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2slik4u
12-30-2010, 08:32 AM
Just off the bat, I have heard no rumors of this but thought it was just as plausible as Phillips/Kubiak.

First off, I want to say that I want Kubiak gone just as bad as the next guy but I would rather have a combo of Kubes and "insert great DC name here" than another unproven assisstant coach turn head coach.

Singletary just got canned in SF with a rather poor showing as a HC over there so Im not sure that teams will be lining up to hire him as the saving grace at HC. He did however display that "punch you in the mouth" winning attitude that I, myself would love to see on this team. He has an unreal background of great defense and in my eyes, is a hell of a guy that players would respect and in no way is the "softy" coach that Kubiak OR Wade would be.

Just throwing another thought to ponder on out there.

Thoughts?

Txn_in_Oki
12-30-2010, 08:41 AM
Holding players and yourself as a coach responsible instills repect in players.

Pulling your pants down and going bat-shit crazy on the sidelines... not so much.

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 08:44 AM
Holding players and yourself as a coach responsible instills repect in players.

Pulling your pants down and going bat-shit crazy on the sidelines... not so much.

Yeah, maybe. But benching your star player to let him and the team know that not one single person is above the rest of the team does instill respect.

Not many coaches have the balls to do that.

Txn_in_Oki
12-30-2010, 08:47 AM
Yeah, maybe. But benching your star player to let him and the team know that not one single person is above the rest of the team does instill respect.

Not many coaches have the balls to do that.

I missed that... who did he sit out?

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 08:47 AM
I missed that... who did he sit out?

Vernon Davis. Mid game, benched his ass due to diva like tendencies, not playing hard, etc.

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 08:50 AM
I missed that... who did he sit out?

After VD was benched, the relationship was reportedly stonger than it had ever been between those two. VD then went on to become team captain and was a leader of the team after that.

That my friend is what a HC needs to do.

***that, and win games.

infantrycak
12-30-2010, 09:00 AM
He's never been a defensive coordinator.

steelbtexan
12-30-2010, 09:06 AM
Kubes/Singletary = blind leading the blind.

Did yo u see how unprepared the 49ers looked this yr? It was a joke. Almost Texan like.

Ole Miss Texan
12-30-2010, 09:06 AM
Yeah, maybe. But benching your star player to let him and the team know that not one single person is above the rest of the team does instill respect.

Not many coaches have the balls to do that.
Arian Foster, who led the NFL in rushing through three weeks with 406 yards, did not play until midway through the second quarter of Sunday's Texans-Raiders game because of what the team called a "coach's decision."

"I didn't handle my business off the field and I got disciplined for it and rightfully so," Foster said, according to MyFoxHouston.com. I take full responsibility, and I apologize to my teammates for it and it won't happen again.

Foster entered the game with just under seven minutes remaining in the second quarter.

"Bottom line is we all have responsibilities," Texans head coach Gary Kubiak said. "Over the course of the last couple of weeks he's neglected a couple of responsibilities and been unaccountable in a couple of situations.

"When that happens you got to learn a lesson. You got to pay a price. I'm disappointed in him, but I'm proud of him coming back and playing well."
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/10/03/arian-foster-benched-early-vs-raiders-because-of-coachs-decis/?synd=1
He's never been a defensive coordinator.
Singletary, to me, has never been an X's and O's kinda guy. I think he'd be a great position coach... and maybe work his way up to DC. Like you said cak, he's never been a DC. If Kubiak stays as HC I want a proven DC in here that has done it before.

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 09:07 AM
He's never been a defensive coordinator.

Sorry.

LB coach in 2003 with Balitmore
LB coach and assisstant HC in SF in 2004
HC in 2007 in SF

LB for Chicago Bears, most notably the 85 Bears. One of the best defenses ever assembled.

Defensive background is there. I dont think a jump to DC would be to ridiculous.

Pollardized
12-30-2010, 09:12 AM
San Fran doesn't have nearly the talent that the Texans have. Or that they are supposed to have according to their draft position. I would love to see Mike Singletary's reaction to someone with Mario or Amobe's God given talent taking plays off. Singletary is old school. He believes you earn a paycheck to play the game; to play every single play like it's your last. He expects alot out of the players, especially those with that ability. I'd like to see how pissed he could get on our sidelines....

BetaV1
12-30-2010, 09:19 AM
If this were a year or two ago, I'd be extremely happy to have Singletary come on and get his feet wet here as a defensive coordinator, but Gary is on his absolute last straw here and he has to get it right. No more experiments with the defensive personnel.

That said, Pollardized hit the nail on the head! I would love to get Singletary here as a linebacker or defensive line coach!

97roc
12-30-2010, 09:38 AM
No.

DonnyMost
12-30-2010, 09:40 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98255&d=1256640225

Stemp
12-30-2010, 09:40 AM
Need a proven DC, not ANOTHER first time DC.

Ole Miss Texan
12-30-2010, 10:06 AM
If this were a year or two ago, I'd be extremely happy to have Singletary come on and get his feet wet here as a defensive coordinator, but Gary is on his absolute last straw here and he has to get it right. No more experiments with the defensive personnel.

That said, Pollardized hit the nail on the head! I would love to get Singletary here as a linebacker or defensive line coach!

My thoughts as well. Would love him as a position coach. Does he deserve a shot at DC? Sure I think he does. But not with us right now with Kubes as HC. We need a proven guy that knows what he's doing. Like you said, this is the last straw for Kubes and they better not take any chances. If Cowher came in as HC THEN maybe look at Singletary. He needs a guy to help him grow in the DC role and learn about it... not thrown in with a HC that knows nothing about the D... like what happend to Bush (almost).

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 10:15 AM
My thoughts as well. Would love him as a position coach. Does he deserve a shot at DC? Sure I think he does. But not with us right now with Kubes as HC. We need a proven guy that knows what he's doing. Like you said, this is the last straw for Kubes and they better not take any chances. If Cowher came in as HC THEN maybe look at Singletary. He needs a guy to help him grow in the DC role and learn about it... not thrown in with a HC that knows nothing about the D... like what happend to Bush (almost).

This would be my choice.

Hervoyel
12-30-2010, 10:15 AM
I'm unable to entertain any scenario that doesn't begin with "Gary Kubiak is fired...." so this is something that I have less than zero interest in. It's like suggesting that we find a new combination of failures and see if they together make a success.

I know manure tastes terrible but what if we combine manure with the also terrible taste of diesel fuel. Maybe then we'd have a delicious treat?

How about "No"?

Doesn't look promising from the outset. In fact Kubiak with Wade Phillips as DC looks more interesting and I have zero interest in that.

Revolution
12-30-2010, 10:48 AM
I'm unable to entertain any scenario that doesn't begin with "Gary Kubiak is fired...." so this is something that I have less than zero interest in. It's like suggesting that we find a new combination of failures and see if they together make a success.

I know manure tastes terrible but what if we combine manure with the also terrible taste of diesel fuel. Maybe then we'd have a delicious treat?

How about "No"?

Doesn't look promising from the outset. In fact Kubiak with Wade Phillips as DC looks more interesting and I have zero interest in that.

This.

Mr teX
12-30-2010, 10:53 AM
I'm unable to entertain any scenario that doesn't begin with "Gary Kubiak is fired...." so this is something that I have less than zero interest in. It's like suggesting that we find a new combination of failures and see if they together make a success.
I know manure tastes terrible but what if we combine manure with the also terrible taste of diesel fuel. Maybe then we'd have a delicious treat?

How about "No"?

Doesn't look promising from the outset. In fact Kubiak with Wade Phillips as DC looks more interesting and I have zero interest in that.

Well, that's what KC did. They added two failed HC's (off the Belichick tree no less) in Crennel & Weiss around their HC & voila...shit to sugar in 1 year. Not saying i don't think kubiak is deserving of being fired but don't underestimate the impact of what good coordinators can do for a team.

Rey
12-30-2010, 11:05 AM
I don't think that'd be the answer....

I'd feel a little better about an established D-coordinator with a get 'er done or get the hell out attitude, but Singletary doesn't impress me as a potential D-coordinator for us...

Hervoyel
12-30-2010, 11:14 AM
Well, that's what KC did. They added two failed HC's (off the Belichick tree no less) in Crennel & Weiss around their HC & voila...shit to sugar in 1 year. Not saying i don't think kubiak is deserving of being fired but don't underestimate the impact of what good coordinators can do for a team.


I get that and if I thought that we had a problem on only one side of the ball then I might think that this could solve our problems. I believe our team has bigger issues than that and that the offense has very nearly as much to do with our lousy record as our defense does. They play at most 30 minutes a week and they do it this way consistently. They kill drives with things like ill-timed penalties, blown pass protection, dropped passes that hit the receivers right in the hands, passes thrown into the dirt at receivers feet, a QB who shies away from taking the first down that's 4-5 empty yards in front of him, and mysteriously moronic decisions like trying to hit Andre 30 yards down the field when they need a handful of yards to keep the drive alive.

To me those aren't related to the kind of offense we run as much as they are to the focus and preparedness of the players. It's like they just don't care. They say they care but they don't play like it. It's also related to the way the coaches choose to run the offense. Kubiak (or Dennison) makes some stupid decisions at times. It might be Dennison but honestly, we did the same stupid shit last year before he ever came here. It's Gary and that isn't going to change. It hasn't changed in 5 years.

Wade can't fix that. No DC can. This is the OC, or in our case more than likely the HC who is waist deep into the OC's responsibilities.

I think the regime is dead in place and will believe that until the players prove otherwise. They are capable of playing great football. We've seen them play great football. We've even seen it in stretches this season.

Mr. White
12-30-2010, 11:18 AM
I don't think that'd be the answer....

I'd feel a little better about an established D-coordinator with a get 'er done or get the hell out attitude, but Singletary doesn't impress me as a potential D-coordinator for us...

Singletary seems more like a "Leader of Men." For some reason, he doesn't strike me as the type of guy that can draw up a defense.

He'd still probably be better than what we've seen lately.

steelbtexan
12-30-2010, 11:24 AM
Well, that's what KC did. They added two failed HC's (off the Belichick tree no less) in Crennel & Weiss around their HC & voila...shit to sugar in 1 year. Not saying i don't think kubiak is deserving of being fired but don't underestimate the impact of what good coordinators can do for a team.

Kubiak has had chances to hire 2 DCs,3 OC's,3 DL coaches and 2 DB coaches and the defense is still historically bad.

This is just another failure on his resume.

Mr teX
12-30-2010, 11:31 AM
I get that and if I thought that we had a problem on only one side of the ball then I might think that this could solve our problems. I believe our team has bigger issues than that and that the offense has very nearly as much to do with our lousy record as our defense does. They play at most 30 minutes a week and they do it this way consistently. They kill drives with things like ill-timed penalties, blown pass protection, dropped passes that hit the receivers right in the hands, passes thrown into the dirt at receivers feet, a QB who shies away from taking the first down that's 4-5 empty yards in front of him, and mysteriously moronic decisions like trying to hit Andre 30 yards down the field when they need a handful of yards to keep the drive alive.

To me those aren't related to the kind of offense we run as much as they are to the focus and preparedness of the players. It's like they just don't care. They say they care but they don't play like it. It's also related to the way the coaches choose to run the offense. Kubiak (or Dennison) makes some stupid decisions at times. It might be Dennison but honestly, we did the same stupid shit last year before he ever came here. It's Gary and that isn't going to change. It hasn't changed in 5 years.

Wade can't fix that. No DC can. This is the OC, or in our case more than likely the HC who is waist deep into the OC's responsibilities.

I think the regime is dead in place and will believe that until the players prove otherwise. They are capable of playing great football. We've seen them play great football. We've even seen it in stretches this season.

Alot of what you're saying can just as easily be the players themselves as it could be the coach. I mean, i see the same things you see i just look at it from a different perspective. Players are just gonna make mistakes at times. No team or HC is immune to it. Look at the giants right now. Coughlin can't get Manning to stop throwing picks & well, you saw what happened a few weeks back with the punter too right? Coughlin is thought of pretty highly in the NFL as a HC, we know they have enough talent, so what's the problem? Focus, preparedness & execution is just as much on the player as it is the coach.

Mr teX
12-30-2010, 11:41 AM
Kubiak has had chances to hire 2 DCs,3 OC's,3 DL coaches and 2 DB coaches and the defense is still historically bad.

This is just another failure on his resume.

We know he's been a failure in this regard & that really isn't where i was going with what i said. The point is that anyone can win if they have good coordinators around them.......yes even him with his numerous failures EVERYWHERE.

Ole Miss Texan
12-30-2010, 11:46 AM
Well the good news is I'm betting Kubiak doesn't get to hire his guy again. He's had that chance. Smith/McNair(s) will be heading up the candidates and making that decision. Whether you have faith in them is a different story but they're going to hire who they want, not who Gary wants.

steelbtexan
12-30-2010, 12:02 PM
We know he's been a failure in this regard & that really isn't where i was going with what i said. The point is that anyone can win if they have good coordinators around them.......yes even him with his numerous failures EVERYWHERE.

Agreed

My point is that Kubiak hasn't hired the best OC/DC available. This could be that he's not well connected. Or he doesn't want to hire a high profile guy. Because if he fails he doesn't want a high profile guy replacing him on an interim basis.

Kubiak should have been replace earlier this yr if thre had been an asst coach capable of handling the job.

Yesterday
12-30-2010, 12:09 PM
Please, no.

infantrycak
12-30-2010, 12:14 PM
My point is that Kubiak hasn't hired the best OC/DC available. This could be that he's not well connected. Or he doesn't want to hire a high profile guy. Because if he fails he doesn't want a high profile guy replacing him on an interim basis.

He hired Mike Sherman who went to the playoffs 4 of 6 years and was division champion 3 times.

Pollardized
12-30-2010, 12:17 PM
San Fran doesn't have nearly the talent that the Texans have. Or that they are supposed to have according to their draft position. I would love to see Mike Singletary's reaction to someone with Mario or Amobe's God given talent taking plays off. Singletary is old school. He believes you earn a paycheck to play the game; to play every single play like it's your last. He expects alot out of the players, especially those with that ability. I'd like to see how pissed he could get on our sidelines....

I think I left out this part: I'd like to see how pissed he could get on our sidelines... as an LB coach, a DL coach, or a secondary coach. I bet he could literally have Brian Cushing running into a brick wall, just to see if it would move for him. He is a great leader of position players. I'm just imagining, if we ran a 3-4, have Cushing, DeMeco, convert Pollard to LB, add one other (maybe Sharpton), have Singletary as their LB coach. I believe there would be some piss left all off the field at the end of the game.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-30-2010, 12:32 PM
Pollard will never be a linebacker.

Pollardized
12-30-2010, 12:45 PM
Pollard will never be a linebacker.

I've been thinking about this for awhile. Bernard Pollard is not good in coverage. I believe he knows that is his weakness. I think you can recognize that in his statements about hitting people and letting someone else go for the ball. The man loves to hit. Period. I also think he likes to get after the QB. Was it last game, or game before, he was rushing the QB alot? Could you imagine him as an OLB in a 3-4?

If he had a "leader of men" like Mike Singletary, who thought Pollard would and could be a beast at LB, I believe he would play LB. I think it would have to be presented to him in a way that got him excited about his potential to do what he loves to do - hit people.

Mr teX
12-30-2010, 01:07 PM
I've been thinking about this for awhile. Bernard Pollard is not good in coverage. I believe he knows that is his weakness. I think you can recognize that in his statements about hitting people and letting someone else go for the ball. The man loves to hit. Period. I also think he likes to get after the QB. Was it last game, or game before, he was rushing the QB alot? Could you imagine him as an OLB in a 3-4?

If he had a "leader of men" like Mike Singletary, who thought Pollard would and could be a beast at LB, I believe he would play LB. I think it would have to be presented to him in a way that got him excited about his potential to do what he loves to do - hit people.

I'm sure you know this but i'll say it anyway. Lb is more than just hitting & rushing the passer. What's pollard gonna do when he's got to shed or take on a guy that outweighs him by 50-70 lbs? LB's have to do this often & his little frame couldn't handle that & delivering the type of hits he like to deliver for an entire season. At any rate, he'd still have to cover slot guys & would still be a liability on the field. In fact, he'd be probably be more of a liability with the things i described above.

Corrosion
12-30-2010, 03:57 PM
Yeah, maybe. But benching your star player to let him and the team know that not one single person is above the rest of the team does instill respect.

Not many coaches have the balls to do that.

Kubiak did that to Foster earlier this season and got roasted for it. :roast:

steelbtexan
12-30-2010, 04:22 PM
he hired mike sherman who went to the playoffs 4 of 6 years and was division champion 3 times.

fok

GP
12-30-2010, 04:36 PM
No way. I think Singletary is a kook.

I don't knock him for the big Christian cross around his neck, though I am a Christian and there is some credibility to the idea that people who sport the Christian cross a lot (jewlery, shirts, bumper stickers, etc.) are more about outward appearances and have little of the substance that should lie beneath the surface--sue me if you disagree or if this describes you.

He is a kook, though, whether he follows Christ or Buddha. Kook.

All he did was make an ass out of himself and create havoc with emotional displays that made things worse than better. And before someone says that we always beg for Kubiak to show more fire, emotion, etc., I'm talking about a sensible, measured display of emotion. Not that of the kook variety.

Dude is a kook. No thanks.

Pollardized
12-30-2010, 06:54 PM
Kubiak did that to Foster earlier this season and got roasted for it. :roast:

kubiak benched Foster for off field behavior if I understand correctly. I want him to bench people for on field behavior: loafing, disappearing on plays, not tackling properly. you know, the stuff they get paid to do....

Jrod7451
12-30-2010, 08:12 PM
I very much agree with you. Being a hard ass is one of the best ways to get results out of your players. But just plain being an ass makes your players hate your more and makes it easier to tear up any team chemistry that we had before. I'm sure that the defensive players watch ESPN and see this guy yell at his players atleast once a game and don't really want him their. So why bring a coach who could potentially start some trouble in the locker room that wasn't already their? Just bring in another guy with the same credentials who wouldn't tear the team apart.

Honoring Earl 34
12-30-2010, 08:19 PM
kubiak benched Foster for off field behavior if I understand correctly. I want him to bench people for on field behavior: loafing, disappearing on plays, not tackling properly. you know, the stuff they get paid to do....

They overheard him telling a kid that if he hits someone he gets a timeout . :kubepalm: :wadepalm:

BullsOnParade
12-31-2010, 09:07 AM
I'd rather have Singletary than this guy :wadepalm:!

Pollardized
12-31-2010, 09:14 AM
I'm sure you know this but i'll say it anyway. Lb is more than just hitting & rushing the passer. What's pollard gonna do when he's got to shed or take on a guy that outweighs him by 50-70 lbs? LB's have to do this often & his little frame couldn't handle that & delivering the type of hits he like to deliver for an entire season. At any rate, he'd still have to cover slot guys & would still be a liability on the field. In fact, he'd be probably be more of a liability with the things i described above.

Yeah I was looking at that and the only way Pollard could play LB would be with another 20 pounds on his frame. Then he would lose some quickness and mobility. I think as far as covering slot guys, he would mediocre. But, MEDIOCRITY is the game at Houston Texans headquarters!!!!

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 09:27 AM
I'd rather have Singletary than this guy :wadepalm:!

Out of curiousity, why? Don't take this as bashing your idea, because that's far from it. I think he has the potential to be a good DC, I just don't like the idea of another "inexperienced" guy with Kubiak as HC. Can I say that with a straight face after 3 years of HC experience? LOL.

2002 - Passed over for Baylor's HC position. Declined
2003 - Hired as Linebackers coach with Ravens
2004 - Hired as Linebackers coach with 49'ers and deemed Asst. HC
2007 - Interviewed for HC position with Baylor again, Cowboys and Chargers. All Declined
2008 - Became Interim HC of 49'ers when Nolan was fired.
2009 - Named HC of 49'ers
2010 - Fired as HC of the 49'ers

Record as HC: 18-22 [5-4,8-8,5-10]

I would like Singletary in two scenarios: (1) He was a position coach for us, Linebackers coach, but that's highly unlikely (2) We give him a chance to be DC for the first time in his career ONLY under a proven HC like Bill Cowher. I still prefer Phillips as DC, regardless of who our HC is though... but that's just me.

Ole Miss Texan
12-31-2010, 02:48 PM
Has anybody heard any rumors about where Singletary might end up? I've seen nothing.

Would he be a Linebackers coach for us? Don't know what people think of Johnny Holland (current LB coach) or if Singletary would even be interested in it.

From Houston, played at Baylor!

Pantherstang84
12-31-2010, 03:30 PM
Has anybody heard any rumors about where Singletary might end up? I've seen nothing.

Would he be a Linebackers coach for us? Don't know what people think of Johnny Holland (current LB coach) or if Singletary would even be interested in it.

From Houston, played at Baylor!

Yeah. We can just add him to the home town hero gang already here. :homer: