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RagingBull
12-29-2010, 04:21 PM
Someone in another post mentioned that most of us do not want to win the Jags game. I am curious what the consensus is. Do we want to win or would you rather lose to a backup QB in order to improve draft pick/improve the odds of Kubiak being ousted.

RagingBull
12-29-2010, 04:26 PM
Nevermind, someone already put up a similar poll. I did not scroll down far enough.:kubepalm::wadepalm::mariopalm:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78892

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 04:27 PM
Voted no and have absolutely no problem doing it. Especially since I'm now starting to here rumors that dumbass McNair actually wants to bring back Kubiak.

:kubepalm:

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 04:28 PM
Nevermind, someone already put up a similar poll. I did not scroll down far enough.:kubepalm::wadepalm::mariopalm:

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78892

Thanks, I didn't see that one...voted no there too.

BetaV1
12-29-2010, 04:28 PM
You play. To win. The game.

The fate of Kubiak was likely decided days, if not weeks, ago. Our draft status something I could care less about at the moment. I'll think of the draft when the draft rolls around. The football field, as Ray Lewis said, is a battlefield. It's war out there. The enemy is coming into our territory. I for one will never root against my team because it would be like wanting your country to lose a war.

:texflag: One left. Get it done.

Corrosion
12-29-2010, 07:57 PM
Voted no and have absolutely no problem doing it. Especially since I'm now starting to here rumors that dumbass McNair actually wants to bring back Kubiak.

:kubepalm:

I been telling you why for weeks .... There is almost no objectivity when it comes to Kubiak within the Texans fan base now. Cant see the good he's done for the failure that is the back end of the defense.

Pantherstang84
12-29-2010, 08:06 PM
I'm just ready for this nightmare of a season to be over.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 08:11 PM
I been telling you why for weeks .... There is almost no objectivity when it comes to Kubiak within the Texans fan base now. Cant see the good he's done for the failure that is the back end of the defense.

The back end of the defense isn't the only failure here....there's plenty of failures on both sides of the ball.

Corrosion
12-29-2010, 09:25 PM
The back end of the defense isn't the only failure here....there's plenty of failures on both sides of the ball.

I wont (and cant) disagree with that - BUT when Bob looks at the numbers they tell a different tale.

Also , look at their record before and after they lost the leader of their already poor defense.


The coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed - Kubiak for the most part has done that. Its the players who have failed to capatilize on those situations presented them and the main issue has been the back end of the defense. If they arent "This Bad" the Texans record is probably considerably different.

Sure Kubiak gets some of that blame but a lot of that goes to Smith as well.

You have to see this from McNairs position rather than that of a fan to understand why he would stick with Kubiak - Objectivity.

Kaiser Toro
12-29-2010, 09:27 PM
I wonder what day I should bring down the Christmas tree? :kubepalm:

JB
12-29-2010, 09:35 PM
I wont (and cant) disagree with that - BUT when Bob looks at the numbers they tell a different tale.

Also , look at their record before and after they lost the leader of their already poor defense.


The coaches job is to put players in a position to succeed - Kubiak for the most part has done that. Its the players who have failed to capatilize on those situations presented them and the main issue has been the back end of the defense. If they arent "This Bad" the Texans record is probably considerably different.

Sure Kubiak gets some of that blame but a lot of that goes to Smith as well.

You have to see this from McNairs position rather than that of a fan to understand why he would stick with Kubiak - Objectivity.


Objectivity?! Here? Surely you jest.

Corrosion
12-29-2010, 09:36 PM
Objectivity?! Here? Surely you jest.

Fans are like :kitten:'s .... Fickle.

Mr. White
12-29-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm just ready for this nightmare of a season to be over.

I wonder what day I should bring down the Christmas tree? :kubepalm:

I didn't vote because I didn't see "Screw it. Let's just end the season" as an option.

Rey
12-29-2010, 09:51 PM
I don't really care at this point what they do against the Jags...

The whole thing is just pretty pathetic right now...

HJam72
12-29-2010, 09:57 PM
I don't care.

thunderkyss
12-29-2010, 10:11 PM
Voted no and have absolutely no problem doing it. Especially since I'm now starting to here rumors that dumbass McNair actually wants to bring back Kubiak.

:kubepalm:

I'm starting to like the idea of Kubiak & Wade more & more.

Rey
12-29-2010, 11:02 PM
I'm starting to like the idea of Kubiak & Wade more & more.

Right, two softies is exactly what we need.

wagonhed
12-29-2010, 11:14 PM
You play. To win. The game.

The fate of Kubiak was likely decided days, if not weeks, ago. Our draft status something I could care less about at the moment. I'll think of the draft when the draft rolls around. The football field, as Ray Lewis said, is a battlefield. It's war out there. The enemy is coming into our territory. I for one will never root against my team because it would be like wanting your country to lose a war.

:texflag: One left. Get it done.
I'm down with analogies but this one doesn't fly. If a football game is a battle, winning the Super Bowl is winning the war. Battles only matter in the context of the larger war, and if a battle doesn't contribue to winning a war, it is meaningless.

Winning the Super Bowl should be the ultimate, and ultimately the only, priority for a football team. People say that stats are for losers, but in reality, regular season wins and losses are also for losers. The only thing that matters is getting to the Super Bowl and winning it.

The above is undeniable. And the conclusion is inevitable. Winning these "battles", the games at the end of this ruined season, is not helping us win the war. In fact it's hurting us. The things that will help us win the Super Bowl are not victories right now but a new coaching staff and a stellar 2011 draft. Anything, and I do mean anything, that isn't helping us achieve those two things, which includes winning this final game, is either doing nothing or hurting us. Boosting our record and lowering our draft position is at this point hurting our chances of winning the Super Bowl in the near future.


War is not a time for emotions. It's a time for facing reality, cold determination and out-maneuvering your enemy. The oft-repeated maxim of "I will never root for my team to lose" is an emotional, irrational statement when compared with the realities of the football world. Of course that is fine, everyone is entitled to be whatever kind of fan they want to be. Not everyone takes football deathly seriously, and not everyone is comfortable comparing football to warfare. But for those who are inclined to make that comparison, the fact is that a blind desire to win every game no matter what is counter-productive to the only goal that matters.

Put it this way: Wanting to win this game is emotional. Wanting to lose it is strategic. Would you rather have a general that is emotional or strategic?



Personally, I'm hoping the Texans lose this Sunday, but it's not because I think football is war. I just realize that it will be to the long-term benefit of the team. I also want us to sit knicked up players and see what we have in Leinart, Dickerson, Graham, Sharpton, and some others. I know I take football less seriously than some people (my brother, for example), but I'm no better or worse of a fan than people who insist on rooting for the team in every single game. I have perfectly good reasons for my position and it has absolutely nothing to do with being a fair-weather fan or a bandwagoner. If I, or any of the others of us who want the Texans to lose this week, were fair-weather fans, we'd be long gone from this place, looking for a Patriots message board to post on.

:texflag:

CharloTex
12-29-2010, 11:28 PM
I'm down with analogies but this one doesn't fly. If a football game is a battle, winning the Super Bowl is winning the war. Battles only matter in the context of the larger war, and if a battle doesn't contribue to winning a war, it is meaningless.

Winning the Super Bowl should be the ultimate, and ultimately the only, priority for a football team. People say that stats are for losers, but in reality, regular season wins and losses are also for losers. The only thing that matters is getting to the Super Bowl and winning it.

The above is undeniable. And the conclusion is inevitable. Winning these "battles", the games at the end of this ruined season, is not helping us win the war. In fact it's hurting us. The things that will help us win the Super Bowl are not victories right now but a new coaching staff and a stellar 2011 draft. Anything, and I do mean anything, that isn't helping us achieve those two things, which includes winning this final game, is either doing nothing or hurting us. Boosting our record and lowering our draft position is at this point hurting our chances of winning the Super Bowl in the near future.


War is not a time for emotions. It's a time for facing reality, cold determination and out-maneuvering your enemy. The oft-repeated maxim of "I will never root for my team to lose" is an emotional, irrational statement when compared with the realities of the football world. Of course that is fine, everyone is entitled to be whatever kind of fan they want to be. Not everyone takes football deathly seriously, and not everyone is comfortable comparing football to warfare. But for those who are inclined to make that comparison, the fact is that a blind desire to win every game no matter what is counter-productive to the only goal that matters.

Put it this way: Wanting to win this game is emotional. Wanting to lose it is strategic. Would you rather have a general that is emotional or strategic?



Personally, I'm hoping the Texans lose this Sunday, but it's not because I think football is war. I just realize that it will be to the long-term benefit of the team. I also want us to sit knicked up players and see what we have in Leinart, Dickerson, Graham, Sharpton, and some others. I know I take football less seriously than some people (my brother, for example), but I'm no better or worse of a fan than people who insist on rooting for the team in every single game. I have perfectly good reasons for my position and it has absolutely nothing to do with being a fair-weather fan or a bandwagoner. If I, or any of the others of us who want the Texans to lose this week, were fair-weather fans, we'd be long gone from this place, looking for a Patriots message board to post on.

:texflag:

Wow!!! Spectacular post. I wish I had said any part of that, let alone all of it.

I also voted no, for the reasons you quite clearly said. Thanks!

Rey
12-29-2010, 11:51 PM
I'm down with analogies but this one doesn't fly. If a football game is a battle, winning the Super Bowl is winning the war. Battles only matter in the context of the larger war, and if a battle doesn't contribue to winning a war, it is meaningless.

Winning the Super Bowl should be the ultimate, and ultimately the only, priority for a football team. People say that stats are for losers, but in reality, regular season wins and losses are also for losers. The only thing that matters is getting to the Super Bowl and winning it.

The above is undeniable. And the conclusion is inevitable. Winning these "battles", the games at the end of this ruined season, is not helping us win the war. In fact it's hurting us. The things that will help us win the Super Bowl are not victories right now but a new coaching staff and a stellar 2011 draft. Anything, and I do mean anything, that isn't helping us achieve those two things, which includes winning this final game, is either doing nothing or hurting us. Boosting our record and lowering our draft position is at this point hurting our chances of winning the Super Bowl in the near future.


War is not a time for emotions. It's a time for facing reality, cold determination and out-maneuvering your enemy. The oft-repeated maxim of "I will never root for my team to lose" is an emotional, irrational statement when compared with the realities of the football world. Of course that is fine, everyone is entitled to be whatever kind of fan they want to be. Not everyone takes football deathly seriously, and not everyone is comfortable comparing football to warfare. But for those who are inclined to make that comparison, the fact is that a blind desire to win every game no matter what is counter-productive to the only goal that matters.

Put it this way: Wanting to win this game is emotional. Wanting to lose it is strategic. Would you rather have a general that is emotional or strategic?



Personally, I'm hoping the Texans lose this Sunday, but it's not because I think football is war. I just realize that it will be to the long-term benefit of the team. I also want us to sit knicked up players and see what we have in Leinart, Dickerson, Graham, Sharpton, and some others. I know I take football less seriously than some people (my brother, for example), but I'm no better or worse of a fan than people who insist on rooting for the team in every single game. I have perfectly good reasons for my position and it has absolutely nothing to do with being a fair-weather fan or a bandwagoner. If I, or any of the others of us who want the Texans to lose this week, were fair-weather fans, we'd be long gone from this place, looking for a Patriots message board to post on.

:texflag:

Wow....That is an excellent post my friend...

Repped...:photos:

DonnyMost
12-30-2010, 12:06 AM
Funny how the results are so different between the two polls.

Texecutioner
12-30-2010, 01:11 AM
Put it this way: Wanting to win this game is emotional. Wanting to lose it is strategic. Would you rather have a general that is emotional or strategic?
:texflag:

It baffles me that so many people still don't comprehend this idea with this current situation. As a fan I'm stuck having to root for the Texans to lose, because I know they can't go anywhere until they clean house. Losing out miserably is the only way that happens either now, next year, or three years from now at the rate we're going. Kubiak can't get fired for some reason. I don't think I've ever been in a situation before where I felt like losing would make this team better. Only with the Texans.

NitroGSXR
12-30-2010, 01:21 AM
It baffles me that so many people still don't comprehend this idea with this current situation. As a fan I'm stuck having to root for the Texans to lose, because I know they can't go anywhere until they clean house. Losing out miserably is the only way that happens either now, next year, or three years from now at the rate we're going. Kubiak can't get fired for some reason. I don't think I've ever been in a situation before where I felt like losing would make this team better. Only with the Texans.

So wagonhed wants to trot our soldiers out to the front lines without weapons. Play the strategic card all y'all want but that's not not how I roll. Call me emotional but I'm giving them guns.

Destroy Jacksonville.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2010, 01:25 AM
I choose option D.

Texecutioner
12-30-2010, 01:25 AM
So wagonhed wants to trot our soldiers out to the front lines without weapons. Play the strategic card all y'all want but that's not not how I roll. Call me emotional but I'm giving them guns.

Destroy Jacksonville.

I want to win the war (Super Bowl - Can't do it with Kubes), not one small measely battle (Typical meaningless game that Kubes wins in week 17.)

NitroGSXR
12-30-2010, 01:40 AM
I want to win the war (Super Bowl - Can't do it with Kubes), not one small measely battle (Typical meaningless game that Kubes wins in week 17.)

So lowering morale is on the road to redemption?

FYI, I want to win the war just the same but I'm not going to string my entire team out. You have to look at it this way... the football team is all the armed forces put together. I can understand sacrificing several Jacoby Jones but if you kill the entire team then they're all dead. We'd be left with nothing to fight for next year. Hope is a pretty powerful tool in a losing war.

Rape and pillage Jacksonville.

beerlover
12-30-2010, 01:40 AM
How can the Texans possibly lose this game to Jacksonville @ home with David Garrard out? Trent Williams, cut by Buffalo picked off waivers by Del Rio & Company, please.... I know its been bad, real bad each week a new low but this would be the ultimate low of this entire franchises history if the Texans lose this game, in which case "F" would be appropriate.

NitroGSXR
12-30-2010, 01:48 AM
How can the Texans possibly lose this game to Jacksonville @ home with David Garrard out? Trent Williams, cut by Buffalo picked off waivers by Del Rio & Company, please.... I know its been bad, real bad each week a new low but this would be the ultimate low of this entire franchises history if the Texans lose this game, in which case "F" would be appropriate.

Exactly why we must burn the village of Jacksonville down. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It's our Apocalypse Now.

Firebomb Jacksonville.

Carr Bombed
12-30-2010, 01:57 AM
How can the Texans possibly lose this game to Jacksonville @ home with David Garrard out? Trent Williams, cut by Buffalo picked off waivers by Del Rio & Company, please.... I know its been bad, real bad each week a new low but this would be the ultimate low of this entire franchises history if the Texans lose this game, in which case "F" would be appropriate.

What would be the lowest moment in Franchise History? That could be it's own thread in itself... That "Fitzpatrick" game was pretty low.

wagonhed
12-30-2010, 01:58 AM
How can the Texans possibly lose this game to Jacksonville @ home with David Garrard out? Trent Williams, cut by Buffalo picked off waivers by Del Rio & Company, please.... I know its been bad, real bad each week a new low but this would be the ultimate low of this entire franchises history if the Texans lose this game, in which case "F" would be appropriate.
Dude, we just lost to Tim Tebow and the 3-11 Broncos.

Carr Bombed
12-30-2010, 01:59 AM
Dude, we just lost to Tim Tebow and the 3-11 Broncos.

Yeah, that was pretty low too.. :) It's definitely up there.

mootini
12-30-2010, 08:09 AM
Please, tank it! :kitten::kitten::kitten:

Texaninlild
12-30-2010, 08:13 AM
So wagonhed wants to trot our soldiers out to the front lines without weapons. Play the strategic card all y'all want but that's not not how I roll. Call me emotional but I'm giving them guns.

Destroy Jacksonville.

I choose a new coaching staff over a win!

No more :kubepalm:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-30-2010, 08:18 AM
Go Jags

Dishman
12-30-2010, 09:11 AM
Too apathetic over this team to care if they win or lose. Frankly, I just hope whatever happens pushes the team in the right direction.

CharloTex
12-30-2010, 09:14 AM
Even though Garrard and possibly MJD are out, the Jags are favored in Vegas to win by 2.5.

Dishman
12-30-2010, 09:22 AM
So lowering morale is on the road to redemption?

FYI, I want to win the war just the same but I'm not going to string my entire team out. You have to look at it this way... the football team is all the armed forces put together. I can understand sacrificing several Jacoby Jones but if you kill the entire team then they're all dead. We'd be left with nothing to fight for next year. Hope is a pretty powerful tool in a losing war.

Rape and pillage Jacksonville.


Do you really feel that a meaningless win in the last week of the season is cause for hope and a sure defense against low morale? The previous multiple consecutive 7 or 8 losses don't serve as hope and morale builders for this team.

They may not be voicing it yet, but I guarantee you the players are tired of jogging in place every year. I'm sure there also tired of multiple consecutive seasons of their talents going by the wayside.

Tomorrow brings no hope other than the sliver of hope that Black Monday brings big changes.

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 09:36 AM
YES.

I think this season is past the point of no return for Mr. Mcnair. He WILL make changes on this coaching staff. Whether that is cleaning house and bringing in a new HC or just canning the def staff, changes will be made.

A win against our division rivals will not save anyones ass. Our season was ended weeks ago and we are fighting to get to 6-10.

Am I the only one that wants payback against the team that won of off a hail mary? The immaculate deflection?

Come on, someone please tell me that I am not the only one. Ive been waiting for this game since we lost to them because I think we are the better team and we should of won that game.

2slik4u
12-30-2010, 09:41 AM
Exactly why we must burn the village of Jacksonville down. I love the smell of napalm in the morning. It's our Apocalypse Now.

Firebomb Jacksonville.

Thank god Nitro. Kill em' all....let the paramedics sort em out.

NitroGSXR
12-30-2010, 09:55 AM
Do you really feel that a meaningless win in the last week of the season is cause for hope and a sure defense against low morale? The previous multiple consecutive 7 or 8 losses don't serve as hope and morale builders for this team.

They may not be voicing it yet, but I guarantee you the players are tired of jogging in place every year. I'm sure there also tired of multiple consecutive seasons of their talents going by the wayside.

Tomorrow brings no hope other than the sliver of hope that Black Monday brings big changes.

100% feel it.

Do you really think a loss would be instrumental to Black Monday? I don't. I think McNair's going to do what he's going to do. 5-11... 6-10... same difference.

Let's say... we lose 35-32 to a Jones-Drew/Garrard less. Key staff members gets retained. We have a repeat of last season's Jets season opener next year? This team will quit faster than a fire drenched with water and we'll have another season down the drain.

You do whatever it takes to keep morale up.

Rey
12-30-2010, 12:07 PM
Even though Garrard and possibly MJD are out, the Jags are favored in Vegas to win by 2.5.

They should be...

They are fielding a team aren't they?

Thorn
12-30-2010, 12:51 PM
meh.......for what it's worth, I voted yes in both polls.

thunderkyss
12-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Anything, and I do mean anything, that isn't helping us achieve those two things, which includes winning this final game, is either doing nothing or hurting us. Boosting our record and lowering our draft position is at this point hurting our chances of winning the Super Bowl in the near future.

...the fact is that a blind desire to win every game no matter what is counter-productive to the only goal that matters.

:texflag:

So you don't believe "you are what your record says you are"?

I mean if you believe teams lose games, or don't try to win every game, to strategically improve their draft status, then the last few losses don't really count.

Right?

Or is it that the difference between 6-10 & 5-11 is so minuscule, that it doesn't really matter?

Personally, I'd like to win the game, because I'd rather my team be 3-3 in the division, than 2-4. Of course I'd rather we were 5-1 or 6-0, but that ship has sailed.

I'll also be rooting for the Titans, that way, we'll all be 3-3 in the AFC South.

Or do you think Fischer will be trying to strategically place the Titans with a higher draft spot??

thunderkyss
12-30-2010, 04:48 PM
How can the Texans possibly lose this game to Jacksonville @ home with David Garrard out? Trent Williams, cut by Buffalo picked off waivers by Del Rio & Company, please.... I know its been bad, real bad each week a new low but this would be the ultimate low of this entire franchises history if the Texans lose this game, in which case "F" would be appropriate.

Many on our defense is in the same category as Trent (Edwards right?)...

Damien Lewis, Mark Anderson, Jason Allen, & Bernard Pollard & Tim Jamison if you get right down to it.