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Mixgosu
12-30-2010, 11:47 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7360542.html

McLame is now reporting that its a done deal and will be announced at season's end.

Was just posted on the Chron website. Here's a few excerpts



Unless something like a blowout loss to Jacksonville in Sunday’s game at Reliant Stadium causes him to have an 11th-hour change of heart, McNair will bring back Kubiak for his sixth season, two people familiar with the situation said on Thursday.

McNair has declined to comment on Kubiak’s job situation since Dec. 15, but three people close to the owner said he’s angry, disappointed and frustrated with the Texans’ 5-10 record that includes eight losses in nine games.

They say, however, that McNair believes the offense is in good hands with Kubiak overseeing it but that he wants to improve the defense dramatically.

JB
12-30-2010, 11:53 PM
This is not breaking news...

Yesterday
12-30-2010, 11:55 PM
Breaking or not, what a joke. The two biggest failures of coaches on one team...what more could you ask for???

And when a top five coach like Cowher says he wants to come here!!

texasguy346
12-30-2010, 11:55 PM
http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1797bottle-rocket-nut-shot-animated-gif.gif

beerlover
12-30-2010, 11:55 PM
This is not breaking news...

I don't know, sounds pretty definitive

good time for another :bender:

djohn2oo8
12-30-2010, 11:57 PM
So what if Wade doesn't want the job?

Dishman
12-30-2010, 11:57 PM
So, McNair doesn't recognize the offense has serious issues that need to be addressed, i.e. consistent play for 4 quarters? There's more to what ails the Texans than the Bush and Gibbs alone.

But, hey whatever.

imatexan
12-30-2010, 11:58 PM
Breaking or not, what a joke. The two biggest failures of coaches on one team...what more could you ask for???

And when a top five coach like Cowher says he wants to come here!!

Cowher said he wanted to come coach The Texans?

txwoodchuck
12-30-2010, 11:59 PM
He's disapointed??? He has no clue. 5 years in and they still make rookie mistakes. 10 men on the field twice last week? "Com'On Man"!!

Mixgosu
12-30-2010, 11:59 PM
McNair's fail train is about to depart....all aboard...

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5026/jetpack.gif

TexanDave
12-31-2010, 12:03 AM
I don't know what to think but I can say please don't bring over Brian Stewart from UH. I am a huge UH fan and I can honestly say my Cougars have a WORSE defense than the Texans.

Koolaid Time
12-31-2010, 12:05 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/854/original/vader_NOOOO.jpg?1252269495

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 12:09 AM
I can get behind Kubiak. So long as he changes some things, like clock management.

But...whoever thought that having Glover Quinn as the most experienced CB on the squad was a good idea for a playoff team should be fired.

texanchris
12-31-2010, 12:10 AM
:mariopalm::kubepalm::facepalm::wadepalm:
maybe 2 "Aw Shucks" coaches will somehow motivate their team.

djohn2oo8
12-31-2010, 12:10 AM
I can get behind Kubiak. So long as he changes some things, like clock management.

But...whoever thought that having Glover Quinn as the most experienced CB on the squad was a good idea for a playoff team should be fired.

Gary Kubiak

eriadoc
12-31-2010, 12:11 AM
I don't know what to think but I can say please don't bring over Brian Stewart from UH. I am a huge UH fan and I can honestly say my Cougars have a WORSE defense than the Texans.

UH has the worst defense ever, but Brian Stewart just got there. The guy last year (forget his name) is the one that set us back big time on defense.

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 12:12 AM
Gary Kubiak
If that was him, at the very least I'd like to see him admit it. It's an idiotic move for someone who's been in the league since the 80s.

m5kwatts
12-31-2010, 12:18 AM
What a joke. This is how we change the culture and try to cozy up our organization with winners?

TexansFight
12-31-2010, 12:22 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL

Corrosion
12-31-2010, 12:22 AM
This is not breaking news...

This is not breaking news to some of us ..... :chickendance:

texasguy346
12-31-2010, 12:25 AM
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/4766/angryjesusb.jpg

TexansFanatic
12-31-2010, 12:28 AM
I wish you'd die

I share your disgust with the franchise's ownership and direction, but dude....

JB
12-31-2010, 12:28 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL



Really? That's sad man. Real sad.

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 12:29 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL

Uhhh. Seriously? One too many Red Bulls today you think? :mcnugget:

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 12:29 AM
I share your disgust with the franchise's ownership and direction, but dude....

I busted out laughing when I read his response...lol , im sure he isn't the only one feeling that way...

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 12:32 AM
The sad thing is that McNair thinks that he's building a Pittsburg Steeler type franchise. Truth is, the Steelers would have fired Kubiak after year 3.

McNair thinks that because the Steelers never fired anybody, that, therefore, he should never fire anyone, either (Capers is an exception because he was the first coach) and give them as much time as they need to "get it right."

Meanwhile, Raheem Morris, whom Tampa Bucs fans hated when he was hired, has his formerly-terrible team rocking and rolling in the competitive NFC South (except for Carolina).

Honestly, we may have to get used to Kubiak around for 8 to 10 years at the least, regardless of his record.

jaayteetx
12-31-2010, 12:33 AM
Well, shit, that sucks:wadepalm:

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 12:37 AM
KHOU has just posted a story trying to refute McGobble

http://www.khou.com/sports/football/Source-Texans-havent-offered-Wade-Phillips-position-112699919.html


wonder if McClain's even credible? He was the one gobbling for hours and hours that we would draft Toby Gerhart..

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 12:38 AM
Personally, i think it will happen...no way a job would be offered to Wade while the season is still alive and Bush at the helm.....
:kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm::kubepalm:

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 12:39 AM
wonder if McClain's even credible? He was the one gobbling for hours and hours that we would draft Toby Gerhart..

Oh, that's right. I think we realized a year ago or so that he had lost his connections to the team and had no more inside info.

What was it that gave him credibility again?

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 12:41 AM
KHOU has just posted a story trying to refute McGobble

http://www.khou.com/sports/football/Source-Texans-havent-offered-Wade-Phillips-position-112699919.html


wonder if McClain's even credible? He was the one gobbling for hours and hours that we would draft Toby Gerhart..

Well, but, McClain's sources inside the Texans have nothing to do with the fact that Bum Phillips doesn't know about an upcoming offer. It's possible that someone inside the Texans told McClain that an offer is coming. That doesn't mean that Bum Phillips would know about it.

Trust me, I want to agree with you, however.

TexansFight
12-31-2010, 12:43 AM
I share your disgust with the franchise's ownership and direction, but dude....

The only hope we have it seems for Uncle Bob to bite the big one and hope that his son is a much smarter and capable owner. Obviously, I don't wish anyone's death because that is wrong but that honestly is basically the only hope we have for change in the future as McNair has proven definitively that he just doesn't get it and is a complete moron as a NFL owner.

The Colts were a as big a joke as the Texans until the Irsay son took over after his father's death. Just stating the cold, hard truth.

J_R
12-31-2010, 12:44 AM
Well, Mark Berman at FOX26 has posted just about the same story. (Kubiak retained, Phillips likely to be hired, Brian Stewart possible candidate for DB job)


HOUSTON - As FOX 26 Sports reported Wednesday night there are strong indications Houston Texans (http://boards.houstontexans.com/#) owner Bob McNair will retain head coach Gary Kubiak.

NFL sources also indicate the Texans are expected to go after former Dallas Cowboys head coach Wade Phillips to become their new defensive coordinator.

If that holds up one possibility for the Texans secondary coach is University of Houston (http://boards.houstontexans.com/#) defensive coordinator Brian Stewart.

Stewart was the secondary coach in San Diego (2004-2006) when Phillips was the defensive coordinator of the Chargers and Stewart was the defensive coordinator (2007-2008) of the Cowboys during the first three two years Phillips was the head coach in Dallas.

Any decisions McNair reaches will not become public until after the season is over.


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/101230-kubiak-and-phillips-may-join-forces

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 12:46 AM
This franchise is a ****ing joke, except the only people that get to enjoy the punchline are our divisional rivals and other NFL fans. I can't believe there's another poster who actually created a thread criticizing other fans for making the decision to pull the plug on their PSLs with decisions like this, especially with the economy we currently live it.

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 12:49 AM
Well, Mark Berman at FOX26 has posted just about the same story. (Kubiak retained, Phillips likely to be hired, Brian Stewart possible candidate for DB job)

say it aint so....

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 12:50 AM
It's common knowledge that if something isn't working, you change it so it will work. It's easy for me to say McNair is making a huge mistake here.

Of course, Uncle Bob is worth a couple billion and I shop at the clearance section at outlet stores. Something tells me he knows how to manage his investments.

Ghostform
12-31-2010, 12:52 AM
Does this mean the team will be 5-7 after 12 games?

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 12:57 AM
It's common knowledge that if something isn't working, you change it so it will work. It's easy for me to say McNair is making a huge mistake here.

Of course, Uncle Bob is worth a couple billion and I shop at the clearance section at outlet stores. Something tells me he knows how to manage his investments.

If Bob McNair were the CEO and he was in charge of managing a company he would have two goals 1) building brand share and 2) deliver financial results. Based on what he's done to date he would be fired immediately by the board of directors. Sure he is driving bottom line results but the long term brand stability of the organization is not on the right course by maintaining the executive management below him (Bush, Kubiak, Smith)......

To be a brilliant business leader....you have to drive financial results along with elevating brand equity. Bob is only focusing on one (financials)....he is ****ing with the brand by pissing off the fans right now.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 12:57 AM
It's common knowledge that if something isn't working, you change it so it will work. It's easy for me to say McNair is making a huge mistake here.

Of course, Uncle Bob is worth a couple billion and I shop at the clearance section at outlet stores. Something tells me he knows how to manage his investments.

Throwing the B.S. flag on that one... Becoming a success in the business world doesn't automatically translate to becoming a success in the sports world, especially if your owner runs the team like a business and doesn't have the fire in his belly to WIN!.

Business wise, Bob McNair is one of the most successful owners in the world...hell he has one of the top 10 most profitable franchises in the entire world, he's "managing his investment", but where are the wins?

If being a billionaire and being successful in the business world automatically guaranteed you'd be successful in the sports world (as in wins on the field), then we wouldn't have owners like Donald Sterling, the Ford family, and now Bob freaking McNair. Bob's success outside of football has little to do with him being guaranteed success in football...unless you count the bottom dollar where Bob is kicking ass, but it's the only place where he's kicking ass.

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 01:00 AM
This franchise is a ****ing joke, except the only people that get to enjoy the punchline are our divisional rivals and other NFL fans. I can't believe there's another poster who actually created a thread criticizing other fans for making the decision to pull the plug on their PSLs with decisions like this, especially with the economy we currently live it.

Wait. But, Derek is the best Texans fan in the world. You didn't know that?

As I told someone yesterday, McNair thinks that the economy is hunky dory. It ain't. People are still struggling, and have to make choices.

Trap_Star
12-31-2010, 01:01 AM
*sigh*

I can already sense what will happen here going foward...

this team is going to start 0-4 next year, and Bob will be forced to cave into the pressure and let Kubiak go, just to make Wade the interim HC and watch him go 6-6 the rest of way...which in turn will make Bob think that's good enough to take the interim tag off and make him the HC for 2012 going foward.


*sigh*

FML

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 01:01 AM
Throwing the B.S. flag on that one... Becoming a success in the business world doesn't automatically translate to becoming a success in the sports world, especially if your owner runs the team like a business and doesn't have the fire in his belly to WIN. Business wise, Bob McNair is one of the most successful owners in the league...hell he has one of the top 10 most profitable franchise in the entire world, he's "managing his investment", but where are the wins?

If being a billionaire and being successful in the business world automatically guaranteed you'd be successful in the sports world, then we wouldn't have owners like Donald Sterling, the Ford family, and now Bob freaking McNair. Bob's success outside of football has little to do with him being guaranteed success in football...unless you count the bottom dollar where Bob is kicking ass, but it's the only place where he's kicking ass.

to be quite frank.....if a crystal ball shows us not having playoffs for the next 10 yrs with this owner...I'd be happy if he just takes this team with him and GTFO of Houston. I'm sure there would be another billionaire who will come along and want to deliver a winning team.

ArlingtonTexan
12-31-2010, 01:03 AM
*sigh*

I can already sense what will happen here going foward...

this team is going to start 0-4 next year, and Bob will be forced to cave into the pressure and let Kubiak go, just to make Wade the interim HC and watch him go 6-6 the rest of way...which in turn will make Bob think that's good enough to take the interim tag off and make him the HC for 2012 going foward.


*sigh*

FML

Oh you mean something close to what happened with Wade's last heading coaching gig. :wadepalm:

fiasco west
12-31-2010, 01:04 AM
The only hope we have it seems for Uncle Bob to bite the big one and hope that his son is a much smarter and capable owner. Obviously, I don't wish anyone's death because that is wrong but that honestly is basically the only hope we have for change in the future as McNair has proven definitively that he just doesn't get it and is a complete moron as a NFL owner.

The Colts were a as big a joke as the Texans until the Irsay son took over after his father's death. Just stating the cold, hard truth.

They will go right back to being a joke too once Peyton Manning leaves that team.

Either way i'm not THAT disappointed if this is the decision. To keep kubes and bring in a guy like Wade. I've always thought that was very likely with the NFL's current situation and all.

I do not like the excuse of blaming the defense though, the Head Coach is responsible for both sides of the ball and ST as well.

Either way i'll still be rooting for the team come next year.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 01:05 AM
to be quite frank.....if a crystal ball shows us not having playoffs for the next 10 yrs with this owner...I'd be happy if he just takes this team with him and GTFO of Houston. I'm sure there would be another billionaire who will come along and want to deliver a winning team.

Oh please...like you are going to be happy with no team. Seriously...

ArlingtonTexan
12-31-2010, 01:05 AM
Does this mean the team will be 5-7 after 12 games?

Yes. :kubepalm:

Trap_Star
12-31-2010, 01:06 AM
Yes. :kubepalm:

:wadepalm:

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 01:06 AM
Oh please...like you are going to be happy with no team. Seriously...

the Lions improved this year.....

fiasco west
12-31-2010, 01:08 AM
Oh please...like you are going to be happy with no team. Seriously...

Yeah F that. I really doubt Houston would be able to draw a 3rd team. LA is having a hard time doing that. Good thing Houston should have never lost it's first team and I really can't see any way possible Houston loses the Texans any way.

NitroGSXR
12-31-2010, 01:12 AM
McNair can announce whatever he wants. I'll continue to wait until Black Monday to get here. A lot can happen between then. I'm especially going to be interested in how the players and fans respond. Reliant's going to be a mess come Sunday.

Whatever happens... go Texans.

Houston_Fanatic
12-31-2010, 01:13 AM
Why do people always assume that because you are rich that you are smart? Contracts are awarded and businesses are promoted on "connections" not intelligence. It is not "what" you know but "who" you know. And this does not help you at all when it comes to building a winning sports franchise.

:kubepalm:

TimeKiller
12-31-2010, 01:18 AM
......bringing in an experienced DC....

.......a year late and a playoff berth short....

Topher
12-31-2010, 01:20 AM
http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/Big333223/noooooo.jpg

bckey
12-31-2010, 01:21 AM
Why do people always assume that because you are rich that you are smart? Contracts are awarded and businesses are promoted on "connections" not intelligence. It is not "what" you know but "who" you know. And this does not help you at all when it comes to building a winning sports franchise.

:kubepalm:

True but painful. I am actually thinking of converting to be a Cowboys fan after 50 friggin years of sh*t with Houston. And that comes from someone that was born at St. Joesephs downtown. 50 years of losing and all I get is McNair. What a joke.

midway
12-31-2010, 01:25 AM
Shit like this makes me happy that I'll be out of the country next year and unable to watch games live unless I want to be up at 3am for kickoff. It's easier just to check ESPN and see that we lost by 1 point by getting a hold in the endzone while we were in the victory formation.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 01:26 AM
True but painful. I am actually thinking of converting to be a Cowboys fan after 50 friggin years of sh*t with Houston. And that comes from someone that was born at St. Joesephs downtown. 50 years of losing and all I get is McNair. What a joke.

Honestly, I can't blame you for thinking like that....and I hate that team. However, they do not put up with B.S. like this and nobody here can realistically knock on the Cowboys. For as big of a ass as Jerry Jones is, he's miles ahead of McNair and a MUCH better owner. Even if he's self destructive at times, atleast there's accountability and he demands a winner.

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 01:30 AM
Honestly, I can't blame you for thinking like that....and I hate that team. However, they do not put up with B.S. like this and nobody here can realistically knock on the Cowboys. For as big of a ass as Jerry Jones is, he's miles ahead of McNair and a MUCH better owner, even if he's self destructive at times, atleast there's accountability and he demands a winner.

Jerry Jones said on 60 minutes a few weeks ago: "Stats are for losers."

All he cares about are W's.

The guy can be a buffoon, but I respect his drive.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 01:40 AM
We are NFL Aggy.

PERIOD. See this is my problem...let's say we do indeed make the playoffs next year...(ha, yeah right...it's no wonder this was my only year I chose them to make it..NEVER AGAIN with this regime)

coaching is going to get us beat in the playoffs, too.

And guess what??? We'll all be back saying Kubiak should be fired. But he won't, because the owner saw a playoff year that was obviously done in SPITE of this coach.

But hey, I gotta support em...I don't know any other way...

I HATE this move, but...

It is what it is.

MFG16
12-31-2010, 01:54 AM
McNair better be F'n serious about having "drastic" changes on the defensive side of the ball (since hes keeping Kubiak). If hes just talking about coaching changes then itll be another season of :kubepalm: with :wadepalm:. We better go out and get top notch players on defense. Trade for a Nnamdi Asomugha, Open up the pocket book in FA, make Rick Smith get not just one but dozens of players in FA. Since this is the road we are (likely) taking, the defense next year better be unrecognizable.

Mr. White
12-31-2010, 02:56 AM
I'm getting ready for the announcement on Monday. The only thing that'll make this medicine go down any easier is if Wade Phillips is actually at the press conference.

I think it's a no-brainer to bring in that guy. It'll be the first real DC that the Texans have ever had.

Wolf6151
12-31-2010, 03:33 AM
If this rumor comes true then the Texans don't need a new HC, they need a new owner. This is ridiculous and McNair is an *****.

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2010, 03:41 AM
McNair can announce whatever he wants. I'll continue to wait until Black Monday to get here. A lot can happen between then. I'm especially going to be interested in how the players and fans respond. Reliant's going to be a mess come Sunday.

Whatever happens... go Texans.

It's the only thing most fans have to hope for. If Reliant is a mess on Sunday (fans not showing up, no enthusiasm in the crowd, and players show even more quit on Kubiak), then I don't know how McNair can keep him. They Texans not knowing what the hell they are doing as made me an even bigger Rockets fan. That's a franchise dedicated to winning.

m5kwatts
12-31-2010, 03:44 AM
Does anyone else find it odd that a coach with playoff wins and multiple 10+ win seasons at his previous head coaching job would immediately take a demotion and go coordinate for a coach whose never done either of those things (playoffs, 10+ wins)?

I don't think Wade Phillips will take a defensive coordinator job (especially a mess like ours) without testing the head coaching waters for a few years.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 03:44 AM
I guess I'm one of the few that likes this. I figured this was the most likely scenario since Phillips was fired and said he'd be happy to be a DC. I think he'll be a good coordinator for us. I think this is the quickest route to the playoffs for us.

MojoX
12-31-2010, 03:53 AM
I guess I'm one of the few that likes this. I figured this was the most likely scenario since Phillips was fired and said he'd be happy to be a DC. I think he'll be a good coordinator for us. I think this is the quickest route to the playoffs for us.

Hell, I'll go on record stating I like this move, too. If Kubiak stays, a defensive guru must come in. Hopefully, the new DC-Assistant head coach, knowing how to construct a defense, can help guide player evaluation.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 03:54 AM
I'm refraining from losing my mind until after the season is over and a decision is made. I refuse to base my insanity off rumors.

b0ng
12-31-2010, 04:02 AM
I guess I'm one of the few that likes this. I figured this was the most likely scenario since Phillips was fired and said he'd be happy to be a DC. I think he'll be a good coordinator for us. I think this is the quickest route to the playoffs for us.

I don't particularly like the move but I'm not so upset by it that I'll be setting children on fire in the offseason. I'm interested in seeing what scheme we use and how the defense changes over the course of the offseason. But I don't have the hope of us going anywhere or doing anything next year like I did before this season started.

Mike Kerns
12-31-2010, 04:03 AM
This pretty much sums up how I feel about Bob McNair right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afbLb8A6oSE

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2010, 04:07 AM
I don't particularly like the move but I'm not so upset by it that I'll be setting children on fire in the offseason. I'm interested in seeing what scheme we use and how the defense changes over the course of the offseason. But I don't have the hope of us going anywhere or doing anything next year like I did before this season started.

I'm pretty sure the defense will improve, but Kubiak has shown me exactly nothing as a HC that has me believe he will improve. It will be another season with nice stats, but no results.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 04:09 AM
I'm pretty sure the defense will improve, but Kubiak has shown me exactly nothing as a HC that has me believe he will improve. It will be another season with nice stats, but no results.

6-10(8-10 with 18 gms) or 8-8 (9-9)...


No playoffs, and if they do get there...1st round and out by way of ROUT on the road.

Ryan
12-31-2010, 04:24 AM
Whatever.....just whatever. That's what this team, this head coach, this owner, this organization has become to me....just whatever.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 04:34 AM
Whatever.....just whatever. That's what this team, this head coach, this owner, this organization has become to me....just whatever.

Most people's (not mine...) thoughts on the Astros.

machineo
12-31-2010, 04:48 AM
Heart breaking news. The inbred love triangle between A&M, Denver, and Houston now adopts the Phillips family.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 04:59 AM
Most people's (not mine...) thoughts on the Astros.

These thoughts drive me crazy. I love Houston sports teams because it is where I'm from and I can't imagine chering for any other.

But why? I've stepped in the city maybe twice in the last 10 years and not lived there in 17. I follow the teams religiously and what do I get in return? A nice swift kick in the balls.

I have been all over the world and have been the only Houston sports fan that I know of. A sports bar I frequented in VA Beach felt so bad for me after the 2 win season that they let me drink for free.

I've run into ONE other Houston Texan fan in my travels and that was in Jacksnoville, NC. I asked if she was from Houston and she said "No. I just pick the worst team I can find and follow them till they win a Super Bowl."

My wife is from Saint Louis and it's extremely difficult not to jump on board that train. At least I can call the Rams my NFC team, Super Bowl wins and currently on the rebound.

I feel like I might as well be from Cleveland.

I hate to say it but absolutely no one, and I mean NO ONE outside of Houston could give a rats ass about Houston sports and that's a shame and it frustrates the absolute crap out of me.

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2010, 05:03 AM
These thoughts drive me crazy. I love Houston sports teams because it is where I'm from and I can't imagine chering for any other.

But why? I've stepped in the city maybe twice in the last 10 years and not lived there in 17. I follow the teams religiously and what do I get in return? A nice swift kick in the balls.

I have been all over the world and have been the only Houston sports fan that I know of. A sports bar I frequented in VA Beach felt so bad for me after the 2 win season that they let me drink for free.

I've run into ONE other Houston Texan fan in my travels and that was in Jacksnoville, NC. I asked if she was from Houston and she said "No. I just pick the worst team I can find and follow them till they win a Super Bowl."

My wife is from Saint Louis and it's extremely difficult not to jump on board that train. At least I can call the Rams my NFC team, Super Bowl wins and currently on the rebound.

I feel like I might as well be from Cleveland.

I hate to say it but absolutely no one, and I mean NO ONE outside of Houston could give a rats ass about Houston sports and that's a shame and it frustrates the absolute crap out of me.

I think the Rockets are at least relevant.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 05:23 AM
I think the Rockets are at least relevant.

No, because everyone writes them off as being lucky that Jordan retired. Case in point, the SI debacle.

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2010, 05:27 AM
No, because everyone writes them off as being lucky that Jordan retired. Case in point, the SI debacle.

Somebody had to win those two championships (despite Jordan playing in the playoffs during the Rockets' second championship run).

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 05:36 AM
Somebody had to win those two championships (despite Jordan playing in the playoffs during the Rockets' second championship run).

I wouldn't call them very relevent though. Being Houston sports fan sucks because no one outside the city cares. You can fnd Cubs fans everywhere. Browns? Yep, find them too. KC Royals, no, but I can find Chiefs fans.

Houston? Never. Whether it's Rockets, Astros or Texans there are no fans to be found.

I don't know why this drives me nuts. Maybe it's the fact that I feel alone in my misery and it's really getting old.

TEXANJAK
12-31-2010, 05:42 AM
I can stand behind this as long as Bob tells them its playoffs or fired next year. Wade couldn't make it as head coach but neither could Capers but he runs a good defense, same could be said with Phillips.I say get him in here and see what happens.Could take some pressure off of Kubiak allow him to couch better and not hold Bush's hand.You have to wonder if the defense was 50% better could we have managed the clock better and be in the playoffs.(Then we would not be wanting Kubiak out of here)

GuerillaBlack
12-31-2010, 05:54 AM
I wouldn't call them very relevent though. Being Houston sports fan sucks because no one outside the city cares. You can fnd Cubs fans everywhere. Browns? Yep, find them too. KC Royals, no, but I can find Chiefs fans.

Houston? Never. Whether it's Rockets, Astros or Texans there are no fans to be found.

I don't know why this drives me nuts. Maybe it's the fact that I feel alone in my misery and it's really getting old.

The Rockets actually have fans all over. Ever catch a Rockets game when they are the away team? Look at the crowd. You'll see plenty of Rockets Red.

I can stand behind this as long as Bob tells them its playoffs or fired next year. Wade couldn't make it as head coach but neither could Capers but he runs a good defense, same could be said with Phillips.I say get him in here and see what happens.Could take some pressure off of Kubiak allow him to couch better and not hold Bush's hand.You have to wonder if the defense was 50% better could we have managed the clock better and be in the playoffs.(Then we would not be wanting Kubiak out of here)

But Gary Kubiak is not Mike McCarthy.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 06:01 AM
Rockets ought to gain some fans here soon. They at least play balls out and don't have near the level of talent for their sport as the Texans do.

Their owner and GM bust their ass and spend all the $$ they can to try to WIN every year.

If Kubiak is kept, Bob McNair is now the WORST owner in Houston so move over Drayton. This is an effing joke. Words cannot describe how I feel on this message board without getting myself kicked off of it.

Bob...thank you for bringing football back to Houston and I really mean that!

But Bob...eff you x10 for making said football in Houston and pretty much the entire city a EFFING JOKE!! (this is all said with the assumption that it sounds like Kubiak is in fact staying)

And before anyone starts some shit they can't finish.....I'll always be a fan of the Texans like I have been since day 1....but that doesn't mean I have to accept this bullshit.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 06:13 AM
The Rockets actually have fans all over. Ever catch a Rockets game when they are the away team? Look at the crowd. You'll see plenty of Rockets Red.

Maybe I need to watch more basketball then. As for the others... nothing.

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 06:32 AM
I wouldn't call them very relevent though. Being Houston sports fan sucks because no one outside the city cares. You can fnd Cubs fans everywhere. Browns? Yep, find them too. KC Royals, no, but I can find Chiefs fans.

Houston? Never. Whether it's Rockets, Astros or Texans there are no fans to be found.

I don't know why this drives me nuts. Maybe it's the fact that I feel alone in my misery and it's really getting old.

I see astro fans in other cities all the time.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2010, 06:43 AM
I see astro fans in other cities all the time.

I didn't make my comment to start a "Who's Seen More Houston Fans" thread. I'm just relaying what I have seen. If you've seen other Houston fans around, thumbs up to ya.

Are they fans or people with the hats on? I see plenty of people in Korea with Astros hts on. You know why? They like the logo.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 06:50 AM
I didn't make my comment to start a "Who's Seen More Houston Fans" thread. I'm just relaying what I have seen. If you've seen other Houston fans around, thumbs up to ya.

Are they fans or people with the hats on? I see plenty of people in Korea with Astros hts on. You know why? They like the logo.


Lol....no the reason why here is because the 2005 World Series gear that had to be made in case the Astros won the championship got dumped their.

Like what they do when the Super Bowl comes and the print championship winning T-shirts and all that for both teams. The losing teams gear gets shipped to needy kids in Africa and stuff.

Saw something on ESPN one time where there are all these kids that have Seattle Seahawks T-shirts that have Super Bowl XL Champions on them....lol

I guess the Buffalo Bills clothed half of Nigeria back in the 90's!!

Maddict5
12-31-2010, 07:20 AM
im good with this. wade can co-ordinate, the D should be able to hold up its own end with him and some new personnel and everyone will forget all this if they do

Grams
12-31-2010, 07:50 AM
If Kubiak is kept, any enthusiam I had left will just go down the drain.

A new DC - while a great idea - will not correct all the clock management, 2 min offense, offensive play calling crap, turning his back on his "kids" during game changing plays, etc.

We are likely to end up imploding like the Cowgirls did earlier if the HC is not the one to hire the DC.

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 08:14 AM
To maintain fan base and ensure re-upping of ticket sales, expect the same old tired Texans to be repackaged in a brand new miraculous bright and shiney heavily-perfumed facade, as McNair is the


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Señor Stan
12-31-2010, 08:32 AM
Lol....no the reason why here is because the 2005 World Series gear that had to be made in case the Astros won the championship got dumped their.

Like what they do when the Super Bowl comes and the print championship winning T-shirts and all that for both teams. The losing teams gear gets shipped to needy kids in Africa and stuff.

Saw something on ESPN one time where there are all these kids that have Seattle Seahawks T-shirts that have Super Bowl XL Champions on them....lol

I guess the Buffalo Bills clothed half of Nigeria back in the 90's!!

I have always wanted to see someone make a movie where an immigrant from a third world country moves to Buffalo driven by his desire to be amongst the 4 time Super Bowl Champion Bills.

Hilarity ensures.

HoustonFrog
12-31-2010, 08:43 AM
Not that I matter compared to most here who are hard view but if retained ill give up all hope of jumping with the Texans. Mcnair floors me. I'll be long gone. Maybe Chicago teams will be my secondary teams if we move there with Continental

Cjeremy635
12-31-2010, 08:45 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL

Are you fukin' serious? Dude, it's a game. Period. I'm a huge football fan, but I have a life outside of this team. From those comments, it sound like you need to get one as well.

TexanAggie89
12-31-2010, 08:47 AM
The thing is, our offense HAS shown that it can run the 2 minute, and make a HUGE comeback (ravens, jets, and eagles games). But realize this

We shouldnt HAVE TO SCORE 28+ to barely win a game. IF your offense is putting up that amount and you arent winning..its clearly the D. We should put up 17 a game and win easily...But every game were forced to score at least 28 which is ridiculous. :kubepalm:

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 08:57 AM
Well, I guess it's something I'm going to have to come to accept, though at this time, I have to say, I'm about as disappointed as I've ever been as a Texans fan. They announced on AM 1200 here in San Antonio this morning, that this deal is all but done. I can't change my allegiance to another team, it's not in me, so it looks as if I'll never live to see my team become a Super Bowl champion. Twenty-Nine years as an Oilers fan, and now I pick the Texans... FML!

Dishman
12-31-2010, 08:59 AM
I can stand behind this as long as Bob tells them its playoffs or fired next year. Wade couldn't make it as head coach but neither could Capers but he runs a good defense, same could be said with Phillips.I say get him in here and see what happens.Could take some pressure off of Kubiak allow him to couch better and not hold Bush's hand.You have to wonder if the defense was 50% better could we have managed the clock better and be in the playoffs.(Then we would not be wanting Kubiak out of here)

Wasn't it playoffs or bust this year? What makes it any different for Kubiaks?

And do not expect the same clock/game management errors to cease. Replacing the DC does nothing for that. The DC has been replaced already (hand-picked by Kubiak) and yet Kubiak has continued to make the same or even more bone-headed decisions.

Are we really supposed to believe a new DC will teach Gary to use the running game against a Colts defense that could be gashed all night long by Foster?

Thorn
12-31-2010, 09:00 AM
Well, if this happens, it's not like we didn't suspect it.

There'll be a lot of these in our future: :kubepalm::wadepalm:

And I'll be cheering on the Texans next year, hoping for the best, and getting pissed when they deliver another poor season.

At least our defense should be better.

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 09:00 AM
I wonder why no one has to date ever produced a Bob McNair Face Palm........is it because nothing that seems to bother fans so much seems to bother him?

2slik4u
12-31-2010, 09:00 AM
Not that I matter compared to most here who are hard view but if retained ill give up all hope of jumping with the Texans. Mcnair floors me. I'll be long gone. Maybe Chicago teams will be my secondary teams if we move there with Continental

Good riddance to bad rummage....

El Tejano
12-31-2010, 09:06 AM
Reasons why I don't like it:

Houston would've been a more marketable team with a coach like Cowher or Gruden and the NFL would be on our side.

Gary Kubiak has led us to two losing seasons, two 8-8 seasons, and 1 winning season. Through that time many of our losses have come from poor play decisions and too much inconsistency (only one half of good football).

This isn't going to fix the times where we decided to keep passing the ball instead of running it when we have the league leading rusher just bslapping the defense already.

If Wade does become the DC, how long is it going to take for these players to learn the 3-4. Heck, the past two DC kept having to dumb down the defense for them in the past. Plus, do we even have that kind of personell?

If Kubiak does get fired next year, Wade will most likely be his succesor.

If all this is true and we do get Wade Phillips as a DC:

All I can think of is how well San Diego did with Wade as a DC, and even though they sucked this year Dallas had a pretty strong defense two seasons before. If Wade can bring a defense that scores at least 6 TDs for us, then we can win some games.

Our offense stays in tact and the players that have been successful can continue to be successful.

Perhaps having a DC that has been a head coach, looking over Kubiak's shoulder would light something under Kubiak's rear and get him thinking on his toes?

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 09:17 AM
Reasons why I don't like it:

Houston would've been a more marketable team with a coach like Cowher or Gruden and the NFL would be on our side.

Gary Kubiak has led us to two losing seasons, two 8-8 seasons, and 1 winning season. Through that time many of our losses have come from poor play decisions and too much inconsistency (only one half of good football).

This isn't going to fix the times where we decided to keep passing the ball instead of running it when we have the league leading rusher just bslapping the defense already.

If Wade does become the DC, how long is it going to take for these players to learn the 3-4. Heck, the past two DC kept having to dumb down the defense for them in the past. Plus, do we even have that kind of personell?

If Kubiak does get fired next year, Wade will most likely be his succesor.

If all this is true and we do get Wade Phillips as a DC:

All I can think of is how well San Diego did with Wade as a DC, and even though they sucked this year Dallas had a pretty strong defense two seasons before. If Wade can bring a defense that scores at least 6 TDs for us, then we can win some games.

Our offense stays in tact and the players that have been successful can continue to be successful.

Perhaps having a DC that has been a head coach, looking over Kubiak's shoulder would light something under Kubiak's rear and get him thinking on his toes?

That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/counting-toes.jpg

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 09:19 AM
Good riddance to bad rummage....

I thought you were speaking of rubbage.

But if you're speaking of rummage. I'll have a Bacardi and diet Coke on the rocks please.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 09:22 AM
That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/counting-toes.jpg

LOL

Where do you come up with this stuff?

RTP2110
12-31-2010, 09:26 AM
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.

4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their pas teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 09:28 AM
The thing is, our offense HAS shown that it can run the 2 minute, and make a HUGE comeback (ravens, jets, and eagles games). But realize this

We shouldnt HAVE TO SCORE 28+ to barely win a game. IF your offense is putting up that amount and you arent winning..its clearly the D. We should put up 17 a game and win easily...But every game were forced to score at least 28 which is ridiculous. :kubepalm:

The break over point is scoring 20 pts gives you a 50-50 chance of winning. 28 pts and the odds go down to about 25%.

The Texans had to score 30 + to win this yr. The odds of winning are about 15 %. It's actually amazing that they've won 5 games this yr.

swisher
12-31-2010, 09:30 AM
I'm as disappointed as everyone else, but it is what it is.

All I can do as a Texans fan is support my team, even if I disagree with the direction they're taking. I don't have season tickets, so I don't have that moral dilemma of pouring more money into this black hole.

I have said all season, if we just had the league's 25th worst defense instead of the worst or second worst, we would be in the playoffs. As good as the offense can be at times, imagine how better they would be with two or three more possessions a game thanks to an even mediocre defense as opposed to the horrendous one we have now. Assuming those possessions don't happen with less than two minutes before halftime. :kubepalm:

None of that is to say that I endorse this move...I want Kubiak fired.

Htownsportsfan
12-31-2010, 09:36 AM
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL

That is without question the dumbest thing I have anyone say in along time. You with death upon a man because he makes poor FOOTBALL decisions. Never mind what kind of man Bob Mcnair and all the good he has done for this city through charities and the YMCA, but at the end of the day the only reason we have NFL football in this city is due to his 700 million dollar investment, It may be a bad product at this time but its NFL football! Have you ever stopped to think that you deserve a bad football team? No Houston, Not other fans, just you. Anyone who would wish death upon someone over sport in my opinion deserves far worse than a mediocre football team if karma has anything to say about it!

2slik4u
12-31-2010, 09:38 AM
I thought you were speaking of rubbage.

But if you're speaking of rummage. I'll have a Bacardi and diet Coke on the rocks please.

Good point. Assuming the Phillips debacle goes thru, Ill be calling for lots of rummage.

2slik4u
12-31-2010, 09:42 AM
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their pas teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.

I really hope that when/if Kubiak gets fired after next season, Wade does not take over HC duties. Hopefully with all of the respect Mcnair has for Bum, Wade isn't the next HC in waiting.

I would not like that very much.

I can already see us speculating and bitching about Wade mid season.

Guh.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 09:44 AM
Good point. Assuming the Phillips debacle goes thru, Ill be calling for lots of rummage.

Looks like we're going to need it.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 09:46 AM
That is without question the dumbest thing I have anyone say in along time. You with death upon a man because he makes poor FOOTBALL decisions. Never mind what kind of man Bob Mcnair and all the good he has done for this city through charities and the YMCA, but at the end of the day the only reason we have NFL football in this city is due to his 700 million dollar investment, It may be a bad product at this time but its NFL football! Have you ever stopped to think that you deserve a bad football team? No Houston, Not other fans, just you. Anyone who would wish death upon someone over sport in my opinion deserves far worse than a mediocre football team if karma has anything to say about it!

I think he backed off the die comment.

Now he's only wishing for a debilitating stroke or something. LOL

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 09:53 AM
i think he backed off the die comment.

Now he's only wishing for a debilitating stroke or something. Lol


lmao

El Tejano
12-31-2010, 10:08 AM
That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/counting-toes.jpg

Funny. I always thought he was thinking out of his ass. To me, the toes would be "on the right track".


On another note, does anyone have any word on why Parcells came to Houston? Did he come to advise Mcnair or something?

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 10:11 AM
The thing is, our offense HAS shown that it can run the 2 minute, and make a HUGE comeback (ravens, jets, and eagles games). But realize this

We shouldnt HAVE TO SCORE 28+ to barely win a game. IF your offense is putting up that amount and you arent winning..its clearly the D. We should put up 17 a game and win easily...But every game were forced to score at least 28 which is ridiculous. :kubepalm:
This is what frustrates me so much. There's been a lot of times this season where Schaub has taken us down the field and scored to tie/give us the lead. He CAN engineer that comeback and has. (I still don't like the inconsistent play). As much as people complain about our defense, I could care less about the "yards" we give up... we give up way too many POINTS. It's incredible. Not only giving those up but letting those teams score the go ahead TDs with less than a minute remaining.

I just picture if Wade Phillips was our defensive coordinator this season. Say what you will about him as a HC but he's light years better on the D than Frank Bush. He's a very good DC. I'm not saying Wade needed to have our team at Top 10, but top 20 would have been good enough for playoffs. We're giving up too many points, that's the issue. A SLIGHTLY better defense would have given us wins against SD, JAC, NYJ, DEN and possibly either PHI/BAL. That's 5 wins that I think our Defense literally gave away. We should be sitting at 10-5 right now having clinched the division. Worst case we'd tie with Indy and would hold virtually all the tie breaking scenarios.
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen. Will be interesting if he's announced the DC quickly. I would like to see a few interviews even if Wade had been "guaranteed" the job. Not to sugarcoat anything but for Smith/McNair to be in contact with more people around the league. Get an idea how they like the other candidates if for nothing else a possible hire in the future. Hell who knows if Rick Smith could use the practice in interviewing. just a suggestion. In any event, I really believe Wade Phillips is the #1 candidate out there and probably the most coveted for a DC role.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.Wouldn't surprise me.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.It wouldn't surprise me. I think he's familiar with the team and our circumstances whatever they may be. He knows we have had one of the top offenses in the league the last few years and our defense has been beyond suck. We've got talent, McNair/Smith have probably told him we're gonna get you some new players too. The potential for our defense to drastically improve is there and we could. The importance of the 2011 season and any failure should def. be a concern for Phillips, IMO. In the same sense, if he Kubiak were to leave and Wade were not to stick in Houston, his chances of finding a DC spot in the league next year are still there. I don't think his rep would be tarnished. I think the Houston gig here is just too good of an opportunity for him.

4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.Totally agree. I WANT to believe McNair and Smith will be more willing to make some moves. Particularly getting a free agent CB like Champ Bailey in here.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their past teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.Marcus Spears is will be a FA and is familiar with Wade, obviously. I wonder if he could entice him to come. Could be a decent pickup to add to our depth , IMO. Mario, Antonio, Spears, Anderson and Barwin. He would really help if Wade wants to run a hybrid 4-3, 3-4 kind of system. or at least do a little bit of both schemes... or eventually transition over full time.
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Texan_Bill
12-31-2010, 10:18 AM
This is not breaking news...

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Right! :kubepalm:

imatexan
12-31-2010, 10:19 AM
This franchise is a ****ing joke, except the only people that get to enjoy the punchline are our divisional rivals and other NFL fans. I can't believe there's another poster who actually created a thread criticizing other fans for making the decision to pull the plug on their PSLs with decisions like this, especially with the economy we currently live it.

Some people love this team good or bad, accept it.

I already have accepted that people are going to jump ship.

El Tejano
12-31-2010, 10:20 AM
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.

Wolf
12-31-2010, 10:20 AM
save some of y'all from typing
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Redtexan#34
12-31-2010, 10:30 AM
First I wil say I am not a fan of Kubiak. I would be happy to see him go just so i dont have to hear, "in this league" anymore. With that being said here are a few things to think about. I think everyone would agree that the defense is the main problem with this team. It is Kubiaks fault for bringing in people to run this train wreck "Ole defense". Our offense is more than decent currently 5th best in total offense http://www.nfl.com/stats/team . Foster is the league leading rusher. The houston Texans O-line is the lightest smallest line in the league. Players have been brought in to run the zone scheme. A new coaching staff is going bring in his own guys which means we would have to rebuild not only the defense but the offense as well. How long would that take? In the last few years there have been a few examples of early success with new coaches(Atlanta, Baltimore, Miami) but, those teams did not do a total overhaul. We should be careful what we wish for. Maybe this is just me trying to talk myself into believing in Kubiak/Wade. Whatever the final decision is i hope for the best for the Texans. GO TEXANS!!!

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 10:34 AM
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.
I can totally see that being the case. I do have a question in regards to Rick Smith though. How much involvement does he have with the players? I mean other than being a part of the draft/free agency bit and in on negotiating their contracts/extensions.... does he have any involvement? You see him on the sidelines at practice and all, but I would think that friction between a player and GM isn't that uncommon.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 10:35 AM
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)

Thorn
12-31-2010, 10:38 AM
Some people love this team good or bad, accept it.

I already have accepted that people are going to jump ship.

Let 'em jump ship if that's what they want. I really don't define my fanship of the Texans by what others think. If they are drinking kool-aid, fine, if they hate the world and the Texans as well, fine. I'm going to be here cheering for the Texans as long as I breathe.

Doesn't mean I won't be mixing in some bitching about things while I'm cheering them on though.

For the record, I don't like keeping Kubiak and bringing in Wade Phillips as DC. I know Phillips will improve the defense, but that's not the point. I don't want Kubiak back here next year. But, if we get another year of him, if won't change the fact I'll still be rooting for the Texans to win, just like I'll be doing this coming Sunday. I want them to win, and I don't give a rat's ass if it messes up our draft placement.

Malloy
12-31-2010, 10:44 AM
The break over point is scoring 20 pts gives you a 50-50 chance of winning. 28 pts and the odds go down to about 25%.

The Texans had to score 30 + to win this yr. The odds of winning are about 15 %. It's actually amazing that they've won 5 games this yr.

So... we're doing good ? :)

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 10:44 AM
Funny. I always thought he was thinking out of his ass. To me, the toes would be "on the right track".


On another note, does anyone have any word on why Parcells came to Houston? Did he come to advise Mcnair or something?


It was Barry Warner on 610 that revealed a very little known fact. McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 10:44 AM
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)

Yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. What pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven HCs out there looking for jobs (Cowher and Gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the Vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:

DX-TEX
12-31-2010, 10:49 AM
So there is still at least a shimmer of hope that Kubiak will be fired? If this whole Wade thing comes true Cowboy fans will eat us alive. Now we have two marshmallow coaches patroling our sidelines and one of them is a Cowboys reject.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 10:51 AM
yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. what pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven hcs out there looking for jobs (cowher and gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:

^^^^this^^^^

Mr. White
12-31-2010, 10:53 AM
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)

Yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. What pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven HCs out there looking for jobs (Cowher and Gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the Vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:

Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 10:57 AM
Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.

He's talking like it's a done deal. And believe me he is making it sound more than obvious he is on board with this big time and he must have warned Lopez before the show to keep himself in check because Lopez has been unusalluy low key on it.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 10:57 AM
The break over point is scoring 20 pts gives you a 50-50 chance of winning. 28 pts and the odds go down to about 25%.

The Texans had to score 30 + to win this yr. The odds of winning are about 15 %. It's actually amazing that they've won 5 games this yr.

So... we're doing good ? :)

Not necessarily doing good but we ARE on the right track...

chicagotexan2
12-31-2010, 10:58 AM
Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.

I don't blame Vandermeer. That's his second employer so I don't expect an unbiased opinion. But I can't believe we are missing out. I think we are close and a good coaching staff and gm would get us over the hump. I might as well get used to seeing alot of this next season.

:kubepalm::wadepalm:

hookinreds
12-31-2010, 10:59 AM
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.


How long has Will Demps been a client of yours?

DX-TEX
12-31-2010, 10:59 AM
This thread is naking me seriously depressed.

Señor Stan
12-31-2010, 11:10 AM
That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Politics/images-2/counting-toes.jpg

Heyyyyyy Niiiiiiice!!!!

Sincerely,

Rex Ryan

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 11:11 AM
He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble.

I understand it was his speculation, but even though we had the youngest secondary, the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Ravens & the Colts were pretty damn young themselves.

& as bad as our secondary the truly horrendous players were the vets.... Pollard & Wilson.

TexanSam
12-31-2010, 11:11 AM
I guess I'm in the minority but I don't hate this decision. I'd rather have Kubiak gone but Phillips has proven he's a pretty damn good defensive coordinator. I'd rather have him as our DC under a different head coach but that seems unlikely now

Wolf
12-31-2010, 11:14 AM
I guess I'm in the minority but I don't hate this decision. I'd rather have Kubiak gone but Phillips has proven he's a pretty damn good defensive coordinator. I'd rather have him as our DC under a different head coach but that seems unlikely now

I agree

djohn2oo8
12-31-2010, 11:15 AM
None of this matters if Bob doesn't open up the damn checkbook and sign some good players

chicagotexan2
12-31-2010, 11:18 AM
None of this matters if Bob doesn't open up the damn checkbook and sign some good players

And this wouldn't matter if we had a GM that would draft good players. We are screwed.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 11:19 AM
Not necessarily doing good but we ARE on the right track...

The track to nowhere.

Dishman
12-31-2010, 11:24 AM
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)



Ha! I just was in the car listening to 610 around 8:30 and must have heard some of the same stuff you heard. It was pretty bad.

I'll say it again, only switching out the DC or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.

HTown2ATX
12-31-2010, 11:26 AM
ha! I just was in the car listening to 610 around 8:30 and must have heard some of the same stuff you heard. It was pretty bad.

I'll say it again, only switching out the dc or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.


^^^this

djohn2oo8
12-31-2010, 11:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV4lcNNPDLs&feature=channel

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 11:30 AM
Let 'em jump ship if that's what they want. I really don't define my fanship of the Texans by what others think. If they are drinking kool-aid, fine, if they hate the world and the Texans as well, fine. I'm going to be here cheering for the Texans as long as I breathe.

Doesn't mean I won't be mixing in some bitching about things while I'm cheering them on though.

For the record, I don't like keeping Kubiak and bringing in Wade Phillips as DC. I know Phillips will improve the defense, but that's not the point. I don't want Kubiak back here next year. But, if we get another year of him, if won't change the fact I'll still be rooting for the Texans to win, just like I'll be doing this coming Sunday. I want them to win, and I don't give a rat's ass if it messes up our draft placement.

You are a wonderful fan...... the Texans are lucky to have you.

Lucky
12-31-2010, 11:32 AM
I can get behind Kubiak. So long as he changes some things, like...
...becomes a real NFL head coach. And not a menu-toting, meek hermit as he is every freakin' Sunday.
I'll have a Bacardi and diet Coke on the rocks please.
This might make me start drinking again.

All I can do as a Texans fan is support my team, even if I disagree with the direction they're taking. I don't have season tickets, so I don't have that moral dilemma of pouring more money into this black hole.
Glad to see you back, swisher.

That's the problem I have. Do I continue to give this man my hard-earned $$$ for a piss poor product? I feel like an enabler. I love the NFL. I've been a NFL fan since I can remember. A big reason I moved back to Houston was that we received the expansion team over LA. I've missed fewer than 10 home games (including preseason) since the team arrived.

But, it's not just my decision. I go to games and tailgate with a group of friends. I've told them all season to be patient, that McNair would have no choice but to blow this thing up with another failed season. These guys are not quite the fanatic I am. They love the tailgates, and the ambiance of the pregame festivities. But, they hate the product. I think the consensus will be to dump the tickets. I can't argue against it, because in my heart I feel this move will be yet another disaster.

McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."
If Parcells could be hired as team president, to completely oversee football operations, then I could stomach another Kubiak year. I know Parcells has the nads to cut bait on Kubiak if/when he fails again. This organization needs a Parcells in the worst way.

Happy freakin' New Year....

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 11:34 AM
So there is still at least a shimmer of hope that Kubiak will be fired? If this whole Wade thing comes true Cowboy fans will eat us alive. Now we have two marshmallow coaches patroling our sidelines and one of them is a Cowboys reject.

If the Cowboys get Cowher or Gruden, that would be perfect.

steelbtexan
12-31-2010, 11:36 AM
Hopefully Parcells will run the Football side of the organization.

That's the only wway I could stomach this.

Even though Kubiak will still ultimately fail. Atleast he will have to answer to somebody that knows what the he** their doing.

MannyFresh
12-31-2010, 11:40 AM
So is McNair testing the fans?

TexansSeminole
12-31-2010, 11:44 AM
This is a joke right? What will it take for McNair to fire Kubiak? If this is true, I can't see Kubiak ever being fired.

Mr. White
12-31-2010, 11:49 AM
It was Barry Warner on 610 that revealed a very little known fact. McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."

One could only wish.

I think Barry's "sources" are screwing with him nowadays. Mike Sherman, Troy Calhoun, and Hue Jackson?

No one's going to give him a straight answer after acting like a buffoon in the press conferences.

El Tejano
12-31-2010, 11:51 AM
I can totally see that being the case. I do have a question in regards to Rick Smith though. How much involvement does he have with the players? I mean other than being a part of the draft/free agency bit and in on negotiating their contracts/extensions.... does he have any involvement? You see him on the sidelines at practice and all, but I would think that friction between a player and GM isn't that uncommon.

In speaking with him, he seemed to be trying to maintain a level of professionalism but trying to say that there are people within that organization that if you don't stroke their ego (voice your opinions) than you don't get treated the same. He kept reitirrating that he doesn't know what it's like now but that he doesn't feel that much has changed.

So when I take into account how a Pro Bowler like OD voiced his opinion during the offseason concerning his contract, then all of a suddent we draft two TE in the draft....you can speculate.

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 12:00 PM
I'll say it again, only switching out the DC or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.

Right now, I don't believe it. I think it's just rumor. But if it were true......

Earlier we speculated Rick Smith's list was actually a test..... & he failed...

If both of those are true it does not look good for Rick Smith.


This organization was screwed up with whatever Casserly & Capers did the first 4 years.

I was hoping hiring Kubiak would set that straight & it started off looking that way. But when we hired Rick Smith, with a ringing endorsement from GK..... I knew something was amiss.

The question was asked last year, could Rick Smith fire Gary Kubiak? An even scarier question, was could Rick Smith hire a new coach?

I'm literally scared of that possibility. I'm equally concerned by McNair possibly hiring a third head coach in 10 years.

I don't want to do the new coach/new GM thing again this year. For me, either McNair has confidence in Rick Smith to retain his services & dump GK....... I'd be fine with that.

Or, McNair has more confidence in Kubiak, release Smith, & get a real GM..... which I like better, because I do have more faith in Kubiak than I do Smith. And in the long run, I think replacing the GM now would help us out the most.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 12:01 PM
I'm starting to think I want Smith GONE now.

Lucky
12-31-2010, 12:02 PM
So is McNair testing the fans?
Hasn't he tested our patience for 9 years? How many more tests do we have to pass?

If he keeps Kubiak, McNair has failed my test.

gary
12-31-2010, 12:06 PM
But Wade will be here to save the day everyone.

IlliniJen
12-31-2010, 12:23 PM
Go Team Milquetoast!!!

What a joke McNair is.

Mr. White
12-31-2010, 12:27 PM
So when I take into account how a Pro Bowler like OD voiced his opinion during the offseason concerning his contract, then all of a suddent we draft two TE in the draft....you can speculate.

That's one hell of a point. At first I thought it was sort of funny that they kept drafting all these TE's. I thought we were good with Hill and Casey.

Then I thought we had a plan when we drafted 2 more TE's this year. I guess the plan was to hope they could get on the active roster. I thought they had an idea what they were doing.

Now it looks like they just pissed away 2 or 3 draft picks.

houstonspartan
12-31-2010, 12:29 PM
Go Team Milquetoast!!!



LOL! True.

Thorn
12-31-2010, 12:30 PM
You are a wonderful fan...... the Texans are lucky to have you.

thanks, but I'm sure I'm not the only one. The Texans are our team, it's the only NFL game in town. Just because some of us are pissed off at the current situation, doesn't make us any less of a fan. Being human, it's totally possible to love something and hate certain aspects of it at the same time. It's called seeing the whole picture.

I love the Texans, I hate what they are.

Go Texans!!! :texan:

bckey
12-31-2010, 12:52 PM
The hiring of Wade Phillips to be the dc for the Texans doesn't bother me. Keeping Kubiak is what bothers me. Bob McNair allows himself to get too emotionally tied to certain people (Capers, Casserly, Kubiak, Rick Smith, David Carr) that he employs. It warps his judgement of the very people that are the problem. Bob wants them to succeed so bad that he just makes dumb decisions that keep setting the whole organization back. When he finally sees through the the clouds of his emotions a year or 2 has gone by and thus crucial time that the organization could have used to fix the problems.

Then this whole sham of Bum and Pastorini showing up to practice and praising Kubiak is way over the top. It really insults my intelligence and makes me mad. Bob is quickly losing the respect of alot of fans. He may not care or "get it" but it is eroding what little fan base he had. At 9 years the expansion card has been taken out of the deck. And thus the comparisons to Detroit and Cleveland start surfacing.

I don't even see Kubiak being fired next season either. I'm sure the Texans record will be better than 5-11 or 6-10 and that will be seen as an improvement by McNair. The strike card can be played as an excuse also. So in essence the decision by Bob McNair to retain Kubiak is more than likely a 2 year decision. Keeping a problem around 3 years too long is a killer in the fast moving, cut throat world of the NFL.

I can't figure out why fans defend this offense so much. Yes they put up wonderful stats. But they get shut down when it matters. I can never watch a Texan game and feel sure that they will close it out. I know the defense is horrible but I am talking about the offense. They find ways to blow it. Stupid plays calls that have you scratching your head. I want Houston to have a winner and I really think Bob does too. But after 9 years he is just as clueless on how to create a winner as he was at the beginning. He needs to stop befriending his employees so he can evaluate situations without bias. That would be a positive first step. Next would be to hire a proven football mind like Parcells to oversee the organization. I would take a real hard look at the scouting department to start. The Texans have passed on some good players and that starts with poor scouting. I know Vinny brought that point up some years back.

I'm done ranting. Will Phillips be better than Bush. You bet ya. But the problems are still here. Smith and Kubiak. Until you cut out the cancer it will keep spreading. Nice guys so what. Family guys so what. That doesn't make you a winner in the NFL. I'll part with some Vince Lombardi quotes::kubepalm:

Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.

Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.

The leader can never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert.

Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.

If you can accept losing, you can't win.

Lucky
12-31-2010, 12:57 PM
Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.

Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.

The leader can never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert.

Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.

If you can accept losing, you can't win.
Rep to Lombardi, via bckey.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 12:57 PM
That's one hell of a point. At first I thought it was sort of funny that they kept drafting all these TE's. I thought we were good with Hill and Casey.

Then I thought we had a plan when we drafted 2 more TE's this year. I guess the plan was to hope they could get on the active roster. I thought they had an idea what they were doing.

Now it looks like they just pissed away 2 or 3 draft picks.

Don't for a second think I'm a fan of drafting all these TEs but let's look at it:

2009
4th round (Sage pick): Anthony Hill - Needed/wanted a blocking TE, waste of pick to date.
5th round: James Casey - Has really done great on STs. Don't underestimate/downplay this value. Has played decently when given the opportunity. Dreessen has stepped up in OD's absence

2010
4th round: Garrett Graham - Looks like an OD clone (OD had a severe injury)
7th round: Dorin Dickerson - Drafted to play WR not TE. I'm excited about this pick.

I don't have an issue at all with using a 5th round pick on any player that looks like a Special Teams Ace. Taking a 7th round flyer on a WR/TE guy with a lot of upside was not a bad idea. You're "pro bowl" TE had a severe injruy and you draft a clone of him in the 4th round, fine with it. The only pick I don't like is the 4th rounder Hill selection in 2009.

So we go from what we the fans thought was 6 TEs (Daniels, Dreessen, Hill, Casey, Graham, Dickerson) to OD being injured, Hill being a bust, Casey being STs, Graham being backup/groom and Dickerson being a WR.

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 01:01 PM
Go Team Milquetoast!!!

What a joke McNair is.


What do YOU know.........Your just a girl! :D

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 01:02 PM
Now I'm hearing that these Wade Phillips rumors are are a product of Wade's people trying to lobby for him.

Of course, considering Bum went out to support Kubiak, it could have been because he was lobbying for his son as well.

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Where is this coming from?

beerlover
12-31-2010, 01:10 PM
...becomes a real NFL head coach. And not a menu-toting, meek hermit as he is every freakin' Sunday.

This might make me start drinking again.

Glad to see you back, swisher.

That's the problem I have. Do I continue to give this man my hard-earned $$$ for a piss poor product? I feel like an enabler. I love the NFL. I've been a NFL fan since I can remember. A big reason I moved back to Houston was that we received the expansion team over LA. I've missed fewer than 10 home games (including preseason) since the team arrived.

But, it's not just my decision. I go to games and tailgate with a group of friends. I've told them all season to be patient, that McNair would have no choice but to blow this thing up with another failed season. These guys are not quite the fanatic I am. They love the tailgates, and the ambiance of the pregame festivities. But, they hate the product. I think the consensus will be to dump the tickets. I can't argue against it, because in my heart I feel this move will be yet another disaster.


If Parcells could be hired as team president, to completely oversee football operations, then I could stomach another Kubiak year. I know Parcells has the nads to cut bait on Kubiak if/when he fails again. This organization needs a Parcells in the worst way.

Happy freakin' New Year....

Your the kind of true fan I admire & try to support the only way I know through suggestions & research in the draft forum. which by the way arose out of the ashes year four of this franchise, as a life long football enthusiast just so damn happy to finally have a Pro Football team to call my own.

It's really hard at times to stay objective, insightful & positive when all signs led to misfortune & heartbreak. But for those who survive the rewards will be worth all the time, money & effort. :)

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 01:13 PM
Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.

Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.

The leader can never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert.

Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.

If you can accept losing, you can't win.


Great quotes. I'll just add one more to this list, but by Tom Landry.

The secret to winning is constant, consistent management.

Mr. White
12-31-2010, 01:25 PM
Don't for a second think I'm a fan of drafting all these TEs but let's look at it:

2009
4th round (Sage pick): Anthony Hill - Needed/wanted a blocking TE, waste of pick to date.
5th round: James Casey - Has really done great on STs. Don't underestimate/downplay this value. Has played decently when given the opportunity. Dreessen has stepped up in OD's absence

2010
4th round: Garrett Graham - Looks like an OD clone (OD had a severe injury)
7th round: Dorin Dickerson - Drafted to play WR not TE. I'm excited about this pick.

I don't have an issue at all with using a 5th round pick on any player that looks like a Special Teams Ace. Taking a 7th round flyer on a WR/TE guy with a lot of upside was not a bad idea. You're "pro bowl" TE had a severe injruy and you draft a clone of him in the 4th round, fine with it. The only pick I don't like is the 4th rounder Hill selection in 2009.

So we go from what we the fans thought was 6 TEs (Daniels, Dreessen, Hill, Casey, Graham, Dickerson) to OD being injured, Hill being a bust, Casey being STs, Graham being backup/groom and Dickerson being a WR.

Casey and Hill were good picks, even though Hill hasn't really worked out. It should have ended there.

Assuming OD and Hill never play another down, they were good for the season with Dreessen and Casey.

I won't even mention Dickerson since he was a flyer pick.

In hindsight, it looks pretty obvious that the Graham pick was made to send a message to Owen Daniels. Maybe it's just me, but drafting a guy at the same position in the same round from the same school seems like more than a coincidence....especially when that guy fails to even make the active roster.

djohn2oo8
12-31-2010, 01:28 PM
Now I'm hearing that these Wade Phillips rumors are are a product of Wade's people trying to lobby for him.

Of course, considering Bum went out to support Kubiak, it could have been because he was lobbying for his son as well.

Where are u hearing this from?

Rey
12-31-2010, 01:37 PM
One less period and you coulda put the 'g'

mussop
12-31-2010, 01:47 PM
Ok now who wants to see us loose? Theres been alot of talk here about "true fans". Some say they will never wish for the team to loose, that that is not what a "true fan does". Well now your looking at a situation where the last chance to get this owner to come to his senses and end this nightmare is to loose this game and most likely loose big. Just wondering if any of you "true fans" have a change of heart now?

:pop:

McNair needs to analyze this situation a little closer. This goes alot deeper than just "well the offense is good, if the defense was better we would be good". I cant count the number of times i have heard this lately. NOTHING is that simple!

Hiring a new defensive coach isnt going to make Kubiak a better decision maker. Its not going to make him a better game manager, clock manager, communicator or motivator. Its certainly not going to make him better at personnel decisions. I could go on and on. There are so many things wrong with this regime but our great owner can only see the simple.

:rake:

We are in for a long hard ride fellow Texan fans unless we all come together and make some kind of stand.

:koolaid:

MFG16
12-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Ok now who wants to see us loose? Theres been alot of talk here about "true fans". Some say they will never wish for the team to loose, that that is not what a "true fan does". Well now your looking at a situation where the last chance to get this owner to come to his senses and end this nightmare is to loose this game and most likely loose big. Just wondering if any of you "true fans" have a change of heart now?
:pop:

McNair needs to analyze this situation a little closer. This goes alot deeper than just "well the offense is good, if the defense was better we would be good". I cant count the number of times i have heard this lately. NOTHING is that simple!

Hiring a new defensive coach isnt going to make Kubiak a better decision maker. Its not going to make him a better game manager, clock manager, communicator or motivator. Its certainly not going to make him better at personnel decisions. I could go on and on. There are so many things wrong with this regime but our great owner can only see the simple.

:rake:

We are in for a long hard ride fellow Texan fans unless we all come together and make some kind of stand.

:koolaid:

This Paragraph made me laugh. :goodpost:

mexican_texan
12-31-2010, 01:53 PM
Where are u hearing this from?

From an NFL scout/writer. I spoke to him personally, but here's what he wrote for a website:



Not to go on and on about the Texans, but this game is probably going to save Gary Kubiak’s job, even though I think he’s probably safer than most think anyways. All year he has made ponderous play calling decisions, like the constant shelving of Arian Foster in the second halves of games when he’s been great early. Like failing to prepare the team for battle so badly that they have the worst 1st quarter scoring differential of any team in any quarter this year. Like standing in quiet dumbfounded angst every single time Matt Schaub holds the ball too long before either fumbling when sacked or throwing an INT to a safety he never looked off nor saw. Like failing to assert more control over the defense when my 5-year old son understands the principle that if your DBs can’t cover, you have to try and pressure the QB more. These Texans represent one of the most poorly coached organizations in the league in all facets of coaching: game prep, player development, in-game adjustments, handling pressure. By bringing Gary Kubiak back, even with an entirely new defensive staff (the Wade Philips rumors are fabrications, FYI), owner Bob McNair is dooming this team to another season of underwhelming mediocrity, of close but no cigar, of striking zero fear in opponents. That’s a huge mistake and it saddens me as a new Houstonian that every single person in this giant city can see that except the good-hearted, genuinely caring owner.

http://football.realgm.com/src_hangtime/43/20101230/football_meteorology_for_week_17/

djohn2oo8
12-31-2010, 01:56 PM
From an NFL scout/writer. I spoke to him personally, but here's what he wrote for a website:





http://football.realgm.com/src_hangtime/43/20101230/football_meteorology_for_week_17/

Thanks...Guess we'll just have to wait and see, Monday can't get here fast enough

ChampionTexan
12-31-2010, 01:58 PM
Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.

Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.

The leader can never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert.

Coaches who can outline plays on a black board are a dime a dozen. The ones who win get inside their player and motivate.

If you can accept losing, you can't win.

I wholeheartedly agree with all of this, and this also states exactly why I am always pulling for the Texans to win - regardless of draft consequences.

Rey
12-31-2010, 02:00 PM
I don't want the team to quit or to play to lose.

But I want them to lose.

mussop
12-31-2010, 02:02 PM
From an NFL scout/writer. I spoke to him personally, but here's what he wrote for a website:





http://football.realgm.com/src_hangtime/43/20101230/football_meteorology_for_week_17/

Pretty much exactly what I was saying only written better.

Runner
12-31-2010, 02:08 PM
If the Cowboys get Cowher or Gruden, that would be perfect.

I doubt it, but if it does happen I wonder if the national media would just start referring to the Cowboys and Texans as the varsity and junior varsity.

Lucky
12-31-2010, 02:19 PM
Dick Justice's latest take (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2010/12/there_must_be_a_1.html):

Again, though, winning starts at the top, and McNair believes the Texans are on the right track. I'm hope he's able to explain why he continues to have confidence in these two guys.
What will upset me even more is the Monday presser, with McNair spinning that the Texans are "on the right track". I would rather him just keep these clowns, and say nothing. Because there's no excuse for what he's doing.

ESPN's AFC South blog, The "Aw Shucks" Texans (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/19853/texans-plan-potential-aw-shucks-festival):

The biggest issue I see is one that was pointed out to me by a reader (sorry, I can’t find our exchange to give you proper credit): It will leave the team headed by two guys with “Aw, shucks” personalities.

That trait -- which would be shared by Kubiak and a new, powerful defensive coordinator -- wouldn't solve one of the team’s primary issues: its lack of a strong identity and anything resembling a killer instinct.

Those are traits that can trickle down from the top men when a team takes on the personality of a strong, forceful head coach.
Count the owner, Bob McNair, as the leader of the "Aw Shucks" legion.

Wolf
12-31-2010, 02:23 PM
Hiring a new defensive coach isnt going to make Kubiak a better decision maker. Its not going to make him a better game manager, clock manager, communicator or motivator. Its certainly not going to make him better at personnel decisions. I could go on and on. There are so many things wrong with this regime but our great owner can only see the simple.



I was thinking about this earlier today. On the surface, no it won't make him a great decision maker, but if you had a top notch defensive coordinator and he got the defense squared away, the perception would be a little different and that defensive coordinater could hide imperfections with the offense

I don't like playing the what if game, but with this team, if you got the defense to give up 20 points a game, Texans would be sitting at 11 wins right now. (based on hindsight of course)

maybe that is what Bob is looking at ?

I don't know

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 02:37 PM
I don't like playing the what if game, but with this team, if you got the defense to give up 20 points a game, Texans would be sitting at 11 wins right now. (based on hindsight of course)

maybe that is what Bob is looking at ?

I don't know

perhaps that is part of the problem, we're always looking behind.

Next year, it's a new test..... Steelers, Ravens, New Orleans, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Allowing 20 points to those teams still may not get you a win.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 02:37 PM
I was thinking about this earlier today. On the surface, no it won't make him a great decision maker, but if you had a top notch defensive coordinator and he got the defense squared away, the perception would be a little different and that defensive coordinater could hide imperfections with the offense

I don't like playing the what if game, but with this team, if you got the defense to give up 20 points a game, Texans would be sitting at 11 wins right now. (based on hindsight of course)

maybe that is what Bob is looking at ?

I don't know
I don't like playing the what if game either but picture you're scenario above. We'd (by our guesstimation) be sitting at 10/11 wins with a division championship going into the playoffs DESPITE having the #1 RB, #4 QB, #4 WR... the #4 overall Offense in the league run by Kubiak "who has repeatedly made all these terrible offensive decisions"? A lot of the bad calls made on offense would never occur if we didn't have the worst defense in the history of the nfl.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 02:39 PM
If the Cowboys get Cowher or Gruden, that would be perfect.

Jeff Fisher

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 02:48 PM
I don't like playing the what if game either but picture you're scenario above. We'd (by our guesstimation) be sitting at 10/11 wins with a division championship going into the playoffs DESPITE having the #1 RB, #4 QB, #4 WR... the #4 overall Offense in the league run by Kubiak "who has repeatedly made all these terrible offensive decisions"? A lot of the bad calls made on offense would never occur if we didn't have the worst defense in the history of the nfl.

Love your sig.

Disclaimer: I am not a Kubiak supporter, but I do like the fact that you're pissing certain people off.

4Texans
12-31-2010, 03:07 PM
I can get behind Kubiak. So long as he changes some things, like clock management.

But...whoever thought that having Glover Quinn as the most experienced CB on the squad was a good idea for a playoff team should be fired.

Any GM worth his weight in salt, never would have let that happen, regardless if he didn't want to pay D Rob.

Wolf
12-31-2010, 03:10 PM
Any GM worth his weight in salt, never would have let that happen, regardless if he didn't want to pay D Rob.

"I liked the idea of going young in the secondary"

co-signed,
Charlie Casserly/Dom Capers

:kingkong:

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2010, 03:21 PM
Let 'em jump ship if that's what they want. I really don't define my fanship of the Texans by what others think. If they are drinking kool-aid, fine, if they hate the world and the Texans as well, fine. I'm going to be here cheering for the Texans as long as I breathe.

Doesn't mean I won't be mixing in some bitching about things while I'm cheering them on though.

For the record, I don't like keeping Kubiak and bringing in Wade Phillips as DC. I know Phillips will improve the defense, but that's not the point. I don't want Kubiak back here next year. But, if we get another year of him, if won't change the fact I'll still be rooting for the Texans to win, just like I'll be doing this coming Sunday. I want them to win, and I don't give a rat's ass if it messes up our draft placement.


Such a shame this attitude is in the extreme minority for the entirety of Houston sports teams. If even a tiny fraction of the Texans fanbase would follow your lead then we'd all be much better off.

PockyAF
12-31-2010, 03:42 PM
The only hope we have it seems for Uncle Bob to bite the big one and hope that his son is a much smarter and capable owner. Obviously, I don't wish anyone's death because that is wrong but that honestly is basically the only hope we have for change in the future as McNair has proven definitively that he just doesn't get it and is a complete moron as a NFL owner.

The Colts were a as big a joke as the Texans until the Irsay son took over after his father's death. Just stating the cold, hard truth.

That's sad. I'd rather switch NFL team, or give up on football altogether than wish death on a person (someone's son/brother/father) just for my team to succeed.

You must have no life whatsoever in the real world.. oh, beside watching the Texans that is.
I feel bad for you, son.

Oh, and I can't believe people are actually shocked/in disbelief about this. I was calling this way back, preparing myself for the inevitable and obvious "McNair" decision.

These are the same people that were shock/pissed off from the huge losing streak after the bye week. I knew we were a terrible team after the KC game.

These are the same people that were shock/pissed off when our DB turned out to be the one of the worst in the league. I called that after the 1st week, stating they would lose several games for us this season.

These are the same people that are anointing the possible Kubiak & Phillips duo as "dumb & dumber".
HAHA, the irony oozes from those people's posts.

If you ask me, the coaches and the majority of our fans deserves each other, a match made in Heaven.

Oh, btw, if Wade does come here as our DC, I'm predicting we'll be in the playoffs next year, with a strong possibility of winning the division altogether. I'm not sure how that would change people's preception on Kubes, but it would sure get the monkey off our back when he does pop the franchise's cherry for the playoffs.

Grams
12-31-2010, 03:48 PM
I am going to pray that this is all just rumors floating around and that come after the game or Monday we will get some real news that whole coaching staff has been fired. A late Christmas present would be Smith included.

devo-x
12-31-2010, 03:49 PM
Please change the title to include "rumor" as this was not released officially from the Texans organization (McNair)

SheTexan
12-31-2010, 04:42 PM
My New Years wish!! That half the members of this board would cease to exist, as posters on TT!!! If you are so demented that you wish DEATH on an owner of a football team just because he wants to do something different with HIS expensive toy than YOU think he should, is one of the most immature and pathetic things I have EVER heard in my long life as a football fan!!

I have NEVER been a huge Kubiak fan, nor am I excited about WP coming on board, if the rumor is true, BUT, I will deal with it by TRYING to have a positive attitude! It's HARD, yes, very HARD to have that considering all the negative vibes and HATE comments that come from so called FANS!! I've been a member of this board since the beginning, and I thank GOD above for a dedicated fan like Kevin for keeping this thing up and running. If it was me, I'd shut it down just to shut some of you up!!!

It's a friggin GAME people!! If you get that upset by losing then DON'T play!! PLEASE just go away, and don't come back when/if we ever do start winning!!! JMO!!

JB
12-31-2010, 04:46 PM
My New Years wish!! That half the members of this board would cease to exist, as posters on TT!!! If you are so demented that you wish DEATH on an owner of a football team just because he wants to do something different with HIS expensive toy than YOU think he should, is one of the most immature and pathetic things I have EVER heard in my long life as a football fan!!

I have NEVER been a huge Kubiak fan, nor am I excited about WP coming on board, if the rumor is true, BUT, I will deal with it by TRYING to have a positive attitude! It's HARD, yes, very HARD to have that considering all the negative vibes and HATE comments that come from so called FANS!! I've been a member of this board since the beginning, and I thank GOD above for a dedicated fan like Kevin for keeping this thing up and running. If it was me, I'd shut it down just to shut some of you up!!!

It's a friggin GAME people!! If you get that upset by losing then DON'T play!! PLEASE just go away, and don't come back when/if we ever do start winning!!! JMO!!


Someone please rep Gma for me, as I get the msr message... :pissed:

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 04:49 PM
I repped her for ya bro. In total agreement with the posting, but I have faith that those in charge addressed that posting as over the top with the poster.

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 04:50 PM
My New Years wish!! That half the members of this board would cease to exist, as posters on TT!!! If you are so demented that you wish DEATH on an owner of a football team just because he wants to do something different with HIS expensive toy than YOU think he should, is one of the most immature and pathetic things I have EVER heard in my long life as a football fan!!

I have NEVER been a huge Kubiak fan, nor am I excited about WP coming on board, if the rumor is true, BUT, I will deal with it by TRYING to have a positive attitude! It's HARD, yes, very HARD to have that considering all the negative vibes and HATE comments that come from so called FANS!! I've been a member of this board since the beginning, and I thank GOD above for a dedicated fan like Kevin for keeping this thing up and running. If it was me, I'd shut it down just to shut some of you up!!!

It's a friggin GAME people!! If you get that upset by losing then DON'T play!! PLEASE just go away, and don't come back when/if we ever do start winning!!! JMO!!

Nice use of the hasty generalization fallacy there.

Ckw
12-31-2010, 05:09 PM
I'm sorry but Texans fans are weenies. "Oh *sniff* *sniff* they are my team and I will support them no matter what idiotic decisions our dumb ass owner makes!!" "Gary is doing the best he can and is such a nice guy so LEAVE GARY ALONE!!!"

This is why this town will always be losers because we as fans have loser mentalities and put up with this kind of bull shit. Instead of protesting, putting paper bags on our heads, turning our backs on the game, not showing up and hitting Bob where it hurts, we continue to be a bunch of freaking masochists and let ourselves take it up the tailpipe all so Dollar Bob can save a few bucks. Other cities (Boston, Philadelphia, New York, and hell even Detroit) wouldn't put up with this crap.

Sorry Gma but you won't get your wish of me not posting on Texans Talk anymore. I will still be around, but the lack of response from many of the fans is really disheartening to me. You can all put up the soap on the message board but when it comes to actually making a decision with your money and with your actions, you simply sit idly by and say "Ah well this is McNair's team so I will just support Kubiak." When you could be taking a stand, participating in a protest, putting a bag over your head, not showing up for the final game, etc., you choose to just continue to let Bob stick it to you all the while he rolls around like Scrooge McDuck in your hard earned money.

*End rant*

Mixgosu
12-31-2010, 05:13 PM
Some guys threatened to kill the guy who created the FireKubiak website.....

Talk about sunshine pumpers


so give the guy a break...the one who posted that he hopes a boulder falls on mcnair.

Wolf
12-31-2010, 05:16 PM
Some guys threatened to kill the guy who created the FireKubiak website.....

Talk about sunshine pumpers


so give the guy a break...the one who posted that he hopes a boulder falls on mcnair.

you might want to check the history

Heath Shuler
12-31-2010, 05:20 PM
http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Smurf_Buttons/jpg/Smurf_Super_Fan_Button.jpg

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 05:22 PM
http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Smurf_Buttons/jpg/Smurf_Super_Fan_Button.jpg

OMG! That is a real website. :lol:

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 05:23 PM
OMG! That is a real website. :lol:

I was able to finish my Christmas shopping list finally :)

Heath Shuler
12-31-2010, 05:28 PM
idk what happened to the picture

http://bonanzleimages.s3.amazonaws.com/afu/images/2217/2494/_bvmhnt_bwk___kgrhgookjuejllmuhvfbktq2f1wcg___12_t humb200.jpg

I wish we all could be “SUPERFANS", like some.

Nawzer
12-31-2010, 05:32 PM
I'm sorry but Texans fans are weenies. "Oh *sniff* *sniff* they are my team and I will support them no matter what idiotic decisions our dumb ass owner makes!!" "Gary is doing the best he can and is such a nice guy so LEAVE GARY ALONE!!!"

This is why this town will always be losers because we as fans have loser mentalities and put up with this kind of bull shit. Instead of protesting, putting paper bags on our heads, turning our backs on the game, not showing up and hitting Bob where it hurts, we continue to be a bunch of freaking masochists and let ourselves take it up the tailpipe all so Dollar Bob can save a few bucks. Other cities (Boston, Philadelphia, New York, and hell even Detroit) wouldn't put up with this crap.

Sorry Gma but you won't get your wish of me not posting on Texans Talk anymore. I will still be around, but the lack of response from many of the fans is really disheartening to me. You can all put up the soap on the message board but when it comes to actually making a decision with your money and with your actions, you simply sit idly by and say "Ah well this is McNair's team so I will just support Kubiak." When you could be taking a stand, participating in a protest, putting a bag over your head, not showing up for the final game, etc., you choose to just continue to let Bob stick it to you all the while he rolls around like Scrooge McDuck in your hard earned money.

*End rant*

This! Rep coming your way buddy.

If the report by the Chronicle is true, then I cannot wait to hear Bob McNair's reasoning for bringing back Kubiak for another year on Monday. What is it exactly that he thinks Kubiak did right and what is he going to do about the defense. I for one will not be satisfied till we bring in some big name free agent defensive players. Enough with this signing no name washed up vets and plugging them in from year to year. If Kubiak's coming back and assuming Wade Phillips is our d-coordinator (I have no problem with Phillips as our coordinator), I want to see the Texans do what the Bears and Lions did last season. Bring in all the defensive talent we can and fix this damn defense for good.

texanchris
12-31-2010, 05:39 PM
Dick Justice's latest take (http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2010/12/there_must_be_a_1.html):


What will upset me even more is the Monday presser, with McNair spinning that the Texans are "on the right track". I would rather him just keep these clowns, and say nothing. Because there's no excuse for what he's doing.

ESPN's AFC South blog, The "Aw Shucks" Texans (http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/19853/texans-plan-potential-aw-shucks-festival):


Count the owner, Bob McNair, as the leader of the "Aw Shucks" legion.

I gave him the title to that article!!!!!

Ckw
12-31-2010, 05:54 PM
I will say this: I hate being on the same side as Dick Justice. It just feels dirty...

But I guess it is slightly better than being on the same side as this guy: :koolaid:

Carr Bombed
12-31-2010, 05:59 PM
I didn't make my comment to start a "Who's Seen More Houston Fans" thread. I'm just relaying what I have seen. If you've seen other Houston fans around, thumbs up to ya.

Are they fans or people with the hats on? I see plenty of people in Korea with Astros hts on. You know why? They like the logo.

Since I'm in the military, I travel alot and go to games. I have no problem seeing Astro fans at other games or see other people rocking Astro gear and lol, no...I'm not talking about Koreans.

Just stating that there are Astro fans around the Country and even Rockets fans...you see them all the time when you watch a game. The Houston Astros are actually well supported outside of this city....especially in SA and Austin.


Texans on the other hand....nope, most people can't even name more than 3 or 4 players on our team. Others laugh and throw us in the same category as the Lions.

ThaShark316
12-31-2010, 07:30 PM
Since I'm in the military, I travel alot and go to games. I have no problem seeing Astro fans at other games or see other people rocking Astro gear and lol, no...I'm not talking about Koreans.

Just stating that there are Astro fans around the Country and even Rockets fans...you see them all the time when you watch a game. The Houston Astros are actually well supported outside of this city....especially in SA and Austin.


Texans on the other hand....nope, most people can't even name more than 3 or 4 players on our team. Others laugh and throw us in the same category as the Lions.

Know how sad it is to know that anytime we play one of these "established" teams, they write us off like "oh, we'll beat the TEXANS, dude, come on!"

Wolf
12-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Know how sad it is to know that anytime we play one of these "established" teams, they write us off like "oh, we'll beat the TEXANS, dude, come on!"

and when we win, we hear "The Texans played their Super Bowl"

FML

thunderkyss
12-31-2010, 08:26 PM
Someone please rep Gma for me, as I get the msr message... :pissed:

did!!

GNTLEWOLF
12-31-2010, 09:13 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7360542.html

McLame is now reporting that its a done deal and will be announced at season's end.

Was just posted on the Chron website. Here's a few excerpts

Quote:

Unless something like a blowout loss to Jacksonville in Sunday’s game at Reliant Stadium causes him to have an 11th-hour change of heart, McNair will bring back Kubiak for his sixth season, two people familiar with the situation said on Thursday.

McNair has declined to comment on Kubiak’s job situation since Dec. 15, but three people close to the owner said he’s angry, disappointed and frustrated with the Texans’ 5-10 record that includes eight losses in nine games.

They say, however, that McNair believes the offense is in good hands with Kubiak overseeing it but that he wants to improve the defense dramatically.

After all the crap from the inception of this franchise, I have a lot to say about this. Most of it I’ve said a few times before, but I feel that I now must say it again.

First: I have always had the feeling that if you want to know what it is that McNair thinks about any situation, just ask a Sunshine Club member and you will a good look at what is going on in McNair’s mind. All the Sunshiners have been nearly having anxiety attacks for fear that Kubiak and staff will get the firing they deserve. They have gone to great lengths to present reasons why it is not Kubiak’s fault. Most of these excuses would never fly if it were any other coach at any other time, But Kubiak is just a gosh darn nice guy who is a hometown boy, and, gee whiz, he deserves just one more chance, and one more chance, and one more chance to eternity. The fact is, there is no set of circumstances that would merit Kubiak’s dismissal at all.

Now that it looks like he’s staying, they, including McNair, are so relieved and thrilled they are about to wet themselves with excitement. They just know that next year, the Texans will make the play-offs and all the doubters will see. “If we can just get a decent Defensive coordinator we are headed to the play-offs.” They are willing to have any set of circumstances occur to keep him. I have even heard some suggest that the Kubiak’s hand -picked Gm take away his hiring and firing privileges. As long as he stays is doesn’t matter that he would essentially be an impotent figure- head. Whoo!!! That was a close one.

Most of the rest of us wonder what magical hold Kubiak has over these people (and by these people I am including McNair and his group ). It doesn’t matter that the Texans have had the worst season they have had since Capers left…at least it wasn’t 2-14. We, who think it is time to hit reset want to be a consistent winner and we don’t believe Kubiak, and crew, have what it takes. We have seen enough evidence for 5 years and I think most believe what they see. The man is not a winner. He is “Mr. Mediocrity”.

But McNair and company can’t see this. They believe the Texans are “on the right track” and building the franchise “the right way” with the right people in place. And all that is really needed is a few tweaks here and there.
Now some may ask how I am so sure McNair thinks this way. It is because his actions have confirmed this way of thinking. Also, as per the posts, it seems to be the thinking of the pro-Kubiak crowd.

GNTLEWOLF
12-31-2010, 09:14 PM
Second: I have at several times in the past compared Kubiak’s tenure with that of the Cincinatti Bengals under Marvin Lewis as HC. This once proud Super Bowl contender fell on hard times under a few coaches and was so glad to get back to mediocrity that they have kept Marvin Lewis around for a lot longer than he deserves to be.

I am aware that there are some insignificant differences between the two, but this is not going to be an apples and oranges comparison.

My prediction for the future of the Texans under Kubiak (because it has become clear to me now that he will be here for a long time) is that he will have essentially a .500 record for his tenure here. Oh, now and again this team will win the occasional conference championship or two, but that will just be followed by quick exits from the play-offs and 10 loss seasons the next year. All smoke and mirrors really.

But it will be enough so that the Kubiak lovers, headed by the chief Kubiak lover himself, will point to any success and say, “See I told you so”. But the excitement will be short-lived. It will just go on long enough so there is no death nail in the coaching coffin of Kubiak’s Texans carreer.

Thorn
12-31-2010, 09:26 PM
Someone please rep Gma for me, as I get the msr message... :pissed:

I did.

Khari
12-31-2010, 09:28 PM
the facepalm icons predicted the future!

:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 09:31 PM
the facepalm icons predicted the future!

:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

The admins must be psychic! :)

BattleRedToro
12-31-2010, 09:43 PM
Second: I have at several times in the past compared Kubiak’s tenure with that of the Cincinatti Bengals under Marvin Lewis as HC. This once proud Super Bowl contender fell on hard times under a few coaches and was so glad to get back to mediocrity that they have kept Marvin Lewis around for a lot longer than he deserves to be.

I am aware that there are some insignificant differences between the two, but this is not going to be an apples and oranges comparison.

My prediction for the future of the Texans under Kubiak (because it has become clear to me now that he will be here for a long time) is that he will have essentially a .500 record for his tenure here. Oh, now and again this team will win the occasional conference championship or two, but that will just be followed by quick exits from the play-offs and 10 loss seasons the next year. All smoke and mirrors really.

But it will be enough so that the Kubiak lovers, headed by the chief Kubiak lover himself, will point to any success and say, “See I told you so”. But the excitement will be short-lived. It will just go on long enough so there is no death nail in the coaching coffin of Kubiak’s Texans carreer.

Gary Kubiak is no Marvin Lewis. Marvin Lewis led the Bengals to two years of 10 or more wins and both times they were 1st place finishes in their division. On the other hand, Gary Kubiak's best season was 9 wins and a 2nd place finish in the divison, while garnering no playoff spot.

SpringTexan
12-31-2010, 09:50 PM
:kubepalm:

Please for the love of God let this be untrue.

BetaV1
12-31-2010, 10:04 PM
My prediction for the future of the Texans under Kubiak (because it has become clear to me now that he will be here for a long time) is that he will have essentially a .500 record for his tenure here. Oh, now and again this team will win the occasional conference championship or two, but that will just be followed by quick exits from the play-offs and 10 loss seasons the next year. All smoke and mirrors really.

I think a lot of people here would be pretty satisfied with a few trips to the Superbowl. :specnatz:

Texan_Bill
12-31-2010, 10:13 PM
*Breaking News*


JB and Thorn are drunk!!! :cowboy1:

Thorn
12-31-2010, 10:17 PM
*Breaking News*


JB and Thorn are drunk!!! :cowboy1:

um.....not yet. But maybe later. :)

JB
12-31-2010, 10:19 PM
*Breaking News*


JB and Thorn are drunk!!! :cowboy1:

Workin' on it...

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 10:22 PM
I'm winning again JB... And I don't care if you're working on a Maker's Mark :)

JB
12-31-2010, 10:23 PM
I'm winning again JB... And I don't care if you're working on a Maker's Mark :)

Are you sure? I've been off since noon. :shots:

FirstTexansFan
12-31-2010, 10:25 PM
Are you sure? I've been off since noon. :shots:

Office was closed today, I got started before 9am <wink>

JB
12-31-2010, 10:27 PM
Office was closed today, I got started before 9am <wink>

Damn! I guess I need to work a bit harder!

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 10:30 PM
*Breaking News*


JB and Thorn are drunk!!! :cowboy1:


Found this video of Bill trying to casually "walk it off" before Midnight comes.

http://th522.photobucket.com/albums/w348/Richtoon18/th_1233095777_904ca83.gif

JB
12-31-2010, 10:35 PM
:lol:

Khari
12-31-2010, 10:35 PM
bill looks like a mythbuster!

Texan_Bill
12-31-2010, 10:41 PM
Found this video of Bill trying to casually "walk it off" before Midnight comes.

http://th522.photobucket.com/albums/w348/Richtoon18/th_1233095777_904ca83.gif

Doc.... that ain't right!! :lol:

I still got a dinner for ya!

Texan_Bill
12-31-2010, 10:43 PM
:lol:

:foottap: WTH are you laughing at, you old curmudgeon!!

JB
12-31-2010, 10:46 PM
:foottap: WTH are you laughing at, you old curmudgeon!!

Moi? I thought it looked just like you... except that dude has hair. :shades:

CloakNNNdagger
12-31-2010, 10:49 PM
Don't feel bad, guys.

http://www.funnychill.com/files/funny-pictures/funny-motivators-21.jpg

GNTLEWOLF
12-31-2010, 11:04 PM
I think a lot of people here would be pretty satisfied with a few trips to the Superbowl. :specnatz:

Two things....I meant division championships. mMy mistake on that one
Next: the comparison is with Marvin Lewis----he has never taken the Bengals to a Super Bowl. They went to those a long time before his tenure.
Also: as to those division championships; even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

GNTLEWOLF
12-31-2010, 11:09 PM
Gary Kubiak is no Marvin Lewis. Marvin Lewis led the Bengals to two years of 10 or more wins and both times they were 1st place finishes in their division. On the other hand, Gary Kubiak's best season was 9 wins and a 2nd place finish in the divison, while garnering no playoff spot.

If you read the whole post you will see that what I'm predicting about Kubiak is not a good thing. BTW Lewis's record at Cincinatti has not been very good either. He has as many down seasons as he has up seasons. My point was that just like Lewis's wins in Cincinatti, any play-off runs Kubiak will have here will be all smoke an mirrors. Lewis is at best a mediocre head coach as is Kubiak. It will b an "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while" situation.
....and you better believe over the next several years as Hc, Kubiak will eventually win a division or two. Blind squirrel/nut.

Also...2..only two 10 or more win seasons over how many years at Cincinatti. Don't act like I'm insulting Marvin Lewis or anything... He is mediocre just like Kubiak....If anything this team has Marvin Lewis syndrome right now...

bckey
12-31-2010, 11:51 PM
....and you better believe over the next several years as Hc, Kubiak will eventually win a division or two. Blind squirrel/nut.

Also...2..only two 10 or more win seasons over how many years at Cincinatti. Don't act like I'm insulting Marvin Lewis or anything... He is mediocre just like Kubiak....If anything this team has Marvin Lewis syndrome right now...

We kind of discussed this in another thread the other day. Basically it was stated that Kubiak is an mediocre coach and that we have an 8-8 team here under him. It runs about 8-8 + or - 2 depending on schedule. If they win tomorrow it would put them at 6 wins with a tough schedule. Last year with the cream puff schedule they managed 9 wins. Just an average team that never improves.

devo-x
12-31-2010, 11:59 PM
What would it take for McNair to relieve Kubiak of his head coaching duties? How will he justify keeping Kubiak next year?

wagonhed
01-01-2011, 12:18 AM
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee131/Elizabeth_Black/SmashingHeadOnKeyboard.gif

Corrosion
01-01-2011, 02:08 AM
What would it take for McNair to relieve Kubiak of his head coaching duties? How will he justify keeping Kubiak next year?




I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

Ckw
01-01-2011, 02:49 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

All I can say is I hope you are right. I will happily eat crow if it means the Texans are in the playoffs next year by actually winning the division. But the fact is history is on my side. I have nothing to prove. Kubiak's horrible preparation and clock management have done that for me.

GNTLEWOLF
01-01-2011, 03:38 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

I can promise you, if this happens, I'm not gonna buy into the excitment. It will all be part of the smoke and mirrors/ Blind squirrel/nut thing. It will fit perfectly into the marvin Lewis Syndrome. Only the truely blind will believe it is a turning point. The following year it will be back to mediocre.
BTW they won't be 12-2....more like squeak by with 10-6 or something like it...Face it, Kubiak is no HC...

Grams
01-01-2011, 07:13 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

I sincerely hope you are correct. But unless they change the HC, I don't think this will happen. But I will have no problem admitting I was wrong.

thunderkyss
01-01-2011, 07:45 AM
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee131/Elizabeth_Black/SmashingHeadOnKeyboard.gif

So....

What are you saying?
:kitten:

thunderkyss
01-01-2011, 07:48 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

If that happens, I will have no problem mentioning I was wrong. Next years schedule is going to be just as tough, AFC North, NFC South.

We ain't winning 12 games with Gary Kubiak as head coach.

Lucky
01-01-2011, 10:27 AM
BTW they won't be 12-2....more like squeak by with 10-6 or something like it...
I'm certain the Texans will "improve" to 8-8 next season. Proving once again that they're "on the right track".

gary
01-01-2011, 11:30 AM
Next season will be the Texans 11th straight season of missing the playoffs with Gary at the helm.

GuerillaBlack
01-01-2011, 11:34 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

I really hope you are right. I'd gladly eat my crow if that were to happen, but I was saying the same things this year about Kubiak and we're going into the last game 5-10. And just like last year, people were saying, "I look forward to next season when the Texans are 12-2 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one." We'll see.

thunderkyss
01-01-2011, 11:35 AM
Next season will be the Texans 11th straight season of missing the playoffs with Gary at the helm.

Gary, if you were King, what would you have done differently, how far back would you have gone?

Mixgosu
01-01-2011, 11:43 AM
I look forward to next season when the Texans are 14-0 and clinch the division with two weeks to go and you were all on board from day one.

See what I did there?

I can pull numbers out of my ass too

gary
01-01-2011, 11:44 AM
Gary, if you were King, what would you have done differently, how far back would you have gone?
Not stuck with Gary for a sixth season. Maybe hired some one else after Capers.

TexanExile
01-01-2011, 11:52 AM
Texans on the other hand....nope, most people can't even name more than 3 or 4 players on our team. Others laugh and throw us in the same category as the Lions.

Yeah...and indeed, why shouldn't they? This team's done nothing to warrant attention.

When I read the above I was reminded of a festival I went to last fall in Pennsylvania--I saw a booth where a lady was hand-painting glasses with NFL team logos. I was wearing a Texans cap and when she saw it she nearly dropped the glass she was working on. "Oh my God!" she said. "I painted a glass for the Houston team like 2 years ago and you're the first fan I've ever seen from them!" She asked me Texans questions like she was asking about a newly-discovered tribe from the jungles of Africa.

So we'll keep running our little small-time operation down here, hiring only the people we personally know or the people who are sons of local legends, muddle around a .400 overall record for another decade or so, and some will just keep being amazed that ESPN, fans outside Greater Houston, or the national sports media don't pay attention to the Texans.

I get it now. If Kubiak stays and SonofaBum comes aboard, I will never ask that question again. This is becoming the ultimate bumpkin operation. You could pay attention to the Texans from afar, but honestly: why would you?

thunderkyss
01-01-2011, 12:13 PM
Not stuck with Gary for a sixth season. Maybe hired some one else after Capers.

Instead of Capers, who would you have hired?

When would you have cut ties with Kubiak? After his second 8-8 season? or before?

GuerillaBlack
01-01-2011, 12:28 PM
Instead of Capers, who would you have hired?

When would you have cut ties with Kubiak? After his second 8-8 season? or before?

I'd have cut Kubiak after this season. I understand not firing after last season (though the extension was uncalled for). Even though saying "Bob, the Houston Texans are freaking winners!!" after not making the playoffs and having an average 9-7 season was pretty damn corny, I could still see keeping him. I didn't know the defense was going to get this bad though, and I was hoping Kubiak would do better with his gameplanning, timeout/clock/challenge management, getting this team prepared, etc. Only time I saw that was in the first game, when he kept running it with Arian in the fourth.

DX-TEX
01-01-2011, 12:29 PM
I read somewhere, I just cant remember for the life of me, that all this talk of Phillips as DC is being fabricated the Phillips family. So I still hold out hope that the ax will drop on Monday.

gary
01-01-2011, 01:00 PM
I am talking about right now TK. When is it enough? But, you know I should not tell Bob what to do because of the problems going on around the world. Why should I root for my favorite team to get better?