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Heath Shuler
01-02-2011, 10:22 AM
The Cowboys have made Jason Garrett their head coach, a team source told Michael Lombardi.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d5feb7/article/garrett-keeps-cowboys-coaching-job-sherman-also-interviewed?module=HP_headlines2col

Dutchrudder
01-02-2011, 01:02 PM
The Cowboys interviewed receivers coach Ray Sherman to satisfy the NFL's "Rooney Rule," which requires teams to interview at least one minority candidate.

Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2011, 01:05 PM
Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.

Why? It's not like Ray Sherman had a shot anyway and Garrett has always been Jones' guy. I think the rule should be gone.

Pollardized
01-02-2011, 01:09 PM
I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.

BetaV1
01-02-2011, 01:24 PM
I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.

I'd rep you if I could. If someone else can hit him up, please do.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-02-2011, 01:31 PM
I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.



Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.

Dutchrudder
01-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Why? It's not like Ray Sherman had a shot anyway and Garrett has always been Jones' guy. I think the rule should be gone.

The number of minority head coaches in the NFL went up substantially after the Rooney Rule went into effect. Its purpose was to force owners/GMs to consider a candidate of different race because they were so under-represented at that position. Black NFL players make up about 65% of the league, yet only ~20% of the head coaches, which is up from 6% in 2002 (before the Rooney Rule was implemented).


I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.

No, half-hearted interviews are an insult to the interviewee and make him a 'token'. Normally, a coach from within the organization would have it in their contract that they will succeed a fired coach, but the Cowboys screwed up here.

Pollardized
01-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.

I prefer to think Mike Tomlin is HC of the Steelers because he was candidate who was most qualified.

I have hired many people in the course of my employment; never have I hired or interviewed someone just because of skin color. I see how under represented blacks are as coaches compared to the number of players. But requiring owners to interview someone non-white is not the answer. Too often an owner does exactly what JJ did: interview a black man just to satisfy the rule, with no real intention of hiring him. I wouldn't want to drive over to Prairie View A&M just to interview for something to fill a quota, when I knew I wasn't going to get the job anyway. To me that is an insult.

If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field? No, because the most qualified players are generally those who are playing (except Kris and Chris Brown).

I want black coaches to succeed as much as anyone, but having a rule that requires running them out as a token interview is not the answer.

houstonspartan
01-02-2011, 02:21 PM
I think the Rooney Rule is an insult to Black coaches. Making a man out to be the token is just f'ing ignorant.

That's what I used to think...until I saw the Kyle Shanahan situation.

I have never, ever seen anyone be already annointed The One until I saw Kyle Shanahan. Five seconds after becoming the Texans Offensive Coordinator, everyone was saying how brilliant, perfect and smart he was, and how he should already be given a head coaching position, and that it was just a matter of time.

Never mind that at the time the ONLY thing Kyle had going for himself was that his dad was well known. Is Kyle Shanahan smart? Yep. Does he have a bright future? We will see. But he needs to be made to EARN his head coaching spot.

Odds are, he won't. He is being shoved up the ladder really fast.

There is not an equal playing field in the NFL.

And, the Rooney's have said that they had no idea who Mike Tomlin was. The brought him in, and he won them over.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 02:23 PM
as my friends say, it is who you snow not who you know

on a serious note
it is all about connections

Dutchrudder
01-02-2011, 02:41 PM
I prefer to think Mike Tomlin is HC of the Steelers because he was candidate who was most qualified.

Actually, with the Tomlin situation, the Steelers had already interviewed a minority candidate, but chose to interview Tomlin after that. Tomlin subsequently got the job, but not because of the Rooney Rule. Good for him that he was qualified and has proven himself.



I have hired many people in the course of my employment; never have I hired or interviewed someone just because of skin color. I see how under represented blacks are as coaches compared to the number of players. But requiring owners to interview someone non-white is not the answer. Too often an owner does exactly what JJ did: interview a black man just to satisfy the rule, with no real intention of hiring him. I wouldn't want to drive over to Prairie View A&M just to interview for something to fill a quota, when I knew I wasn't going to get the job anyway. To me that is an insult.

Generally I would agree with this sentiment, but the results after the rule was implemented do show that it has been successful. Before 2003, there were only a handful of minority head coaches in the league's history (7 iirc). I don't believe for a second that it is because there were little to none qualified for the jobs, but rather they weren't considered. The point of this rule is to help open those options up, because for whatever reason the opportunities just were not there for them.



If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field? No, because the most qualified players are generally those who are playing (except Kris and Chris Brown).

We are talking about an interview here, not the actual job. Interviews are just consideration, much like training camp, combine, and OTAs vet players abilities to show who deserves the roster spot. The players have more than enough opportunity to show their worth regardless of their race, whereas for decades minority coaches usually never had a shot at getting the head coaching job.


I want black coaches to succeed as much as anyone, but having a rule that requires running them out as a token interview is not the answer.

The rule will only be effective if the teams seek out potential candidates with a good resume and a real chance at a head coaching job (the Cowboys likely didn't do this). I agree they shouldn't be treated as 'tokens' regardless of who they are or what their race is, but that's up to the league to enforce and the owners/GMs to uphold the standard.

Pollardized
01-02-2011, 02:58 PM
Hey while on this subject, I'm watching Bucs vs. Saints, how did Raheem Morris get his job? I like this guy....

houstonspartan
01-02-2011, 03:15 PM
Hey while on this subject, I'm watching Bucs vs. Saints, how did Raheem Morris get his job? I like this guy....

He was an inside hire. Bucs fans were pissed, but I'm sure they're happy now. Their second year coach has nailed 10 wins.

Repeat: Second Year Coach.

Pollardized
01-02-2011, 03:25 PM
He was an inside hire. Bucs fans were pissed, but I'm sure they're happy now. Their second year coach has nailed 10 wins.

Repeat: Second Year Coach.

Unbelieveable huh? I like the way the Bucs play. And Freeman has a hell of an arm.

Second Honeymoon
01-04-2011, 03:15 PM
Mike Tomlin wouldn't be the HC of the Steelers if not for the Rooney Rule.

Not true. He was a serious candidate from Day One, and the Steelers brass wanted a new voice and decided to nix Grimm and Whisenhunt. He was a minority candidate though, and that would have helped fulfill Rooney Rule specs.

But if you are saying more minority candidates should be considered, I do agree with that wholeheartedly. With the sizeable majority of African-American football players in the NFL, it just makes sense and has actually shown itself to pay off for the teams that have hired minority candidates in the past at a pretty impressive ratio.

My only problem with the Rooney Rule is that when it becomes a dog and pony show. It is a disservice to some minority candidates that they are ultimately being brought in for an interview purely for theater.

If you have an interim coach on your team, he should get first dibs on the job without having to compete against someone else before his team decides if he is the right guy for the job. If you announce that he isn't the guy, then you have to follow Rooney Rule regulations.

FWIW, I think this move by Jerry is a financial move. I don't think he really wants to pay a Cowher right now, and frankly I don't think Cowher would want to go there without ultimate say on personnel decisions. Jerry can handle the contracts as long as its done effectively, but Cowher would want 100% control and that is what it sounds like scared McNair off as well...almight dollar.....the fact that he would actually have to pay a top NFL coach's salary probably figured into the equation just a bit. :butterfly:

The1ApplePie
01-04-2011, 04:12 PM
Good to hear. Garrett did a hell of a job as an interim. If they Cowboys had a kicker, his record would have been ever better.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-04-2011, 04:36 PM
"Mike Tomlin wouldn't have gotten this opportunity without this rule," said Shell, the first modern black NFL head coach. "He never would have sat down with Dan Rooney."

Said Rooney: "To be honest with you, before the interview he was just another guy who was an assistant coach. Once we interviewed him the first time, he just came through and we thought it was great. And we brought him back and talked to him on the phone and went through the process that we do, and he ended up winning the job.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs06/news/story?id=2750645


Jerome Bettis joined the show to talk about the Rooney Rule and more.

"It's a double edged sword," Bettis said. "Because it gives some guys an opoortunity to get interviewed who normally woulnd't be interviewed."

Bettis had some very interesting remarks on the Steelers hiring Mike Tomlin. "From my understanding there was a period where they were looking at another caoch and decided to go that direction," Bettis said. "You put Coach Tomlin in front of the Rooneys and they were impressed with what they saw."

Dan and Bettis agreed that Tomlin commands a room and it's no surprise the Rooneys chose him.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/93521/index.html

infantrycak
01-04-2011, 05:04 PM
FWIW, I think this move by Jerry is a financial move. I don't think he really wants to pay a Cowher right now, and frankly I don't think Cowher would want to go there without ultimate say on personnel decisions. Jerry can handle the contracts as long as its done effectively, but Cowher would want 100% control and that is what it sounds like scared McNair off as well...almight dollar.....the fact that he would actually have to pay a top NFL coach's salary probably figured into the equation just a bit. :butterfly:

What next Dan Snyder is a cheapskate?

Nawzer
01-04-2011, 05:11 PM
A lot of teams needing coaches are staying with their current coaches. Me thinks there is a financial aspect to this and the potential lockout looming.

sakebomb
01-04-2011, 08:58 PM
If blacks make up 65% of NFL players, but yet white and hispanics make up 74% of the US population, I'd say whites and hispanics are under represented among NFL players, particularly hispanics. Should the NFL also install a program that requires coaches and GM's to give non-blacks a chance at positions on the field?

No, because whites and hispanics have the majority in soccer and baseball. It's all good. :butterfly:

HoustonFrog
01-06-2011, 01:45 PM
I'm watching the press conference now. I LOVE how Garrett handles himself. The guy has the drive, the smarts and composure. I'm just hoping he gets to make some decisions, etc and he learned from his hiccups as OC. I was hoping they would interview others to see the reaction out there but we will see what happens. The guy treats things like Jimmy and I do like that. Will he have the power to be like Jimmy though and cut and fine players.

Jerry just took over for a second and said Garrett will have final say ..."real clear"...that Garrett has the final say on coaches who stays on the staff or gets fired or hired. Same with players.

TEXANRED
01-06-2011, 06:43 PM
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

HoustonFrog
01-07-2011, 09:01 AM
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

What is funny?

DexmanC
01-07-2011, 09:19 AM
No, because whites and hispanics have the majority in soccer and baseball. It's all good. :butterfly:

Hockey is also 98% white, and they actually get to fight without
social stigma. The Boston Bruins charged the stands to fight a fan,
and they get lauded to this very day. Ron Artest does EXACTLY
the same thing, and it's the "Malice at the Palace."

You ain't gotta worry about having to "Take Our Hockey Back." You
good. You got 100% White coaching staffs and front offices.

:)

Dread-Head
01-07-2011, 09:25 AM
He's a good man and a class act. The Lizzard King doesn't deserve him. However since he's coaching the team I loathe with a vehemence I can scarcely articulate I wish him no success whatsoever.

Dread-Head
01-07-2011, 09:26 AM
Hockey is also 98% white, and they actually get to fight without
social stigma. The Boston Bruins charged the stands to fight a fan,
and they get lauded to this very day. Ron Artest does EXACTLY
the same thing, and it's the "Malice at the Palace."

You ain't gotta worry about having to "Take Our Hockey Back." You
good. You got 100% White coaching staffs and front offices.

:)

There are 30 brothas in the NHL right now.

Dread-Head
01-07-2011, 09:29 AM
Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.

Hell to the yeah...

DexmanC
01-07-2011, 09:32 AM
There are 30 brothas in the NHL right now.

That's 28 more than I thought. That sport better be lookin' out.

HoustonFrog
01-07-2011, 09:34 AM
Hell to the yeah...

They didn't do a half hearted interview. They interviewed 2 minorities. Ray Sherman came in with briefcase and suit. Bowles, this being his second HC interview with the Cowboys, said that he didn't feel like it was a handout interview at all. They spent hours with each other and went back to Miami. I do think the rule is horrible in that some teams will barely scratch the surface of an interview and just pick someone. But if Jerry wanted to be half ass he could have brought in Sherman, who is on his staff and ended it there. But he then brought in Bowles also.

Dread-Head
01-07-2011, 09:39 AM
That's 28 more than I thought. That sport better be lookin' out.

I saw one of these guys on ESPN on a highlight reel laying a MONSTER body check on some cat. They were comparing it to an NFL hit.

gary
01-08-2011, 12:52 PM
It is sad that there must be rule to hire any coach. Is the rule effective? Maybe so. But folks should take exception to this rule just because it is needed. This is stilly on both sides and what is wrong in America everything is a racial matter quite frankly I'd be ashamed. Will there be a rule for South Americans next? It does have to be this way but it is because of the PC police. Get rid of all that crap. I would be angry if there had to be rule to hire more disabled people for a job and I am disabled. The only two foctors in hiring some one for any job should be interest and skill of course.

gary
01-08-2011, 05:03 PM
By the way, I think this is a pretty good hiring.

TEXANRED
01-08-2011, 05:25 PM
What is funny?
Garret is the reason for the Cowboys bad season and he gets rewarded with a head coaching gig.

Jerry Jones is a tool.

HoustonFrog
01-08-2011, 05:34 PM
Garret is the reason for the Cowboys bad season and he gets rewarded with a head coaching gig.

Jerry Jones is a tool.

That made no sense at all. I do think he has made mistakes over his tenure as OC but the guy just went 5-3 as interim after the players completely quit on Phillips. Though the Eagle win is suspect. They also should have beaten NO. The guy is considered one of the brightest guys out there and the players respect him. He runs practices like Jimmy. He changed the attitude where they played their asses off. So I'm not really getting how he was the reason. They finished the year in the Top 10 on offense...a year where they played a majority of the games with Kitna and Stephen McGee at QB and lost their top rookie WR. They improved in points per game by a large margin.

I do think they should have put out feelers to the big names but Garrett is a damn good hire if he gets any leverage and that is the key...getting his guys.

GlassHalfFull
01-10-2011, 02:20 PM
Nice way to get around that rule. I hope they get fined for doing a half-hearted interview.

speaking of which. This certainly doesn't make it look like the head coach interview was real serious.

Cowboys part ways with receivers coach Sherman (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7373781.html)

Dallas Cowboys wide receivers coach Ray Sherman confirmed to the Dallas Morning News on Sunday that he's been told the club won't renew his contract.
Sherman declined to comment on the decision made by head coach Jason Garrett. The Cowboys interviewed Sherman on Tuesday for their head coaching job, a conversation that satisfied the Rooney Rule, which requires clubs to interview a minority candidate.
The Cowboys removed the interim tag from Garrett on Thursday. At the news conference to announce the move, owner Jerry Jones said Garrett would have final say over the makeup of his staff.
Sherman joined the Cowboys in 2007 and was instrumental in the development of Miles Austin into a 1,000-yard receiver.

Dutchrudder
01-10-2011, 03:27 PM
speaking of which. This certainly doesn't make it look like the head coach interview was real serious.

Cowboys part ways with receivers coach Sherman (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7373781.html)

Interesting, but we can only speculate on their reasons for letting him go.

If he really was instrumental in Miles Austin's development, then maybe he could come to the Texans and turn Jacoby Jones into something more consistent than a broken clock.

HoustonFrog
01-10-2011, 03:41 PM
speaking of which. This certainly doesn't make it look like the head coach interview was real serious.

Cowboys part ways with receivers coach Sherman (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7373781.html)

I don't think this speaks to anything about his interview. Again, Jerry brought in another minority so it wasn't like he HAd to interview Ray Sherman. What this shows me is a) Garrett made this move and actually is getting to do what he wants with the staff and 2) Garrett and Sherman had issues. There is talk that the two of them had a strained relationship ever since the TO incident where the WRs blamed Garrett for who was getting the ball. Just rumormill stuff. Overall they are trying to revamp the staff. Sherman has worked with some of the greatest WRs but the Cowboys corp dropped a ton of passes last year and were off on alot of things. Overall I like that they are changing staffs and maybe trying to get a more cohesive group on the same page.

TexanSam
01-10-2011, 09:26 PM
They're interviewing Vic Fangio as DC. LOL

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=6009434&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

The Dallas Cowboys have talked with Stanford's Vic Fangio about joining Jason Garrett's staff as defensive coordinator, according to multiple sources.

Fangio, who has predominantly used the 3-4 scheme in his career, finished his first season at Stanford, helping the Cardinal to an Orange Bowl victory, and it was widely assumed he was going to follow Jim Harbaugh to San Francisco as the 49ers' defensive coordinator.