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CloakNNNdagger
12-29-2010, 12:25 PM
Back to football: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/david-garrard-out-for-jaguars-season-finale/)

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 29, 2010, 12:05 PM EST
The Jacksonville Jaguars’ long odds of making the playoffs just got longer.

Jaguars quarterback David Garrard will have surgery on his right middle finger tomorrow, and he’ll miss Sunday’s season finale against the Texans, the Florida Times-Union reports.

That means the Jaguars will go with Trent Edwards as the starter, with Todd Bouman backing him up, 1010XL Sports Radio in Jacksonville reports.

In order to make the playoffs, the Jaguars have to beat the Texans and hope the Colts lose to the Titans.

I wonder who their 300 yard passer will be on Sunday?

BIG TORO
12-29-2010, 12:27 PM
Does this mean we finally get a win, and we get to keep our head coach, because beating a 2nd string QB is a step in the right direction for this franchise!?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-29-2010, 12:29 PM
All it means is we get to add a new name to the list of QBs that will have torched us this season.

DonnyMost
12-29-2010, 12:32 PM
Trent Edwards; Week 17 AFC Offensive Player of the Week

mootini
12-29-2010, 12:33 PM
Mojo, will probably be out too...you guys should win.

Section516
12-29-2010, 01:01 PM
Most of us don't want to win...

infantrycak
12-29-2010, 01:06 PM
Most of us don't want to win...

Take your most of characterization and jump into a bayou. Stick to I don't want...

BullNation4Life
12-29-2010, 01:10 PM
Back to football: (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/david-garrard-out-for-jaguars-season-finale/)



I wonder who their 300 yard passer will be on Sunday?

It said it would be Trent Edwards, right there in the article...

JB
12-29-2010, 01:10 PM
Take your most of characterization and jump into a bayou. Stick to I don't want...


Thank you!

dream_team
12-29-2010, 01:15 PM
Thank you!

I second that Thank You! I never want to see the Texans lose!

Norg
12-29-2010, 01:16 PM
just means we are going to get get torched by Trent WHo cares

Imatexanfan
12-29-2010, 01:18 PM
Damn so we gotta good chance of winning...smdh...:kubepalm::strangle:

jaayteetx
12-29-2010, 01:21 PM
Take your most of characterization and jump into a bayou. Stick to I don't want...

Is there a bayou in New Mexico? Because clearly the best thing for the future of this team is the best possible draft position. I DO NOT expect the players and coaches to go along with this mind set, I expect and desire them to play to WIN. But does a big part of me want them to lose so we can have a brighter FUTURE? You bet. Basically, Sunday is a no lose proposition for me. Texans win, I'm happy as always, especially since it would knock the Jags outta the playoffs and possibly win me some $. (season long bet with buddy over who gets more wins texans or cards) Texans lose, better draft position, which = win as well.

The1ApplePie
12-29-2010, 01:39 PM
I second that Thank You! I never want to see the Texans lose!

Even if its better for the team and the franchise if they do?

5 or so spots in the draft are a big deal.

CloakNNNdagger
12-29-2010, 01:42 PM
It said it would be Trent Edwards, right there in the article...

I was being fascetious.:)

DonnyMost
12-29-2010, 01:42 PM
I was being fascetious.:)

I wouldn't be surprised if we got a taste of Todd Bouman, too.

m5kwatts
12-29-2010, 01:49 PM
Great now the draft pick will be top 10 instead of top 5.

Grams
12-29-2010, 01:59 PM
Most of us don't want to win...

Speak for yourself.

I never root for my team to lose.

Speedy
12-29-2010, 02:09 PM
Is there a bayou in New Mexico? Because clearly the best thing for the future of this team is the best possible draft position. I DO NOT expect the players and coaches to go along with this mind set, I expect and desire them to play to WIN. But does a big part of me want them to lose so we can have a brighter FUTURE? You bet. Basically, Sunday is a no lose proposition for me. Texans win, I'm happy as always, especially since it would knock the Jags outta the playoffs and possibly win me some $. (season long bet with buddy over who gets more wins texans or cards) Texans lose, better draft position, which = win as well.

That's assuming that the draft pick, wherever he's taken, works out. Just because you have the 5th pick doesn't mean you'll get a better player than the 20th pick, or in the cases of Tom Brady, Terrell Davis, etc. a 6th rounder.

Since nothing is guaranteed, wanting your team to lose for a better draft pick is stupid. It gets you to accept losing, you take on a loser mentality. No thanks. I want none of it.

CloakNNNdagger
12-29-2010, 02:13 PM
Great now the draft pick will be top 10 instead of top 5.

I'll be rooting for the Texans, but don't lose heart, a likely top 5 is still in our future. There will be "hungry" Jag subs that will want to make their mark.

OzzO
12-29-2010, 02:22 PM
Does this mean we finally get a win, and we get to keep our head coach, because beating a 2nd string QB is a step in the right direction for this franchise!?

No, Texans only whup up on 3rd stringers. If it's a 2nd string and RB coach for an interm, we'll jump out to a lead (for the 3rd time this season) but then allow the Jag back in to win in the final minute.

Edit - scratch that. We need to find a new way to lose like we have for 6 or so of the games this year. The Jags will win when they return the Texans final kickoff for a TD.

Pollardized
12-29-2010, 02:34 PM
Speak for yourself.

I never root for my team to lose.

I never root for my team to lose either.


But I have generally accepted losing as a by-product of being a Texans' fan.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 02:35 PM
:rolleyes:

Can we please get past the "if you root for your team to lose, you're less of a fan" mantra, because it's kind of ridiculous in this case. Especially when a loss greatly benefits this team and helps them more then a meaningless win ever would. I haven't rooted for them to lose all season either, but guess what I'm going to do next Sunday? I'm going to root for a loss and I hope they fall flat on their face and not only lose, but lose handedly.

Sorry, but when you have a owner who actively celebrates mediocrity, well he doesn't even deserve a mediocre team. What we have here is a snake oil salesman who comes out in the middle of a losing streak and tries to shove bullcrap down our throats and tell us how we're on the right track when the train already derailed....if a loss helps us to get a new conductor, well guess what I'm going to root for. I sure as hell not going to root for anything that's going to benefit Kubiak or help keep him any longer, that would be kind of stupid.

Here's to a loss on Sunday and the only difference between a 6-10 record and a 5-11 season is crappier draft position, which in the end doesn't benefit my team and right now it's all about the end game...the season is basically already over with

DexmanC
12-29-2010, 02:37 PM
:rolleyes:

Can we please get past the "if you root for your team to lose, you're less of a fan" mantra, because it's kind of ridiculous in this case. Especially when a loss greatly benefits this team and helps them more then a meaningless win ever would. I haven't rooted for them to lose all season, but guess what I'm going to do next Sunday? I'm going to root for a loss and I hope they fall flat on their face and not only lose, but lose handedly.

Sorry, but when you have a owner who actively celebrates mediocrity, well he doesn't even deserve a mediocre team. What we have here is a snake oil salesman who comes out in the middle of a losing streak who tries to shove bullcrap down our throats and tell us how were on the right track when the train already derailed....if a loss helps up to get a new conductor, well guess what I'm going to root for. I sure as hell not going to root for anything that's going to benefit Kubiak or help keep him any longer, that would be kind of stupid.

Here's to a loss on Sunday and the only difference between a 6-10 record and a 5-11 season is crappier draft position, which in the end doesn't benefit my team and right now it's all about the end game...the season is basically already over with

Exactly. This team winning the game does not win a playoff spot, but
loses draft position. One could argue that losing this particular game
is more beneficial for the franchise than winning this particular game.

infantrycak
12-29-2010, 02:41 PM
:rolleyes:

Can we please get past the "if you root for your team to lose, you're less of a fan" mantra, because it's kind of ridiculous in this case. Especially when a loss greatly benefits this team and helps them more then a meaningless win ever would. I haven't rooted for them to lose all season either, but guess what I'm going to do next Sunday? I'm going to root for a loss and I hope they fall flat on their face and not only lose, but lose handedly.

You're introducing who is a bigger fan v. lesser fan. I characterized nobody. I only disagreed with the self-serving "most people are like me" and want the team to lose argument. State your own opinion not that of the self-serving invisible majority who hasn't actually voted. I disagree with you individually in hoping for a loss, big deal. I disagree with his characterization of Texans fans mostly wanting to lose.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 02:41 PM
Exactly. This team winning the game does not win a playoff spot, but
loses draft position. One could argue that losing this particular game
is more beneficial for the franchise than winning this particular game.


It isn't even a argument, a loss is more beneficial for this team and I'm going to root for anything that benefits my team.

Every year I hear people ***** and moan about wanting a game changing DT or "insert random impact defensive player", well guess where guys like that usually go... They go pretty high in the draft.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 02:43 PM
You're introducing who is a bigger fan v. lesser fan. I characterized nobody. I only disagreed with the self-serving "most people are like me" and want the team to lose argument. State your own opinion not that of the self-serving invisible majority who hasn't actually voted. I disagree with you individually in hoping for a loss, big deal. I disagree with his characterization of Texans fans mostly wanting to lose.

I wasn't even talking about you....I'm talking about the mindset anytime somebody brings up how a loss helps this team in threads like this one. In other threads posters have pretty much been told how they aren't true fans, because they bring up the fact that a loss helps this team more than a win would.

Speedy
12-29-2010, 03:04 PM
Especially when a loss greatly benefits this team and helps them more then a meaningless win ever wouldExactly. This team winning the game does not win a playoff spot, but
loses draft position. One could argue that losing this particular game
is more beneficial for the franchise than winning this particular game.

Again, you're assuming a lower draft pick results in a better player than a higher draft pick. Case after case after case proves that drafts picks are a roll of the dice. Greatly benefits the team? Not even close.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 03:08 PM
Again, you're assuming a lower draft pick results in a better player than a higher draft pick. Case after case after case proves that drafts picks are a roll of the dice. Greatly benefits the team? Not even close.

:kubepalm:

Yes, you can get steals in the draft and better players go later all the time, but that doesn't change the fact that higher picks have more value and star players generally tend to go high in the draft more often than not.

Hell with this mindset we might as well trade out of the first round every year, because franchise QBs like Tom Brady go in the 6th round.

m5kwatts
12-29-2010, 04:05 PM
Jones-Drew will be out for Sunday's game too and it also sounds like he needs pretty serious knee surgery. Score one for Kubes, looks like he's keeping his job after we blow out the Jags.

Last friday I reported MJD out for sunday's game. Now reporting Jones' knee hasn't improved and barring miraculous turnaround OUT sunday.

Jones needs surgery on the knee but is holding off to see if they make the playoffs first. Tough dude

twitter.com/jay_glazer

beerlover
12-29-2010, 04:09 PM
then it should be easy......... :)

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 04:12 PM
Jones-Drew will be out for Sunday's game too and it also sounds like he needs pretty serious knee surgery. Score one for Kubes, looks like he's keeping his job after we blow out the Jags.





twitter.com/jay_glazer

This means nothing, Garrard wasn't a world beater and Edwards has started in this league before...hell we just lost to a rookie QB who was only allowed to throw screen passes. As far as MJD being out, Rashad Jennings is no joke. He has talent and can get the job done. I'm still highly confident in this team's ability to go out there and pull out a loss.

NitroGSXR
12-29-2010, 04:44 PM
This could backfire on JDR. Resting your starters for the playoffs is usually a double-edged sword.

:)

J_R
12-29-2010, 04:48 PM
This could backfire on JDR. Resting your starters for the playoffs is usually a double-edged sword.

:)

Not in the playoffs yet though



You missed the humngous slap in the face to the Texans. We all know they are fighting for their postseason lives and yet...


Gotchya

NitroGSXR
12-29-2010, 05:13 PM
Not in the playoffs yet though

You missed the humngous slap in the face to the Texans. We all know they are fighting for their postseason lives and yet...

The1ApplePie
12-29-2010, 06:36 PM
Again, you're assuming a lower draft pick results in a better player than a higher draft pick. Case after case after case proves that drafts picks are a roll of the dice. Greatly benefits the team? Not even close.

So you would have taken beating the 49ers in 2005 over Mario Williams?

That win over the Browns in 2006 that cost the Texans Adrian Peterson was a great one too

m5kwatts
12-29-2010, 06:51 PM
This means nothing, Garrard wasn't a world beater and Edwards has started in this league before...hell we just lost to a rookie QB who was only allowed to throw screen passes. As far as MJD being out, Rashad Jennings is no joke. He has talent and can get the job done. I'm still highly confident in this team's ability to go out there and pull out a loss.

Lol. Jennings wasn't too hot when he was the bell-cow back last week. Edwards is too shy to throw deep and really exploit the Texans where they're weakest. That's a recipe for an end-the-year-on-a-good-note-and-give-McNair-false-hope-yet-again kind of game.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 07:05 PM
Lol. Jennings wasn't too hot when he was the bell-cow back last week. Edwards is too shy to throw deep and really exploit the Texans where they're weakest. That's a recipe for an end-the-year-on-a-good-note-and-give-McNair-false-hope-yet-again kind of game.

So we should write him off after one bad game...Jennings can make plays and has made plenty of plays when given carries.

I also don't care how shy Edwards is, we're talking about one of the worst defenses in NFL history...Tebow didn't have to throw the ball down field to beat us last week and I doubt Edwards will have to in order to beat us this week. I see Edwards coming in here and carving us up, because that's just the Texan way....letting some NFL cast off backup pull their pants down and have his way with them.

False Start
12-29-2010, 07:06 PM
I'll be rooting for the Texans to win. As a few others have said, I never want my team to lose. If they lose, I'll be pissed, but not irate.

texansdrummer
12-29-2010, 07:08 PM
take your most of characterization and jump into a bayou. Stick to i don't want...

+ 1

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 07:10 PM
I'll be rooting for the Texans to win. As a few others have said, I never want my team to lose. If they lose, I'll be pissed, but not irate.

I don't even get mad anymore. I'm numb and desensitized to epic failures (which is what next week with be if we lose to a banged up Jags team).

I swear this team has given me PTSD :kubepalm:

False Start
12-29-2010, 07:32 PM
I don't even get mad anymore. I'm numb and desensitized to epic failures (which is what next week with be if we lose to a banged up Jags team).

I swear this team has given me PTSD :kubepalm:

Lol. Yeah, I dont really get super pissed, I jut get aggravated. I'll be agged for about 20 minutes, then I go about my day. Earlier in the season though it was a whole different story, lol. Losing sucks, and this year has just been so disappointing. :kubepalm: :(

TheMatrix31
12-29-2010, 07:52 PM
Helping knock Jacksoffville out of the playoffs is a small consolation prize for me.

I never root for my teams to lose.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 07:54 PM
Helping knock Jacksoffville out of the playoffs is a small consolation prize for me.

I never root for my teams to lose.

The Colts will eliminate them regardless of what we do... They eliminated themselves when they lost to the Redskins.

ThaShark316
12-29-2010, 07:56 PM
The Colts will eliminate them regardless of what we do... They eliminated themselves when they lost to the Colts.

Fixed.

NitroGSXR
12-29-2010, 07:59 PM
Helping knock Jacksoffville out of the playoffs is a small consolation prize for me.

I never root for my teams to lose.

Yup. I want to be the hammer that drives the nail in their coffin.

Carr Bombed
12-29-2010, 08:05 PM
Fixed.

True enough..


Even if we beat the Jags, when they think back on what caused them to miss the playoffs (unless the Colts lose) they won't be sitting there and saying "Gee that Texans loss really killed us". They'll think back to the loss against Washington and the loss to the Colts.

Jagsbch
12-29-2010, 08:19 PM
Did he vye for a surgery that he waited for prior to playing washington last week so as not to be forced to follow up Tebows Come from behind performance against the spoiler texans? My finger hurts... LMAO:mariopalm:

Maddict5
12-29-2010, 08:27 PM
True enough..


Even if we beat the Jags, when they think back on what caused them to miss the playoffs (unless the Colts lose) they won't be sitting there and saying "Gee that Texans loss really killed us". They'll think back to the loss against Washington and the loss to the Colts.

the redskins loss was pointless also fyi. they were already behind the colts before that game

mootini
12-30-2010, 08:13 AM
the redskins loss was pointless also fyi. they were already behind the colts before that game

True, the Redskin game was pointless, if they won or lost. Also, the lost to the Redskins is non divisional game, so did not matter. Besides, the Colts still won vs. Raiders. The two games that haunt the Jags this season, the 4th quarter collaps vs. Giants and the Colts game. Piss poor coaching cost us on both. Simple Jack for 8 years and counting.

cuppacoffee
12-30-2010, 01:47 PM
So you would have taken beating the 49ers in 2005 over Mario Williams?

That win over the Browns in 2006 that cost the Texans Adrian Peterson was a great one too



Well........I would take Devin McCourty over our what's his name? #1 draft pick at cb.

Works both ways.

Speedy
12-30-2010, 10:28 PM
So you would have taken beating the 49ers in 2005 over Mario Williams?

That win over the Browns in 2006 that cost the Texans Adrian Peterson was a great one too

Easy to say all of that after you've watched them play a few years. AP could have been another Ki-Jana Carter. You never know. Hell, Arian Foster wasn't even drafted and he might win the damn rushing title.

Yeah, just look at those top picks in '06. Hell, I'd rather have Ngata at 12 than Mario at 1.

My point is, wanting the team to lose so they can get a better draft pick isn't a guarantee that they'll get a better player if they were to win and draft later.

A 1st rounder doesn't guarantee you anything, a top 5 pick doesn't guarantee you anything, hell, a #1 pick doesn't guarantee you anything.

Terence Newman at 5 or Troy Polamalu at 16? Should the Steelers have gone ahead and thrown a couple of games so they could have gotten Marcus Trufant who went 4 picks ahead of Polamalu instead?

You just never know and therefore rooting for your team to lose just doesn't make much sense.

Wolf
12-31-2010, 09:56 AM
wouldn't matter if David is in or not, it is in the Texans blood to ruin the Jags season.