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Goatcheese
01-03-2011, 11:42 PM
The Texans offense can only play for one half. For the last two years we've heard this repeated a lot around here so I wanted to go and take a look at the numbers.

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

So the answer appears to be a rather loud and annoyed "YES!"

The next question I asked was "Is that normal?"

So I looked at the top 10 offenses this season to see how they measured up in this category:

All scores are based on box scores. Special teams/defensive scores may increase these numbers(but that would only help my argument).

#1 offense Chargers
10 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#2 offense Eagles
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#4 offense Colts
9 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#5 Offense Giants
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#6 offense Saints
17 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#7 offense Cowboys
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#8 offense Patriots
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#9 offense Packers
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#10 offense Raiders
16 Halves with 10 or fewer points

I was somewhat surprised since I have often wondered why the Texans can't put two solid halves together like the "good" offenses. It turns out that it isn't abnormal in the least. No team scored eleven or more points in every half, and the best was the Colts with just nine halves with ten or less. Four of the nine teams were better, three equal and two worse.

It's an area where we would all like to see improvement, but it isn't a sign of a bad team/offense.

Texanmike02
01-04-2011, 12:37 AM
The Texans offense can only play for one half. For the last two years we've heard this repeated a lot around here so I wanted to go and take a look at the numbers.

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

So the answer appears to be a rather loud and annoyed "YES!"

The next question I asked was "Is that normal?"

So I looked at the top 10 offenses this season to see how they measured up in this category:

All scores are based on box scores. Special teams/defensive scores may increase these numbers(but that would only help my argument).

#1 offense Chargers
10 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#2 offense Eagles
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#4 offense Colts
9 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#5 Offense Giants
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#6 offense Saints
17 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#7 offense Cowboys
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#8 offense Patriots
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#9 offense Packers
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#10 offense Raiders
16 Halves with 10 or fewer points

I was somewhat surprised since I have often wondered why the Texans can't put two solid halves together like the "good" offenses. It turns out that it isn't abnormal in the least. No team scored eleven or more points in every half, and the best was the Colts with just nine halves with ten or less. Four of the nine teams were better, three equal and two worse.

It's an area where we would all like to see improvement, but it isn't a sign of a bad team/offense.

Stats are for losers.

Mike

Texanmike02
01-04-2011, 12:38 AM
OK. Just kidding.

Very good job actually. This is an example of people being able to use statistics to analyze a situation instead of using a situation to generate statistics. Thank you for taking the time to do this.

Mike

sometexansfan
01-04-2011, 03:28 AM
Very interesting, of course when you have a defense as bad as ours, there's no room for bad halves unfortunately.

Malloy
01-04-2011, 03:50 AM
Definately interesting at a glance, but as you yourself mention, there are so many other factors playing in that it 'may' dilute any actual conclusion.

Good indicator though!

Wolf
01-04-2011, 04:47 AM
I was wondering about this perception or was it because we had a one quarter defense

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2011, 06:24 AM
The Texans offense can only play for one half. For the last two years we've heard this repeated a lot around here so I wanted to go and take a look at the numbers.

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

So the answer appears to be a rather loud and annoyed "YES!"

The next question I asked was "Is that normal?"

So I looked at the top 10 offenses this season to see how they measured up in this category:

All scores are based on box scores. Special teams/defensive scores may increase these numbers(but that would only help my argument).

#1 offense Chargers
10 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#2 offense Eagles
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#3 offense Texans
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#4 offense Colts
9 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#5 Offense Giants
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#6 offense Saints
17 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#7 offense Cowboys
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#8 offense Patriots
12 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#9 offense Packers
15 Halves with 10 or fewer points

#10 offense Raiders
16 Halves with 10 or fewer points

I was somewhat surprised since I have often wondered why the Texans can't put two solid halves together like the "good" offenses. It turns out that it isn't abnormal in the least. No team scored eleven or more points in every half, and the best was the Colts with just nine halves with ten or less. Four of the nine teams were better, three equal and two worse.

It's an area where we would all like to see improvement, but it isn't a sign of a bad team/offense.

lol Great post. All the haters scream "YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE WHOLE GAME STUPIDAK!!!!", yet conveniently only count the first half when it comes to scoring. heheh Really, you couldn't make it up... :redface:

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 08:43 AM
Definately interesting at a glance, but as you yourself mention, there are so many other factors playing in that it 'may' dilute any actual conclusion.

Good indicator though!


I was wondering about this perception or was it because we had a one quarter defense

We're only looking at points.

My argument, is that we have trouble staying on the field. I'd like to know how many 3 & outs we've had as a team, compared to others. I'd like to know how many have we had in one particular half than the other teams.

The Raider game specifically, if we could have stayed on the field as an offense, & not just throw the ball away on third downs... the raiders wouldn't have been close in the first half alone.

The Giants game is another one that bothered me. The defense was truly awful that first half, but they came out in the 3rd Qtr & put a beating on the Giants, causing 2 turnovers & a 3 & out in their first three possessions. We only got 7 points out of that, because the offense couldn't move the ball.... couldn't get into field goal range. The only score, was because our defense put the offense on the 17.

I agree, we need a defense that can do that more often. Heck, a special teams that could get us favorable field position more often would be nice as well....... something else we were missing in 2010.

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2011, 09:14 AM
We're only looking at points.

My argument, is that we have trouble staying on the field. I'd like to know how many 3 & outs we've had as a team, compared to others. I'd like to know how many have we had in one particular half than the other teams.



During the Ravens game they showed a graphic that stated we were 2nd behind JAX with fewest 3 and outs in the league. I don't think it changed too much from that point.

HTown2ATX
01-04-2011, 09:21 AM
lol Great post. All the haters scream "YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE WHOLE GAME STUPIDAK!!!!", yet conveniently only count the first half when it comes to scoring. heheh Really, you couldn't make it up... :redface:

^.....gonna need a plunger for this one..... :flush:

:slapfight:

Dishman
01-04-2011, 09:33 AM
lol Great post. All the haters scream "YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE WHOLE GAME STUPIDAK!!!!", yet conveniently only count the first half when it comes to scoring. heheh Really, you couldn't make it up... :redface:

I take it you believe everything will be fixed and we are play-off bound with a real defense? Is this right?

HOU-TEX
01-04-2011, 09:35 AM
Thanks for the time and effort, Goatcheese. Interesting. +Rep

TexanBacker93
01-04-2011, 09:37 AM
Nice research.

One thing I've thought about with our "1 half" of offense is that it might be because the defense is giving up long, time wasting drives that leaves the offense with little time to generate anything. A lack of scoring isn't always a result of a bad offense, but a case of not having the opportunity.

I've wanted to look at the number of 3 and outs our offense had compared to others around the league and compared to how many our defense forces. I'm willing to bet our defense forced the fewest this season.

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2011, 09:38 AM
I take it you believe everything will be fixed and we are play-off bound with a real defense? Is this right?

No. I believe the problems are deeper than that and the root cause is at the scouting/personnel level. Kubiak has been in charge of offensive personnel and Smith in charge of defensive (as per Lance Z, Justice and Jabba) so you can draw your own conclusions from there.

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 09:48 AM
During the Ravens game they showed a graphic that stated we were 2nd behind JAX with fewest 3 and outs in the league. I don't think it changed too much from that point.

That's got to be defensively.

infantrycak
01-04-2011, 10:06 AM
Haven't found a 3 and out stat but the Texans were 2nd in the league on 1st downs per game and 9th in the league on 3rd down conversion %. They were also 3rd on yards per game while being 15th in plays from scrimmage. We were 28th in the league in number of punts. Those numbers do not point to the Texans having lots of 3 and outs.

Surreal McCoy
01-04-2011, 10:12 AM
That's got to be defensively.


If it was defensively I wouldn't have bothered responding as that's not what you were asking.

TheCD
01-04-2011, 10:51 AM
Haven't found a 3 and out stat but the Texans were 2nd in the league on 1st downs per game and 9th in the league on 3rd down conversion %. They were also 3rd on yards per game while being 15th in plays from scrimmage. We were 28th in the league in number of punts. Those numbers do not point to the Texans having lots of 3 and outs.

I think that inversely answers the 3-and-out question.

My questions are where does our offense lie in terms of points per game...and, more importantly, why does our offense seem to play well only when its ass is on fire.

Dutchrudder
01-04-2011, 11:00 AM
I think that inversely answers the 3-and-out question.

My questions are where does our offense lie in terms of points per game...and, more importantly, why does our offense seem to play well only when its ass is on fire.

We were 9th overall in points scored with 24.4 per game.

Our defense on the other hand, was 29th in points allowed with 26.7 per game. (This includes special teams scores against and INTs/fumbles returned for TD)

eriadoc
01-04-2011, 11:26 AM
You counted the last two years, right? My problem with the Texans this year, as opposed to last, is how many first halves they blew. Last year, you never knew which half they'd show up, but they were often playing from ahead, which allowed the defense to play a lot looser. Last year, they would play from behind sometimes (early in the year vs. ARI), they would almost squander some leads (SF, MIA), and they blew some teams out. This year, it was a LOT of playing from behind after wasting the entire first half of a game. The defense sucked, but the offense did them no favors at all.

CloakNNNdagger
01-04-2011, 11:32 AM
Thanks for the interesting post, Goatcheese. I just wonder how many of the teams noted have how many 0 score quarters.

For anyone interested, I came across a software that can analyze a lot of NFL stats pretty nicely. Apparently, it is one the bookies use.LINK (http://www.jimsquest.com/) (check out NFL Ferret looks especially interesting)

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 12:19 PM
Haven't found a 3 and out stat but the Texans were 2nd in the league on 1st downs per game and 9th in the league on 3rd down conversion %. They were also 3rd on yards per game while being 15th in plays from scrimmage. We were 28th in the league in number of punts. Those numbers do not point to the Texans having lots of 3 and outs.

Well that blows that out of the water.

thunderkyss
01-04-2011, 12:23 PM
Another theory breaker......

We were 22nd in TOP/game. In & of itself, not a very good stat in our favor.

But the New England Patriots with many of the same problems we had.. injury on defense..... young secondary.... Pro Bowl rookie CB (well maybe not that one)...... were ranked 23rd.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-04-2011, 12:31 PM
More like a 3 quarter team.

53 points in the first quarter which is 3.3 points per game. Shut out 9 times in the first quarter.

We scored 390 points this season.

tedr
01-04-2011, 12:42 PM
Very good research. Thanks for taking the time to look that up.

I really don't have a problem with how many points we scored, but I do think when you score does have an effect on the outcome. I think our defense was obviously the major problem this year, as do most others, but, the offense put even more pressure on the defense by starting out slowly so much of the year.

DonnyMost
01-04-2011, 01:18 PM
Wait a minute.

This says "halves".

Doesn't specify which "half".

So for example, if the Saints are ahead by 3 scores going into halftime, and only score 7 more points in the 2nd half as they ice the game away... that isn't exactly the same as the Texans farting out 7 points in the first half, being down by 3 scores, then having to go apescatwombat to rally to lose in the second half.

Misleading stat is misleading.

TheCD
01-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Another theory breaker......

We were 22nd in TOP/game. In & of itself, not a very good stat in our favor.

But the New England Patriots with many of the same problems we had.. injury on defense..... young secondary.... Pro Bowl rookie CB (well maybe not that one)...... were ranked 23rd.

I haven't watched too many Pats games this year, but could their TOP be due to quick-scoring drives since they are not predicated on running the ball?

Dutchrudder
01-04-2011, 03:05 PM
I haven't watched too many Pats games this year, but could their TOP be due to quick-scoring drives since they are not predicated on running the ball?

That and their D/STs scored a good amount of touchdowns this year. 6 Defensive TDs (2nd) and 3 return TDs (tied 1st). 25 INTs (1st) and 13 fumble recoveries (tied 7th).

ensign_lee
01-04-2011, 03:27 PM
That and their D/STs scored a good amount of touchdowns this year. 6 Defensive TDs (2nd) and 3 return TDs (tied 1st). 25 INTs (1st) and 13 fumble recoveries (tied 7th).

Yeah, being an ungodly +26 in turnovers will help with that.

It's crazy the disparity in the success of the Patriots and Texans when you see that they're built extremely similarly.