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Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 01:23 PM
Why didnt we make the playoffs last year?

What will the excuse be in 2011 when we don't make it? because we sure as hell already have the excuse this year.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

Mixgosu
01-01-2011, 02:23 PM
Id like to see how the kubiak defenders feel about Wade P coming in and making us a playoff team......if we already had a great defense last yr and missed..

wagonhed
01-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Actually, this is a great point. Our offense was also better last year. What went wrong? Kubiak mistake after Kubiak mistake. Kris Brown and refusing to replace him. Chris Brown and continuing to give him the ball. Those two players lost at least 3 games for us and it is 100% on Kubiak, not on the offense or the defense. Kubiak finds ways to lose even when the O and the D are running on all cylinders.

Wolf
01-01-2011, 02:48 PM
I think. Some of y'alls hatred of Kubiak has clouded your judgement
And no..we didn't have a great defense.

Defense was all on frank bush

Lucky
01-01-2011, 02:56 PM
Defense was all on frank bush
Why is that? Did Bush select all of the players on the defense? Decide whom to draft, whom to sign in free agency? Were all of the coaching hires on the defensive side Bush guys?

Does the head coach have zero input on defensive strategy, player selection, coaching technique? He's completely obsolved of all responsibility in regards to the defense?

You're not the only one who sees it that way. Coach Teflon has a lot of fans fooled.

midway
01-01-2011, 02:57 PM
I think. Some of y'alls hatred of Kubiak has clouded your judgement
And no..we didn't have a great defense.

Defense was all on frank bush

Definitely, I know that in every company I've worked, once you hire someone you're absolved of all responsibilities for how well they do their job. Once they're hired, as their manager, their performance doesn't reflect on you at all, and you are given unlimited chances to hire people who suck at their job.

Wolf
01-01-2011, 03:05 PM
Why is that? Did Bush select all of the players on the defense? Decide whom to draft, whom to sign in free agency? Were all of the coaching hires on the defensive side Bush guys?

Does the head coach have zero input on defensive strategy, player selection, coaching technique? He's completely obsolved of all responsibility in regards to the defense?

You're not the only one who sees it that way. Coach Teflon has a lot of fans fooled.
sure Kubiak takes the blame being he is the head coach, I don't deny that and if Bush had a problem with some coaches under him then that should have been addressed 2 years ago when he took over full time or not take the position if he felt he couldn't do what he needed to do.



“Right now, everybody’s at a loss for words and probably a loss of ideas in trying to figure out what needs to be done and get it on the right track,” defensive end Antonio Smith said Monday.
(BTW that is the job of the Coordinator )

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7296036.html
Coach Gary Kubiak said defensive coordinator Frank Bush will continue to make the calls. Kubiak was asked about senior defensive assistant Ray Rhodes, who won five Super Bowl rings as a defensive coach and was regarded as one of the league’s best coordinators.

“Frank will call the defense,” Kubiak said. “Ray’s been sitting about six inches from him (in the coaches’ booth) for the last two years. Ray’s a part of what we’re doing. They’re all in it together. We’ve got to figure out a way to do better, but we won’t change who’s calling (the defense).”

thunderkyss
01-01-2011, 03:05 PM
Actually, this is a great point. Our offense was also better last year. What went wrong? Kubiak mistake after Kubiak mistake. Kris Brown and refusing to replace him. Chris Brown and continuing to give him the ball. Those two players lost at least 3 games for us and it is 100% on Kubiak, not on the offense or the defense. Kubiak finds ways to lose even when the O and the D are running on all cylinders.

I wouldn't say we were running on all cylinders. We couldn't run the ball for squat, we couldn't score in the red zone, & we couldn't pick up 3rd & 1.

But your overall point is correct. How in the world, can we have a top 5 offense, the year's best QB, best receiver, a top 10 rushing defense (13th overall) & win only 9 games?

Then there were 4 teams in the AFC that finished 9-7 in 2009. The Pittsburgh Steelers, The New York Jets, The Baltimore Ravens, & yes the Houston Texans.

The Steelers & Ravens are 11-4, one of those teams will win their division, they've both clinched a play-off spot. The Jets are 10-5 & clinched a Wild-Card berth. The Texans are 5-10.... last place in the AFC South.

At the end of last season, I thought GK did such a good job assembling this team, that any coach could have came in here & get us to double digit wins. Even with injuries, even against our schedule, because I knew not all the teams on our schedule would be as good as they were in 2009, because I knew those teams would have to deal with injuries as well. I never thought we would lose to teams like the Cowboys (who were in disarray when we played them), the Giants (who were in disarray when we played them), the Colts & the Chargers (who were injury stricken when we played them) & Denver starting a rookie QB for the first time.

The team is good enough, there's no doubt in my mind about that. You don't come from behind, 24+ deficits erased, against the teams we did just that against, with guys we picked up off the street in some cases..... if the team isn't any good. You can't do it if the coaches aren't any good either, but if your coaches were worth their salt, you'd never have gotten in those situations to begin with, at least not as frequently....

I can't for the life of me think of a reason for McNair to bring Kubiak back for another season. Not one.

So I refuse to believe the rumors.

Wolf
01-01-2011, 03:10 PM
look I am not saying Kubiak is free from any criticism because he is the one steering this ship and yes Bush was his boy that he picked and it turned out bad.

so come on monday and lets see what happens

Wolf
01-01-2011, 03:14 PM
if you pull these stats up, as good as our offense is (key word is good and not great) the defense is one upping it by being just a bit worse in every stat and we are negative 2 in the turnover department

http://www.nfl.com/teams/houstontexans/statistics?team=HOU

Maddict5
01-01-2011, 03:19 PM
i dont know what to say to anyone who thinks last yrs offence was better cos they obviously dont really get football. yes the passing game was a little more fluent & prob more prolific yds wise last yr, esp pre-OD's injury. but in terms of what a real quality offence is- balance wise, turnover wise and RZ wise it doesnt compare to this yrs model

yes this yrs offence starts slower for whatever reason but overall theres no comparison.

its pretty simple to show what cost us the playoffs last yr- RZ offence (esp running backs & oline) , turnovers (running backs) & kicker. never every game we lost can be traced to those problems. they were fixed for the most part this yr.

hopefully they can fix the secondary next yr. if they do & theres some new problem that causes us the playoffs then its pretty obvious kubiak will be gone

Texan_Bill
01-01-2011, 03:26 PM
I think. Some of y'alls hatred of Kubiak has clouded your judgement
And no..we didn't have a great defense.

Defense was all on frank bush

Why even engage? It's common knowledge that all the Texans woes AND Global Warming are all on Kubiak!! :runaway:

Wolf
01-01-2011, 03:34 PM
Why even engage? It's common knowledge that all the Texans woes AND Global Warming are all on Kubiak!! :runaway:

well, Bill you were called out (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78970)
:whistle:

houstonhurricane
01-01-2011, 03:39 PM
nm/

Lucky
01-01-2011, 03:44 PM
sure Kubiak takes the blame being he is the head coach...
Well, the point is that he doesn't get the blame. The coordinators get the axe, and Coach Teflon keeps his job and gets extensions. The guy is a defensive coordinator killer.

Beware, Wade. When Coach Teflon says it's on him, he really means it's on you.

“Frank will call the defense,” Kubiak said. “Ray’s been sitting about six inches from him (in the coaches’ booth) for the last two years. Ray’s a part of what we’re doing. They’re all in it together.
Ray Rhodes, I hope you're renting. I don't think you're part of the next re-organization.

dalemurphy
01-01-2011, 04:08 PM
Actually, this is a great point. Our offense was also better last year. What went wrong? Kubiak mistake after Kubiak mistake. Kris Brown and refusing to replace him. Chris Brown and continuing to give him the ball. Those two players lost at least 3 games for us and it is 100% on Kubiak, not on the offense or the defense. Kubiak finds ways to lose even when the O and the D are running on all cylinders.


There is certainly a valid argument in there somewhere. However, last year's offense was certainly not better than the one this year. Last year we couldn't run the ball at all. This season, we have an excellent running game. I also think we are scoring more points, committing fewer turnovers, and doing against a tougher schedule.

I agree that the ideal thing to happen this off-season is for Kubiak to be replaced by an elite coach. However, I think your perspective is a bit skewed. The '09 Texans had the same record as the '09 Jets, and the only reason Kubiak's team was not in the playoffs and Rex's team was in the playoffs was the fortunate way the schedule fell in place for the Jets, with two gimme games finishing their season against teams with nothing to play for.

bckey
01-01-2011, 04:17 PM
hopefully they can fix the secondary next yr. if they do & theres some new problem that causes us the playoffs then its pretty obvious kubiak will be gone


This is the same crap we hear every year from Kubiak defenders. The guy should have been fired already. Next year the excuses will start again. Too many fans in Houston accept mediocrity as the norm.



Look at this qoute from the comical:

“Frank will call the defense,” Kubiak said. “Ray’s been sitting about six inches from him (in the coaches’ booth) for the last two years. Ray’s a part of what we’re doing. They’re all in it together. We’ve got to figure out a way to do better, but we won’t change who’s calling (the defense).”



Kubiak throws Ray Rhodes under the bus here along with Bush and steps back like he had nothing to do with the whole mess. Then in the very next sentence Kubiak inserts himself as helping to solve the problem.

Dishman
01-01-2011, 04:20 PM
There is certainly a valid argument in there somewhere. However, last year's offense was certainly not better than the one this year. Last year we couldn't run the ball at all. This season, we have an excellent running game. I also think we are scoring more points, committing fewer turnovers, and doing against a tougher schedule.

I agree that the ideal thing to happen this off-season is for Kubiak to be replaced by an elite coach. However, I think your perspective is a bit skewed. The '09 Texans had the same record as the '09 Jets, and the only reason Kubiak's team was not in the playoffs and Rex's team was in the playoffs was the fortunate way the schedule fell in place for the Jets, with two gimme games finishing their season against teams with nothing to play for.

Am I crazy or if we had beaten the Jets when we played them then we may have been the team to make the playoffs? We just got outplayed/outcoached when it counted, as usual. The Jets may have had a softer schedule that you point out, but they beat those teams when they needed to. Broken down teams roll in here and look rejuvenated for 4 quarters.

bckey
01-01-2011, 04:21 PM
There is certainly a valid argument in there somewhere. However, last year's offense was certainly not better than the one this year. Last year we couldn't run the ball at all. This season, we have an excellent running game. I also think we are scoring more points, committing fewer turnovers, and doing against a tougher schedule.

I agree that the ideal thing to happen this off-season is for Kubiak to be replaced by an elite coach. However, I think your perspective is a bit skewed. The '09 Texans had the same record as the '09 Jets, and the only reason Kubiak's team was not in the playoffs and Rex's team was in the playoffs was the fortunate way the schedule fell in place for the Jets, with two gimme games finishing their season against teams with nothing to play for.

By the same token Dale the Texans got a gimme from the Patriots. I guarantee you if the Patriots would have needed to win that game they would have.

Maddict5
01-01-2011, 04:39 PM
Look at this qoute from the comical:

“Frank will call the defense,” Kubiak said. “Ray’s been sitting about six inches from him (in the coaches’ booth) for the last two years. Ray’s a part of what we’re doing. They’re all in it together. We’ve got to figure out a way to do better, but we won’t change who’s calling (the defense).”



Kubiak throws Ray Rhodes under the bus here along with Bush and steps back like he had nothing to do with the whole mess. Then in the very next sentence Kubiak inserts himself as helping to solve the problem.

handy how you missed that line isnt it?

its amazing the selective vision the kubiak detractors are suffering from these days.... keep pouncing on every tiny mis-speak by him though. way to keep the big picture in focus. he gave bush & rhodes all the credit when the D had their big turnaround last yr. better ignore that too

imatexan
01-01-2011, 04:48 PM
Yep Bob is the problem with our defense.
:facepalm:

steelbtexan
01-01-2011, 04:58 PM
Why even engage? It's common knowledge that all the Texans woes AND Global Warming are all on Kubiak!! :runaway:

Bill you said lets see how the season plays out when people were complaining against Kubiaks extention.

Well now that the seasons played out. What say you?

There's no accountability in the Texans organization.

bckey
01-01-2011, 06:48 PM
handy how you missed that line isnt it?

its amazing the selective vision the kubiak detractors are suffering from these days.... keep pouncing on every tiny mis-speak by him though. way to keep the big picture in focus. he gave bush & rhodes all the credit when the D had their big turnaround last yr. better ignore that too

With that line he is letting you know Ray is a part of what they're doing because people tend to forget about him up in the booth. When it gets specific to defense he steps back. Hey the defense was alot better last year and I was quick to give Bush credit for it after blasting him for it early on. But with Kubiak we have 79 games on record. And some people want another season to see if he can improve.

2slik4u
01-01-2011, 09:39 PM
Why even engage? It's common knowledge that all the Texans woes AND Global Warming are all on Kubiak!! :runaway:

Kubiak was the second gunman on the grassy knoll......

2slik4u
01-01-2011, 09:42 PM
Yep Bob is the problem with our defense.
:facepalm:

Dude, I was thinking the same thing.....

Not saying Bob is absolved of any wrong doing, but how do you take one facet of our team and blame the guy who signs the checks.

:kubepalm:

Big Lou
01-02-2011, 12:27 AM
Yep Bob is the problem with our defense.
:facepalm:

Its not all Schaub's fault??????


:sarcasm:

otisbean
01-02-2011, 08:36 AM
:kitten:Why didnt we make the playoffs last year?

What will the excuse be in 2011 when we don't make it? because we sure as hell already have the excuse this year.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

The defense was atrocious last year at the beginning of the year last year as well, we were 2-3 in the first 5 games. Considering we were in the playoff hunt until the very end I could make an argument the D was to blame last year as well. Additionally our short yardage offense was terrible as well, this accounted for several losses. This area improved greatly this season.

HJam72
01-02-2011, 08:49 AM
Why even engage? It's common knowledge that all the Texans woes AND Global Warming are all on Kubiak!! :runaway:

OMG, we have to solve global warming before we can get a good FS!

Lucky
01-02-2011, 10:13 AM
OMG, we have to solve global warming before we can get a good FS!
Global warming would be a great excuse for Coach Teflon. If the Texans would ever open the roof.


Additionally our short yardage offense was terrible as well, this accounted for several losses. This area improved greatly this season.
So we are close and on the right track. What a relief!

beerlover
01-02-2011, 10:51 AM
I've been giving this some thought & have come to the conclusion the Texans used personel better in 09 than they have this year (10). On defense Bush came into this season trying to play a more aggressive hybrid 4-3 with pass rush coming from standing DE/OLB but once Barwin went down they lost that ability, also impacted Mario. In three man fronts Okam was expected to hold the point but washed out & released mid-season followed by the loss of DeMeco, hence the middle became old softie again. to make matters worse they moved Cushing inside & they lost outside containment plus whatever pass rush from the Linebacker position they use to have. All the while young corners where in press coverage man to man, until it got so bad (lack of help over the top) they went soft cover 2 thus removing all aggressive capability to stop the pass underneath or over the top. But also out of futility comes realization of players strengths vs weakness like Pollard is a liability in converage but excellent around the line of scrimmage & in blitzing situations. So you can re-tool the defense using players strengths.

Boils down to if you can't get your team to play fast, your in trouble. They can't play fast if their thinking all the time about where to line up, whos covering who & what area is their responsiblity. Running a bunch of different coverages is one thing (not difficult), giving them multiple jobs is another. TCU keeps it simple, Gary Patterson calls his philosophy behind the 4-2-5 'multiplicity but simplicity. Go to a three man front & you go from 5 (three safties/two cb's) secondary to 6 (add nickle corner). I really think this type of system fits Pollard (three-safety system also keeps a fast defender on tight ends and running backs coming out of the backfield plus ability to blitz more). Texans will need to draft a true cover FS in the draft, the other can be a safety who is fast & hits. DeMeco & Cushing are your two LB's. Barwin coming back, to the DL, will need insurance via draft or free agency plus a premier DT with UT skill or ability to play some nose (depends who is available in the first maybe second rd.).

:twocents:

Wolf
01-02-2011, 10:58 AM
I forgot about Barwin going out. I was thinking always thinking of Demeco being out and while watching Slaton returning kicks ,I wondered how Holliday would have done back there

Lucky
01-02-2011, 11:03 AM
...I wondered how Holliday would have done back there
Trindon would've been benched by Coach Teflon for missing a meeting. Holliday would not have actually missed the meeting. Just that no one could see him from behind the table.