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ThaShark316
01-04-2011, 05:53 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports&id=7879396

Hervoyel
01-04-2011, 05:56 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/sports&id=7879396

:spit:

MojoMan
01-04-2011, 05:56 PM
Apparently no word on whether the Texans will stay with the 4-3, or change over to a 3-4.

Texan4Ever
01-04-2011, 05:56 PM
The Texans are soooo stupid in this regard, they made it so obvious who they wanted as a DC and yet they said they would actually search for a candidate.

Why all the BS?

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 05:57 PM
The entire length of the interviewhttp://simple.be/mac/key/rightarrow.png :handshake:

TexanSam
01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Well hopefully he has the success he here as DC as he did in his previous stops. He's not a good head coach but he's a very good coordinator.

DerekLee1
01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
Smells of a McNair hire, as opposed to a Kubiak hire.

Thorn
01-04-2011, 05:59 PM
don't be fooled. They were talking to Wade for a few weeks now. This isn't that sudden of a decision on their part. Hopefully Wade does his thing here and fixes our defense. I'm rather tired of the same ole same ole every year.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2011, 06:00 PM
At least they took their time in the search. :kitten:

DonnyMost
01-04-2011, 06:00 PM
I can hardly contain myself.

HOU-TEX
01-04-2011, 06:01 PM
Smells of a McNair hire, as opposed to a Kubiak hire.

I'm sure it was. If it were up to Kubiak, he'd have his son in for an interview.

Ole Miss Texan
01-04-2011, 06:02 PM
I hope his sister calls into 610 near draft time and says the Texans are NOT going to trade up for Patrick Peterson... :texanbill:

mussop
01-04-2011, 06:02 PM
The Texans are soooo stupid in this regard, they made it so obvious who they wanted as a DC and yet they said they would actually search for a candidate.

Why all the BS?

Hasn't that been there MO from the beginning?

Texan4Ever
01-04-2011, 06:03 PM
The entire length of the interviewhttp://simple.be/mac/key/rightarrow.png :handshake:

LMAO! So true, bet Gary Kubiak is doing this with Wade ---> :whip: :texanbill: :breakdance: While Texan fans (or just me) feel like this: :gun:

TEXANS84
01-04-2011, 06:04 PM
We are so going to kill em' with kindness next year, you have no idea....

SAMURAITEXAN
01-04-2011, 06:04 PM
OK. It is official. Now to other D coaches.

Go Texans!!!

ThaShark316
01-04-2011, 06:05 PM
Smells of a McNair hire, as opposed to a Kubiak hire.

Which is why I stand by my "kubiak's job was threatened" comment.

wagonhed
01-04-2011, 06:05 PM
The Texans are soooo stupid in this regard, they made it so obvious who they wanted as a DC and yet they said they would actually search for a candidate.

Why all the BS?

I don't get it either. I'm sure there is some kind of bullshit reason having to do with marketing or business.

DerekLee1
01-04-2011, 06:05 PM
I'm sure it was. If it were up to Kubiak, he'd have his son in for an interview.

Wade and John Fox were probably the best available DC's with Marv Lewis and JDR keeping their jobs. You might throw Mike Nolan in there, too, but even so, you're getting a top 3 available guy.

For those that wanted Singletary, remember - he's never called a defense. McNair wanted proven experience, and he got that. I'm not elated that Kubiak is still here, but I can at least see McNair's thinking here. Once it settles in, I'll get behind it more.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 06:07 PM
Wade and John Fox were probably the best available DC's with Marv Lewis keeping his job. You might throw Mike Nolan in there, too, but even so, you're getting a top 3 available guy.

For those that wanted Singletary, remember - he's never called a defense. McNair wanted proven experience, and he got that. I'm not elated that Kubiak is still here, but I can at least see McNair's thinking here. Once it settles in, I'll get behind it more.

I never wanted Singletary. That guy is a clown.

wagonhed
01-04-2011, 06:07 PM
8-8 here we come.

DerekLee1
01-04-2011, 06:08 PM
I never wanted Singletary. That guy is a clown.

What about as a position coach?

Nawzer
01-04-2011, 06:08 PM
I don't think most people have a problem with Wade Phillips as a DC. He has a proven track record of having very good defenses. The problem obviously is with Gary Kubiak as the head coach of the Texans. I think Phillips has a hell of a job ahead of him and I hope he can turn this historically bad defense into something respectable. Goodluck to him.

DerekLee1
01-04-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't think most people have a problem with Wade Phillips as a DC. He has a proven track record of having very good defenses. The problem obviously is with Gary Kubiak as the head coach of the Texans. I think Phillips has a hell of a job ahead of him and I hope he can turn this historically bad defense into something respectable. Goodluck to him.

My favorite stat is that in his first year as DC for each team, he's gone to the playoffs at every stop. Let's keep that streak alive

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 06:10 PM
What about as a position coach?

I'd take him as a position coach, because I think he can coach LBers, but I don't want him calling plays at all.

dalemurphy
01-04-2011, 06:10 PM
8-8 here we come.

So you're saying we just got 2 games better...? awesome!

False Start
01-04-2011, 06:11 PM
Good news. With what was out there, I think we got the best guy. :texflag:

Wolf
01-04-2011, 06:12 PM
I don't think most people have a problem with Wade Phillips as a DC. He has a proven track record of having very good defenses. The problem obviously is with Gary Kubiak as the head coach of the Texans. I think Phillips has a hell of a job ahead of him and I hope he can turn this historically bad defense into something respectable. Goodluck to him.

exactly

Hookem Horns
01-04-2011, 06:13 PM
This reminds me of 1993 (except Pardee had made the playoffs for several straight seasons). I wonder if Wade is going to punch Kubiak at some point during the season.

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Good news. With what was out there, I think we got the best guy. :texflag:

I never really had a problem with hiring Phillips.....and I do like how McNair realized that with how bad our defense was that it doesn't really matter if we scrap the whole 4-3 and go for a 3-4. When your defense is as bad as our was, it's a rebuild job either way. There's no where to go, but up on that side of the ball.

Now I'm curious to see who our secondary coach is going to be, because that might be the most important hire we make this offseason.

dickieb
01-04-2011, 06:16 PM
John McClain said on his twitter that the report is false. That Wade has strongly denied it saying he hasn't even interviewed yet. His interview is tomorrow and he has only talked with Kubiak once.

DonnyMost
01-04-2011, 06:16 PM
bob mcnair's plan for 2011:

hire phillips

win 8 games

declare success

eat glazed unicorn for dinner with golden utensils off the ass of a brazilian hooker

Wolf
01-04-2011, 06:17 PM
I can't wait until we get to watch some Bang Cartoons now

Those cracked me up when they had Jerry Jones and Wade on there

http://bangcartoon.com/

Hopefully we will be winning (which will make me laugh) if we are losing, I probably will be :pissed: about the cartoons

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 06:17 PM
John McClain said on his twitter that the report is false. That Wade has strongly denied it saying he hasn't even interviewed yet. His interview is tomorrow and he has only talked with Kubiak once.

Bob Allen said it's not official yet, but it will happen....he said they'll make it official very soon, most likely tomorrow, but the guy has the job and is going to be here.

J_R
01-04-2011, 06:19 PM
I never really had a problem with hiring Phillips.....and I do like how McNair realized that with how bad our defense was that it doesn't really matter if we scrap the whole 4-3 and go for a 3-4. When your defense is as bad as our was, it's a rebuild job either way. There's no where to go, but up on that side of the ball.

Now I'm curious to see who our secondary coach is going to be, because that might be the most important hire we make this offseason.

Brian Stewart would be my guess

mussop
01-04-2011, 06:20 PM
This is the greatest day this franchises history! I cant believe I didnt see this coming! :whip:

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2011, 06:21 PM
I wonder what you could get for Mario ?

DonnyMost
01-04-2011, 06:22 PM
Are we going to get the guys from The Ticket in Dallas to come do their Wade impersonations on Monday morning?

Dutchrudder
01-04-2011, 06:23 PM
Damnit, I was hoping it was someone else so GP would have to make more movie posters...

MojoMan
01-04-2011, 06:23 PM
John McClain published the following article on Chron.com about 10 minutes ago (5:12 PM):

Wade Phillips to interview with Texans on Wednesday (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7365774.html)

Wade Phillips is coming to Houston to interview with coach Gary Kubiak on Wednesday, but he denied a report that he's already accepted the job.

Phillips is the leading candidate to replace the fired Frank Bush.

"That's not true," Phillips said today. "I haven't even interviewed for the job. I talked to Gary today, but I haven't been offered the job. We're going to talk (Wednesday)."

mussop
01-04-2011, 06:25 PM
I can't wait until we get to watch some Bang Cartoons now

Those cracked me up when they had Jerry Jones and Wade on there

http://bangcartoon.com/

Hopefully we will be winning (which will make me laugh) if we are losing, I probably will be :pissed: about the cartoons

Hey I clicked that link and it took me to a Hentia Porn site. WTF!!!!!! :aggressive:











:whip:J/K :whip:

TEXANS84
01-04-2011, 06:27 PM
myfoxhouston.com is reporting that the hiring is not true, and that Phillips does not want to lose a job when a report is saying he was hired.

mussop
01-04-2011, 06:29 PM
This reminds me of 1993 (except Pardee had made the playoffs for several straight seasons). I wonder if Wade is going to punch Kubiak at some point during the season.

We can only hope! :whip:

Ole Miss Texan
01-04-2011, 06:32 PM
From the OP's link to abc:
Eyewitness Sports Director Bob Allen spoke with Phillips by phone earlier today. The official announcement could come as early as tomorrow.

We're gathering more details on this story and will post them as we get them.

Looks like it was just updated about 5 minutes ago and this stuck out. I'm pretty sure when I first read it they stated that Phillips confirmed it was true to Allen. Now they edited it and I think added the last sentence there, "we're gathering more details..."

LOL - Did anybody else read/see that???

Fox
01-04-2011, 06:32 PM
Like most fans, if I had my druthers we'd be courting Cowher, Gruden, etc. and Kubiak would be on a flight up to Denver right now; but considering the circumstances I'm actually pretty happy with this hire. Phillips has been a damn good DC for some time, and will be the first good DC we've had officially in that capacity since the inception of the franchise. From the sounds of the quotes, Kubiak is turning over the keys to the jalopy that is our defense and letting him call the shots - sounds good to me. Perhaps Wade can give Rick some tips on how to find a player as well. I'm intrigued about whether we stay with a 4-3, a hybrid, or convert to a 3-4. I think seeing our defense convert into a 3-4 would be pretty interesting, as far as who lines up where. Barwin was projected to be a shoe-in as an OLB in a 3-4....


Now I'm curious to see who our secondary coach is going to be, because that might be the most important hire we make this offseason.

Agreed. KJ is going to need a lot of help to make his way to decent.

AnthonyE
01-04-2011, 06:32 PM
If its a done deal, we have no choice but to move on.

Excited to see what he does with this defense.

Actually, anything new is exciting.

Brisco_County
01-04-2011, 06:46 PM
I like this. Wade is a good DC, and this is a good way to shake up the defense.

rmartin65
01-04-2011, 06:50 PM
Any news on what scheme the Texans will be running? I have been holding off putting out my new Texans mock because I need to know 4-3 or 3-4.

Nawzer
01-04-2011, 06:57 PM
They have to interview more than one guy for the position. I think at the end of the day its Wade's job to loose, but I wonder who else they could be considering for the position.

J_R
01-04-2011, 06:57 PM
myfoxhouston.com is reporting that the hiring is not true, and that Phillips does not want to lose a job when a report is saying he was hired.


HOUSTON - Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips denied a report Tuesday that he will be named the next defensive coordinator of the Houston Texans.

"I have not been offered the job and I don't want to lose a job because of a report that's not true," said Phillips in an interview with FOX 26 Sports.

"That report is wrong. I just spoke with (Texans head coach) Gary (Kubiak) for the first time (Tuesday)."

Phillips acknowledged that he will meet with Texans officials Wednesday and will interview for the position.

"I'm coming to town," Phillips said. "I'm interested and I need a job."

"It could happen. Everyone can see it. It might be a good fit, but nothing has happened yet.

The Texans fired defensive coordinator Frank Bush.

Both Texans owner Bob McNair and head coach Gary Kubiak have acknowledged that Phillips is a candidate for the job.

FOX 26 Sports asked McNair Monday if he considers Phillips the leading candidate for the job.

"Well there's certainly no one better qualified out there right now," McNair said. "We are going to talk to anyone that we think is a highly qualified person, but I don't know of anybody right now that's better qualified."

"He is defensive-minded and Gary is offensive-minded and that's the kind of combination you need.

"So we're going to talk to him and see how well he likes us and whether he likes our philosophy and the way we do things and we'll see how it goes, but we're certainly interested in him


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/110104-phillips-to-interview-with-texans,-no-job-offer-yet

You're right Wade, everyone can see it. Now just tell Bob to hire you already and get it over with.

TEXANRED
01-04-2011, 06:58 PM
I am a big fan of this hire.

Wade Phillips is a proven defensive coach with a long list of winning.

The only noise I am hearing are coming from crygirl fans who's pee pee's are hurt cus Jerry Jones sunk their team and blamed it on Wade.

Lets go Texans!

House of Pain
01-04-2011, 07:00 PM
I guess we will know if Wade really has control of the defensive draft if the Texans draft another TE and try to convert him to NT.

J_R
01-04-2011, 07:04 PM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.

Wolf
01-04-2011, 07:11 PM
at least they are trying

False Start
01-04-2011, 07:13 PM
I never really had a problem with hiring Phillips.....and I do like how McNair realized that with how bad our defense was that it doesn't really matter if we scrap the whole 4-3 and go for a 3-4. When your defense is as bad as our was, it's a rebuild job either way. There's no where to go, but up on that side of the ball.

Now I'm curious to see who our secondary coach is going to be, because that might be the most important hire we make this offseason.

Agreeed. This will be interesting to watch.

A top notch DB coach is needed. I don't want them to make one big hire, then crap out on all the other vacant coaching positions. Its time to go balls to the wall, that includes free agency too.

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:18 PM
Which is why I stand by my "kubiak's job was threatened" comment.

You think bob brought the hammer down on Gary?

gtexan02
01-04-2011, 07:18 PM
wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:21 PM
wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes

Good point.

TheMatrix31
01-04-2011, 07:26 PM
How many times does a team bring in a DC replacement midseason from outside of the team? That just doesn't happen. Don't know why anyone would expect that.


Given the circumstances, hiring Phillips is a really good move. Let's hope it gets done.

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:28 PM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.

Damn. I'm surprised at this. It almost sounds like Gary is thinking of high profile people. It almost makes me believe that Bob did issue an ultimatium (though I'm not fully convinced).

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:30 PM
How many times does a team bring in a DC replacement midseason from outside of the team? That just doesn't happen. Don't know why anyone would expect that.


Given the circumstances, hiring Phillips is a really good move. Let's hope it gets done.

Lol. Just like the "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season" myth went out the window this year, huh?

dalemurphy
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes

Even if that would've provided good results, which I doubt. Those kinds of moves alienate only make your organization less desirable to coaches. One of the selling points this organization has (since it doesn't have tradition, winning history, or a nice city to live in... sorry) is the attractiveness of working for someone that gives coaches room to operate and treats them with respect.

eriadoc
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
Well hopefully he has the success he here as DC as he did in his previous stops. He's not a good head coach but he's a very good coordinator.

I think most people would agree with you, but since his career W-L record as a head coach is 82-61, what does that make Kubiak?

8-8 here we come.

Optimistic, aren't you? :D

TheMatrix31
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
Not even close to the same thing, lol. Which dude said that? That happens with regularity.

That comparison would make sense if it was going to be "fired their head coach then brought in someone from outside of the organization midseason", because that NEVER happens.

JB
01-04-2011, 07:34 PM
Lol. Just like the "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season" myth went out the window this year, huh?

Name the last DC brought in mid season to replace a fired DC.

ChampionTexan
01-04-2011, 07:34 PM
Lol. Just like the "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season" myth went out the window this year, huh?

It might have been said in reference to McNair specifically, but I challenge you to find me a single reference on this board that says "teams never fire an NFL coach during the season"

dalemurphy
01-04-2011, 07:34 PM
Damn. I'm surprised at this. It almost sounds like Gary is thinking of high profile people. It almost makes me believe that Bob did issue an ultimatium (though I'm not fully convinced).

I'm pretty sure he did. I think there has been a restructuring of power in the organization. Perhaps it is only an assumption I'm making because it's logical... But, it seemed to me there were a number of clues in the Kubiak presser yesterday as well as some of the McNair interviews the past few days that things have changed in regards to the hierarchy of power.

gary
01-04-2011, 07:36 PM
Anyone else believe Kubiak should call the plays next season on offence? Sorry, this is offtopic.

Wolf
01-04-2011, 07:37 PM
my impression of the press conference was that Bob did drop the hammer on him.. Gary talking about how lucky he still has a job and he has to evaluate himself too. then Gary said they are looking at a big name coordinator that had head coaching experience to help get this right and that the new DC would get all the tools he needed to succeed.

(well yall heard or read about it)

It made me think that Bob might had looked around the league saw how Denver and Dallas did things and fired their coaches and had a backup plan.. Where Houston was stuck, no one on the staff is experienced if a midseason firing was to be done

Double Barrel
01-04-2011, 07:38 PM
Y'all can assume power structures all you want, but this franchise is like the CIA with the way that they keep all insider details so secretive.

Logic fails when trying to figure it out, as logic dictates firing a 37-43 coach after five seasons. 80 games is more than enough to evaluate a head coach for 31 other owners, but ours has undying loyalty to his good buddy. And because of that, I would be shocked if Kubiak has lost any of his head coaching duties or power. That would actually require backbone by McNair, something he seems to be lacking these days with regards to running the football operations of his marketing company.

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:41 PM
I'm pretty sure he did. I think there has been a restructuring of power in the organization. Perhaps it is only an assumption I'm making because it's logical... But, it seemed to me there were a number of clues in the Kubiak presser yesterday as well as some of the McNair interviews the past few days that things have changed in regards to the hierarchy of power.

I'm going to have to watch the presser to see. My firm belief is that Kubiak will be this teams permanent coach, regardless of future performance.

Bob likes the guy too much to ever fire him. Bad records will be explained away. And yes, I'm 100 percent serious.

CloakNNNdagger
01-04-2011, 07:42 PM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.

My guess is that it was probably known through the "underground" that Lewis wouldn't be available. Nice facade. Just as believeable as Wade not already having been offered and having excepted the job by the time the Lewis call was ever placed. I hate to think that this is the type of smoke and mirrors we can expect in this new "hope and change" Texans era.:kitten::kitten:

J_R
01-04-2011, 07:47 PM
My guess is that it was probably known through the "underground" that Lewis wouldn't be available. Nice facade. Just as believeable as Wade not already having been offered and having excepted the job by the time the Lewis call was ever placed. I hate to think that this is the type of smoke and mirrors we can expect in this new "hope and change" Texans era.:kitten::kitten:

Yeah I dont buy that for one second either. This has been Wade's job for awhile now imo(awhile as in as in the last week when Bum came and spoke)

Lucky
01-04-2011, 07:47 PM
Why all the BS?
"There's a process" - Bob McNair on Inside the Game 1/2/11
Smells of a McNair hire, as opposed to a Kubiak hire.
Both have been total fails in that regard. Push.
8-8 here we come.
So we're on the right track?



eat glazed unicorn
Unicorn is tough as hide. No matter how much glaze you use.

One of the selling points this organization has (since it doesn't have tradition, winning history, or a nice city to live in... sorry) is the attractiveness of working for someone that gives coaches room to operate and treats them with respect.
dale, you've given me a lot of laughs, recently. Kubiak is now known for throwing assistants under the bus to save his skin. They're lucky someone as good as Wade wanted to work here, else Coach Teflon would have had to take a loser like Greg Robinson (as you ridiculously suggested in another thread).

Wolf
01-04-2011, 07:48 PM
I'm going to have to watch the presser to see. My firm belief is that Kubiak will be this teams permanent coach, regardless of future performance.

Bob likes the guy too much to ever fire him. Bad records will be explained away. And yes, I'm 100 percent serious.

:mcnugget:

J_R
01-04-2011, 07:57 PM
Bob(Allen that is):

Wade will formally interview tomorrow. He'll get job after formal interview. Wade wants to return to Houston. Bob/Gary both want him.

And....that was that!

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 07:59 PM
Bob(Allen that is):

Wade will formally interview tomorrow. He'll get job after formal interview. Wade wants to return to Houston. Bob/Gary both want him.

And....that was that!

I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?

Nawzer
01-04-2011, 08:07 PM
I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?

To be fair, who else is going to take this job? I don't think John Fox is looking for a DC job. I think he'll end up as the head coach somewhere soon. And we're not going to get a young up and coming guy because Kubiak said they were going for someone who has experience. That leaves very few options and Wade is a guy with a proven track record in this league. I just wish they would come out and hire him already and be done with this charade.

TheMatrix31
01-04-2011, 08:09 PM
I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?


In this case, there's nothing to get. Wade is a Top 2 defensive coordinator candidate. Marvin Lewis, probably the other one, was spoken to by the team and he ended up re-upping with Cincy.

When you have the opportunity to get such a guy, you get him. No pussyfooting around and risking losing him.

gary
01-04-2011, 08:24 PM
Isn't Wade a proven DC? I don't see what the matter is besides the fact Gary is still the coach.

Thorn
01-04-2011, 08:28 PM
Isn't Wade a proven DC? I don't see what the matter is besides the fact Gary is still the coach.

You see, that's my problem as well. I didn't want Kubiak to return, but since he is, getting Wade in as DC is probably about as good as they'll be able to do. Wade will improve the defense. How much? Who knows, but I'm positive that Wade Phillips will do a much better job as DC than did Frank Bush.

Of course I was also a big Kubiak supporter at one point in time, so what do I know?

gary
01-04-2011, 08:32 PM
You see, that's my problem as well. I didn't want Kubiak to return, but since he is, getting Wade in as DC is probably about as good as they'll be able to do. Wade will improve the defense. How much? Who knows, but I'm positive that Wade Phillips will do a much better job as DC than did Frank Bush.

Of course I was also a big Kubiak supporter at one point in time, so what do I know?The fear is that is the team does not improve overall and Gary is fired then Wade will be promoted to head coach.

Mr. White
01-04-2011, 08:35 PM
In this case, there's nothing to get. Wade is a Top 2 defensive coordinator candidate. Marvin Lewis, probably the other one, was spoken to by the team and he ended up re-upping with Cincy.

When you have the opportunity to get such a guy, you get him. No pussyfooting around and risking losing him.

Agree with this. I may be forgetting someone, but I can't think of another DC out there right now with the track record that Wade has.

Marvin Lewis is out. John Fox may be available, but I doubt he'll want a DC job until he runs out of head coaching options. I honestly can't think of who's left.

I heard Vic Fangio's back on the market. :hides:

Thorn
01-04-2011, 08:37 PM
The fear is that is the team does not improve overall and Gary is fired then Wade will be promoted to head coach.

Well, other than this nightmare, I don't have a problem with Wade coming in. They could do far worse considering the history of this team.

houstonspartan
01-04-2011, 08:40 PM
In this case, there's nothing to get. Wade is a Top 2 defensive coordinator candidate. Marvin Lewis, probably the other one, was spoken to by the team and he ended up re-upping with Cincy.

When you have the opportunity to get such a guy, you get him. No pussyfooting around and risking losing him.

Fair point. I guess if Wade is the only proven, experienced DC out there, you make a move. I guess I'm still doubtful about the Texans making a good hire. They've never done it.

gary
01-04-2011, 08:40 PM
Well, other than this nightmare, I don't have a problem with Wade coming in. They could do far worse considering the history of this team.
Just not for HC though.

b0ng
01-04-2011, 08:40 PM
Well, other than this nightmare, I don't have a problem with Wade coming in. They could do far worse considering the history of this team.

Doesn't Wade Phillips have some crazy stat where he has become an interim HC for every team he has been a DC for?

Carr Bombed
01-04-2011, 08:44 PM
Doesn't Wade Phillips have some crazy stat where he has become an interim HC for every team he has been a DC for?

Yes, because he also has a crazy stat where his teams always make the playoffs the first year he comes on board. Something is going to break through...either Kubiak finally makes the playoffs or Phillips' streak is broken.

HJam72
01-04-2011, 08:44 PM
I would definitely consider Wade as a DC, but I would never hire him as a HC, and I think McNair is probably thinking along the same lines. We can't just assume he will make that mistake and I think a lot of you are overreacting because our secondary (which Wade will most likely deal with) has got all of us in a very bad mood regarding this organization.

I've been screaming for a REAL FS for many years and it ticks me off that they've never dealt with that, but it doesn't mean McNair will promote Wade Phillips to HC. It means he needs to get a real DC and he's working on that.

Kubiak should be gone, but he could still prove us all wrong. He makes mind-boggling screw-ups, but he also does things right that most HCs wouldn't. I don't think it's imperceivable that a team with Kubiak's O and Phillip's D could work well.

Thorn
01-04-2011, 08:46 PM
Doesn't Wade Phillips have some crazy stat where he has become an interim HC for every team he has been a DC for?


:eek: :brickwall:

Pantherstang84
01-04-2011, 09:42 PM
I'm fine with Wade as the DC and I can no longer justify directing my ire at Kubiak. I really believe he thought he was a goner yesterday.

I have to direct my anger at McNair now. Is he really an upgrade over Bud? Is he? Right now I'm thinking he is not.

I am confident Wade wil get this defense turned around. I still think Kubiak is in over his head but that is no longer his fault.

gary
01-04-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm fine with Wade as the DC and I can no longer justify directing my ire at Kubiak. I really believe he thought he was a goner yesterday.

I have to direct my anger at McNair now. Is he really an upgrade over Bud? Is he? Right now I'm thinking he is not.

I am confident Wade wil get this defense turned around. I still think Kubiak is in over his head but that is no longer his fault.The ultimte call is on the shoulders of Bob.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2011, 09:56 PM
I heard Vic Fangio's back on the market. :hides:

:spit: Negative rep. your way! ;)

Honoring Earl 34
01-04-2011, 09:58 PM
:spit: Negative rep. your way! ;)

Did you see what Fangio did with those Stanford kids . Bill Walsh said he could run so many different things when he was at Stanford because the players were so smart .

fikster
01-04-2011, 10:09 PM
Isn't Rob Ryan available also as a DC since Mangini was canned? What about Mangini as a DC? A lot of national outlets love him as a DC? We have to interview some other people,if not we are repeating our previous ways. Wade is very qualified but so,e other guys may have some great ideas also worth hearing. We never really interview,ever, this is Teflon Kubes 3rd DC for crying out loud. Interview people.

Texan_Bill
01-04-2011, 10:11 PM
Did you see what Fangio did with those Stanford kids . Bill Walsh said he could run so many different things when he was at Stanford because the players were so smart .

No, you're right. He has actually done a tremendous job at Stanford.

Hey, sometimes you have to give credit, where credit is due.

Htownsportsfan
01-04-2011, 11:17 PM
I dont want Wade as the HC but it cracks me up seeing people worry about that when what we have had since the beginning has been epic failure.

I dont know what went wrong in Dallas this season but Wades record the 3 previous years sure kick the crap out of all of our seasons but one:

2007 13-3
2008 9-7
2009 11-5
2010 Epic fail

Even his three years in Buffalo

1998 10-6
1999 11-5
2000 8-8

Revolution
01-04-2011, 11:27 PM
Dan Pastorini has said it is so, so it must be so!

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 11:38 PM
wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes

Has this ever been done by any team?

I don't think I've seen everything, or that I know everything, but I don't recall this ever happening.

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 11:40 PM
McClain_on_NFL (http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL)

Gary Kubiak talked to Marvin Lewis about the vacant DC job before Lewis reached a new deal to remain in Cincinnati.



Damn. I'm surprised at this. It almost sounds like Gary is thinking of high profile people. It almost makes me believe that Bob did issue an ultimatium (though I'm not fully convinced).

I think someone's just making sure there's a chair for him at the donut table.

Is there a Marvin Lewis/Gary Kubiak connection I'm missing somewhere? Why would Gary call a guy & offer him a demotion before he is officially fired?

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 11:50 PM
I can't believe these dumbasses aren't doing a full search. Will this franchise ever "get it"?

What is there to get?

They know this guy. They were probably at the same Christmas Party for the last 4 years. 5 years. They don't need to "officially" interview him anymore than Sean Payton needed to "interview" Greg Williams.

Do you think they were like, "Well Gregg, I see you have a nice resume here, however we have a few more canididates to interview & we'll let you know in a week or so." ?

Hell no, Peyton was like, "Please, please, please, please... I'll pay him myself, please, please Mr. Benson, I'll su.......... "

BullNation4Life
01-04-2011, 11:58 PM
I love Texans fans, ***** becasue the current DC sucked, then ***** about NOT interviewing other DC candidates when Wade is better than ANY candidate on the market right now as a DC.

Can I ***** about the peanuts at Reliant being too salty?
Or Houston traffic?

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 09:07 AM
Has this ever been done by any team?

I don't think I've seen everything, or that I know everything, but I don't recall this ever happening.

The Bills fired Schonert after the preseason last year. 49ers fired Jimmy Raye after 3 or 4 games earlier this season. Both were offensive coordinators.

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 09:10 AM
Hell no, Peyton was like, "Please, please, please, please... I'll pay him myself, please, please Mr. Benson, I'll su.......... "

This is actually true. Payton took a pay cut so they could afford to bring in Williams within the team's budget.

Señor Stan
01-05-2011, 09:11 AM
Has this ever been done by any team?

I don't think I've seen everything, or that I know everything, but I don't recall this ever happening.

How quickly we forget the Chris Palmer debacle. Fired 2 weeks into the infamous 2005 season.

spurstexanstros
01-05-2011, 09:16 AM
so is this thread true or just prematre facepalmilation?

El Tejano
01-05-2011, 09:26 AM
at least they are trying

You know, as funny as that sounds, it is very true. Everyone is thinking this was a knee jerk reaction of a quick fix but given how bad our defense was this year, and given how early Phillips got fired, you couldn't help but start looking at how he could be available. Just the small research I've done on Wade Phillips both stats and talking with a friend who is a diehard San Diego Charger fan, and all I can see is how he turns defenses around.

Now with knowing they tried to talk to Marvin Lewis is, if anything, encouraging to know they went through a list. Marvin Lewis would've been a real good pickup. Wade is the best guy for the job out of anyonelse out there right now. Get the DC in early, start making a plan and move forward.

HuttoKarl
01-05-2011, 09:32 AM
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!

6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?

El Tejano
01-05-2011, 09:35 AM
The fear is that is the team does not improve overall and Gary is fired then Wade will be promoted to head coach.

^^^This. I'm just so scared that we start off on the wrong foot and then Mcnair decides to let Gary go and Wade steps in and really throws the team down the drain.

gtexan02
01-05-2011, 09:39 AM
Everyone is missing the bright side.

We already have the appropriate smilie. No additional work for the mods!
:wadepalm:

GuerillaBlack
01-05-2011, 09:41 AM
^^^This. I'm just so scared that we start off on the wrong foot and then Mcnair decides to let Gary go and Wade steps in and really throws the team down the drain.

Exactly. Hiring Wade doesn't fix all of the other problems that Gary Kubiak has on gameday. People are so quick to only look at our offensive production only, and forget the other things that make a coach. McNair couldn't lose his Kubiak cuddle buddy. I'm just hoping Wade turns the defense around at least. Not sure what can be done for Kubiak. Highly doubt he changes after his fifth year of coaching this team. He is what he is.

Thorn
01-05-2011, 09:44 AM
Exactly. Hiring Wade doesn't fix all of the other problems that Gary Kubiak has on gameday. People are so quick to only look at our offensive production only, and forget the other things that make a coach. McNair couldn't lose his Kubiak cuddle buddy. I'm just hoping Wade turns the defense around at least. Not sure what can be done for Kubiak. Highly doubt he changes after his fifth year of coaching this team. He is what he is.

I completely agree. But, wouldn't it be nice to at least be 8-8 again? :lol:

GP
01-05-2011, 09:45 AM
Now with knowing they tried to talk to Marvin Lewis is, if anything, encouraging to know they went through a list. Marvin Lewis would've been a real good pickup. Wade is the best guy for the job out of anyonelse out there right now. Get the DC in early, start making a plan and move forward.

I trust this team 0%.

I don't believe they talked to Marvin Lewis. That's a plant, giving off the appearance that people other than Phillips were on "the list."

They've not bluffed us very well on this one.

Bum visiting Bob just days before the last game, McClain posting that Kubiak would remain (which means you know dang well that McNair was already in the works for a new d-coord well before Sunday's game), the daughter or sister or whoever it was who called the radio station and planted the "Even if he were offered, I don't think he would accept it" crap, and then Wade's momma who also is reporting that her baby boy is mulling it over.

Last week, I dismissed a certain poster who said he knew it was all contrived. He was right. I was wrong.

I don't trust what this team says to us through the media.

Mealy-mouth (as DB said) is the right description of Bob McNair.

dalemurphy
01-05-2011, 09:45 AM
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!
6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?

This is a fair criticism... I'm more optimistic than you are, but I share a similar concern.

It is a bit baffling that a successful offense coach can't be adept at assessing defensive players and systems. After all, it would seem to be an important part of succeeding on offense- understanding the weaknesses of a defense and how to exploit it. But, when Richard Smith lasts three full seasons as the DC, clearly that isn't the case with Kubiak.

HuttoKarl
01-05-2011, 09:48 AM
This is a fair criticism... I'm more optimistic than you are, but I share a similar concern.

It is a bit baffling that a successful offense coach can't be adept at assessing defensive players and systems. After all, it would seem to be an important part of succeeding on offense- understanding the weaknesses of a defense and how to exploit it. But, when Richard Smith lasts three full seasons as the DC, clearly that isn't the case with Kubiak.

Yeah...I bet Peyton Manning could be a defensive coordinator just because he's so good at picking them apart. Kubiak's main problem is that he doesn't have the satchel to cut dead weight. I can't respect that or be happy about maintaining a guy like that. Aww Shucks Phillips isn't going to come in and cut any dead weight either....didn't the Cowboys not even practice in pads under is coaching? I think we got softer.

El Tejano
01-05-2011, 09:52 AM
Just incase some of you haven't gone to my thread, I did some small research about Wade Phillips. To me the real problem wasn't necessarily the yards but the points we gave up. So I researched what his defenses did in terms of points allowed.

This year, teams got to our 30 and scored. Last year, towards the end of the season we weren't giving up as many TDs and if you would've put last years end of the year defense with this years offense you probably got playoffs. Here's the thread, what do yall think after reading that:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79047

TheCD
01-05-2011, 09:53 AM
Nothing pisses me off more than seeing stupid Bob CrapNair talking about how Kubiak is offensive minded and Wade is defensive minded.

KUBIAK NEEDS TO BE FOOTBALL MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!

6-10 again...stay on the right track, right Bob?

This is just a guess with no real basis behind it, but here's what I'm going to take a shot at and assume happens:

Wade would officially be named the Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, much like Sherman was with the offense when he came here.

What I assume happens (or would at least like to happen) is that when our offense is running a 2-minute drill, Kubiak calls the plays (there is no other way around this, I believe) and Wade works the game management. Vise versa when the defense is on the field.

It is easier for a defensive coach who calls his own plays (e.g. Rex, Wade, Tomlin, etc.) to manage the game because the biggest aspects of game management come when the offense has the ball. Obviously he's not calling plays during this time, and can more fully understand the situation.

If my guessing is correct, I would expect a huge improvement in our clock management, regardless of how each individual is on his own.

DexmanC
01-05-2011, 10:00 AM
This is just a guess with no real basis behind it, but here's what I'm going to take a shot at and assume happens:

Wade would officially be named the Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator, much like Sherman was with the offense when he came here.

What I assume happens (or would at least like to happen) is that when our offense is running a 2-minute drill, Kubiak calls the plays (there is no other way around this, I believe) and Wade works the game management. Vise versa when the defense is on the field.

It is easier for a defensive coach who calls his own plays (e.g. Rex, Wade, Tomlin, etc.) to manage the game because the biggest aspects of game management come when the offense has the ball. Obviously he's not calling plays during this time, and can more fully understand the situation.

If my guessing is correct, I would expect a huge improvement in our clock management, regardless of how each individual is on his own.

That would assume Kubiak is willing to relinquish powers as head coach,
even on a behind-the-scenes level. One thing I've learned about
Kubiak in 5 seasons, is he's one stubborn knucklehead.

HoustonFrog
01-05-2011, 10:02 AM
I love Texans fans, ***** becasue the current DC sucked, then ***** about NOT interviewing other DC candidates when Wade is better than ANY candidate on the market right now as a DC.

Can I ***** about the peanuts at Reliant being too salty?
Or Houston traffic?

I think there is a beef. As I said in the other thread, its called doing your due diligence. Remember when they "allegedly" had names for the next D Coordinator and basically Frank Bush was already given the job. Within a day of finishing a whopping 6-10 McNair showed he already planned to keep Kubiak and fire the defense without even putting out feelers or seeing the landscape after firings. Then they say they will take their time to look for a D Coordinator when they really already have Bum's pick in here. It is a joke that they can't professionally just slow down, take in the scenery and try and make the proper call. It is like they are making out with a girl and already dusted in their boxers before the fun even started. Just in one big hurry without any research, etc.

HOU-TEX
01-05-2011, 10:04 AM
I think there is a beef. As I said in the other thread, its called doing your due diligence. Remember when they "allegedly" had names for the next D Coordinator and basically Frank Bush was already given the job. Within a day of finishing a whopping 6-10 McNair showed he already planned to keep Kubiak and fire the defense without even putting out feelers or seeing the landscape after firings. Then they say they will take their time to look for a D Coordinator when they really already have Bum's pick in here. It is a joke that they can't professionally just slow down, take in the scenery and try and make the proper call. It is like they are making out with a girl and already dusted in their boxers before the fun even started. Just in one big hurry without any research, etc.

Bill?

El Tejano
01-05-2011, 10:15 AM
Here's something else I just found out about Wade Phillips.

While in San Diego from 2004-2007 as DC:

Played Indy 4 times and has a record of 3-1 against the Colts.
Lost one time in 04 by 3 points
2005 Won in Indy and held Indy to 17 points
2007 Won at home vs. Indy holding them to 21 points, and then went to Indy and beat them in the playoffs holding them to 24 points.

I recall the playoff game and the defense scored a few TDs right?

thunderkyss
01-05-2011, 10:40 AM
The Bills fired Schonert after the preseason last year. 49ers fired Jimmy Raye after 3 or 4 games earlier this season. Both were offensive coordinators.


How quickly we forget the Chris Palmer debacle. Fired 2 weeks into the infamous 2005 season.

Silly me. I thought we were talking about bringing in a DC in the middle of the season....

wtf? This makes no sense.

Wade has been available since week 8, when the Texans were still realistically in the running. Why not fire Smith and take on Wade at some point in the season and let him actually have some time with the guys before the lockout to determine who he likes

Buffi2
01-05-2011, 10:54 AM
That would assume Kubiak is willing to relinquish powers as head coach,
even on a behind-the-scenes level. One thing I've learned about
Kubiak in 5 seasons, is he's one stubborn knucklehead.

The relinquishing of power thing bothers me. At some point last week - can't remember exactly where - maybe Kubiak's presser Monday - he was asked about the future DC helping him out and Kubiak responded, "I hope he would do what I say." There was another reference to Kubiak being the sole final decision maker. Sorry, old age and short term memory don't mix well, but I do remember the big picture - most of the time.

My point being that I'm not sure our head coach "stubborn knucklehead" is willing or even open to anyone else taking any kind of control - which is just another problem he needs to overcome.

Mr. White
01-05-2011, 11:18 AM
The relinquishing of power thing bothers me. At some point last week - can't remember exactly where - maybe Kubiak's presser Monday - he was asked about the future DC helping him out and Kubiak responded, "I hope he would do what I say." There was another reference to Kubiak being the sole final decision maker. Sorry, old age and short term memory don't mix well, but I do remember the big picture - most of the time.

My point being that I'm not sure our head coach "stubborn knucklehead" is willing or even open to anyone else taking any kind of control - which is just another problem he needs to overcome.

Here's the quote from the press conference.

(on whether it will matter if the defensive coordinator he hires runs a 3-4 or a 4-3 scheme) “You know what, it doesn’t. I’ve been asked that a couple times today. I think what we have to do is respect the person that we hire, knowing that we’re getting the best guy available; and we’ve got to say, ‘Look at our personnel,’ and I don’t think it really matters what we play. Whatever he thinks is best and gives us the best chance to be successful, then we should adapt to him. So we’re going to turn it over to him.”

I'm not saying that he's not a stubborn knucklehead, but sounds to me like he's saying all the right things right now.

drs23
01-05-2011, 11:20 AM
...Kubiak should be gone, but he could still prove us all wrong. He makes mind-boggling screw-ups, but he also does things right that most HCs wouldn't. I don't think it's imperceivable that a team with Kubiak's O and Phillip's D could work well.

Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:

jaayteetx
01-05-2011, 11:23 AM
Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:

Ya, I'm curious also.

J_R
01-05-2011, 11:39 AM
Former Cowboys coach Wade Phillips has expressed an interest in becoming the defensive coordinator for the Houston Texans.

If that happens, it's believed he will make a run for at least two members of the Cowboys coaching staff _ linebackers coach Reggie Herring and secondary/safeties coach Brett Maxie.

There are a lot of moving parts here. But let's add Miami's Todd Bowles, who will interview with Jerry Jones Wednesday, to the mix and play this out.

Say the Cowboys decide to hire Bowles as defensive coordinator and Herring leaves for the Texans at a later date. The club could plug interim defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni into Herring's spot. Pasqualoni worked with the Cowboys linebackers for two years when he was on Bill Parcells' staff.

...

Will all of this happen? It's too early to say. But as the Cowboys go about restructuring their staff, they are not the only ones who will have a say in what shape it takes.




http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/01/how-former-coach-wade-phillips.html

Señor Stan
01-05-2011, 12:19 PM
Silly me. I thought we were talking about bringing in a DC in the middle of the season....


I must have scanned through too quickly. Sorry about piling on the OC bandwagon.

The Chargers fired their DC Ted Cottrell back in 2008. The Chargers had started the season 3-5 and fired their DC.

They went on to win their division.

TheCD
01-05-2011, 12:22 PM
So does that make this thread a Premature Articulation? :kitten:

NitroGSXR
01-05-2011, 12:25 PM
So does that make this thread a Premature Articulation? :kitten:
Wary's the 40 year old virgin.

HOU-TEX
01-05-2011, 12:28 PM
According to McGobbler, Kubiak contacted Marvin Lewis before he re-signed with Cincy.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/22441045333643264#


Kubiak on phone with Marvin: "Hey Marv, how'd you like to come be my DC and run our defense?"

Marvin: "Uh..er...uh, let me get back to ya in a minute, Gary"

Marvin quickly dials up Bengals owner: "Hey Mr. Brown, sorry for callin you a cheap bastard. I'll happily re-up with you another year"

GP
01-05-2011, 12:37 PM
Interested in the bolded statement. I think we can all agree that he's made mistakes in clock management, time outs and abandoning the run at times. What specifically has he done correctly that most HCs wouldn't do? Not stirring here. Honest question. :heart:

1. Has built a great offense.

2. He found a proper QB to run his offense.

3. He generally finds effective TEs and implements them well.

4. Struggled early on to find proper RBs, but has hit the jackpot with Foster and Ward. If Tate returns, survives the injury bug, and shows flashes of talent like he did last preseason, then Kubiak will have found three RBs who run in his system very well.

5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though.

6. Wide receivers could use an upgrade, but Kubiak has done well to work with what he has. There's AJ (which makes any coach look good) and then there are role player WRs who generally do a decent job of functioning within the system. With the way the TEs play for us, it's going to be hard for him to justify using a high pick on a secondary WR to pair with AJ (IMO).

7. Doesn't go screwball on the sidelines, nor in pressers, which is a benefit in the long run. Would like to see him "coach" more during games, rather than 20 yards away from players and staring at playsheets. The offense players "get it" by now. They're not freshmen anymore. So he needs to spend his time more on observing play-by-play and pulling guys aside to instruct them from time to time.

8. Isn't afraid to go for it on 4th down. While I don't always agree with some of the specific plays he calls for certain 4th down down & distances, I still think he's fairly aggressive on 4th down attempts. Which is good.

9. Great hair. Hurricane-proof. Which means he will win a Super Bowl. :kitten:

10. Eats at Whataburger. So he's down with eating the BEST fast-food burger in existence. I'm down with that, too. :extraonions:

See what I did just there? I am capable of admitting someone's strengths. Even Kubiak's strengths.

I just don't think he has the "it" factor. What's going to really really make me angry, is if he and Wade Phillips somehow DO end up becoming a dynamic duo and go deep into the 2011 playoffs. This will mean that somewhere, somehow, within the Texans organization the ball was dropped BIG TIME because all we needed as a solid d-coord out there the whole time. This, IMO, will somewhat (potentially, since it's a stretch to say this will happen) exonerate Kubiak and therefore put more blame on an owner and GM who should have told Kubiak to mind his business with the offense and that they (owner and GM) would get him a d-coord. In short: It could be perceived that the top of the food chain is responsible for our woes and poor old Gurry Kubiak was only treading water in the sea of someone else's incompetence.

HOWEVER......

This is all based on the Texans finally doing what they have never done before, which is to put it all together and sustain their efforts for an entire four quarters of football over an entire 16-game season.

I have to say that I still would have my doubts. I think I wouldn't admit to anything positive about 2011 until we are through with the reg season and talking about our playoff opponent a year from this day. Until that day comes, nothing the Texans do can sway me to believe that things are "better."

It might "feel" better. But feelings are fleeting. I know, because I remember how I "felt" after week 1 of this season. That feeling faded over the remainder of the season. The signs were there, but the high of week 1 was too strong. Weeks 2, 3, and 4 a lot of us poo-poo'd the signs that were there, and some of us were screaming it from the rooftops trying to warn us.

Done.

GuerillaBlack
01-05-2011, 12:39 PM
According to McGobbler, Kubiak contacted Marvin Lewis before he re-signed with Cincy.

http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/statuses/22441045333643264#


Kubiak on phone with Marvin: "Hey Marv, how'd you like to come be my DC and run our defense?"

Marvin: "Uh..er...uh, let me get back to ya in a minute, Gary"

Marvin quickly dials up Bengals owner: "Hey Mr. Brown, sorry for callin you a cheap bastard. I'll happily re-up with you another year"

This is what actually happened. True story.

otisbean
01-05-2011, 12:45 PM
I must have scanned through too quickly. Sorry about piling on the OC bandwagon.

The Chargers fired their DC Ted Cottrell back in 2008. The Chargers had started the season 3-5 and fired their DC.

They went on to win their division.

I believe they already had R. Rivera on staff though. They had the next guy ready to go so to speak.

thunderkyss
01-05-2011, 12:52 PM
5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though.


If we run the ball next year the way we ran this year, we'll have an OL going to the pro bowl.. I have no doubt about it. I'm thinking Smith, but very well could be Myers or Brown.

If we can run the ball like this the next two years, they'll be calling ours the best (or at least one of the best) in the league.

thunderkyss
01-05-2011, 12:58 PM
What's going to really really make me angry, is if he and Wade Phillips somehow DO end up becoming a dynamic duo and go deep into the 2011 playoffs. This will mean that somewhere, somehow, within the Texans organization the ball was dropped BIG TIME because all we needed as a solid d-coord out there the whole time.

I think the argument could be made, but I won't buy it.

Ray Rhodes has been here for most of Gary's tenure. He's been involved in everything we do. He may not be Wade Phillips, or Greg Williams, but he isn't chopped liver either.

Frank Bush & Richard Smith may not have had experience coming in, but they've had experience to draw from.

I don't care for the Frank Bush firing..... not that I thought he did a good job or anything, but because I don't think the buck stopped at Frank..... at least it shouldn't.

But firings on the defensive staff...... LB coack & DB coach was warranted. I think.

GP
01-05-2011, 01:13 PM
I think the argument could be made, but I won't buy it.

Ray Rhodes has been here for most of Gary's tenure. He's been involved in everything we do. He may not be Wade Phillips, or Greg Williams, but he isn't chopped liver either.

Frank Bush & Richard Smith may not have had experience coming in, but they've had experience to draw from.

I don't care for the Frank Bush firing..... not that I thought he did a good job or anything, but because I don't think the buck stopped at Frank..... at least it shouldn't.

But firings on the defensive staff...... LB coack & DB coach was warranted. I think.

See, I think Bush was given power and nobody stood up to him. That's why we saw such decline from so many areas. There was too much "breakdown" everywhere on that defense for it to be a situation of positional coaches ignoring (and even undermining) Frank Bush.

IMO, Bush was given control. We know, for a fact, that Bush said he came in and put a lockdown on Richard Smith at the end of the year. There were certain scenarios and defensive packages/plays that Bush said they told Richard Smith he 100% could not use. In effect, Bush was the d-coord and Richard Smith was serving out his time and calling a Lame Duck series of games at the end of his time here.

That tells me that the culture on the Texans is that it is VERY authority-driven. I still think Kubiak overrides everyone on his team, especially when we see Slaton epic failing at returning kicks for so long. I think Kubiak let Bush do it "his way" [Bush's way] to a tee. If so, it speaks poorly of a lot of people. He was a first-time full-time NFL d-coord. In THAT essence, I think he was failed by others...but only to a degree.

I think it is unfortunate that Frank Bush came here and made our team his first trial run of being a full time d-coord. Not all his fault. But it is his fault. To a degree.

You are a softy for people, TK. Not saying that that's "bad" or anything. I just think you have a greater capacity for patience and compassion than most others. I think you'd make a great mentor to kids, that's for sure.

HuttoKarl
01-05-2011, 01:30 PM
1. Has built a great offense. The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.

2. He found a proper QB to run his offense. I am a member of the Matt Schaub Man-Love Club

3. He generally finds effective TEs and implements them well. OD is effective. Dreesen is serviceable. We haven't gotten anything out of the other dozen and a half they've drafted over the past five years.

4. Struggled early on to find proper RBs, but has hit the jackpot with Foster and Ward. If Tate returns, survives the injury bug, and shows flashes of talent like he did last preseason, then Kubiak will have found three RBs who run in his system very well. I'll give him Foster but that was also a product of misfortune on Tate's and Slaton's part.

5. Offensive line is serviceable. It's not awful. It's not great. But it gets the job done. Their run blocking, coupled with Foster/Ward/Tate, is usually a well-oiled machine. Struggles vs. beefier defensive systems, though. There was really nowhere to go but up with the O-Line...the QB change also helped quite a bit.

6. Wide receivers could use an upgrade, but Kubiak has done well to work with what he has. There's AJ (which makes any coach look good) and then there are role player WRs who generally do a decent job of functioning within the system. With the way the TEs play for us, it's going to be hard for him to justify using a high pick on a secondary WR to pair with AJ (IMO). AJ and Walter have been good...Anderson is ok in a pinch...Jacoby Jones was a horrible reach.

infantrycak
01-05-2011, 01:46 PM
The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.

How did the O regress from last year? The only metric they regressed in was passing yardage and that's a natural with developing a solid running game. With crap field position they put up more points, converted 3rd down better, ran better and were better in the red zone.

michaelm
01-05-2011, 01:52 PM
1. Has built a great offense. The offense was great for about half a game usually. They regressed from last year as well.


How did the O regress from last year? The only metric they regressed in was passing yardage and that's a natural with developing a solid running game. With crap field position they put up more points, converted 3rd down better, ran better and were better in the red zone.


infantrycak: [to michaelm] Germans?
michaelm: Forget it, he's rolling.

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 05:28 PM
Wade's been hired

J_R
01-05-2011, 05:29 PM
http://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/22780197115793408

b0ng
01-05-2011, 05:29 PM
http://twitter.com/610SportsKC

Wade Phillips has been hired as Defensive Coordinator of the Houston Texans.

TEXANS84
01-05-2011, 05:30 PM
myfoxhouston.com is reporting confirmed hiring as well

mussop
01-05-2011, 05:30 PM
Yep just announced it on 610

J_R
01-05-2011, 05:31 PM
:wadepalm:

Meh

texanchris
01-05-2011, 05:31 PM
:wadepalm:

gary
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
Anything on houstontexans.com yet?

alphajoker
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
Worst kept secret since...well, since they hired Frank Bush.

Thorn
01-05-2011, 05:32 PM
It's not on the Texans website yet, but I have very little doubt this is true.

HTown2ATX
01-05-2011, 05:33 PM
got the text

we all knew it was coming......we'll see how he does

:polevault:

Corrosion
01-05-2011, 05:34 PM
Well , at least we already have :wadepalm:

Khari
01-05-2011, 05:36 PM
Well , at least we already have :wadepalm:

we were prepared :chickendance:

eriadoc
01-05-2011, 05:36 PM
Well, at least we finally have one decent coach on staff.

TEXANRED
01-05-2011, 05:36 PM
Can't wait!

Lets go Texans!

Double Barrel
01-05-2011, 05:39 PM
And the next head coach of the Houston Texans is....

Dutchrudder
01-05-2011, 05:39 PM
If this means we won't be drafting a TE or CSU player, I'm good with it.

Section516
01-05-2011, 05:42 PM
Now for the other three positions..Minus any Ast of the Ast. positions they bring.. :chef:

ESPN, http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5992848

The Houston Texans have hired former Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator.

Also, I hate it when The Walrus is right.

Hoss
01-05-2011, 05:47 PM
:kubepalm::wadepalm::toropalm::facepalm:

DerekLee1
01-05-2011, 05:50 PM
Worst kept secret since...well, since they hired Frank Bush.

No, it was kept even worse than that. Worst kept secret since they chose "Texans" as the name.

dalemurphy
01-05-2011, 05:58 PM
If this means we won't be drafting a TE or CSU player, I'm good with it.

Shelley Smith is going to make you eat those words!

Thorn
01-05-2011, 06:18 PM
It's up on the Texans web site now.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/all-news.html

Dutchrudder
01-05-2011, 06:22 PM
Shelley Smith is going to make you eat those words!

Did he even play a down this season? Call me crazy, but I think he would have been an UDFA if they didn't pick him.

LonerATO
01-05-2011, 06:24 PM
I wish Marin Lewis hadn't signed back up with the Bengals

gary
01-05-2011, 06:33 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Arjp7XDObn8CbeH43RH2O0xDubYF?slug=ap-texans-phillips

Grams
01-05-2011, 06:36 PM
Not excited, not optimistic.

2 More years of :kubepalm:

Followed by 5 more years of :wadepalm:

Another 7 years of 8-8.



ps: sure hope there is crow for me to eat this time next year, but I am not holding my breath.

False Start
01-05-2011, 06:41 PM
Great news! Lets get it done Bum's Son. :texflag:

Doppelganger
01-05-2011, 06:43 PM
No, it was kept even worse than that. Worst kept secret since they chose "Texans" as the name.

Helen Keller knew that Wade Phillips was the next Texans DC!

Doppelganger
01-05-2011, 06:47 PM
Not excited, not optimistic.

2 More years of :kubepalm:

Followed by 5 more years of :wadepalm:

Another 7 years of 8-8.



ps: sure hope there is crow for me to eat this time next year, but I am not holding my breath.

Well I figure in 7 years, Bill Belichick will have retired and wants to coach again. It will be known that the Texans are a team he is interested in. Instead of firing Bum Jr, Norv Turner (who will have been fired earlier in the season) will be brought in to be the new Offensive Coordinator. This temporary path will cause Belichick to look elsewhere and ultimately take another HC spot.

Yay 360 degrees of incompetence!

TexCanada
01-05-2011, 06:48 PM
I wonder if this is going to end up being more of a cooperation thing between Kubiak and Phillips, or if it will be Kubiak acting as Phillips boss. I imagine that Phillips will have full control of the D, so Kubiak really won't be his boss at the end of the day.

Thorn
01-05-2011, 06:51 PM
Well I figure in 7 years, Bill Belichick will have retired and wants to coach again. It will be known that the Texans are a team he is interested in. Instead of firing Bum Jr, Norv Turner (who will have been fired earlier in the season) will be brought in to be the new Offensive Coordinator. This temporary path will cause Belichick to look elsewhere and ultimately take another HC spot.

Yay 360 degrees of incompetence!

In July 2015 NASA’s New Horizon’s spacecraft will rendezvous with Pluto. I suspect McNair will then have a new planet to look for head coaches.

disaacks3
01-05-2011, 06:54 PM
Well , at least we already have :wadepalm:

So, it's all OUR fault!!! #$%^%&^!@

Bob's been hanging out on TT all this time and figured we already had Wade in OUR plans, so...

texanhead08
01-05-2011, 06:55 PM
Wade does have a 13-3 record on his resume. I still don't want him to ever be our head coach, but our current one has never been close to that.

Corrosion
01-05-2011, 06:55 PM
And the next head coach of the Houston Texans is....

I wouldnt count on that , Gary is Bob's guy.


If this means we won't be drafting a TE or CSU player, I'm good with it.

I guess you forget how many TE's went down last season (09) and how the depth at the position paid off ..... :chickendance:

Mr. Texan
01-05-2011, 06:57 PM
http://i52.tinypic.com/jucuu1.jpg

NitroGSXR
01-05-2011, 07:05 PM
I wonder if this is going to end up being more of a cooperation thing between Kubiak and Phillips, or if it will be Kubiak acting as Phillips boss. I imagine that Phillips will have full control of the D, so Kubiak really won't be his boss at the end of the day.

You know what would be funny yet quiet? A Kubiak/Wade shouting match. It would be an extremely wary one as well.

bckey
01-05-2011, 07:06 PM
I don't have a problem with the Texans hiring Phillips. What I do have a problem with is that once again no real search was made to fill the position. McNair flat out does not know how to run this franchise. He made his mind up before the season was even over and then tried to sell the fans on the idea with the pr move that insulted our intelligence. For someone that befriends all his employees and becomes emotionally tied to them and is patient to a fault when it comes to firing them McNair sure is the exact opposite when it comes to hiring. McNair seems to focus on someone and jump the gun to hire them. This formula is disasterous. He needs to hire a guy like Parcells to oversee this organization.

speedfreek
01-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Rock on, at least we'll have someone with a track-record of actually having coached a defense at the pro level successfully.

TJ

mattieuk
01-05-2011, 07:32 PM
Not excited, not optimistic.

2 More years of :kubepalm:

Followed by 5 more years of :wadepalm:

Another 7 years of 8-8.



ps: sure hope there is crow for me to eat this time next year, but I am not holding my breath.

8-8 will be a huge improvement next year!

Welcome back to Houston Wade.

False Start
01-05-2011, 08:06 PM
You know what would be funny yet quiet? A Kubiak/Wade shouting match. It would be an extremely wary one as well.

Gary: Look wade, I'll kick your tail!
Wade: You talkin to me? YOU talking to me?
Gary: Wade, what the heck are you talking about?
Wade: Say hello to my little friend!
Gary: Go sit down Wade.
Wade: OK

JB
01-05-2011, 08:12 PM
:lol: HA!

MFG16
01-05-2011, 08:13 PM
2.1 million over 3 years, makes him the highest paid DC in the league. Now go out and get a whole bunch of top talent in FA.

OzzO
01-05-2011, 08:43 PM
I wonder if he'll channel his inner Ryan and punch Kubiak on the sidelines.

b0ng
01-05-2011, 08:54 PM
I don't have a problem with the Texans hiring Phillips. What I do have a problem with is that once again no real search was made to fill the position. McNair flat out does not know how to run this franchise. He made his mind up before the season was even over and then tried to sell the fans on the idea with the pr move that insulted our intelligence. For someone that befriends all his employees and becomes emotionally tied to them and is patient to a fault when it comes to firing them McNair sure is the exact opposite when it comes to hiring. McNair seems to focus on someone and jump the gun to hire them. This formula is disasterous. He needs to hire a guy like Parcells to oversee this organization.

I would totally agree with you if they had gotten another crappy no-experienced DC (for the 3rd time), but Wade Phillips is not that. While true, no other candidates were really sought after or even asked, I'm perfectly fine with Wade Phillips as a DC. I've seen what he's done for some really abject failures of a defense (Chargers 2003 were horrible, and then turned into a fairly decent unit that got better and better from '04 - '06) and I like what I've seen. Especially if he can turn one of our players into a contender for the sack title each year that'd be just fine too.

TheMatrix31
01-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Very cool news. Have at it, Wade!

TheRealJoker
01-05-2011, 09:36 PM
I wonder if we will pick up a guy like Marcus Spears to add some competition on the DL and help kickstart Wade's scheme with the defense?

Terrance Newman is another Cowboy who is up for free agency and could help the team.

GP
01-05-2011, 09:36 PM
:lol: HA!

Nice to see you completely misrepresenting what I said.

I said I would be mad because it could, potentially, show utter incompetence by owner & GM for not stepping in sooner and getting a true, experienced d-coord instead of first-timer Frank Bush.

I reported this horsecrap, and even if nothing is done about it, others will know that you are taking that line out of context. I don't find it funny that you don't understand TRUE humor (the way you pissed & moaned about people trying to find and provide some actual humor amidst all this) and thus feel the need to be intentionally twisting to get your rocks off.

You're on the ignore list, jackwagon.

JB
01-05-2011, 09:38 PM
Nice to see you completely misrepresenting what I said.

I said I would be mad because it could, potentially, show utter incompetence by owner & GM for not stepping in sooner and getting a true, experienced d-coord instead of first-timer Frank Bush.

I reported this horsecrap, and even if nothing is done about it, others will know that you are taking that line out of context. I don't find it funny that you don't understand TRUE humor (the way you pissed & moaned about people trying to find and provide some actual humor amidst all this) and thus feel the need to be intentionally twisting to get your rocks off.

You're on the ignore list, jackwagon.

Now that is funny! I am not trying to misrepresent anything. I just thought that statement was sig worthy.

GP
01-05-2011, 09:40 PM
What's that? Speak up, old timer!

I can't hear ya' cuz I got ya' on my fancy eeeg-nore list.

Texan_Bill
01-05-2011, 09:41 PM
Now that is funny! I am not trying to misrepresent anything. I just thought that statement was sig worthy.

:clap: And it is sig worthy!! :clap:

http://kontraband.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/clapping.gif

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/168659.gif

http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/images/applause.gif

http://www.eddieandlid.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/applause.gif

FirstTexansFan
01-05-2011, 09:42 PM
One of these days I'm going to go back and read this thread so I understand :)

JB
01-05-2011, 09:43 PM
what's that? Speak up, old timer!

I can't hear ya' cuz i got ya' on my fancy eeeg-nore list.

i said that is funny!!!

GP
01-05-2011, 09:44 PM
:clap: And it is sig worthy!! :clap:

Yeah, I get it.

People with no "real" humor think the intentional misrepresentation of another person's words is somehow hilarious.

It speaks more to the true, underlying (with heavy emphasis on the "lying" part of the word underlying") of a person's character.

I would never even think to do something like that, and so if JB wants to be "that guy" then let him. Choices, ya' know.

GP
01-05-2011, 09:48 PM
One of these days I'm going to go back and read this thread so I understand :)

I said, in another post, that IF (since it's a really big "if" right now) Kubiak and Wade go deep into the playoffs, it would make me really mad because of how long we had dicked around with experiments as d-coordinators all these years.

JB, who doesn't have the ability to create humor on his own, and therefore is unable to appreciate its finer nuances, decided to take one snippet out of that train of thought I had...and isolate it to make it appear that I would be mad if we made it deep into the playoffs. Simple twisting and manipulation of words, for the self-gratification of trying to paint me as something I am not, and he's patting himself on the back for it. Real classy.

Hell, if anything, that particular post was somewhat forgiving of Kubiak.

I guess it's taboo to mess with Gary Kubiak. All I have seen is a small sector of people get on here and beg people to leave him alone, like the "Leave Brittany Alone!" video.

Well, some people got their wish. Let's see how Festus and Cleetus do in 2011.

FirstTexansFan
01-05-2011, 09:55 PM
I said, in another post, that IF (since it's a really big "if" right now) Kubiak and Wade go deep into the playoffs, it would make me really mad because of how long we had dicked around with experiments as d-coordinators all these years.

JB, who doesn't have the ability to create humor on his own, and therefore is unable to appreciate its finer nuances, decided to take one snippet out of that train of thought I had...and isolate it to make it appear that I would be mad if we made it deep into the playoffs. Simple twisting and manipulation of words, for the self-gratification of trying to paint me as something I am not, and he's patting himself on the back for it. Real classy.

Hell, if anything, that particular post was somewhat forgiving of Kubiak.

I guess it's taboo to mess with Gary Kubiak. All I have seen is a small sector of people get on here and beg people to leave him alone, like the "Leave Brittany Alone!" video.

Well, some people got their wish. Let's see how Festus and Cleetus do in 2011.

Deep breath big guy :) It's just a farken game, we can't control it, and nothing we type here will change it right? I think our differences are getting in the way of our interactions with one another here. Can't let that affect long term friendships here on the MB... let it go :)

GP
01-05-2011, 09:59 PM
Deep breath big guy :) It's just a farken game, we can't control it, and nothing we type here will change it right? I think our differences are getting in the way of our interactions with one another here. Can't let that affect long term friendships here on the MB... let it go :)

Really? Let me do that to you some day and see how well you take it.

Shoe on the other foot, and all that.

Hey, he's only taking himself down another peg for having done it. The blatant, intentional misrepresentation of a person's words--for self gain and enjoyment--is about as low as a person can go. And yet, the funny thing is that people on here will see it for what it's worth.

I just needed to report it to the mods, because I feel that was an over-the-top act he just did, send a shot across the bow of his libel ship, put him on ignore list (since that's a real way that I can control that horsecrap) and let the people of this board sort it out.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I don't want you to think I don't value what you're telling me. But it's a pretty sorry person to do what he did.

Period.

FirstTexansFan
01-05-2011, 10:02 PM
Really? Let me do that to you some day and se how well you take it.

Shoe on the other foot, and all that.

Hey, he's only taking himself down another peg for having done it. The blatant, intentional misrepresentation of a person's words--for self gain and enjoyment--is about as low as a person can go. And yet, the funny thing is that people on here will see it for what it's worth.

I just needed to report it to the mods, because I feel that was an over-the-top act he just did, send a shot across the bow of his libel ship, put him on ignore list (since that's a real way that I can control that horsecrap) and let the people of this board sort it out.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I don't want you to think I don't value what you're telling me. But it's a pretty sorry person to do what he did.

Period.

Sorry man, I don't take what anyone says on a MB seriously. It's anonymous entertainment at its finest imo. Just something to occupy my idle time, and it allows me to unwind after a long day. I understand your frustration, you know from my positive rep of your posts I value your opinion as well :)

GP
01-05-2011, 10:13 PM
Sorry man, I don't take what anyone says on a MB seriously. It's anonymous entertainment at its finest imo. Just something to occupy my idle time, and it allows me to unwind after a long day. I understand your frustration, you know from my positive rep of your posts I value your opinion as well :)

Yeah, but what's really got me tore up, FTF, is that you're now JB's #1 fan.

Cuts me to the bone, chief. To the BONE.

;)

FirstTexansFan
01-05-2011, 10:15 PM
Yeah, but what's really got me tore up, FTF, is that you're now JB's #1 fan.

Cuts me to the bone, chief. To the BONE.

;)

LOL Hey, I can change, you've seen me.. I think I need a new #1, but these days, no one seems worthy... let me go read some threads, bound to be one out there... we need a playoff system put in place :)

JB
01-05-2011, 10:22 PM
LOL Hey, I can change, you've seen me.. I think I need a new #1, but these days, no one seems worthy... let me go read some threads, bound to be one out there... we need a playoff system put in place :)

Dude! You wound me deeply! :cry2:

GP
01-05-2011, 10:33 PM
LOL Hey, I can change, you've seen me.. I think I need a new #1, but these days, no one seems worthy... let me go read some threads, bound to be one out there... we need a playoff system put in place :)

LOL!

Before I read that last part of your post, I was JUST thinking that you are like the BCS Poll of this message board.

The Mel Kiper of this message board.

It's getting to where I just always scan and look for your sig line...to see who is now #1 on your list.

A playoff system? Very interesting idea. Good luck getting that achieved.

J_R
01-05-2011, 11:33 PM
Kubiak and Wade speaking by phone tonight:

Kubiak: Im excited Mark(Speaking to Mark Berman). We had a list of candidates but started with guy we thought who was most qualified and fit our situation and that was Wade and thats where it ended. Very excited. Important we send a message to our team of where we are headed. We'll put together a staff and put these players in position.

Phillips: Everyone was expecting it but it wasnt final. Great feeling for me. They wanted me. I think much of them.

You feel like the pieces are in place?

Got some good players. Some young guys that will improve.

GP
01-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Kubiak and Wade speaking by phone tonight:

Kubiak: Im excited Mark(Speaking to Mark Berman). We had a list of candidates but started with guy we thought who was most qualified and fit our situation and that was Wade and thats where it ended. Very excited. Important we send a message to our team of where we are headed. We'll put together a staff and put these players in position.

Phillips: Everyone was expecting it but it wasnt final. Great feeling for me. They wanted me. I think much of them.

You feel like the pieces are in place?

Got some good players. Some young guys that will improve.

"Some young guys that will improve."

Talk is cheap. Anybody can say all this stuff about being excited, and blah blah blah.

Tired of Texans Talk. I want Texans Action.

Rep your way, for posting the transcripts of stuff for us. Very cool. I'm now to the point where I know that "the guy posting the transcripts" is the poster known as HoustonSportsFan09. Sorry about failing to give you the proper credit on the other transcript posts you made. Couldn't remember who did it.

GuerillaBlack
01-06-2011, 12:40 AM
"Some young guys that will improve."

Talk is cheap. Anybody can say all this stuff about being excited, and blah blah blah.

Tired of Texans Talk. I want Texans Action.

Rep your way, for posting the transcripts of stuff for us. Very cool. I'm now to the point where I know that "the guy posting the transcripts" is the poster known as HoustonSportsFan09. Sorry about failing to give you the proper credit on the other transcript posts you made. Couldn't remember who did it.

Right when I was trying to get excited about what Wade said, you say this and remind me of how bad our past coaching staff has been and the long list of things we've seen these past five seasons. Shit. Talk is definitely cheap. I'm with DexmanC here. Let's see where this team is at after 12 games. Forget the rest.

thunderkyss
01-06-2011, 09:31 AM
You are a softy for people, TK. Not saying that that's "bad" or anything. I just think you have a greater capacity for patience and compassion than most others. I think you'd make a great mentor to kids, that's for sure.

Not exactly. I'm calling for more heads, not less.


That tells me that the culture on the Texans is that it is VERY authority-driven. I still think Kubiak overrides everyone on his team, especially when we see Slaton epic failing at returning kicks for so long. I think Kubiak let Bush do it "his way" [Bush's way] to a tee. If so, it speaks poorly of a lot of people. He was a first-time full-time NFL d-coord. In THAT essence, I think he was failed by others...but only to a degree.

To me, this sounds like you want this "authority driven" thing to work for you when it makes sense to you, & not when it doesn't fit your agenda.

Kubiak is going to tell Marciano (someone with much more experience doing what he does than Frank Bush) to use Slaton & not McMannis or Casey (even though he's a TE, surely he'd have done a better job than Slaton).... but the buck stops with Frank Bush. I'm not a softy for Bush, it's not that he got fired that I'm in disagreement with, but that they are making it look like he was ultimately responsible. It didn't get to the headcoach.....

I don't understand that, it's got to go to the head coach or the GM, in this situation. The problems we've had on defense didn't just pop up the last two years, they're chronic problems we've had since day one.

thunderkyss
01-06-2011, 09:38 AM
I wouldnt count on that , Gary is Bob's guy.




I guess you forget how many TE's went down last season (09) and how the depth at the position paid off ..... :chickendance:

& it hurt us at LB this year. If we'd have drafted a Sharpton two years ago, he could have been ready to step into Demeco's role this year.

Or had we drafted Willis in '07, he could have slid over to play Mike. If he was our Mike, then Adibi or Diles could have stepped up....

thunderkyss
01-06-2011, 09:50 AM
I don't have a problem with the Texans hiring Phillips. What I do have a problem with is that once again no real search was made to fill the position. McNair flat out does not know how to run this franchise.

Wade Phillips being available after week 8.... & the problems we've seen since week 1, I guarantee you there isn't an owner in the NFL who wasn't already thinking about acquiring Wade in some capacity for next season.

Bob waiting till the end of the season to fire Frank Bush might have been the only thing that threw anyone off of what he might be doing. But if you search this board, people were talking about bringing in Wade as early as the day after the Cowboys fired him.

It makes sense.... you need to understand that, before you start questioning what McNair knows & doesn't know. Plenty of things out there to use as evidence of McNair's short comings. this isn't one of them.

The fact that we had an inside track (Bum has been an avid, vocal Texans supporter since day one. He's been a supporter of Kubiak since 2006) only makes it the more obvious path for us to take.

So, when you think that any GM, team owner, team CEO, team president (or VP) of football operations had Wade Phillips on their short list, the day they heard he may be in trouble in Dallas. They would have to sit there thinking, who else would we prefer to Wade. In our case, the Texans want you to think Marvin Lewis was slotted ahead of Phillips....

Then that's the order you go after them. You don't interview your top guy, then interview the next three on your list..... just like FA, if the guy leaves without a contract, you failed. That's what happened here.

Either Wade was numero uno on their list, or Lewis was. Doesn't matter. There aren't many guys who would put anyone available above Wade Phillips as DC...

John Fox, Jeff Fischer.... maybe. Rob Ryan would be a guy I'd give a shot to, but Kubiak already screwed that pooch... he needed someone with a track history of success & someone who would come work for him...... I'm sure that was a one name list, no matter how you shake it.

GP
01-06-2011, 09:53 AM
To me, this sounds like you want this "authority driven" thing to work for you when it makes sense to you, & not when it doesn't fit your agenda.

Frank Bush was given the keys to the car.

Every week, Kubiak stood at the podium and said Frank was doing a heckuva' job. That he liked what Frank was doing out there, blah blah blah.

So either Kubiak is a liar, or he truly believed that his d-coord was doing an OK job....but those pesky kids just weren't getting it.

You think Kubiak decided, on his own, without any intervention by owner & GM, to fire Frank Bush? Kubiak doesn't dispense with "his guys" very easily. All season long, he moaned and sadly said he sure doesn't hope nothin' bad happens at the end of the year because he sure does care about all his coaches--the guys brought in by him--and blah blah blah.

Kubiak is like a laser beam. It focuses narrowly on a single point upon a surface and bores a hole through it. However, none of the surrounding area is greatly affected by it. His hole he's bored is the offense.

He was trying to let Frank Bush laser beam that defense, giving him two years to make a go of it. It is up for debate if Kubiak would have fired Frank Bush on his own, with no outside arm twisting by owner & GM. But I think the ultimatum was laid down to Kubiak. Let's be grownups here and say this is the most likely scenario.

Lastly, Kubiak's affection for Steve Slaton (he was "the guy" who at least made Kubiak's life fairly easy for one season) is what drove Kubiak (IMO) to override Marciano and tell Joe that Steve would be fielding kickoffs. Kubiak is uber loyal, you know that TK. So he's not going to just have Steve ride the pine. How many carries did Steve get this season? Foster and Ward were our only two RBs who trotted onto the field. In fact, it was odd to see Slaton come off the field after a kickoff and Foster passes him on the way to the huddle. Steve Slaton, for all practical purposes, shouldn't be on this roster in 2011. But, I have a feeling he will somehow. Just a hunch. Gary will take him one more year in all likelihood. It's that loyalty thing. That "I brought you here, and I am responsible for you" thing.

A wise man once said "I am not responsible FOR you. I am responsible TO you." Which means that in our lives, those who have influence over our lives (coaches, teachers, bosses, etc.) are not ultimately held responsible FOR what happens to us--We're of our own accord and can make our own decisions in life. However, we are responsible TO people. Which means we ought to extend our best efforts to the person and try as hard as we can to set them up for success and then the person can hit it out of the park.

I'll just say that Kubiak strikes me as a person who has those two things confused. I think, IMO, he's got a thing for trying to give people a chance and then not having the guts to tell the person they failed.

Kinda' odd that this is how we also describe McNair on here, eh? Two guys who can't stop being loyal...even to their own detriment. They're coexisting equals, IMO, and that's why Bob likes Kubiak so much.

Enough is enough, except the guy with the checkbook doesn't think it's enough yet. We wonder "what WILL be enough?" but it's just becoming laughable at this stage. This, IMO, is the root of the anger of some people on here. An inability to throw away the night-night blankie and the pacifier and say "This is where the rubber meets the road."

The "Uber loyal" personalities in here, though, are not sure about that angle. I mean, heck...it's traumatic to make a drastic change and all. It's just downright traumatic. This is the mindset of a parent who feels he/she is responsible FOR their kid...even though the kid is 17 and ought to know better by now. Oh well, bail the kid out of jail. Kids are kids. This, IMO, is the predicament that our nation is in right now: To what level am I ultimately responsible FOR and/or TO another person?

Go Texans.

Double Barrel
01-06-2011, 11:15 AM
I wouldnt count on that , Gary is Bob's guy.


Oh yeah, for at least the next 6 years. As long as we post at least one 9-7 record, of course.

GP
01-06-2011, 11:20 AM
Oh yeah, for at least the next 6 years. As long as we post at least one 9-7 record, of course.

You left out the possible expansion to an 18-game season.

9-7 will become 10-8.

That's a huge improvement. Our first 10-win season!

Gonna' go stock up on party favors and prepare the parade routes.

Double Barrel
01-06-2011, 11:25 AM
You left out the possible expansion to an 18-game season.

9-7 will become 10-8.

That's a huge improvement. Our first 10-win season!

Gonna' go stock up on party favors and prepare the parade routes.

ugh....I bet we'll be one of the first 9-9 teams in the NFL, because we haven't had a stab at that level of mediocrity, yet.

And nine wins is still "on the right track", because that's the highest number we've won in our history!

GP
01-06-2011, 12:58 PM
ugh....I bet we'll be one of the first 9-9 teams in the NFL, because we haven't had a stab at that level of mediocrity, yet.

And nine wins is still "on the right track", because that's the highest number we've won in our history!

You would think McNair wouldn't LENGTHEN the season...

But rather he would SHORTEN it.

To a one-game season.

McNoob: "Alright, Gary! Get the kids prepared for week 1. Tell them this is the most important 60 minutes of their life. Win this game, and we're into the playoffs!!!!"

Kubiak: "Is there any chance you get the game shortened to 58 minutes?"

McNoob: (staring intensely at Gary)..."Brilliant idea, Gary. I knew I kept you for some reason. You know, Rick told me I shouldn't but....hey RICK! Get the commish on the phone, I need to phone in a favor...."

Rick: "I don't do that."

McNoob: "Don't do what?"

Rick: "Ring people up on the phone. I don't do that. Get Gary to do it."

McNoob: "You don't do that? What the hell do you do anyways?"

Rick: "It's time for your special medicine, Bob. Here ya' go..."

McNoob: "Oh goody! It tastes like cherry. Cherry's my favorite."

Rick: "Feel better?"

McNoob: "Much. Thank ya', Rick. You're a life saver. Now where were we?"

Rick and Gary, together: "We were just talking about how well the kids are playing out there and how they are battlin' and just playing their tails off."

LOL. Cue the jack-in-the-box creepy music.......

GP
01-06-2011, 01:04 PM
You would think McNair wouldn't LENGTHEN the season...

But rather he would SHORTEN it.

To a one-game season.

McNoob: "Alright, Gary! Get the kids prepared for week 1. Tell them this is the most important 60 minutes of their life. Win this game, and we're into the playoffs!!!!"

Kubiak: "Is there any chance you get the game shortened to 58 minutes?"

McNoob: (staring intensely at Gary)..."Brilliant idea, Gary. I knew I kept you for some reason. You know, Rick told me I shouldn't but....hey RICK! Get the commish on the phone, I need to phone in a favor...."

Rick: "I don't do that."

McNoob: "Don't do what?"

Rick: "Ring people up on the phone. I don't do that. Get Gary to do it."

McNoob: "You don't do that? What the hell do you do anyways?"

Rick: "It's time for your special medicine, Bob. Here ya' go..."

McNoob: "Oh goody! It tastes like cherry. Cherry's my favorite."

Rick: "Feel better?"

McNoob: "Much. Thank ya', Rick. You're a life saver. Now where were we?"

Rick and Gary, together: "We were just talking about how well the kids are playing out there and how they are battlin' and just playing their tails off."

LOL. Cue the jack-in-the-box creepy music.......

I imagine Andy Griffith, from the movie Rustler's Rhapsody, to star in the role of McNoob.

Rick is obviously played by Will Smith, with the sort of ain't-here-to-get-along swagger of Men In Black.

Gary plays himself because nobody can replicate that hair of his. Not even the special effects people in Hollywood. George Lucas won't touch that CGI project.

J_R
01-06-2011, 01:23 PM
After Wade Phillips (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Wade_Phillips) agreed to become the Texans’ new defensive coordinator (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Defensive_coordinator) on Wednesday, he and coach Gary Kubiak (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Gary_Kubiak) went to owner Bob McNair (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Bob_McNair)’s office.

McNair dialed Bum Phillips’ telephone number in Goliad.
“When he answered, Bob said, ‘Bum, I’ve got someone here who wants to talk to you,’ ” Wade Phillips said after he returned to his home in Dallas. “I got on the phone and said, ‘Daddy, we’re Texans now.’ ”


Daddy, ha really?!:wadepalm:

kiwitexansfan
01-06-2011, 01:50 PM
“When he answered, Bob said, ‘Bum, I’ve got someone here who wants to talk to you,’ ” Wade Phillips said after he returned to his home in Dallas. “I got on the phone and said, ‘Daddy, we’re Texans now.’ ”


Daddy, ha really?!:wadepalm:

Yeah, that made me LOL as wel.

You're a grown man Wade.

Anywho, REALLY excited to have Wade on board, and even more excited to see the 3-4 back in town. I loves me some 3-4.

J_R
01-06-2011, 02:24 PM
McNair on hiring Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator: "I've never been so confident about our coaching staff as I am now." "Generally, when you make any kind of change... you say, 'Boy, I hope this works out.' I'm not saying that here. It will work out."

GP
01-06-2011, 02:25 PM
After Wade Phillips (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Wade_Phillips) agreed to become the Texans’ new defensive coordinator (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Defensive_coordinator) on Wednesday, he and coach Gary Kubiak (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Gary_Kubiak) went to owner Bob McNair (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Bob_McNair)’s office.

McNair dialed Bum Phillips’ telephone number in Goliad.
“When he answered, Bob said, ‘Bum, I’ve got someone here who wants to talk to you,’ ” Wade Phillips said after he returned to his home in Dallas. “I got on the phone and said, ‘Daddy, we’re Texans now.’ ”


Daddy, ha really?!:wadepalm:

Did this really happen? Or is it for comedic effect?

If all this stuff really did transpire, then they are 9-year-olds. Period.

J_R
01-06-2011, 02:27 PM
Did this really happen? Or is it for comedic effect?

If all this stuff really did transpire, then they are 9-year-olds. Period.

I dont know if it really happened, I assume it did, but that's what was reported in the Chron.

GP
01-06-2011, 02:27 PM
McNair on hiring Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator: "I've never been so confident about our coaching staff as I am now." "Generally, when you make any kind of change... you say, 'Boy, I hope this works out.' I'm not saying that here. It will work out."

"It will work out."

LOL.

I'm glad McNoob isn't apprehensive about this hire. I mean, if he feels good about it, then it will mean great things.

If we dream it, we can make it.

GP
01-06-2011, 02:29 PM
I dont know if it really happened, I assume it did, but that's what was reported in the Chron.

ROFLMAO.

It's certainly plausible.

I just thought of a new movie poster to do on this one.

Wolf
01-09-2011, 04:53 PM
don't worry guys and gals, there is a website already ready for the enjoyment for the future

http://firewadephillips.com/

J_R
01-10-2011, 01:58 AM
Wade's first day today. He will start by recommending coaches to Kubiak so Kubiak can interview them. Although names have 'leaked' out elsewhere, none given here (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7373653.html). As previously reported, not allowed to talk to LB coach Reggie Herring.

HOU-TEX
01-10-2011, 11:10 AM
Not sure I like Kubiak doing the interviewing for defensive-minded personel.

houstonspartan
01-10-2011, 12:05 PM
Wade's first day today. He will start by recommending coaches to Kubiak so Kubiak can interview them. Although names have 'leaked' out elsewhere, none given here (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7373653.html). As previously reported, not allowed to talk to LB coach Reggie Herring.

Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.

Jesus, has this team learned ANYTHING?

HJam72
01-10-2011, 12:11 PM
Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.

Jesus, has this team learned ANYTHING?

I agree. This makes no sense.

michaelm
01-10-2011, 12:19 PM
Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.

Jesus, has this team learned ANYTHING?


I agree. This makes no sense.

Seriously? Man people are trying hard to be critical these days.
The guy in charge should interview coaching candidates. I'm sure Kubiak will defer to Wade's decision on who is hired. You guys are reaching. IMO.

MojoX
01-10-2011, 12:59 PM
Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.

Jesus, has this team learned ANYTHING?

Yes, they learned from the Chris Palmer/Dom Capers days that is important a head coach is in on staff decisions, that he be able to trust who he's got. Anyway, Kubiak and McNair have said this is a group process. What is so hard for folks to accept about that? Kubiak has to work with these guys too, so he should be involved. But the team has already said they are intend that Phillips will get the guys he wants.

OzzO
01-10-2011, 01:28 PM
Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.


I think it has to do with Wade coaching the East/West game...or so I may recall that was related.

Thorn
01-10-2011, 01:34 PM
Why is Kubiak going anywhere near the defensive staff? Wade should simply tell him who he's hiring and call it a day.

Jesus, has this team learned ANYTHING?

Doesn't mean that Kubiak is approving anything, just means he is interviewing. And as head coach, it's his job. McNair has already said that Wade will have a wide latitude on hiring his staff. I don't see anything here to be suspicious of.