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BorrowMe
01-02-2011, 02:08 AM
So what are the Texans going to do with Ben Tate? Should we use him as trade bait? Or do we use him as the primary backup for Arian?

Carr Bombed
01-02-2011, 02:12 AM
So what are the Texans going to do with Ben Tate? Should we use him as trade bait? Or do we use him as the primary backup for Arian?

That...


You can never have enough RBs, because on any given carry they can be out for the year (Just look at Ben Tate this year) and most teams are going to two back systems anyways. There's still a need for Ben Tate and I'm glad we drafted him....we just need a new coach who isn't scared to run the ball down the other team's throats.

Dutchrudder
01-02-2011, 02:12 AM
A guy coming off a broken ankle as trade bait? He hasn't played a down in the NFL, I doubt any team would give much for him. I think they need him and should work on replacing slaton.

SpringTexan
01-02-2011, 02:13 AM
Id like to see us give him a few touches just to see what hes worth. He'd be a damn good backup. He would also make some good trade bait.

mattieuk
01-02-2011, 02:21 AM
Id like to see us give him a few touches just to see what hes worth. He'd be a damn good backup. He would also make some good trade bait.

Can't see him going good trade bait. Perhaps in a year he would be, after a stellar rookie season...

PapaL
01-02-2011, 02:32 AM
Foster, Ward and Tate = buh bye Steve

Carr Bombed
01-02-2011, 02:40 AM
Why do people want to use Tate as trade bait?

You need more than one back in this league. I'm actually extremely excited to see what Tate can do when healthy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwe7eLaLw7g

He has the potential to be just as good as Arian Foster and he dominated the same conference that Foster did......and he has more break away speed than Foster.

This is why the move for Bill Cowher should be a no brainer for our idiot owner....next season the running game should be a strength of this team and we need a coach who isn't afraid to utilize it more.

Roadtrip635
01-02-2011, 02:55 AM
Not much value in the NFL for unproven RB's coming off IR. Maybe a 6th or 7th rd pick if you were extremely lucky.

Tate goes to OTAs and TC and evaluate him there. Could be he ain't the same after the injury, don't need another Houston athlete with foot/ankle problems.

BSofA04
01-02-2011, 03:11 AM
Keep him to improve the running game and longevity of Arian Foster.

Steve Slaton on the other hand, is as gone as Frank Bush. That's too bad, he was a heck of a player.

GP
01-02-2011, 03:31 AM
Why do people want to use Tate as trade bait?

You need more than one back in this league. I'm actually extremely excited to see what Tate can do when healthy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwe7eLaLw7g

He has the potential to be just as good as Arian Foster and he dominated the same conference that Foster did......and he has more break away speed than Foster.

This is why the move for Bill Cowher should be a no brainer for our idiot owner....next season the running game should be a strength of this team and we need a coach who isn't afraid to utilize it more.

Stop being so logical and rational.

That Tate kid is as good as done. I mean, you act as if a Texans running back might actually regress the year after having a 1,000+ rushing season. Absurd. We only need Foster and should just release Ward, or maybe package him with Tate in a deal for a TE. Preferably a TE prone to injury, specifically leg injuries.

Might as well try and get something for our two loser RBs.

And this talk about Cowher? Pffftttt....LOL. He's overrated. I wouldn't want him with the star-in-the-making we have right now. It took Tom Landry six years to become a legend. Not gonna' jinx us with such foolishness as abandoning Gurry Kubiak.

HJam72
01-02-2011, 08:48 AM
It's certainly true that Foster and Ward have outdone Slaton, but he hasn't been bad this year at all (what little he played). When he got healthy,he was good....just not great. I think Slaton is the one that might have some trade value. I didn't say a whole lot....but some. He has value and we don't need him anymore (assuming Tate is any good--I assume we're assuming that :) ).

Thorn
01-02-2011, 08:53 AM
If the regular season moves past 16 games (which the owners want) then you'll need all the healthy backs you can get.

Actually, that pretty much goes for any position I suppose if they expand the season.

HJam72
01-02-2011, 08:55 AM
If the regular season moves past 16 games (which the owners want) then you'll need all the healthy backs you can get.

Actually, that pretty much goes for any position I suppose if they expand the season.

Good point.

CloakNNNdagger
01-02-2011, 09:12 AM
It's certainly true that Foster and Ward have outdone Slaton, but he hasn't been bad this year at all (what little he played). When he got healthy,he was good....just not great. I think Slaton is the one that might have some trade value. I didn't say a whole lot....but some. He has value and we don't need him anymore (assuming Tate is any good--I assume we're assuming that :) ).

If the Texans had any hope for Slaton as any significant value as "trade bait," the the Texans brain bank should have shut him down as a kick returner before he embarrassed himself so badly throughout the season on national TV.:kubepalm:

Hervoyel
01-02-2011, 09:17 AM
Foster, Ward and Tate = buh bye Steve

Texans really screwed up by putting Slaton out there returning kickoffs IMO. He looked slow and hesitant doing it and it hurt whatever trade value he had. On the other hand he was effective this year at RB (not Arian effective of course but more or less equal to Ward while playing limited reps) and they should have tried to slip him some more carries. Not too many, just enough to see if he continues to respond.

Slaton could fetch us a late round pick I suspect. He needs to get plenty of reps in our first preseason game and then we need to start looking around the league for somebody who has a broken RB and 5th or 6th round pick they want to unload.

Get something for him though if we don't have a spot for him on our roster. I think it's still possible.

steelbtexan
01-02-2011, 10:21 AM
I could actually see them moving Foster and keeping Tate and Ward along with a late rd pick.

They could use the pick to rebuild the defense and BoB wont have to re-up Foster.

Foster is due to get paid and you know how much BoB likes his $$$$.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:21 AM
Foster, Ward and Tate = buh bye Steve

The WTF. Gang

80tothezone
01-02-2011, 10:24 AM
So what are the Texans going to do with Ben Tate? Should we use him as trade bait? Or do we use him as the primary backup for Arian?

yeh keep him to take some carries off AF's shoulders doing that will lenghten AF's career.

Fred
01-02-2011, 10:28 AM
I could actually see them moving Foster and keeping Tate and Ward along with a late rd pick.

They could use the pick to rebuild the defense and BoB wont have to re-up Foster.

Foster is due to get paid and you know how much BoB likes his $$$$.

Foster is the only RB on the roster with any trade value. Slaton + Tate + Ward = late 6th rounder for all 3 together. Not that I want to trade Foster, but he's the only one with value. Rationally, this is his career year. He will never have another year this good, and RBs don't last that long anyway. So if someone would overpay for him (think H. Walker, R. Williams) the Texans should think about it. I would even include Kubiak in the trade as a freebie.

steelbtexan
01-02-2011, 10:40 AM
Foster is the only RB on the roster with any trade value. Slaton + Tate + Ward = late 6th rounder for all 3 together. Not that I want to trade Foster, but he's the only one with value. Rationally, this is his career year. He will never have another year this good, and RBs don't last that long anyway. So if someone would overpay for him (think H. Walker, R. Williams) the Texans should think about it. I would even include Kubiak in the trade as a freebie.

LOL

I wouldn't trade him either.

BoB might though.

Just bringing up the possibility

gary
01-02-2011, 10:40 AM
Foster, Tate, and Ward. I like it.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:47 AM
Foster, Tate, and Ward. I like it.

I had WTF. gang at first but I could go with FTW ( for the win) gang
:doot:

Lucky
01-02-2011, 10:48 AM
I had WTF. gang at first
That's only if Foster is late for a meeting.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:53 AM
That's only if Foster is late for a meeting.

:spit: true! I was definitely saying "what the ****" as he was sitting on the sideline

BetaV1
01-02-2011, 10:53 AM
That's only if Foster is late for a meeting.

So is that why he was "disciplined" sometime ago? I always wondered about that...

Keep Tate. Arian needs a breather after all and you can never have enough depth.

PapaL
01-02-2011, 10:56 AM
I had WTF. gang at first but I could go with FTW ( for the win) gang
:doot:

I like!

IDEXAN
01-02-2011, 11:01 AM
I could actually see them moving Foster and keeping Tate and Ward along with a late rd pick.

They could use the pick to rebuild the defense and BoB wont have to re-up Foster.

Foster is due to get paid and you know how much BoB likes his $$$$.

Foster is highly marketable in my opinion ? The thing is he's obviously now established himself as a very competant NFL running back (to say the least),
who's still very, very young, and yet the Texans (and I presume any other team he might be traded to), would have very good leverage with him due to the "special-agent" type of contract they have with him. In other words he's not due to get paid a chunk of money by Mcnair anytime soon. What would he bring on the open market ? I'd guess perhaps a second-round pick ?
As for Ben Tate - why on earth did they use a 2nd round pick on a position that they should have realized last year was already in good hands by another young running bacxk ? But Tate might bring a 6th or 7th round pick
if offered up to the market today ?

Wolf
01-02-2011, 11:02 AM
The Texans were still searching for a back, Foster couldn't get off the practice squad.

steelbtexan
01-02-2011, 11:15 AM
Foster is highly marketable in my opinion ? The thing is he's obviously now established himself as a very competant NFL running back (to say the least),
who's still very, very young, and yet the Texans (and I presume any other team he might be traded to), would have very good leverage with him due to the "special-agent" type of contract they have with him. In other words he's not due to get paid a chunk of money by Mcnair anytime soon. What would he bring on the open market ? I'd guess perhaps a second-round pick ?
As for Ben Tate - why on earth did they use a 2nd round pick on a position that they should have realized last year was already in good hands by another young running bacxk ? But Tate might bring a 6th or 7th round pick
if offered up to the market today ?

Because Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak stink as talent evaluators.

You think a FS like Nate Allen or Burnett would've helped this defense?

They were available in the 2nd rd. This is not hindsight either. Many on this MB were calling for a S to be taken in rd. 1/2.

Wolf
01-02-2011, 11:20 AM
Because Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak stink as talent evaluators.

You think a FS like Nate Allen or Burnett would've helped this defense?

They were available in the 2nd rd. This is not hindsight either. Many on this MB were calling for a S to be taken in rd. 1/2.

you forgot about David Gibbs coaching them

DocBar
01-02-2011, 11:24 AM
Let's not coronate Foster as the next coming of Earl Campbell just yet. I remember another back, drafted in the 3rd. that had one very good year and it all fell apart. He's still on the team and more than a few probably feel silly when they look at that #20 jersey. Let's see some competition next TC before we start getting rid of any RB.
Everyone was pretty happy wed rafted him last year, so let's see what he can do in '11.

CloakNNNdagger
01-02-2011, 11:34 AM
Let's not coronate Foster as the next coming of Earl Campbell just yet. I remember another back, drafted in the 3rd. that had one very good year and it all fell apart. He's still on the team and more than a few probably feel silly when they look at that #20 jersey. Let's see some competition next TC before we start getting rid of any RB.
Everyone was pretty happy wed rafted him last year, so let's see what he can do in '11.

There was one thing going historically against Slaton from the beginning, being a long-term solution at every down back...........his size. It caught up with him sooner than later.

dream_team
01-02-2011, 11:44 AM
I actually see Ward being gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he only signed a one-year deal. I can see another team offering him better money and a better chance at starting than Houston. Or at least more carries.

Like what everyone else is saying, Tate wouldn't bring much value coming off IR. I think he'll play Ward's role next season, 5 carries/game while being the primary backup to Foster.

I actually think Slaton will bring more trade value than Tate. I'm sure other teams out there still believe in Slaton. So I expect him to be traded for something like a 5th rounder. I really hope Steve can find success on another team and turn his career around.

Lucky
01-02-2011, 11:50 AM
I actually see Ward being gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he only signed a one-year deal.
You are correct. Ward is no lock to remain on the team.

beerlover
01-02-2011, 11:59 AM
Ben Tate with Arian Foster & Vonta Leach (yes I want to see them feed Vonta more) gives the Texans a nice rotation in the backfield. Also like to see them add another banger (John Clay, Wisconsin) late rd./undrafted FA & maybe a change of pace RB to replace Slaton (Jordan Todman, Connecticut).

You build depth & quality with players like Tate, good grief people :barman:

IDEXAN
01-02-2011, 12:37 PM
You are correct. Ward is no lock to remain on the team.

For sure. Actually he's a lock to be gone from the Texans roster this year IMO, because how do they find any snaps for him when we've got the reigning league rushing-champ/pro-bowler as our starter and the big 2nd round investment in Tate ? Only if Ward would be content to be the back-up to the back-up would he then be on the roster (if we carry 3 backs ?).

Thorn
01-02-2011, 12:43 PM
If Ward can be brought back for another year or two, they should do so. Debth at RB is a good thing. No one knows for sure what Tate will turn out to be, and any player on the field is always one play away from the IR. We know that from Tate. Foster-Tate-Ward would be a nice thing to have.

GuerillaBlack
01-02-2011, 01:23 PM
Let's not coronate Foster as the next coming of Earl Campbell just yet. I remember another back, drafted in the 3rd. that had one very good year and it all fell apart. He's still on the team and more than a few probably feel silly when they look at that #20 jersey. Let's see some competition next TC before we start getting rid of any RB.
Everyone was pretty happy wed rafted him last year, so let's see what he can do in '11.

Foster is nothing like Slaton. Foster has the speed, size, vision, and power that you need in a RB. He's consistent with his yards. If you remember Slaton, he'd go for 2 yards, -1 yard, 1 yards, and then bust a 40 yard run. Rinse and repeat. Foster will pick up five yard chunks like it's nothing.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 01:24 PM
There was one thing going historically against Slaton from the beginning, being a long-term solution at every down back...........his size. It caught up with him sooner than later. I disagree with you on that. There are quite a few backs in his size range that have been, and are, very productive. A few of them are in the HOF- Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett, Thurman Thomas- all in SS's size range. Just off the top of my head, that's probably close to 15% of HOF RB's. Don't forget that FB's are included in that percentage.
My honest opinion is that he was a flash in the pan and reverted back to what he was drafted for. It was bad advise to get him to add weight and it was even worse for Kubiak to keep sending him back to return kickoffs when it was apparent he has no knack for it.

dream_team
01-02-2011, 01:42 PM
I disagree with you on that. There are quite a few backs in his size range that have been, and are, very productive. A few of them are in the HOF- Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders, Tony Dorsett, Thurman Thomas- all in SS's size range. Just off the top of my head, that's probably close to 15% of HOF RB's. Don't forget that FB's are included in that percentage.
My honest opinion is that he was a flash in the pan and reverted back to what he was drafted for. It was bad advise to get him to add weight and it was even worse for Kubiak to keep sending him back to return kickoffs when it was apparent he has no knack for it.

I agree, I think it was wrong of him to add some weight. That, plus the fumbles, really screwed up his confidence. Who knows if his confidence will come back? That's why I'm hoping he goes elsewhere and tries to start off fresh somewhere else.

If not, he's a great 3rd string RB in my opinion.

DexmanC
01-02-2011, 02:20 PM
Stop being so logical and rational.

That Tate kid is as good as done. I mean, you act as if a Texans running back might actually regress the year after having a 1,000+ rushing season. Absurd. We only need Foster and should just release Ward, or maybe package him with Tate in a deal for a TE. Preferably a TE prone to injury, specifically leg injuries.

Might as well try and get something for our two loser RBs.

And this talk about Cowher? Pffftttt....LOL. He's overrated. I wouldn't want him with the star-in-the-making we have right now. It took Tom Landry six years to become a legend. Not gonna' jinx us with such foolishness as abandoning Gurry Kubiak.

Yeah. Texans fans need to take this advice. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSf8own4b9M)

Jrod7451
01-02-2011, 02:37 PM
I say we give him some touches this next preseason and build him up so we can eventually have a one two punch from our running back position. I do think that we trade steve slaton for a 6th or 7th round pick because he is obviosuly done in Houston. I am also tired of watching him return kickoffs when we have Jacoby that is far superior than him. But Slaton is done.

DocBar
01-02-2011, 03:00 PM
Foster is nothing like Slaton. Foster has the speed, size, vision, and power that you need in a RB. He's consistent with his yards. If you remember Slaton, he'd go for 2 yards, -1 yard, 1 yards, and then bust a 40 yard run. Rinse and repeat. Foster will pick up five yard chunks like it's nothing.

I'm not saying anything negative at all about Foster. It would be prudent to see him do it 2 years in a row (at least) before he's given some kind of crazy big contract. Foster has had some struggles this year, though.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/518611/arian-foster