anything more than maybe (MAYBE) a 5th. Okoye's a FA in 2012. Give Wade a year to find something to do with him and then let him find his way to the NFL bargain bin.

Norg
01-22-2011, 03:06 PM
What scares me is wade will try and take our current roster and make it into a 3-4 It doesnot work that way u got to turn over at least forty to fifty percent of or d to bring in wades 3-4 people to have something IMO

CloakNNNdagger
01-22-2011, 03:25 PM
An old article........but applicable.

Rex Ryan monitoring Bills' 3-4 switch (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/10943/rex-ryan-monitoring-bills-3-4-switch)INDIANAPOLIS -- New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan is keeping an eye on the Buffalo Bills' defensive makeover.

The Bills are converting from a 4-3 defense under new head coach Chan Gailey and coordinator George Edwards. That will turn the AFC East into a unanimous 3-4 division.

The Bills ran a Tampa 2 defense under former head coach Dick Jauron and his interim replacement, Perry Fewell.

Ryan, considered one of the finest 3-4 masterminds, noted the transformation can be smooth. "I guess that depends on 'Are you changing coverages or is it just the front you are changing?'" Ryan said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine in Lucas Oil Stadium. "There are several different versions of a 3-4. But it depends on your style.

"If the coverages are staying the same, it probably is not as big of a change as what you might think."

The problem for Buffalo, however, is that they're missing the centerpiece of a 3-4 defense: a monstrous nose tackle to stuff the run.

"That might be one of the toughest parts of a 3-4," Ryan said.

Ryan went on to explain why.

(Football jargon alert! "Two-gap responsibility" means a defensive lineman is responsible for either opening beside the offensive lineman in front of him. "A-gap" means the area on either side of the center, a location where defensive linemen frequently will get double-teamed by a center and a guard.)

"If you are playing a standard 3-4 defense, then you got a two-gap responsibility, which means you got to be able to play the front-side A-gap and the backside A-gap at the same time," Ryan said.

"You generally need a dominant individual there. And that is what you have like a Kris Jenkins. A Ted Washington many years ago in Buffalo was one of the best two-gappers I have ever seen.

"A guy has to be active, got to be able to stay on his feet, his technique on releasing off of blocks has got to be outstanding. If not, you are really going to struggle at that spot."

The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.

JB
01-22-2011, 04:11 PM
I have to agree with the bold - 0k0ye is best suited as an end in the 3-4 and with MW and AS as the starters he's probably not worth keeping around.

There may be a lot of times when MW is playing one of the OLB spots. Then your ends would be AS and Okoye.

The Pencil Neck
01-22-2011, 06:57 PM
An old article........but applicable.

Rex Ryan monitoring Bills' 3-4 switch (http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/10943/rex-ryan-monitoring-bills-3-4-switch)

The Texans will have to change their coverage.............and they will have to find that "dominant individual" in the middle............or they could look just as "good" as they did in 2010.

Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.

Lucky
01-22-2011, 07:30 PM
Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.
Jay Ratliff is a Pro Bowl player. Maybe Wade was able to "get away with" Ratliff at NT has more to do with Ratliff's ability than size or lack thereof. Ratliffs do not grow on trees. Prior to his stint in Dallas, Wade had a huge NT in Jamal Williams.

Small NTs are the exception rather than the rule in the NFL. The assumption that the Texans will be able to throw anyone at NT and make the defense work is unfounded. Shaun Cody and/or Earl Mitchell are not the likely answer. Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, B.J. Raji, Kris Jenkins. This is what NFL NTs generally look like.

CloakNNNdagger
01-22-2011, 09:11 PM
Wade doesn't run the "standard" 3-4 where the NT has 2-gap responsibility. That's why he was able to get away with smaller NT's like Jay Ratliff.

TPN, I have to agree with Lucky on this one. In a 3-4, even with a "smaller NT" all 3 of the linemen have to be able to "overpower" the opposing OL at one time or another. None of our present DL has shown that ability. Even Mario virtually always take the end around route, seeking the least amount of contact possible. As a DE, that will no longer be his main function. He has not shown us much with power up the middle moves, which he will need to be called to perform with the 3-4.

The Pencil Neck
01-23-2011, 03:20 AM
The quote was about the standard 3-4 and Wade has already stated that he doesn't run the standard 3-4. He's already said in interviews that he's not asking his linemen to do the standard 3-4 stand-the-guy-up and hold-down-2-gap philosophy. He's already said that's why he was successful with Bruce Smith as a 3-4 DE and why he was successful with Jay Ratliff as an NT.

Therefore, the quote doesn't really matter. It's not about what our defense is supposed to be, what Wade has said our defense is going to be.

With that said, that doesn't mean that our NT is on the team, yet, and it doesn't mean that there aren't going to be major shakeups in our front 7. But Wade might well be looking for another Ed Jasper (6-2 293).

steelbtexan
01-23-2011, 09:32 AM
With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.

beerlover
01-23-2011, 11:23 AM
With Ratliff at NT the Cowgirls defense stunk last yr. They gave up a franchise record in points allowed I think.

So while Ratliff is a good player. He's a stop gap guy until they find somebody better. Granted the Cowgirls secondary as well as the LB's left alot to be desired. But the DL was also a large part of the blame and Ratliff has to be included in its failure.

Phillips is just telling BoB what he wants to hear.

The Texans need to sign a big old nasty DT in FA or bring a guy like Rodgers home. Then draft a guy like Ellis/Taylor/Fua in the 2/3rd rd. If they want to have a successful transition to the 3-4.

this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....

steelbtexan
01-23-2011, 01:23 PM
this is a concern for me, Dallas needs to address NT position here too & they are selecting two spots ahead of Texans. Washington Redskins are just ahead of Texans in the 2nd (probbably ship Haynesworth out) will be looking hard @ a space eating NT here as well....

Yep


That's why if the Texans are serious they have to get a NT before the 3rd rd.

Either by trading down for an extra 2nd rd pick. Or into the bottom of the 2nd rd.

The Parkers (Wr/DT) and the Carters (NT/OLB) are guys that really impressed me yesterday at the East/West game and probably could be had in rd 4/5.

Texanmike02
01-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Thanks to the clutch win against the Jags, there is no way the Texans land Fairley.




Whether you like Kubes or not you should be glad that the Jags win saved his job. Had we not won that game Wade Phillips might very well be our HC.

Mike

gary
01-23-2011, 01:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRX4mlFi06A

Shaft75
01-25-2011, 12:22 AM
Can we keep this thread going? If Rick ever googles "Texans offseason needs" I want this thread to pop up.

Because we NEED a big boy in the middle!!!! One of those guys that you have to check his hotel room the night before that game to confiscate the fried chicken and candy bars. Also, we need the big boy that comes into training camp overweight, but he still dominates. We NEED that guy!

cjaze1
01-26-2011, 08:07 AM
There was some conversation on here about a big two-gapper out of Bethel University-Leslie Jasper. Rumor has it he is training hard in Jackson TN and that a lot of scouts/teams are excited about this "blue light special" (aka small school sleeper)! Sources say he is a "phenom" and a "freak of nature" huge, fast, strong, athletic, and quick at 399! Look for some training video on utube in the next few weeks. Heard he worked out for CFL over the holidays and totally dominated the D-1 players!

El Tejano
01-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Can we keep this thread going? If Rick ever googles "Texans offseason needs" I want this thread to pop up.

Because we NEED a big boy in the middle!!!! One of those guys that you have to check his hotel room the night before that game to confiscate the fried chicken and candy bars. Also, we need the big boy that comes into training camp overweight, but he still dominates. We NEED that guy!

Albert Haynesworth?

rmartin65
01-26-2011, 04:57 PM
There was some conversation on here about a big two-gapper out of Bethel University-Leslie Jasper. Rumor has it he is training hard in Jackson TN and that a lot of scouts/teams are excited about this "blue light special" (aka small school sleeper)! Sources say he is a "phenom" and a "freak of nature" huge, fast, strong, athletic, and quick at 399! Look for some training video on utube in the next few weeks. Heard he worked out for CFL over the holidays and totally dominated the D-1 players!

Michael Jasper from Bethel (TN) has been on my radar since last year. Big guy (6'5" 390 - 400 lbs). I dont know a lot about him, which is odd because I try my best to get info on small school players. I watched about a game and a half of his junior season at DL, but was not able to watch any of this past season at OL (according to the roster). Right now I have him as my number 5 small school DT after Kenrick Ellis (3-4), Cedric Thornton (4-3), Martin Parker (4-3), and Frank Kearse (4-3/3-4). If you have any information that I could use, I would greatly appreciate it.

HOU-TEX
01-26-2011, 05:14 PM
I can't find diddly on this Leslie Jasper guy. What I did find mentioned him coming out last year. :shrug:

rmartin65
01-26-2011, 05:24 PM
I can't find diddly on this Leslie Jasper guy. What I did find mentioned him coming out last year. :shrug:

He was on the Bethle (TN) roster for the '10/'11 season, but again, I was unable to find any video on him for the season, and did not have much on him from his Junior year.

http://www.bethelathletics.com/roster/8/12.php Link to the roster (he is number 68).

Supposedly working out at a speed camp, but the URL says its from 09. I am very confused. this a picture that comes up for him

http://www.40speed.com/image/Scenes2009/michael_Jasper.2009...2.jpg

Looks like a lot of muscle, but I am not buying the 400 lb.

And since we are talking about him, might as well give you guys my notes...

HUGE! very strong... better acceleration than I expect out of a guy that size... limited lateral agility. Good hand technique... Want to see him against D1 caliber players. Projected draft- Priority Free Agent. Chance to get drafted with strong draft season showing.

HOU-TEX
01-26-2011, 05:38 PM
He was on the Bethle (TN) roster for the '10/'11 season, but again, I was unable to find any video on him for the season, and did not have much on him from his Junior year.

http://www.bethelathletics.com/roster/8/12.php Link to the roster (he is number 68).

Supposedly working out at a speed camp, but the URL says its from 09. I am very confused. this a picture that comes up for him

http://www.40speed.com/image/Scenes2009/michael_Jasper.2009...2.jpg

Looks like a lot of muscle, but I am not buying the 400 lb.

And since we are talking about him, might as well give you guys my notes...

HUGE! very strong... better acceleration than I expect out of a guy that size... limited lateral agility. Good hand technique... Want to see him against D1 caliber players. Projected draft- Priority Free Agent. Chance to get drafted with strong draft season showing.

They guy he mentioned was Leslie Jasper, a DT. Michael Jasper's a G.

These links mention him, but for the 2010 draft.

http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/2-2010-small-school-preview-defense

http://www.collegefanz.com/blogs/naia-news/2009/08/18/naia-pro-hopefuls-four-transfers-lindenwood-mo-highlight-list

http://www.draftdaddy.com/ranks/smallschool_DL.htm

I think the first time poster is trying to pimp out his boy. Or he is Jasper.

rmartin65
01-26-2011, 05:41 PM
They guy he mentioned was Leslie Jasper, a DT. Michael Jasper's a G.

These links mention him, but for the 2010 draft.

http://www.jbscouting.com/index.php/blog/2-2010-small-school-preview-defense

http://www.collegefanz.com/blogs/naia-news/2009/08/18/naia-pro-hopefuls-four-transfers-lindenwood-mo-highlight-list

http://www.draftdaddy.com/ranks/smallschool_DL.htm

I think the first time poster is trying to pimp out his boy. Or he is Jasper.

I think they are the same player though. Both 6'5". around 400 lbs. Both at Bethel. And the roster has Michael Jasper as an OL (as does nfldraftscout) for 10/11, but DL for 09/10. If it is the player I am thinking of, he should be a NT in the pros. If not, my bad guys.

EDIT: I think you are right on the guy knowing Jasper. Hopefully he is not like newtexan.

JB
01-26-2011, 06:50 PM
There was some conversation on here about a big two-gapper out of Bethel University-Leslie Jasper. Rumor has it he is training hard in Jackson TN and that a lot of scouts/teams are excited about this "blue light special" (aka small school sleeper)! Sources say he is a "phenom" and a "freak of nature" huge, fast, strong, athletic, and quick at 399! Look for some training video on utube in the next few weeks. Heard he worked out for CFL over the holidays and totally dominated the D-1 players!

Strange... I did a search and this is the first mention of Leslie Jasper anywhere on this board. :thinking:

CloakNNNdagger
01-26-2011, 09:41 PM
He was on the Bethle (TN) roster for the '10/'11 season, but again, I was unable to find any video on him for the season, and did not have much on him from his Junior year.

http://www.bethelathletics.com/roster/8/12.php Link to the roster (he is number 68).

Supposedly working out at a speed camp, but the URL says its from 09. I am very confused. this a picture that comes up for him

http://www.40speed.com/image/Scenes2009/michael_Jasper.2009...2.jpg

Looks like a lot of muscle, but I am not buying the 400 lb.

And since we are talking about him, might as well give you guys my notes...

HUGE! very strong... better acceleration than I expect out of a guy that size... limited lateral agility. Good hand technique... Want to see him against D1 caliber players. Projected draft- Priority Free Agent. Chance to get drafted with strong draft season showing.


Small corrections. The school is actually Bethel University and he is #99 at the time the photo was shot..

rmartin65
01-26-2011, 09:47 PM
Small corrections. The school is actually Bethel University and he is #99 at the time the photo was shot..

Thanks, just a typo on my part.

And yep, if the photo was in 09 then he would be #99.

mancunian
01-31-2011, 02:56 PM
Yeah, and at San Diego, he had 348 lb. (cough, cough) Jamal Williams.

Both Ratliff and Williams are/were pro-bowlers, so it will be interesting to see what we end up with. It's kind of nice to know that there's not just one kind of guy who can fit Wade's defense at that position.

Williams missed of the season - Antonio Garay manned the spot for the chargers

ChampionTexan
01-31-2011, 03:35 PM
Williams missed of the season - Antonio Garay manned the spot for the chargers

Williams started sixteen games for the Broncos in 2010, but I was actually referring to the time he was playing under Phillips as DC (Two of three years Pro Bowl, and two of three years first team All Pro).

mancunian
01-31-2011, 03:43 PM
Man have I missed a season somewhere..... just checked his stats http://www.nfl.com/players/jamalwilliams/profile?id=WIL328754

Was 2009 when he played only 1 game.

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 09:15 AM
What would yuou like to know? Check Solus Performance Training's FB page. Thye have Combine training video posted that has Mike Jasper working out. He's the BIG guy! Explosive!

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 09:17 AM
AKA Michael Jasper

rmartin65
02-03-2011, 09:19 AM
What would yuou like to know? Check Solus Performance Training's FB page. Thye have Combine training video posted that has Mike Jasper working out. He's the BIG guy! Explosive!

Anything you have on the guy would be appreciated. Anything at all.

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 09:19 AM
Leslie Michael Jasper-full name. Played DT one year at Bethel U. Then moved to Offense per request of some pro scouts who wanted to evaluate him there.

rmartin65
02-03-2011, 09:23 AM
Leslie Michael Jasper-full name. Played DT one year at Bethel U. Then moved to Offense per request of some pro scouts who wanted to evaluate him there.

So that explains the switch of positions. What is the buzz surrounding his pro position? I personally have him down as a NT, but then again I am not a pro scout.

Do you have any numbers for me, such as 40 time, bench reps, shuttle? Any teams seem particularly interested in him?

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 09:27 AM
No pimpin here :) This cat is the real deal!

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 10:48 AM
Don't have his times yet, but Bills, Steelers, Broncos are showing strong interest. Jets as well. Will post some pics I found later. I'm behind a fire wall right now. :)

JB
02-03-2011, 10:51 AM
Scouts, Inc. has him as the 101st rated DT.

rmartin65
02-03-2011, 11:13 AM
Scouts, Inc. has him as the 101st rated DT.

Meh, he is better than that. Certainly not draft worthy, but worth a look from 3-4 teams after the draft. Big guy, better athleticism than expected.

Scouts probably lost track a bit after he played OL this past season.

JB
02-03-2011, 12:07 PM
Meh, he is better than that. Certainly not draft worthy, but worth a look from 3-4 teams after the draft. Big guy, better athleticism than expected.

Scouts probably lost track a bit after he played OL this past season.

Probably. I want to see what the others have to say about him.

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Ok-This is what I found out on Jasper:
40 reps at 225
5.3 40 yrd time
1.73 in 10 yd
9ft broad jump
31 inch vertical
4.81 Shuttle
8.2 L-Drill

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 04:54 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1465580443872&set=t.184100683

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 04:58 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1465600644377&set=t.184100683

cjaze1
02-03-2011, 06:40 PM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=516019451755
Try this link for video of Michael Jasper training. He's the big guy with the t shirt with number 92

rmartin65
02-03-2011, 07:56 PM
Ok-This is what I found out on Jasper:
40 reps at 225
5.3 40 yrd time
1.73 in 10 yd
9ft broad jump
31 inch vertical
4.81 Shuttle
8.2 L-Drill

Thanks. Matches my notes from a year ago, faster than I anticipated. I wont change him on my board until I see official pro day numbers, but this looks promising.

Compare his numbers to the DTs last year:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/combine/dt.html

Notables:

Mt. Cody
5.64 40
20.5 vert
7'6" broad

Suh
4.98 40
35.5 vert
32 reps

CloakNNNdagger
02-04-2011, 08:25 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=516019451755
Try this link for video of Michael Jasper training. He's the big guy with the t shirt with number 92


Big and scarey enough to at least put out in a field to run off the crows.:chef:

cjaze1
03-31-2011, 03:49 PM
New posted info on Michael Jasper

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyWFh3Lp5u8

www.lesliemikejaspernfl.com

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/leslie-michael-jasper/

El Tejano
03-31-2011, 04:18 PM
What about this Tyron White guy from UNC Central? Dude's like 303 lbs and ran a 4.92 40.

HOU-TEX
03-31-2011, 06:01 PM
New posted info on Michael Jasper

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyWFh3Lp5u8

www.lesliemikejaspernfl.com

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/leslie-michael-jasper/

Man, you're on a mission aren't you

I reckon we could find you on 31 other boards providing the same info, no?

rmartin65
03-31-2011, 07:22 PM
New posted info on Michael Jasper

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyWFh3Lp5u8

www.lesliemikejaspernfl.com

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/search/leslie-michael-jasper/

One of your sites says he had his pro day over a week ago, yet I cant find any numbers? Do you have them by any chance? I like the guy's size, but some small school DTs are looking very good in the draft season, and Jasper is sliding down my board.

What about this Tyron Smith guy from UNC Central? Dude's like 303 lbs and ran a 4.92 40.

Solid player. Athletic as hell, but I dont see him as a nose, more of a traditional 4-3 DT. And probably could be had as a UDFA.

CloakNNNdagger
03-31-2011, 11:14 PM
One of your sites says he had his pro day over a week ago, yet I cant find any numbers? Do you have them by any chance? I like the guy's size, but some small school DTs are looking very good in the draft season, and Jasper is sliding down my board.




Solid player. Athletic as hell, but I dont see him as a nose, more of a traditional 4-3 DT. And probably could be had as a UDFA.

One additional stat:

Some outrageous pro day results so far.. (http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=401292)
3/18/2011 3:04 pm

Baldwin Wallace DE/OLB Keith Darbut ran a sub 4.4; 37" vertical and 26 reps at 6-4/229. Report says he's up to 240 now.

Blake Sumner, NT, Colorado Mines did has been reported doing 49, 50 and 52 reps at 6-2/330. Teammate Marc Scheichl?, 6-3/250 DE/OLB ran a 4.65 and put up 38 reps plus a 10'8" broad jump and a 35" vertical.

Grand Valley State T/G Cameron Bradfield clocked a 4.8 40 and did 30 reps at 6-4/300.

Stephen Burton, WR, West Texas ran a 4.3 at 6-1/224.

Bethel Tenn. lineman Mike Jasper had a 33" vertical at 6-5/395. He reminds me of the guy who was doing back flips a few years ago but more polished.

Texan_Bill
03-31-2011, 11:18 PM
I swear to CHRIST Almighty, that *EDIT NEVERMIND*

El Tejano
04-01-2011, 08:50 AM
What about this Tyron White guy from UNC Central? Dude's like 303 lbs and ran a 4.92 40.

I originally posted this dudes name as Tyron Smith. It' Tyron White. I edited it. Just keeping proper names on here to avoid the confusion.

rmartin65
04-01-2011, 10:05 AM
I originally posted this dudes name as Tyron Smith. It' Tyron White. I edited it. Just keeping proper names on here to avoid the confusion.

Yeah, I realized it from the college. Good thinking though.

CloakNNNdagger
04-15-2011, 09:13 PM
Here's a log splitter the Texans should give a look, at least for the 2nd round pick...........a Curly Culp type...........combine record of 49 reps of 225 pounds!!!!!

Stephen Paea, Oregon NT..............read his profile (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620490)............seems like Wade could definitely live with someone like him in the middle. If not, we may soon be facing him in a Colts uni.

The Pencil Neck
04-16-2011, 02:28 PM
Here's a log splitter the Texans should give a look, at least for the 2nd round pick...........a Curly Culp type...........combine record of 49 reps of 225 pounds!!!!!

Stephen Paea, Oregon NT..............read his profile (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620490)............seems like Wade could definitely live with someone like him in the middle. If not, we may soon be facing him in a Colts uni.

Paea is really popular on this board. In our mock, we had him going in the first round and iirc, on the Texan's Talk Big Board he was in the top 32. But he's got a history of injury that scares a lot of people and a lot of other places have him as a solid 2nd round pick.

A lot of mocks have him gone by our second round pick. It's going to be interesting to see where he falls.

CloakNNNdagger
04-16-2011, 02:55 PM
Paea is really popular on this board. In our mock, we had him going in the first round and iirc, on the Texan's Talk Big Board he was in the top 32. But he's got a history of injury that scares a lot of people and a lot of other places have him as a solid 2nd round pick.

A lot of mocks have him gone by our second round pick. It's going to be interesting to see where he falls.

The fact that his injury was a lateral meniscus tear (much less likely to be reinjured than medial meniscus) which was surgically REPAIRED should allow him back to regular activity by 6 weeks postop, with plenty of time to build strength before OTA's, if they are held.

Shaft75
05-12-2014, 01:21 AM
Friday night, I saw CHI grab Sutton off the board and I thought we gotta come up and get HIM. HIM being that guy that we've needed for years, a big, fatass, space eating, gap plugging, triple whopper eating massive defensive tackle.

All of the sudden, they announce that Philly was trading out of that spot. I called it this time though, after being let down time after time after time. We finally traded up to get our big boy and the best one in the draft.

THANK YOU BOB!

I/we have been waiting for our big body NT for waaaaaaaaay too long!

Nix, don't eff this up! Your pick seriously seemed like divine intervention was taking place!