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Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 08:06 PM
The end of football season is a downer usually but some years (2005 for instance, this year as well) it comes as a relief. I was tired of watching these losers find new ways to screw up games they had put away so I'm on a kind of high note now. Not because they won, screw that. That win was pure garbage time stats and meaningless posturing. I'm happy because they're done embarrassing themselves and the city of Houston for the year. Beating Jacksonville without Garrard and MJD is like winning the Academy Award for Best Actor the year the only other nominee is Larry the Cable Guy. Despite their "Let's Save Gary" effort (which was missing for most of the year) they still suck. When I watched them all standing on the sidelines slapping each other on the back and grinning ear to ear all I could think of was "Screw you guys. Screw you all".

I think I may have just officially checked out as a Houston Texans fan.

Now in a day or two (maybe even later tonight if Bob can't hold his water) we'll hear about how Gary went through hell this year with all kinds of things that were beyond his control and how Bob still believes in him and all that other bullshit he spins when he thinks he knows what he's talking about and he'll tell us Gary's coming back. He'll tell us that he's going to get Gary a brand new "proven" DC with new assistant coaches wherever they're needed and next year is going to be one heck of a ride. After all the kids didn't quit did they? I can hear him saying "Why you would have thought they were playing for a playoff spot from the way they looked in that game!" Heck maybe Jerry Jones will call him and put in a good word for Wade.

That won't ruin my offseason though. It was ruined the moment he said we were on the right track following the Ravens raping. That gushing love letter to the worst head coach in our division, conference, and possibly the entire NFL was all I needed to hear to know that this team is unfixable. It cannot be righted. It cannot be put straight. The Texans are a franchise trapped in the Twilight Zone of professional football. Inheritors of the aura of suck left by the Houston Oilers and graced with the crown of futility left by a crowd of New Orleans Katrina refugees who were no doubt Saints fans through their many years of frustration and ineptitude. The Texans are beyond salvation.

Dom Capers couldn't field a good 3-4 here. When has Dom Capers not been able to field a good 3-4 defense?

Alex Gibbs couldn't build a line that could generate a running game here. When has Alex Gibbs not been able to build a cut-blocking weapon of destruction?

Gary Kubiak can't create an offense here that consistently shows up from week to week or even quarter to quarter?

The Texans are "wrong" people. They're like that little kid "Gage" from Pet Sematary who "came back wrong". NFL football in Houston came back wrong after the Oilers left. Maybe Reliant Stadium was built too close to the dome? Maybe we should have torn the dome down before Reliant went up? Somehow the Texans got bad mojo in their veins though and in the process they became the New Orleans Saints of the 21st Century.

My offseason now consists of two stages. First there's pre-Kubiak gets fired or given another year time where I am just my usual unhappy we aren't playing Texans fan thinking about the draft. Second there's the post Kubiak gets fired or given another year time which goes one of two possibly wildly divergent ways.

Fired and I've got hope. I wait for the draft, dread a lockout, and care about what kind of moves our new HC makes.

Given more time though means I see no hope for this team..... ever. The only response I can think of to that is to stop following the NFL entirely. I watched no football at all from the day the Oilers announced they were moving until 2002. I didn't mind it much at all. I can't imagine I'll care even that much about the Texans. Then I thought I was losing a real NFL football team. Giving up on the Texans should be much easier since I care so much less about them. They're like the Diet Coke of NFL Football teams. Only 1 calorie. Not "NFL" enough. I mean, there are no amazing highs in their history to go with all their devastating lows. Just more even more devastating lows beyond the ones we just went through.

I think in a day or two I'll be laying this aside entirely guys. If Bob can't tell that Gary needs to go then I'm pretty sure that's for the best.

If Vinny can walk away from "all of this" then I think I can too. He might even be on to something.

ThaShark316
01-02-2011, 08:11 PM
*subscribes*

GNTLEWOLF
01-02-2011, 08:13 PM
The end of football season is a downer usually but some years (2005 for instance, this year as well) it comes as a relief. I was tired of watching these losers find new ways to screw up games they had put away so I'm on a kind of high note now. Not because they won, screw that. That win was pure garbage time stats and meaningless posturing. I'm happy because they're done embarrassing themselves and the city of Houston for the year. Beating Jacksonville without Garrard and MJD is like winning the Academy Award for Best Actor the year the only other nominee is Larry the Cable Guy. Despite their "Let's Save Gary" effort (which was missing for most of the year) they still suck. When I watched them all standing on the sidelines slapping each other on the back and grinning ear to ear all I could think of was "Screw you guys. Screw you all".

I think I may have just officially checked out as a Houston Texans fan.

Now in a day or two (maybe even later tonight if Bob can't hold his water) we'll hear about how Gary went through hell this year with all kinds of things that were beyond his control and how Bob still believes in him and all that other bullshit he spins when he thinks he knows what he's talking about and he'll tell us Gary's coming back. He'll tell us that he's going to get Gary a brand new "proven" DC with new assistant coaches wherever they're needed and next year is going to be one heck of a ride. After all the kids didn't quit did they? I can hear him saying "Why you would have thought they were playing for a playoff spot from the way they looked in that game!" Heck maybe Jerry Jones will call him and put in a good word for Wade.

That won't ruin my offseason though. It was ruined the moment he said we were on the right track following the Ravens raping. That gushing love letter to the worst head coach in our division, conference, and possibly the entire NFL was all I needed to hear to know that this team is unfixable. It cannot be righted. It cannot be put straight. The Texans are a franchise trapped in the Twilight Zone of professional football. Inheritors of the aura of suck left by the Houston Oilers and graced with the crown of futility left by a crowd of New Orleans Katrina refugees who were no doubt Saints fans through their many years of frustration and ineptitude. The Texans are beyond salvation.

Dom Capers couldn't field a good 3-4 here. When has Dom Capers not been able to field a good 3-4 defense?

Alex Gibbs couldn't build a line that could generate a running game here. When has Alex Gibbs not been able to build a cut-blocking weapon of destruction?

Gary Kubiak can't create an offense here that consistently shows up from week to week or even quarter to quarter?

The Texans are "wrong" people. They're like that little kid "Gage" from Pet Sematary who "came back wrong". NFL football in Houston came back wrong after the Oilers left. Maybe Reliant Stadium was built too close to the dome? Maybe we should have torn the dome down before Reliant went up? Somehow the Texans got bad mojo in their veins though and in the process they became the New Orleans Saints of the 21st Century.

My offseason now consists of two stages. First there's pre-Kubiak gets fired or given another year time where I am just my usual unhappy we aren't playing Texans fan thinking about the draft. Second there's the post Kubiak gets fired or given another year time which goes one of two possibly wildly divergent ways.

Fired and I've got hope. I wait for the draft, dread a lockout, and care about what kind of moves our new HC makes.

Given more time though means I see no hope for this team..... ever. The only response I can think of to that is to stop following the NFL entirely. I watched no football at all from the day the Oilers announced they were moving until 2002. I didn't mind it much at all. I can't imagine I'll care even that much about the Texans. Then I thought I was losing a real NFL football team. Giving up on the Texans should be much easier since I care so much less about them. I mean, there are no amazing highs in their history to go with all their devastating lows.

I think in a day or two I'll be laying this aside entirely guys. If Bob can't tell that Gary needs to go then I'm pretty sure that's for the best.

If Vinny can walk away from "all of this" then I think I can too. He might even be on to something.

You are living in my head

DX-TEX
01-02-2011, 08:15 PM
Understand your view and I would agree with you except I just got a pimp new Texans varsity jacket for Xmas from the wife. :(

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-02-2011, 08:18 PM
http://www.baronbob.com/tshirt-funnyfedup.jpg

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Herv, I've usually enjoed and respected your posts. After this one, I say **** you. Go be a cowgirls fan. I've been a Houston fan my entire life. I missed maybe 5 home games for the Oilers from '76-85. I've suffered as much as any fan of Houston football ever has. The only thing that has ever made me think of not being a Houston fan is a work stoppage for the '11 season. They do that, then I forget the NFL.
If you want to check out as a Houston fan, take off. The bandwagon will be large when they are winning and you want to come back.
My weeks, during football season, have been ruled by how the Houston team does. This year, I made a commitment that it wouldn't. I never missed a game. Even when I was in China, Bangladesh or Venezuela. I stayed up and watched my team on the internet win or lose. I just didn't let it ruin my whole life when they lost. You don't have a damned thing more wrapped up in this team than the rest of us. I say good riddance and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.
Don't walk away...run.

Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 08:19 PM
And "Uber Fan" shows up. Good for you man. You dig in and get some.

thunderkyss
01-02-2011, 08:22 PM
I think McNair is going to put his foot down, tell Gary he has to get rid of Frank Bush.

I don't think Gary is going to do it. McNair will have no choice, but let Gary go.

I say this, because that is what McNair likes about Gary, that he does the "right" thing.

McNair won't have a choice.

Hookem Horns
01-02-2011, 08:26 PM
The Texans are "wrong" people. They're like that little kid "Gage" from Pet Sematary who "came back wrong". NFL football in Houston came back wrong after the Oilers left.

LOL, love that analogy.

Oilers leaving ...

http://www.stardusttrailers.com/gallery_film/Pet_Sematary(190610202305)pet_sematary_4.jpg

Texans coming ... unfortunately the dude on the floor is the Texans fan base.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bGJTTseeKNg/SZ_01kiJU5I/AAAAAAAACUg/cnOEZitjAec/s400/PET_SEMATARY-33.jpg

DX-TEX
01-02-2011, 08:26 PM
I think McNair is going to put his foot down, tell Gary he has to get rid of Frank Bush.

I don't think Gary is going to do it. McNair will have no choice, but let Gary go.

I say this, because that is what McNair likes about Gary, that he does the "right" thing.

McNair won't have a choice.

I saw a clip of Kubiaks conference on SNF and I think I agree with you. When he said he asked Bob to just let him have fun this week and they would talk Monday he looked like someone just killed his puppy.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 08:27 PM
I put up with the Oilers when I started watching football, so I am used to the disappointment.

nothing I can do but be in a wait and see mode with the coaching scenario because when the season starts again, I will be watching

I am a sucker for punishment

Rey
01-02-2011, 08:28 PM
I will be a fan of the team as long as the team is here in Houston...I'm just a fan of Houston and everything it's about...

I don't care if it's the Texans, Rockets, Coogs athletics, or the dearly departed Comets (may they RIP)....I will root for anything Houston and I want to see them represent our city well...

Yes the Texans have dissapointed me...Yes I understand a lot of what Herv is saying...I do not agree with some of it, but I get where he is coming from...

One thing I will never, ever do though is bash another person for their perspective...I will never get upset with another fan that decides to handle the teams ineptitude by turning their back on them...

That is his perogative...His choice...

Not sure why anyone would show anger towards him...Why do you care what he does with his fandom ????

Just do you and move on.

TexansFanatic
01-02-2011, 08:29 PM
If Vinny can walk away from "all of this" then I think I can too. He might even be on to something.

Is that what happened to Vinny?

I've been wondering why he's been absent for so long. Good for him. Man, if there was ever somebody who was ALL IN it was him. For him to be able to just get up and leave really says something about his confidence in his own conviction.

I think the key to being a happy Texans fan is simply not to devote as much time and/or money to the team. I'll continue being a fan but I won't be putting aside time or resources to that end. I'll be watching from the corner of my eye.

But to continue to give Bob McNair your money for his substandard product is simply asking for more of the same.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2011, 08:33 PM
The end of football season is a downer usually but some years (2005 for instance, this year as well) it comes as a relief. I was tired of watching these losers find new ways to screw up games they had put away so I'm on a kind of high note now. Not because they won, screw that. That win was pure garbage time stats and meaningless posturing. I'm happy because they're done embarrassing themselves and the city of Houston for the year. Beating Jacksonville without Garrard and MJD is like winning the Academy Award for Best Actor the year the only other nominee is Larry the Cable Guy. Despite their "Let's Save Gary" effort (which was missing for most of the year) they still suck. When I watched them all standing on the sidelines slapping each other on the back and grinning ear to ear all I could think of was "Screw you guys. Screw you all".


I didn't really have a problem with that. It looked like they were all congratulating A. Foster and he deserved it. This season was a colossal failure, but Foster never stopped running hard for us, so I was happy for him too.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:34 PM
And "Uber Fan" shows up. Good for you man. You dig in and get some.

It's not uberfan, Herv. I'm just as sick and disgusted by this season as anyone. I'm just not one to quit on my home team. I only quit on the Oilers because they quit being my hometown team. I'm a fan of my hometown team. Like it or not, they're who I root for. It's almost genetic. I simply can't root for another team. If you don't want to root for them, then by all means, walk away. I'm not a Kubiak homer. I'm extremely unhappy that he will be back....unless they win it all next year.
I sincerely hope you change your mind. Your insight and opinions have been thoroughly enjoyed on this board. It's just that I, for one, can't stand a quitter. How good do you think Saints fans felt last year or Buc's fans felt before that? How bittersweet was it for you when the tacks went to the Super Bowl? I rooted my ass off for the Rams but I had a hard time with it.
McNair isn't the problem Hell, he's the reason we're even having this arguement. Do you seriously think he made enough money to buy an NFL franchise by being a business *****?

midway
01-02-2011, 08:35 PM
I think the key to being a happy Texans fan is simply not to devote as much time and/or money to the team. I'll continue being a fan but I won't be putting aside time or resources to that end. I'll be watching from the corner of my eye.

That's what makes me the most disappointed. Everyone knows that to be really happy as a Texans fan, you can't really care too much, otherwise it will just be disappointment.

Texan Asylum
01-02-2011, 08:36 PM
I'm not a football fan...I don't watch other games...I don't follow other players...I'm not a stats guru by no means...and I don't understand all the intricacies and rules about about football...but I AM a Houston football fan. I have been all my life. I will always be a Houston football fan...not matter which team fills the spot.

Oiler first, Texans second. I've grown accustomed to heartache.

Thankfully I have Jayhawk basketball!

Nawzer
01-02-2011, 08:38 PM
I've lost a lot of interest and enthusiasm for the Texans as the season progressed. I haven't been watching the Texans regularly the last 4 or 5 weeks and today I watched the game simply because it was the last game of the season. I don't know what the team will do in the offseason to restore faith among its fanbase, but the only cure is winning and winning big. I'll continue to be a fan but maybe not so emotionally invested anymore until they can show me that they can win.

Hookem Horns
01-02-2011, 08:38 PM
McNair isn't the problem Hell, he's the reason we're even having this arguement. Do you seriously think he made enough money to buy an NFL franchise by being a business *****?

If he fires Kubiak tomorrow then I will agree with this statement. If he doesn't then indeed McNair IS the problem.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:40 PM
That's what makes me the most disappointed. Everyone knows that to be really happy as a Texans fan, you can't really care too much, otherwise it will just be disappointment. I disagree with that. I'm a huge fan and I've let the Texan's season run my life for a few years. I stopped that this year. That doesn't mean I care less, just that I've matured somewhat as a person. What kind of loser lives so vicariously through a pro sports team that a win or loss affects their life? That's just sad and I've been just sad for years and years. I don't accept mediocrity. I'm not happy with losing. I'm also not going to pull for a team other than my hometown team.

Carr Bombed
01-02-2011, 08:40 PM
If he fires Kubiak tomorrow then I will agree with this statement. If he doesn't then indeed McNair IS the problem.

yep

Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 08:44 PM
I've lost a lot of interest and enthusiasm for the Texans as the season progressed. I haven't been watching the Texans regularly the last 4 or 5 weeks and today I watched the game simply because it was the last game of the season. I don't know what the team will do in the offseason to restore faith among its fanbase, but the only cure is winning and winning big. I'll continue to be a fan but maybe not so emotionally invested anymore until they can show me that they can win.

I got up in the middle of it and went with my wife to Petsmart to go get dog food. I came back and watched the last 8-9 minutes of it. Didn't really care that much what happened.

The Oilers were my team. I cared about them. When they left I didn't care about the Titans or anybody else but I learned that life without being a "die hard fan" of a football team is just fine. I guess I learned that I'm not nearly so into it as I thought I was. I've been trying to shoehorn the Texans into the spot vacated by the Oilers for 9 years. It never has truly taken and now I understand that it never will. Part of that is because they aren't the Oilers I see through rose colored glasses and never will be. Part of it is because I don't care about the sport as much as I did then.

Oh yeah, and part of it is because they ****ing suck!

TexansFanatic
01-02-2011, 08:45 PM
That's what makes me the most disappointed. Everyone knows that to be really happy as a Texans fan, you can't really care too much, otherwise it will just be disappointment.

Eerily similar to being an Oiler fan. Or an Astros fan. Or a Rockets fan (two championships 15 years ago notwithstanding).

We Houston fans share a wry sense of humor known only to those who've been repeatedly defeated in fantastic fashion.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:46 PM
I think McNair is going to put his foot down, tell Gary he has to get rid of Frank Bush.

I don't think Gary is going to do it. McNair will have no choice, but let Gary go.

I say this, because that is what McNair likes about Gary, that he does the "right" thing.

McNair won't have a choice. I disagree. Kubiak will fire Bush, hire Phillips (because he doesn't have a choice) and we'll see what we see next year.
The bigger question is what kind of D Phillips will try to run. We have nothing like a 3-4 NT on our roster. Do we try to draft one? I can see MW as a 3-4 OLB. I can see Smith as an OLB, but Barwin would be better. DL is our biggest obstacle to being a 3-4 D. It is also our 2nd biggest obstacle to being a good-great 4-3 D. I need to research the draft before I can comment on it.

axman40
01-02-2011, 08:48 PM
While reading this song came to my mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lBXlKynN0I&feature=player_embedded#!

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:50 PM
So I get neg rep for disagreeing with you, Herv. I know exactly what the thread title says and I also know that disagreement comes with the territory. I stand by my post and could not possibly care less about rep. You guys go have a "we hate the Texans" orgy. Us FANS will still be here when you get back.

gary
01-02-2011, 08:52 PM
Either you enjoy football for fun or you don't but if you are in for the texans then do not watch but I enjoy both football and the Texans. Just don't bother anymore but these types of threads are kind of silly IMHO.

houstonhurricane
01-02-2011, 08:53 PM
So I get neg rep for disagreeing with you, Herv. I know exactly what the thread title says and I also know that disagreement comes with the territory. I stand by my post and could not possibly care less about rep. You guys go have a "we hate the Texans" orgy. Us FANS will still be here when you get back.

He probably did that because you told him to ******* off. If you don't let football run your life anymore, why would you make such an idiotic statement to another poster?

HJam72
01-02-2011, 08:53 PM
http://www.baronbob.com/tshirt-funnyfedup.jpg

Where can I buy this? :)

Mr. White
01-02-2011, 08:53 PM
So I get neg rep for disagreeing with you, Herv. I know exactly what the thread title says and I also know that disagreement comes with the territory. I stand by my post and could not possibly care less about rep. You guys go have a "we hate the Texans" orgy. Us FANS will still be here when you get back.

If "**** you" isn't asking for neg rep, I don't know what does.

That's a little more than disagreeing.

Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 08:54 PM
So I get neg rep for disagreeing with you, Herv. I know exactly what the thread title says and I also know that disagreement comes with the territory. I stand by my post and could not possibly care less about rep. You guys go have a "we hate the Texans" orgy. Us FANS will still be here when you get back.

I didn't give it to you and I don't agree with it. I get them from time to time (probably get a couple for this thread). They mean nothing though.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 08:55 PM
He probably did that because you told him to ******* off. If you don't let football run your life anymore, why would you make such an idiotic statement to another poster?

Herv didn't give me neg rep. He's too pro for that. It was others that thought I shouldn't post because Herv "warned" me in the title

Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 08:56 PM
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/1292552240467.jpg

HoustonFrog
01-02-2011, 08:56 PM
It's not uberfan, Herv. I'm just as sick and disgusted by this season as anyone. I'm just not one to quit on my home team. I only quit on the Oilers because they quit being my hometown team. I'm a fan of my hometown team. Like it or not, they're who I root for. It's almost genetic. I simply can't root for another team. If you don't want to root for them, then by all means, walk away. I'm not a Kubiak homer. I'm extremely unhappy that he will be back....unless they win it all next year.
I sincerely hope you change your mind. Your insight and opinions have been thoroughly enjoyed on this board. It's just that I, for one, can't stand a quitter. How good do you think Saints fans felt last year or Buc's fans felt before that? How bittersweet was it for you when the tacks went to the Super Bowl? I rooted my ass off for the Rams but I had a hard time with it.
McNair isn't the problem Hell, he's the reason we're even having this arguement. Do you seriously think he made enough money to buy an NFL franchise by being a business *****?

This is what bothers me about people who give this guy a pass. EVERY owner in the NFL has cash through business. They are all rich!!!It doesn't mean they know jack crap about football or running a football team. Business is business. Knowing football and who to trust is another thing. From that perspective he is a major fail!!It is why some owners are winners and get it and others are losers who want to make money.

GREAT post Herv. I've tried to get on board for years as an outsider but so many years can you sit there waiting for someones lightbulb to turn on.

McNair could hire PeeWee Herman and get a pass because he brougt a team back and people show up and act like things are great. What happen to ...this is the year or else...3 years running

Lucky
01-02-2011, 08:57 PM
Herv, I've usually enjoed and respected your posts. After this one, I say **** you.
Maybe you missed the part of the title that stated "Just stay away if you aren't interested in that."

It would have been entirely appropriate for you to post a response as to why you are and will remain a fan of the team. That would have been great. But to attack another member's reasons for why they've had enough is uncalled for, and in your case against forum rules. Ordinarily, your post would have been taken down. However, Herv is uniquely capable of handling his own in regards to these types of provocations.

Herv, I get it. Being a fan of this team is like being in a bad relationship. It's bad, but it's the only one you've got. I don't exactly know the reasons why I hang on. I do know that you will be missed.

HJam72
01-02-2011, 08:58 PM
If "**** you" isn't asking for neg rep, I don't know what does.

**** me?

rmartin65
01-02-2011, 08:59 PM
You guys go have a "we hate the Texans" orgy. Us FANS will still be here when you get back.

Its shit like this that gets annoying.

I am fed up. I have not bought any Texans merchandise in a year. I used to, but decided to spend my money elsewhere. I saved up money to afford Sunday NFL ticket, but I wont cough up a dime after this season, unless real changes are made. I guess this makes me a "bad" fan because I dont fall in lockstep with the Texans brass. Because I dont agree with everything BL Bob says, or Kubiak does, I am a lesser fan than you.

That is a bunch of crap, but I dont need people telling me what I am or what I am not. I know I am a Texans fan.

NitroGSXR
01-02-2011, 08:59 PM
The end of football season is a downer usually but some years (2005 for instance, this year as well) it comes as a relief. I was tired of watching these losers find new ways to screw up games they had put away so I'm on a kind of high note now. Not because they won, screw that. That win was pure garbage time stats and meaningless posturing. I'm happy because they're done embarrassing themselves and the city of Houston for the year. Beating Jacksonville without Garrard and MJD is like winning the Academy Award for Best Actor the year the only other nominee is Larry the Cable Guy. Despite their "Let's Save Gary" effort (which was missing for most of the year) they still suck. When I watched them all standing on the sidelines slapping each other on the back and grinning ear to ear all I could think of was "Screw you guys. Screw you all".

I think I may have just officially checked out as a Houston Texans fan.

Now in a day or two (maybe even later tonight if Bob can't hold his water) we'll hear about how Gary went through hell this year with all kinds of things that were beyond his control and how Bob still believes in him and all that other bullshit he spins when he thinks he knows what he's talking about and he'll tell us Gary's coming back. He'll tell us that he's going to get Gary a brand new "proven" DC with new assistant coaches wherever they're needed and next year is going to be one heck of a ride. After all the kids didn't quit did they? I can hear him saying "Why you would have thought they were playing for a playoff spot from the way they looked in that game!" Heck maybe Jerry Jones will call him and put in a good word for Wade.

That won't ruin my offseason though. It was ruined the moment he said we were on the right track following the Ravens raping. That gushing love letter to the worst head coach in our division, conference, and possibly the entire NFL was all I needed to hear to know that this team is unfixable. It cannot be righted. It cannot be put straight. The Texans are a franchise trapped in the Twilight Zone of professional football. Inheritors of the aura of suck left by the Houston Oilers and graced with the crown of futility left by a crowd of New Orleans Katrina refugees who were no doubt Saints fans through their many years of frustration and ineptitude. The Texans are beyond salvation.

Dom Capers couldn't field a good 3-4 here. When has Dom Capers not been able to field a good 3-4 defense?

Alex Gibbs couldn't build a line that could generate a running game here. When has Alex Gibbs not been able to build a cut-blocking weapon of destruction?

Gary Kubiak can't create an offense here that consistently shows up from week to week or even quarter to quarter?

The Texans are "wrong" people. They're like that little kid "Gage" from Pet Sematary who "came back wrong". NFL football in Houston came back wrong after the Oilers left. Maybe Reliant Stadium was built too close to the dome? Maybe we should have torn the dome down before Reliant went up? Somehow the Texans got bad mojo in their veins though and in the process they became the New Orleans Saints of the 21st Century.

My offseason now consists of two stages. First there's pre-Kubiak gets fired or given another year time where I am just my usual unhappy we aren't playing Texans fan thinking about the draft. Second there's the post Kubiak gets fired or given another year time which goes one of two possibly wildly divergent ways.

Fired and I've got hope. I wait for the draft, dread a lockout, and care about what kind of moves our new HC makes.

Given more time though means I see no hope for this team..... ever. The only response I can think of to that is to stop following the NFL entirely. I watched no football at all from the day the Oilers announced they were moving until 2002. I didn't mind it much at all. I can't imagine I'll care even that much about the Texans. Then I thought I was losing a real NFL football team. Giving up on the Texans should be much easier since I care so much less about them. They're like the Diet Coke of NFL Football teams. Only 1 calorie. Not "NFL" enough. I mean, there are no amazing highs in their history to go with all their devastating lows. Just more even more devastating lows beyond the ones we just went through.

I think in a day or two I'll be laying this aside entirely guys. If Bob can't tell that Gary needs to go then I'm pretty sure that's for the best.

If Vinny can walk away from "all of this" then I think I can too. He might even be on to something.

Vinny = walked away like a man.

You = Goodbye thread.

Lol. Go Texans, Herv.

:fans: :texan: :logo:

houstonhurricane
01-02-2011, 09:01 PM
Herv didn't give me neg rep. He's too pro for that. It was others that thought I shouldn't post because Herv "warned" me in the title

Still should not have said what you did. The guy is on here venting and you pull that on him? Not appropriate.

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 09:04 PM
He probably did that because you told him to ******* off. If you don't let football run your life anymore, why would you make such an idiotic statement to another poster?

Actually it was me and I stand behind it. Herv has more cred around than that individual will ever have. Once more Herv has gone out of his way not to take cheap shots at other posters and limit his comments to the organization. He is the example of what this board used to be about back in the day. However, the hometown hero worshippers continue their bullying around here. I for one will stand up to it and will not take it anymore. In the 4-5 years I have been part of this community, I have never added anyone to my Ignore List until this year. It keeps growing every day now.

We used to have some knock down drag outs here in the past over HWWNBN and other subjects. However, until recently the members of this board were always respectful of each other. We debated, but we respected each other as well.

BTW..DocBar I can't read your PM. You're on the list. Have a nice life.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 09:05 PM
I didn't give it to you and I don't agree with it. I get them from time to time (probably get a couple for this thread). They mean nothing though.

I know you didn't. Herv. Like I said before, I have alot of respect for you. Or had until this thread.
I'm totally cool with bitching and griping about the team, but saying you're gonna completely quit on them gets me riled up. I PMed you my opinion, also.
I'm done with this shit. I'm going to pull for my Texans 100% every week, but I won't be back in here. I see a bunch of football idiots, myself included, posting a lot of pure bullshit punctuated by a few posts by people who really know what they're talking about. This has turned into something other than a reasonable place to posts thoughts about our team. I wholly include my posts in this. Have a nice life and GO TEXANS!!!!!!!

Wolf
01-02-2011, 09:05 PM
Its shit like this that gets annoying.

I am fed up. I have not bought any Texans merchandise in a year. I used to, but decided to spend my money elsewhere. I saved up money to afford Sunday NFL ticket, but I wont cough up a dime after this season, unless real changes are made. I guess this makes me a "bad" fan because I dont fall in lockstep with the Texans brass. Because I dont agree with everything BL Bob says, or Kubiak does, I am a lesser fan than you.

That is a bunch of crap, but I dont need people telling me what I am or what I am not. I know I am a Texans fan.

hell I can barely find any merchandise to buy in the hill country

Porky
01-02-2011, 09:06 PM
It's not uberfan, Herv. I'm just as sick and disgusted by this season as anyone. I'm just not one to quit on my home team. I only quit on the Oilers because they quit being my hometown team. I'm a fan of my hometown team. Like it or not, they're who I root for. It's almost genetic. I simply can't root for another team. If you don't want to root for them, then by all means, walk away. I'm not a Kubiak homer. I'm extremely unhappy that he will be back....unless they win it all next year.
I sincerely hope you change your mind. Your insight and opinions have been thoroughly enjoyed on this board. It's just that I, for one, can't stand a quitter. How good do you think Saints fans felt last year or Buc's fans felt before that? How bittersweet was it for you when the tacks went to the Super Bowl? I rooted my ass off for the Rams but I had a hard time with it.
McNair isn't the problem Hell, he's the reason we're even having this arguement. Do you seriously think he made enough money to buy an NFL franchise by being a business *****?

I don't think Herv is a quitter, I think McNair and the rest of the screw-ups on Kirby quit on him (and me, and a lot of other pissed off people)

gg no re
01-02-2011, 09:08 PM
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rmartin65
01-02-2011, 09:10 PM
hell I can barely find any merchandise to buy in the hill country

Try in Ohio. I had to order stuff from the Houston Texans website, which is expensive.

Porky
01-02-2011, 09:13 PM
It's not uberfan, Herv. I'm just as sick and disgusted by this season as anyone. I'm just not one to quit on my home team. I only quit on the Oilers because they quit being my hometown team. I'm a fan of my hometown team. Like it or not, they're who I root for. It's almost genetic. I simply can't root for another team. If you don't want to root for them, then by all means, walk away. I'm not a Kubiak homer. I'm extremely unhappy that he will be back....unless they win it all next year.
I sincerely hope you change your mind. Your insight and opinions have been thoroughly enjoyed on this board. It's just that I, for one, can't stand a quitter. How good do you think Saints fans felt last year or Buc's fans felt before that? How bittersweet was it for you when the tacks went to the Super Bowl? I rooted my ass off for the Rams but I had a hard time with it.
McNair isn't the problem Hell, he's the reason we're even having this arguement. Do you seriously think he made enough money to buy an NFL franchise by being a business *****?

Agreed. I also gave him well deserved neg rep. Herv is everything this board, or any message board should be about. And all these Kool-aid drinkers that say we are coming back on the bandwagon when they win - by that time, we will all be dead so it won't matter. Just ask Lions fans. :kubepalm:

Actually it was me and I stand behind it. Herv has more cred around than that individual will ever have. Once more Herv has gone out of his way not to take cheap shots at other posters and limit his comments to the organization. He is the example of what this board used to be about back in the day. However, the hometown hero worshippers continue their bullying around here. I for one will stand up to it and will not take it anymore. In the 4-5 years I have been part of this community, I have never added anyone to my Ignore List until this year. It keeps growing every day now.

We used to have some knock down drag outs here in the past over HWWNBN and other subjects. However, until recently the members of this board were always respectful of each other. We debated, but we respected each other as well.

BTW..DocBar I can't read your PM. You're on the list. Have a nice life.

OzzO
01-02-2011, 09:18 PM
http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab169/tamtheamazing/th_ScarJo_popcorn.gif

She's friggin MAGIC I tell ya!!! The popcorn just keep appearing in her hand!!!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-02-2011, 09:19 PM
I'm done with this shit. I'm going to pull for my Texans 100% every week, but I won't be back in here. I see a bunch of football idiots, myself included, posting a lot of pure bullshit punctuated by a few posts by people who really know what they're talking about. This has turned into something other than a reasonable place to posts thoughts about our team. I wholly include my posts in this. Have a nice life and GO TEXANS!!!!!!!



Quitter :heh:

IlliniJen
01-02-2011, 09:21 PM
I would rep this post if I could, Herv.

Hookem Horns
01-02-2011, 09:23 PM
Vinny = walked away like a man.

You = Goodbye thread.

Lol. Go Texans, Herv.

:fans: :texan: :logo:

First of all none of us really know what the deal is with Vinny. I think he had other issues than him just not liking the direction of the team.

The Texans have a clueless owner who is threatening to bring back an utterly clueless coach who is over his head. As I mentioned in another thread Kubiak has more than once said "I don't know" when asked what he was going to do to address problems. The guy sounds defeated when he talks and that trickles down to the entire team.

Either McNair isn't passionate about winning or he is just plain stupid when it comes to running a NFL franchise. I personally don't blame anyone for bailing if they do.

As for the "Texans haters orgy", it sounds like the only other option is getting bent over by Bob and his terrible product *.

*Disclaimer: The above post is contingent on McNair not firing Kubiak.

gary
01-02-2011, 09:25 PM
This whole board is starting to just plain suck IMHO.

TexansFight
01-02-2011, 09:29 PM
Was that really called for??

You are a Kool Aid drinker no doubt TK but you are not an uber fan dim wit. You have your position and state it respectfully. I could not disagree with you more but you add value.

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 09:30 PM
Was that really called for??

Agreed. I must have missed that on first read. We need to stop with the insults around here. We all just need to take a deep breath and exhale. The season of 6-10 is over. Let's just see what happens.

GP
01-02-2011, 09:30 PM
Goodbye posts are awkward.

Always generates this sort of cat fight. It's just the nature of the beast.

I am scared because IF McNair retains Kubiak, then it means a wasted 2011 (in my eyes) and I want at least ONE MORE head coach in here before I check out as a Texans fan myself.

The True Blue Crew, those fans who are "here for life, no matter what," don't factor into the equation that a major attraction for becoming a Texans fan was that we were going to finally have a great owner who wouldn't be full of annual shenanigans like Bud Adams. I mean, here was a business owner (McNair) who supposedly was going to assemble a great team here. Do it "the right way," etc.

I stand by my assertion that some of this world's WEALTHY people are just lucky to have stumbled upon the right situation at the right time. Not all. But some. Some wealthy people had connections, or had a name they were born with, and that got them connected to those who could get them in on the action. I've read rumors on here how Bob got rich off Enron....so without saying much more, I will say that there's a possible & plausible reason why Bob got his money and got him an NFL team. Not because he's a great builder of anything. But maybe because he was in the right place at the right time, and the perfect storm hit.

Therefore, DocBar, the answer is not always "Why, yes, if Bob is a billionaire then it means he is a brilliant brilliant man." No, sometimes it's because a doofus found his acorn while on a stroll one day...and then he parlays that into something else, etc. etc. It is entirely possible that Bob McNair is NOT the world's smartest man JUST because he is rich and owns a team.

It could be because Bob knows how to leverage something and make you come back for more. Sounds plausible to me. Has nothing to do with his football acumen and street smarts in regards to the NFL. No, it might just be that this franchise is owned and operated by a guy who is no more capable of building a winner than J-Lo is. It's entirely possible.

I think you bumped your head on a wasp nest when you gave Herv the obligatory "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" reply. While you're entitled to choose that path, if you so desire, it wasn't wise. Then again, if you are THAT adamant about your stance...I can see why you'd just lower your shoulder and plow right through it. And Herv? Well, he's gotta' know that somebody out there is going to smell blood in the water and go frenzy on it. Like I said, it's the nature of this beast (these "Goodbye" threads, that is).

Herv is here for maybe one more day, or whenever it is that the news comes down. I don't see him staying if Kubiak is here for 2011. I, too, will find it hard to contribute anything other than sarcastic criticism of everything Kubiak does in 2011 (if he is indeed back again).

I have a sliver of hope that McNair knows he can't sell this to the fans in 2011. Hopefully, the empty stadium today was a factor in his decision-making. From what I hear, it was pretty empty today and the fans were even strolling out early and not staying to cheer the team as much as a more appreciative crowd would have at the end of a season.

Someone was also saying they didn't see McNair down on the field walking around and patting people on the ass, either. Of course, that might be because McNair didn't want to field questions from on-field reporters.

In conclusion, I say this: Gods of football, hear our cries. Shine upon our team. Deliver to us a victory of the moral variety, since that's what we are accustomed to. And may 2011 be full of actual victories, weaning us off of milk and allowing us to eat solid food for once. Thank you, football Gods, for listening to us...and accept this burnt Vince Young football card as a token of our allegiance to our beloved Houston team.

NitroGSXR
01-02-2011, 09:32 PM
First of all none of us really know what the deal is with Vinny. I think he had other issues than him just not liking the direction of the team.

The Texans have a clueless owner who is threatening to bring back an utterly clueless coach who is over his head. As I mentioned in another thread Kubiak has more than once said "I don't know" when asked what he was going to do to address problems. The guy sounds defeated when he talks and that trickles down to the entire team.

Either McNair isn't passionate about winning or he is just plain stupid when it comes to running a NFL franchise. I personally don't blame anyone for bailing if they do.

As for the "Texans haters orgy", it sounds like the only other option is getting bent over by Bob and his terrible product *.

*Disclaimer: The above post is contingent on McNair not firing Kubiak.

Forget Vinny. The point I was trying to imprint... Just the fact that Herv made a "maybe goodbye thread" tells me he's probably not going anywhere. Ultimately I believe he's a frustrated "uber fan" like most of us.

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 09:32 PM
Appreciate it. But what the board was before and now is different to me. I'm the enemy to some...a Cowboy fan in Houston trying to support the Texans. In reality I learned this year that I really would LOVE to be behind this team as a hometown team....I've been here almost 17 years...a secondary team. But I can't It isn't that I'm waiting to bandwagon...I've been here 5 years. I'm waiting for a sign that the team has a clue. From Carr to coaching it is a constant mess that is ACCEPTED because football is back. I get ragged on about Jerry but I know his stance. I know he wants to win badly despite his sometimes horrible decisions. I've also followed them for 35 years.

I care more than I should, even after leaving this board for most of the season.

By the way, once Herv spoke his true words I knew people would come anyways

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3473/mothtosolarflame.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/i/mothtosolarflame.jpg/)


Lord knows I can't stand the Cowboys or Jerry Jones. However, I have to admit he is not afraid to make a change when it is needed. This organization needs a good dose of Jerry Jones right now. At least he knows poor performance when he sees it.

wagonhed
01-02-2011, 09:33 PM
Not interested in reading the thread first, I'm just posting here because I feel like being very negative.


I'm ****ing pissed about this win. I thought I would be indifferent but now I'm just ****ing annoyed. **** you, Kubiak. Seriously, the end of the season heroics just pisses me off more than anything. You deserved to lose the game but luckily you have players that don't suck as much as you do.

I'm completely fed up with this stupid ****ing coach and his terrible decisions. The personnel decisions are the worst of all. Hey what do you know, we have players that have sat on our roster all year that should have been starters to begin with. ****ing go figure.

I've never said I hated Kubiak, only that I want him no less than 1000 miles away from the Texans organization. But if the rumors are true and I have to put up with his incompetent ass for another year I'm pretty sure I'm going to go from thinking he is a shitty coach to just plain hating the guy. I don't want to look at him and I don't want to hear anything he says. Just ****ing go away.

DonnyMost
01-02-2011, 09:36 PM
Stay together... for the kids :(

GP
01-02-2011, 09:37 PM
Stay together... for the kids :(

LOL. See? This is why I stick around.

Someone other than me takes a chance on injecting some humor in here, and it makes the place smell delicious. Like a cajun butter injected deep-fried turkey.

Porky
01-02-2011, 09:37 PM
We just need to take it back and not tolerate the bullying and name calling anymore. The old guard is what made this board great. We can do it again.

Yup, I was here (on the previous board) before the Texans played a down. And so was Herv, Vinny, and a host of others. And to have people like Docbar call out someone like Herv just because he is tired of being screwed over by a clueless clown like McNair infuriates me.

You are right. The old guard that knows football and doesn't just bend over and take it, can take it back. The bigger question is why would we? We are checking out. The people that don't care about winning will be the only ones left. All they want to do is go put on some foolish hat with horns or some facepaint and try to get on TV. They are like the idiots on the first couple of weeks of American Idol. And McNair gladly counts on them to fill his coffers. Until THAT changes, he won't change. Hell, why would he? PT Barnum and Bob McNair both count on a sucker being born every minute.

houstonhurricane
01-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I now live in New York and it is amazing how many Giants fans are calling for Coughlin's head tonight - the guy whose team just finished 10-6 - because the team missed the playoffs again.

Knee-jerk and emotional, you bet. But the Giants' ownership knows what is expected and constantly feels the pressure to perform and appease their supporters. With our team, it is all about Toro and pep rallies rather than win at all costs - that is why McNair will keep Kubiak.

Kimmy
01-02-2011, 09:42 PM
So I get neg rep for disagreeing with you

I think the rep thing should be gone from the board completely .... JMO

I think it brings a lot of a.s.s kissing and it is meaningless to almost everyone other than those who have a lot ... Again .. Just my opinion

gary
01-02-2011, 09:43 PM
Not interested in reading the thread first, I'm just posting here because I feel like being very negative.


I'm ****ing pissed about this win. I thought I would be indifferent but now I'm just ****ing annoyed. **** you, Kubiak. Seriously, the end of the season heroics just pisses me off more than anything. You deserved to lose the game but luckily you have players that don't suck as much as you do.

I'm completely fed up with this stupid ****ing coach and his terrible decisions. The personnel decisions are the worst of all. Hey what do you know, we have players that have sat on our roster all year that should have been starters to begin with. ****ing go figure.

I've never said I hated Kubiak, only that I want him no less than 1000 miles away from the Texans organization. But if the rumors are true and I have to put up with his incompetent ass for another year I'm pretty sure I'm going to go from thinking he is a shitty coach to just plain hating the guy. I don't want to look at him and I don't want to hear anything he says. Just ****ing go away.Hating Gary because he is not the right coach? My, the personal rages some of you people go on are flat out absured.

HoustonFrog
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Lord knows I can't stand the Cowboys or Jerry Jones. However, I have to admit he is not afraid to make a change when it is needed. This organization needs a good dose of Jerry Jones right now. At least he knows poor performance when he sees it.

I know most here can't stand them and I don't expect them too but I really want to explain to people that I've tried to make this secondary relationship work and this year was frustrating. I stayed away from here, traveled, didn't watch football...Cowboys and Texans sucked. I figured both team were automatically making moves. I know one did and we will see how far it goes. I really just want to see the Texans make one unsafe move...go for broke and let it ride. Even if it fails I'd be on board to and say.."they tried."

Look at Oakland. Al is a nutcase but Cable just had an 8-8 team that played its ass off during the season and even he isn't happy.

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Yup, I was here (on the previous board) before the Texans played a down. And so was Herv, Vinny, and a host of others. And to have people like Docbar call out someone like Herv just because he is tired of being screwed over by a clueless clown like McNair infuriates me.

You are right. The old guard that knows football and doesn't just bend over and take it, can take it back. The bigger question is why would we? We are checking out. The people that don't care about winning will be the only ones left. All they want to do is go put on some foolish hat with horns or some facepaint and try to get on TV. They are like the idiots on the first couple of weeks of American Idol. And McNair gladly counts on them to fill his coffers. Until THAT changes, he won't change. Hell, why would he? PT Barnum and Bob McNair both count on a sucker being born every minute.

I see your point but I come here to do more than talk football. We just need to restore the decorum around here. Yes. More and more of the old posters are leaving one by one and maybe this board will deteriorate until it becomes like the "official board". Until that happens, I will fight for this one.

wagonhed
01-02-2011, 09:45 PM
Hating Gary because he is not the right coach? My, the personal rages some of you people go on are flat out absured.

Luckily I don't respond every time you say something absurd, because the board would get cluttered by that pretty quickly.

That said, I understand it is kind of silly to hate the guy, but this is the negative thread so, honestly, what do you expect in here? Just leave me to my absurdities and I'll leave you to yours.

2slik4u
01-02-2011, 09:47 PM
Luckily I don't respond every time you say something absurd, because the board would get cluttered by that pretty quickly.

That said, I understand it is kind of silly to hate the guy, but this is the negative thread so, honestly, what do you expect in here? Just leave me to my absurdities and I'll leave you to yours.

Burn!!!

:roast:

gary
01-02-2011, 09:49 PM
Luckily I don't respond every time you say something absurd, because the board would get cluttered by that pretty quickly.

That said, I understand it is kind of silly to hate the guy, but this is the negative thread so, honestly, what do you expect in here? Just leave me to my absurdities and I'll leave you to yours.Whatever. I don't reply to foolishness.

2slik4u
01-02-2011, 09:50 PM
I now live in New York and it is amazing how many Giants fans are calling for Coughlin's head tonight - the guy whose team just finished 10-6 - because the team missed the playoffs again.

Knee-jerk and emotional, you bet. But the Giants' ownership knows what is expected and constantly feels the pressure to perform and appease their supporters. With our team, it is all about Toro and pep rallies rather than win at all costs - that is why McNair will keep Kubiak.

I would love to have Coughlin. His attitude is hardcore and I think thats what we could use around here.

I would be very happy if the stars aligned, Coughlin gets fired, Coughlin gets hired. Boom.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 09:53 PM
I heard Coughlin will be staying in NY


I hope that the NFL doesn't go to 18 weeks, I couldn't imagine 2 more weeks, the board would explode

:truck:

houstonhurricane
01-02-2011, 09:55 PM
I would love to have Coughlin. His attitude is hardcore and I think thats what we could use around here.

I would be very happy if the stars aligned, Coughlin gets fired, Coughlin gets hired. Boom.

Nope - Coughlin is staying put; however, it amazes me that there was so much conjecture about whether he would be allowed to stay and he stood at 10-6 - while in Houston it is now a given that a guy at 6-10 will be back and the media blindly accepts it.

IlliniJen
01-02-2011, 09:56 PM
I know you didn't. Herv. Like I said before, I have alot of respect for you. Or had until this thread.
I'm totally cool with bitching and griping about the team, but saying you're gonna completely quit on them gets me riled up. I PMed you my opinion, also.
I'm done with this shit. I'm going to pull for my Texans 100% every week, but I won't be back in here. I see a bunch of football idiots, myself included, posting a lot of pure bullshit punctuated by a few posts by people who really know what they're talking about. This has turned into something other than a reasonable place to posts thoughts about our team. I wholly include my posts in this. Have a nice life and GO TEXANS!!!!!!!

I would rep you for shame spiralling off the forums if it made sense to do so. Alas.
:kubepalm:

2slik4u
01-02-2011, 09:58 PM
I heard Coughlin will be staying in NY


I hope that the NFL doesn't go to 18 weeks, I couldn't imagine 2 more weeks, the board would explode

:truck:

Dude, tell me about it. It's amazing how personal people take this. Ive been a Houston football fan since the "Love ya Blue" days. I remember my dad taking us to see the Oilers play the bengals specifically. Ive been rooting for a losing team my whole life, its not gonna stop here unless we start winning.

I think my PC would crash the moment I logged in to TT if we had two more weeks of this.

gary
01-02-2011, 09:59 PM
Some take this way to personally.

GP
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Others have stated this, but I will pass it along....

ESPN's Adam Shefter reporting that Kubiak will be back in 2011.

However, perhaps he is only reporting THAT because the next line that scrolled across the bottom of the screen stated he has two years left on the contract. Meaning maybe Schefter is speculating on it.

I would hope that McNair and Rick Smith, and whatever other Illuminati members help run the Texans, are sitting down right this very minute...hashing out what the official decision will be.

I am hoping that it wasn't a done deal even before today's result. I am hoping that they are doing whatever semblance of "due diligence" that they can do, and that they are genuinely discussing all options.

The Giants owner, Mara, was very quick to say that Coughlin is back and that he whole-heartedly believes in Coughlin. Ditto on Minny and Dallas--They each have already said that they have their guy at HC (Frazier and Garrett, respectively).

Nothing OFFICIAL on McNair & Kubiak status.

So, there is still some shred of hope left. Hope that not hearing anything, right after the Jags game concluded, means that a stronger statement is in the works for tomorrow.

The best bet is that Kubiak stays and Bush is gone, with David Gibbs hopefully gone too. That's the most conservative wager to make right now.

But axing Kubiak is still a possibility.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Nope - Coughlin is staying put; however, it amazes me that there was so much conjecture about whether he would be allowed to stay and he stood at 10-6 - while in Houston it is now a given that a guy at 6-10 will be back and the media blindly accepts it.

Not to mention he just won a Super Bowl for them three years ago. Ku iak hasn't even made the playoffs. Have no idea why people are even thinking about keeping Kubiak another year.

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 10:01 PM
Some take this way to personally.

And some make it personal and shoot the messenger instead of debating the message.

2slik4u
01-02-2011, 10:04 PM
Others have stated this, but I will pass it along....

ESPN's Adam Shefter reporting that Kubiak will be back in 2011.

However, perhaps he is only reporting THAT because the next line that scrolled across the bottom of the screen stated he has two years left on the contract. Meaning maybe Schefter is speculating on it.

I would hope that McNair and Rick Smith, and whatever other Illuminati members help run the Texans, are sitting down right this very minute...hashing out what the official decision will be.
I am hoping that it wasn't a done deal even before today's result. I am hoping that they are doing whatever semblance of "due diligence" that they can do, and that they are genuinely discussing all options.

The Giants owner, Mara, was very quick to say that Coughlin is back and that he whole-heartedly believes in Coughlin. Ditto on Minny and Dallas--They each have already said that they have their guy at HC (Frazier and Garrett, respectively).

Nothing OFFICIAL on McNair & Kubiak status.

So, there is still some shred of hope left. Hope that not hearing anything, right after the Jags game concluded, means that a stronger statement is in the works for tomorrow.

The best bet is that Kubiak stays and Bush is gone, with David Gibbs hopefully gone too. That's the most conservative wager to make right now.

But axing Kubiak is still a possibility.

Im hoping Kubiak is left out of the decision making and he's chewing his finger nails waiting in the hallway. That would be a start.

FirstTexansFan
01-02-2011, 10:05 PM
I would hope that McNair and Rick Smith, and whatever other Illuminati members help run the Texans, are sitting down right this very minute...hashing out what the official decision will be.


As a member of the Illuminati, let me assure you, we in no way are involved in the decision making of the Texans Front office. We're more concerned with one world government issues, than a one coach for life :)

gary
01-02-2011, 10:05 PM
And some make it personal and shoot the messenger instead of debating the message.I did not attack Herv.

disaacks3
01-02-2011, 10:05 PM
I disagree with that. I'm a huge fan and I've let the Texan's season run my life for a few years. I stopped that this year. That doesn't mean I care less, just that I've matured somewhat as a person. What kind of loser lives so vicariously through a pro sports team that a win or loss affects their life? That's just sad and I've been just sad for years and years. I don't accept mediocrity. I'm not happy with losing. I'm also not going to pull for a team other than my hometown team.

I know what you mean, I was forced to not take it all personally after the end of last season. Stress was a factor in putting me in the hospital and I've had to dial it back somewhat. I've had to avoid getting too high OR too low in order to maintain sanity. This season started with so much promise, but at least I could see the "writing on the wall" from Game 1 in the horrendous Defense.

I'm sticking around for the same reason I always have....the eventual joy will help offeset this continual suffering. Here's to next year and hoping there's a season to complain about.

DonnyMost
01-02-2011, 10:06 PM
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Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:09 PM
I know what you mean, I was forced to not take it all personally after the end of last season. Stress was a factor in putting me in the hospital and I've had to dial it back somewhat. I've had to avoid getting too high OR too low in order to maintain sanity. This season started with so much promise, but at least I could see the "writing on the wall" from Game 1 in the horrendous Defense.

I'm sticking around for the same reason I always have....the eventual joy will help offeset this continual suffering. Here's to next year and hoping there's a season to complain about.

that was me too, even when we were 4-2 and the defense was so bad, I accepted the fact that if we got to the playoffs it would have been a nightmare where most of the elite QB's are there liking their chops against our secondary

Pantherstang84
01-02-2011, 10:09 PM
I did not attack Herv.

I'm not saying you did and did not intend to imply that. I was trying to make my comment an extension of yours. Sorry for the confusion.

gary
01-02-2011, 10:11 PM
I'm not saying you did and did not intend to imply that. I was trying to make my comment an extension of yours. Sorry for the confusion.
Gotcha.

GP
01-02-2011, 10:13 PM
I did not attack Herv.

No, but you joined in on the thread without adding anything other than poking fun at the thread and those who are participating in it. So it's sort of like saying "Gee, that's dumb that you are doing that..." when you stopped in to participate. Yet you really didn't participate (in all actuality). You just threw a stone and kept walking as if you've no part in the festivities.

This is why these sorts of threads are so complicated. You post in it, and you're in it. Because others will reply to your posts, and even if you think you're not a part of it...you are, to some degree.

Herv tried to set up an "angry fans only" thread, which is never going to remain functioning as the exclusive club it was intended to be. So there's flaw #1. Add in the so-called Drive-By posters, and it's a recipe for a cat fight.

Part of me thinks that "Goodbye" threads should be taken down by moderators immediately. But, it's a way of a person venting. So it's complicated still.

Hey, here's some good news: That Arian Foster kid looks like the real deal. And we have a competent backup RB in Derrick Ward. And we might have another good RB in Tate if he returns to form. Three RBs. Not bad, considering the recent past and the distant past.

Just gotta' find a way to overcome our head coach. He's swell, but...well...you know.

:kubepalm:

gary
01-02-2011, 10:19 PM
No, but you joined in on the thread without adding anything other than poking fun at the thread and those who are participating in it. So it's sort of like saying "Gee, that's dumb that you are doing that..." when you stopped in to participate. Yet you really didn't participate (in all actuality). You just threw a stone and kept walking as if you've no part in the festivities.

This is why these sorts of threads are so complicated. You post in it, and you're in it. Because others will reply to your posts, and even if you think you're not a part of it...you are, to some degree.

Herv tried to set up an "angry fans only" thread, which is never going to remain functioning as the exclusive club it was intended to be. So there's flaw #1. Add in the so-called Drive-By posters, and it's a recipe for a cat fight.

Part of me thinks that "Goodbye" threads should be taken down by moderators immediately. But, it's a way of a person venting. So it's complicated still.

Hey, here's some good news: That Arian Foster kid looks like the real deal. And we have a competent backup RB in Derrick Ward. And we might have another good RB in Tate if he returns to form. Three RBs. Not bad, considering the recent past and the distant past.

Just gotta' find a way to overcome our head coach. He's swell, but...well...you know.

:kubepalm:
I just don't read into something that at the end of the day does not really matter. A game not life or death.

Runner
01-02-2011, 10:20 PM
Not to mention he just won a Super Bowl for them three years ago. Ku iak hasn't even made the playoffs. Have no idea why people are even thinking about keeping Kubiak another year.

Have you forgotten 9-7? No team has ever had as many obstacles to overcome, and yet Kubes delivered a winning season. There are lots of Super Bowl teams, but only one "Best 9-7 Team Ever".

thunderkyss
01-02-2011, 10:20 PM
But I can't It isn't that I'm waiting to bandwagon...I've been here 5 years. I'm waiting for a sign that the team has a clue. From Carr to coaching it is a constant mess that is ACCEPTED because football is back. I get ragged on about Jerry but I know his stance. I know he wants to win badly despite his sometimes horrible decisions. I've also followed them for 35 years.



See, I think it's different. You either love a team, or you don't. Quincy Carter was your starting QB in 2006.... did you support that team? did you stop buying Dallas gear? They let him go, picked up Drew Bledsoe... how long has the offensive line been a "problem"?

Dave Campo, Chan Gailey....... still a Cowboy fan? Wade Phillips?

I look at all the crap Al Davis does..... wonder how there are still Raider fans dressed in full Raiders Garb for every game.

I think guys like Kullumanati has the right approach. He comes here every year, says, "I know my team sucks this year... " but then goes on watching & enjoying football, the camaraderie shared amongst fans.... good times, bad times.... as long as we're "together" what difference does it make?

Now you can sit there and tell me it's Jerrah's burning desire to win that got him 3 rings..... but the way he's run that organization after Jimmy left, I'll chalk it up to blind pigs, acorns, & those sort of things.

We don't have a 35 year history. One winning season in it's 9 year history isn't very promising.

But if you made it through the 2-14 season, this ain't nothing. I can understand thinking we're wasting a talented team if Kubiak comes back..... league's leading rusher, league's best receiver, a top QB in the league, one of the more domnant DE, two pro-bowl LBs.....

Seriously, there's plenty to be upset about. But when we're talking about being a fan, it's about do you love the team or not, not whether you agree with every decision Jerry Jones makes or not..... because chances are you probably don't.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:20 PM
No, but you joined in on the thread without adding anything other than poking fun at the thread and those who are participating in it. So it's sort of like saying "Gee, that's dumb that you are doing that..." when you stopped in to participate. Yet you really didn't participate (in all actuality). You just threw a stone and kept walking as if you've no part in the festivities.

This is why these sorts of threads are so complicated. You post in it, and you're in it. Because others will reply to your posts, and even if you think you're not a part of it...you are, to some degree.

Herv tried to set up an "angry fans only" thread, which is never going to remain functioning as the exclusive club it was intended to be. So there's flaw #1. Add in the so-called Drive-By posters, and it's a recipe for a cat fight.

Part of me thinks that "Goodbye" threads should be taken down by moderators immediately. But, it's a way of a person venting. So it's complicated still.

Hey, here's some good news: That Arian Foster kid looks like the real deal. And we have a competent backup RB in Derrick Ward. And we might have another good RB in Tate if he returns to form. Three RBs. Not bad, considering the recent past and the distant past.

Just gotta' find a way to overcome our head coach. He's swell, but...well...you know.

:kubepalm:
yeah I was wondering about how effective for a section on here .. a version of the NSZ but have a BSZ (blow off steam zone)

:bender:

houstonspartan
01-02-2011, 10:24 PM
Herv, I've usually enjoed and respected your posts. After this one, I say **** you. Go be a cowgirls fan. I've been a Houston fan my entire life. I missed maybe 5 home games for the Oilers from '76-85. I've suffered as much as any fan of Houston football ever has. The only thing that has ever made me think of not being a Houston fan is a work stoppage for the '11 season. They do that, then I forget the NFL.
If you want to check out as a Houston fan, take off. The bandwagon will be large when they are winning and you want to come back.
My weeks, during football season, have been ruled by how the Houston team does. This year, I made a commitment that it wouldn't. I never missed a game. Even when I was in China, Bangladesh or Venezuela. I stayed up and watched my team on the internet win or lose. I just didn't let it ruin my whole life when they lost. You don't have a damned thing more wrapped up in this team than the rest of us. I say good riddance and don't let the door hit ya in the ass on the way out.
Don't walk away...run.


Eff you, ass---e. Herv's viewpoint is legit. Just because he doesn't want to bow down and accept whatever is given to him doesn't mean he's not a real fan. I'm so sick of this "you're not a real fan" shit.

The Third Man
01-02-2011, 10:25 PM
I think all of this woe-is-me stuff about sports is hilarious. I can understand why anybody would stop watching such an unpleasant team as the Texans, but this thread has the tone of Nixon resigning the presidency. There are a million fans who give up on their teams every year and nobody cares.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2011, 10:26 PM
yeah I was wondering about how effective for a section on here .. a version of the NSZ but have a BSZ (blow off steam zone)

:bender:

That's actually a good idea, but then the normal TexansTalk section would be empty. ;)

HoustonFrog
01-02-2011, 10:27 PM
See, I think it's different. You either love a team, or you don't. Quincy Carter was your starting QB in 2006.... did you support that team? did you stop buying Dallas gear? They let him go, picked up Drew Bledsoe... how long has the offensive line been a "problem"?

Dave Campo, Chan Gailey....... still a Cowboy fan? Wade Phillips?

I look at all the crap Al Davis does..... wonder how there are still Raider fans dressed in full Raiders Garb for every game.

I think guys like Kullumanati has the right approach. He comes here every year, says, "I know my team sucks this year... " but then goes on watching & enjoying football, the camaraderie shared amongst fans.... good times, bad times.... as long as we're "together" what difference does it make?

Now you can sit there and tell me it's Jerrah's burning desire to win that got him 3 rings..... but the way he's run that organization after Jimmy left, I'll chalk it up to blind pigs, acorns, & those sort of things.

We don't have a 35 year history. One winning season in it's 9 year history isn't very promising.

But if you made it through the 2-14 season, this ain't nothing. I can understand thinking we're wasting a talented team if Kubiak comes back..... league's leading rusher, league's best receiver, a top QB in the league, one of the more domnant DE, two pro-bowl LBs.....

Seriously, there's plenty to be upset about. But when we're talking about being a fan, it's about do you love the team or not, not whether you agree with every decision Jerry Jones makes or not..... because chances are you probably don't.


Different stuation. Of course I supported them through all those things. I've been a fan since 1975. There hasn't been a team moving, etc, so of course I support them and disagree with alot of things.

This team has been here 9 years. It is a new team. I'm not sure why I'd buy in or start a new love affair when the team is the eqivalent of the "crazy chick."

Lucky
01-02-2011, 10:27 PM
I think Herv said what he needed to say. No need to keep this open.