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GP
12-17-2010, 11:53 AM
Mr. Bob McNair;

Enclosed, you will find my Texans gear.

I have posted your statements, below, and would like to comment on your remarks:

"I was just sort of overwhelmed by the comments that our competitors had to say about our team, because it had never happened before like this," McNair said. "They were all, frankly, pulling for us after the way we came back... They just said it was just one of the most impressive comebacks they had ever seen. What was interesting was they didn't talk about the overtime. They didn't talk about the interception. All they could talk about was the comeback. They could just not believe it.

MY REMARKS: It wasn’t a comeback. It was a loss. A comeback is something like the Bills coming back from 35-3 to then actually beat the Oilers in the playoffs. When Matt Schaub runs the 2-minute offense, Gary Kubiak has said that the control is in Schaub’s hands. Look at what happened: We attempted a comeback, and almost sealed it completely. In Overtime, who picks up the reins of the offense and tells Schaub what plays to run? That’s right: Kubiak and/or Dennison. And what happened? Pick 6 for a TD. Backed up against our own goal line, we do not RUN the ball. Nope. Can’t do that, not with the leagues best running back and dare I say one of the best run blocking schemes of the whole league. Instead, we even empty the backfield on one play and this tells the Ravens exactly what to expect: A PASS. This is absolutely putrid, in my opinion. What other coach would do this, in the NFL, after having been a head coach for 5 years and having been an offensive coordinator prior to that? Having also been an NFL QB prior to THAT. Our QB, Matt Schaub, is better at running this team on game day than his highly-esteemed coach.

"The level of respect that they have for our team and how close they think we are to really being not just a good team but an outstanding team, it was nice to hear your peer group say that about you. So I just wanted the team to know how close not only we think they are, but how close our competitors think they are, to being an outstanding team.”

MY REMARKS: People just love that we put ourselves in a deep hole (like we do almost EVERY game, by the way) and they thought it was so gosh-darn awesome that we made a “comeback.” I guess this world has become so namby-pamby that a failed comeback (after having spotted the Ravens an entire two quarters of football to start the game off) is regarded so highly now. I was under the impression that the measuring stick was (a) wins, and (b) enough wins to actually, you know, WIN the game and go to the playoffs. Your comments enrage me to no end. You are the team’s owner, and your public statements have been nothing but limp noodles and lollipops. How does that translate to the product we see on the field? Well, they TOO are a bunch of limp noodles and lollipops. It trickles down, I suppose.

McNair was asked if all the positive remarks from other owners would have an effect on Texans coach Gary Kubiak's future with the team.

MY REMARKS: Of course it won’t impact anything. You’ve already decided, as represented by your publicly made comments outlined here, that you think “we’re on the right track.” Unless this is all some sort of code language you’re using. At this point, who the Hell knows if what you say IS or IS NOT the truth anymore? You had said, prior to this season, that “Playoffs will be the expectation,” but maybe you have a different meaning for the word playoffs than I do. I had assumed that after four steady years of “being on the right track” that we’d actually have some accountability going into year 5. Guess not. I suppose “the right track” is a matter of semantics. I guess it’s all subjective.

"I think what it does, it's sort of an affirmation that we're on the right track," McNair said. "Clearly, we have to do better, because what we've done wasn't good enough. But (it affirms) that we're on the right track, and I've felt that way all along.

"We'll review everything at the end of the year, and will we make some changes? I'm sure we will make some -- we'll see some things that need to be improved. But we're very, very close to having the kind of team I think that we can all be proud of, and we just have to keep working hard and push it over the top. I think we're close."

MY REMARKS: Your changes are at a glacial pace. While I appreciate the theory of glacial change, as it pertains to some organizational cultures, I think you’re failing to understand that the NFL is a sports league which has the fewest games in a season: 16 games. Frankly, there has been enough change, spread out over a period of over 5 years, to have a large enough sampling size to understand if what you have is really working or if it is failing to produce the desired results. This is, of course, if we are indeed talking the same language and not some “code language” that we have had to decipher while reading your comments in various sports news stories about “our team.” But I digress…we’re not close, Mr. McNair. We’re not hand-grenade close, and we’re not horseshoe close either. And last time I check, being close only counts in those two games. It doesn’t count in the NFL.

I congratulate you on running a very professional and respectable franchise, but I cannot applaud you for the actual reason all of us are football fans in the first place: To (a) win games, and to (b) win enough games to get into the playoffs and enter The Great Race for a championship. We will not see the playoffs this year, nor will we see them next year if Gary Kubiak is the head coach for this team. The man [Kubiak] can’t even watch critical, crucial plays as they transpire on the field for crying out loud! While this does not mean he’s a bad coach, it is at least a visual commentary on how the man operates and what message he sends to his team: “We’re probably going to lose, so I can’t stand to watch.” I sit and watch other head coaches in the league on Sundays, and I see them STARING headlong into the action during a game-deciding play. They aren’t looking away. They’re EMBRACING the moment. They fully expect their “kids” to push through and deliver in the game-deciding moment. Our guy? Nope. Psychology is such a huge part of this game, and it’s why men like Lombardi succeeded. I don’t want to see what “changes” are coming ‘round the bend after this season. I doubt those changes will be anything more than minor, non-eventful changes having no substantial impact on the state of this team. This team has hit a definite wall. Not a figurative wall. A literal wall.

The Texans have set an NFL record this season by becoming the first team in league history to come back from a deficit of at least 14 points to take the lead or tie, only to end up losing, in four games.

MY REMARKS: Do you know how sad this statistic is? It’s not something to be proud of, Mr. McNair. It is nothing to embrace for the future. It means we start slow, then have to run like Hell juuuust to get a shot at winning. Opposing teams only have to buckle in and hold on until the last few minutes of the game…because our team will find a way to crater and give the game away. Honestly, we didn’t even deserve to have “come back” in those games. When sad patterns are the norm, there is a monumental problem staring you right in the face. Sometimes, the common denominator of all our problems is ourselves. There is a flawed mentality engrained within this team, and it has become a tradition that fleshes itself out on the field. I look at that stat, Mr. McNair, and it doesn’t encourage me that we are “on the right track.” To the contrary, it tells me many things that do not include the word “right.” If this is your way of finding solace in misery, then please keep your remarks to yourself. The fans of this team were patient and trusting during the Capers era. We then began to see small victories in the early years of the Kubiak era. Now? The improvements have ceased. There’s regression in many areas, and it’s too many to list at this time. You are at the “stagnation” level in the Product Life Cycle. Next comes either “Re-invention” or “Decline and Death.” I surely think you to be a better businessman than what I read in the funny papers. Surely you would choose “Re-invention” and would therefore desire to begin the Product Life Cycle anew again?

Each of those four losses has come during a 1-6 skid that has dropped the Texans' record from 4-2 to 5-8, which has all but ended their hopes of making the playoffs for the first time in team history.

MY REMARKS: This has become the life of a dedicated Texans fan: Wondering at which point in the season do we hit that magical skid that ends our hopes of playoffs? I don’t think I need to elaborate here.

"It's a killer," McNair said. "I hurt more than anybody. To see that we're so close to being where we want to be and then to be denied is just very disheartening. But you know, it's like life. I mean, does everything work out in your life? I doubt it. You don't quit, do you? No, you just suck it up and go on. And that's what you have to do. That's one reason this game is such a great reflection of life. It's what we face every day. And our fans, I feel their frustration and what have you. I get letters. I write them all back and tell them, 'Hey, I'm just as frustrated as you are.' But nobody wants to win more than I do, or Gary. I'll tell you that."

MY REMARKS: I wonder if you will really read my letter. You say you write them back. If you write me back, please do not re-issue the same standard, status-quo Public Relations hoopla that you use with everyone else. I know my letter is harshly worded. It drips with sarcasm. It isn’t a very nice letter. But it’s brutally honest about what I feel. And I am not alone. There are others like me. We’re depressed. We’re discouraged. The one hope we have is that the owner [You] will awaken and realize that it’s not a bad thing to start a new day at Reliant. I understand the looming lockout in 2011. I understand you have Kubiak under contract through 2011. It just feels like you’re already conceding 2011 and that nothing can happen until 2012.

Put yourself in this fan’s shoes for a second. How do I stick with you for that long? I have this patience for my spouse, naturally, because my marriage is a covenant representative of the covenant shared between Jesus and anyone who has accepted Him as being Who He claims to be. But to extend this same sort of arrangement (the emotional aspects, obviously!) to you, for another year, to just sit and watch and wonder how things will evolve? No thanks. I can’t do it. I’ve seen this movie before. I’ve seen it 80 times over the course of the past 5 years. And I won’t watch it one more time.

When you decide to put out a new offering, only then am I watching the Texans. I am canceling my subscription to NFL SundayTicket. I almost made it to 10 straight years of paying hundred of dollars every year, since my local market doesn’t want to carry this team who is “on the right track,” according to some. Did you know that in Amarillo, TX, the local CBS station won’t even carry Texans games and hasn’t for its entire existence? Oh sure, they carry the first game or two of the season, but after that the national director forces them to exhibit the best matchup of the week. The FOX affiliate carries every single Dallas Cowboys game all season long, even if they are worse than the Texans. But the Amarillo, TX local CBS affiliate? Nope. We’re nothing. We’re a joke. We’re the sad sack in the room who needs others to come give us a hug, such as the Ravens linebacker Suggs did to Matt Schaub Monday night. Such as these other men did to you at the owners meetings. “Hey, pal. Come here. Need a hug?”

Seriously, I think you are either talking “in code language” or you are serious about how good you feel about this team right now. Either way, the tone and the ideology you are displaying is disturbing to the average football fan. Again, I love your honorable character. I love that this team is respectable. Those players deserve more than to be consoled after losses, Mr. McNair. They need more than that. They deserve more than that. Pep talks and hugs will not cut it, though.

One of McNair's primary messages to the players on Thursday was the same thing that Kubiak and his staff have been reinforcing: To step up and make plays in crunch time. Kubiak said that McNair told him before practice that he would like to address the team.

"I think it's good," Kubiak said. "Our guys know how much he cares about them. He's out here at practice all the time. He's in the locker room. He's very active from that standpoint with this football team and he doesn't say a whole lot, and when he does speak, people pay attention."

MY REMARKS: I was a kid when the Oilers left Houston. I did not live in Houston. Never have. Have always lived up here in the Texas panhandle. My father was, and still is, a Cowboys fan. As a kid, I wanted to go my own way and be a fan of a different team. Well, back then it was CBS who was showing the NFC games every week. Therefore, my dad was watching Cowboys games on the living room television. I had a little black and white TV, not much bigger than 15 inches I think. So I sat back in my room, on Sundays, and flipped the channel until I got to the NBC station. Lubbock, TX NBC affiliate would show every single Houston Oilers game, no matter how good or bad they were every season. It was there, as a kid, watching a little 15-inch black & white TV back in my own bedroom, that I feel in love with the Oilers. I could watch “my team” play. And I could root for them. I could celebrate with them. I could hang my head and be disappointed with them.

After the crushing loss to the Bills in the playoffs, I asked my parents if they could keep me home from school the next day. I was THAT depressed. My friends at school laughed at me for weeks, but it didn’t hurt me. Never made a dent. I never stopped following the Oilers. As you said, it was representative of “life,” and we just pick ourselves up off the ground and move forward from there.

continued on next post....

GP
12-17-2010, 11:54 AM
continued....

When the Oilers left Houston, I stopped watching NFL football altogether. There was no point. And then you brought a team back to Houston to finish some business for us Oilers fans. I’ve seen some improvement in this team, it’s indisputable I admit. But this is “life,” as you say. And in life, we grow up. We stop being the little kid who cries when his team blows a 35-3 lead in the playoffs (with having been the best team in the NFL that year). We grow up, and we learnt hat some things in life are not worthy of our time, energy, and money. I will now be spending my money on other forms of entertainment. My disposable income is not small. It’s not large. It’s in-between. But it’s mine. And I have given it to the Texans for almost a decade. Until today. Now, I will be canceling my subscription to NFL SundayTicket when it comes up for renewal in the spring.

I give you my Texans gear (donate it to needy children) as a symbolic token of how I feel about your inability to hold people truly 100% accountable to the standards you said you laid before them prior to the season. I can no longer trust what you say. I can only trust what I see from you. And because I continue to see the same futile efforts by the same team, every weekend, I have come to learn that I need to excuse myself from the party until the scenery has changed and I can sense that the Texans franchise seriously wants to settle some old scores that began the day when the Oilers left Houston. Thank you for bringing professional football back to Houston, Mr. McNair, but I cannot thank you for the events that have transpired this season (and which you say will surely continue into the next season, by virtue of the rule of “insanity” which is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results each time).

Thank you, also, if you indeed did read this letter and can see that this fan is serious about these Texans. I will someday be able to watch and follow the Texans when the third head coach in Texans franchise history makes his debut.

Blake
12-17-2010, 12:03 PM
Good read. What all gear did you send him?

False Start
12-17-2010, 12:19 PM
The only thing I differ with is watching the games. As bad as they have been throughout their existence, I just cant bring myself to not watch the games. Even if I had to pay for Sunday Ticket, I would still shell out the dollars.

I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment , lol. :kubepalm:

Other than that, good stuff bud. :jam:

GuerillaBlack
12-17-2010, 12:20 PM
What are the chances he actually reads that, or someone close to him does? Good letter.

CretorFrigg
12-17-2010, 12:23 PM
Where do we send him a letter? Let's all bombard him with letters. I don't think he realizes how disappointed the Texans fanbase is right now. The Texans entertain, yes. But they're disappointing. It seems like McNair is only in it for entertainment and not the Lombardi Trophy.

We won't settle for mediocrity, McNair. If being on the right track means mediocrity, then, yes, I guess we are on the right track.

NitroGSXR
12-17-2010, 12:27 PM
*clack clack* *form letter addressed to Texans fan* *clack clack*

I'm taking 4-1 odds that you get an autographed picture of the McNair family christmas.

GNTLEWOLF
12-17-2010, 12:31 PM
I wish this would start a massive letter writing campaign where angry fans would send letters like this along with Texans gear and tickets or PSL's.
However, I'm still not sure it would make any difference, because Mcnair is like the sunshine club...He still sees nothing wrong with Kubiak as a coach in year five of this thing. I have often said," If you want to know how McNair feels about Kubiak; what he is thinking, just read what the Kubiak sunshiners are writing and you will see how McNair is interpreting the situation." It is difficult to believe that anyone is so blind that they can not see this for what it is, but people still don't get it.

jshabang
12-17-2010, 12:40 PM
point ON GP........hope that he actually gets a wiff of it.....becuz this si getting very frustrating


my thing about mcnair that bothered me the most in his press conference...were the words......"we are so close".....close to what exactly???????


we are 5-8....what are we close to????....top ten pick in the draft?.......im lost

your team finished 9-7 last year and wont this year......meaning we digressed big time....i wouldnt call that we are close....I would say we got worse

houstonspartan
12-17-2010, 12:43 PM
Instead of a letter, I'm thinking of sending an email to his executive assistant. Even if she doesn't foward it to him, she will read it, and will give him an idea of the fans thinking.

DexmanC
12-17-2010, 12:44 PM
Instead of a letter, I'm thinking of sending an email to his executive assistant. Even if she doesn't foward it to him, she will read it, and will give him an idea of the fans thinking.

Good thinkin'

We all know how addicted women are to emails. It will DEFINITELY
be read.

False Start
12-17-2010, 12:50 PM
Where do we send him a letter? Let's all bombard him with letters. I don't think he realizes how disappointed the Texans fanbase is right now. The Texans entertain, yes. But they're disappointing. It seems like McNair is only in it for entertainment and not the Lombardi Trophy.

We won't settle for mediocrity, McNair. If being on the right track means mediocrity, then, yes, I guess we are on the right track.

That would be great. :cool:

You might get one of these back though:

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/3320/returntosender.jpg

:shades:

Second Honeymoon
12-17-2010, 01:26 PM
Great read, GP
McNair should thank his lucky stars that he has fans like you. Too bad he is going to lose you as a fan.

This organization is no better than the Royals, Clippers or Lions. Just another losingfranchise whose only concern is perpetuating a culture of malaise andof course chasing the almighty dollar

Me and my bro are picketing the JVille game. We will be meeting at the Holiday Inn hotel bar next to Reliant around 10. Were thinkingofpicketing one of the Kirby street corners or maybe one ofthe street medians on Kirbyright bythe West entrance

Any ideas for pickets?
All I got so far is
Cowher Power
Fire Kubiak
It's on you, Kubiak
And
Fire Bob McNair
If anybody is interested send a PM

rmartin65
12-17-2010, 01:33 PM
Excellent letter. I really hope he reads it, as it is truly a measure of how many fans feel. You executed it perfectly, you were polite, but definitely got your point across. I hope he reads it, and does something about it.

HoustonFrog
12-17-2010, 01:36 PM
GREAT work GP.

I put this in the other thread but will repost here what I wrote there.

I'm going to totally embarrass myself...nothing new...because this letter is so over the top and full of venom but I wrote it up and sent it. Alot of it was how I felt and what I was seeing here. Many may be like "why would a Cowboy fan who is barely here care so much?" Because it is frustrating to live somewhere and want to support local teams also and feel complete apathy because of how they are run...anyways...this will get nothing accomplished really but I like the exercise of writing it out.

Dear Mr. McNair,

I don't think I've ever been so frustrated. I just read the quotes from your talk to the team and I'm floored that you are still acting like the team is so close to being a great team. One part stood out to me. You said:

"I was just sort of overwhelmed by the comments that our competitors had to
say about our team, because it had never happened before like this," McNair
said. "They were all, frankly, pulling for us after the way we came back... They
just said it was just one of the most impressive comebacks they had ever seen.
What was interesting was they didn't talk about the overtime. They didn't talk
about the interception. All they could talk about was the comeback. They could
just not believe it."

That quote right there is a losers mentality. It's embarrassing. You guys run a franchise with a losers mentality. You might as well be the Houston Lions. Who cares how great a comeback that was or how impressive it was when the reality is you had to comeback because the team came out, AGAIN, unprepared. The reality is that no one counts comebacks that result in losses. The coach didn't have them ready to play. Being down by double digits has happened in 9 of the 13 games. That is coaching.

What I don't get is that you are this Billionaire businessman yet you won't learn from simple lessons. David Carr was a mess. All of the fans knew it, the media knew it and some players knew it. You gave him an extension and he was gone in a year. Now you are doing the same thing with Kubiak, despite proving every year that he is incapable of being a top head coach. For the last 3 years he has blown timeouts, blown challenges that wasted timeouts and had the team ill-prepared for stretches at a time. Every coach tenured from the year Kubiak was hired has made the playoffs. Multiple coaches that were hired in years after his hiring have made the playoffs. It is a joke.

What is blinding you?Is it the nice guy thing that had you with Carr? Seriously, he hired the defensive coordinator that is horrible. He brought in the players that aren't getting it done. The other owners are telling you great job because they are laughing and know that you will be no better than 8-8 again next year with Kubiak around. It is one less playoff spot they have to worry about. What else are they going to tell you? The guy makes the same mistakes over and over and year after year and you just sit there and blame it on other things. He is the one constant that isn't getting it done and never will get it done.

Do me a favor Mr. McNair. Go to the Texans message board, Texans Talk. Read the threads. Read the fans. People are over it. They are over you allowing this. They don't want this anymore. They think you don't care and just are happy to make money off them. Set aside a few hours and read. You are losing your fans in a massive way by keeping Kubiak. (Now as an aside I don't know who is truly over it, etc but I was on a roll and peeved. I'm also sure he doesn't have 3 hours of his day to surf this site...but it was for effect :))

Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This team has pulled this act for 4 years straight now. The same modus operandi. The same way to lose games. The same unpreparedness. Yet because of some failed comebacks and because of a few late wins against teams that have laid down you allow the insanity to continue.

Please stop the joke. You are 3 games from losing A LOT of fans next year unless Gary is gone. Go get a winner.

Sincerely

Surreal McCoy
12-17-2010, 01:40 PM
I wish this would start a massive letter writing campaign where angry fans would send letters like this along with Texans gear and tickets or PSL's.



Yeah! More anger!!! We need that :yes: Happy Christmas everyone!!!!

Texanator
12-17-2010, 01:56 PM
Great letter GP, way to go!
Sadly however, McNair ain't gonna change a thing until the seats are empty at Reliant. Until he actually feels our frustration in his wallet, he will continue on as he has. NOBODY wants our team to do better than I do, but dang it is hard to keep eating crow every week. I'm starting to feel like a jackass with a carrot tied on a stick, just out of reach, but I continue to try to get that bit of happiness.

Dutchrudder
12-17-2010, 02:12 PM
This reminds me of a story about A&M from way back. During the 60's, when the school first let women and minorities in, many of the former students were very upset about it. President Earl Rudder's office received several torn up degrees and A&M class rings in the mail as a protest to the idea of letting women and/or minorities in. Pretty crazy, but I think it really makes a statement. Send in your jersey, hat, PSL renewal letter, etc. I think the point will get across.

gtexan02
12-17-2010, 02:27 PM
I hope "Gear" didn't include any Texans boxers or the like. I dont know how well anyone would respond to receiving dirty laundry in the mail.

houstonspartan
12-17-2010, 03:07 PM
This reminds me of a story about A&M from way back. During the 60's, when the school first let women and minorities in, many of the former students were very upset about it. President Earl Rudder's office received several torn up degrees and A&M class rings in the mail as a protest to the idea of letting women and/or minorities in. Pretty crazy, but I think it really makes a statement. Send in your jersey, hat, PSL renewal letter, etc. I think the point will get across.

Yeah, but your analogy is a bit off. Those people were on the wrong side of history, and, clearly, A&M eventually let women and minorities in. It's not like the president changed his mind.

I do see your overall point, however. Letter-writing can work.

brakos82
12-17-2010, 03:12 PM
I hope "Gear" didn't include any Texans boxers or the like. I dont know how well anyone would respond to receiving dirty laundry in the mail.

Well it would be symbolic. :kitten:

GNTLEWOLF
12-17-2010, 03:15 PM
Yeah! More anger!!! We need that :yes: Happy Christmas everyone!!!!

(1) Why aren't you upset about the way this team performs?
(2) You don't think the fans that are upset (angry) should write a letter to the owner expressing that and telling him why? I mean if you buy a buy a bad product somewhere or get bad service at a restaurant don't you tell the management or write a letter to people running the company. Have you never written a letter to the president of the US expressing your outrage over something that the government has done to curtail your fredoms as a citizen or to put their hands deeper into your pockets? In a way it is the same thing here. Bob needs to know there are many of fans that have supported his product and ben patient in the past that are no longer gonna just sit iddly by and watch this loser circus repeat itself. He neds to know and understand that more and more of the people who line his pockets are about at the end of doing that.
(3) It's not more angry fans it is the ones who are already that way just telling Uncle Bob why.

grinch1134
12-17-2010, 03:24 PM
This reminds me, I have to get my letters to Santa out, even if he won't read them either.

Anyone willing to give up gear can send it to my place and rest assured it won't be tossed away.

BetaV1
12-17-2010, 04:13 PM
I got a great idea! Instead of sending all your Texans gear to McNair, you can send it to me. :)

b0ng
12-17-2010, 04:36 PM
http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss130/eggplanticus/golf-clap.jpg

Goatcheese
12-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Official reply from Bob McNair:

Thanks for the hat!

http://cbskiltam.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/bob-mcnair.jpg?w=192&h=300

As for your letter TL;DR but I'm sure you love Gary as much as I do so enjoy this picture of Kubes telling people how it is:

http://culturemap.com/site_media/uploads/photos/2010-08-22/gary_kubiak.263w_350h.jpg

"I am of mixed opinion on your tackling attempts. Let this look on my face be a message to you that I would prefer you showed more effort!"

Kulluminatii
12-17-2010, 04:39 PM
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID514/images/OAKLAND-RAIDERS-BILLBOARD.jpg

Maybe you guys could do something similar?

I really like that Einstein quote: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Put that up in Texans colors or something and it could really get the message across. We were lucky, the billboard cost us a bit less since the owner was a Raiders fan. If I remember correctly, it cost around $5,000. No idea how expensive one would be in Houston, but I'm pretty sure the Bay Area is one of the priciest places around.

Al Davis is one stubborn SOB, and while he didn't hire a GM...I am 100% sure he got some help in the 2010 draft.

b0ng
12-17-2010, 04:43 PM
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID514/images/OAKLAND-RAIDERS-BILLBOARD.jpg

Maybe you guys could do something similar?

I really like that Einstein quote: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Put that up in Texans colors or something and it could really get the message across. We were lucky, the billboard cost us a bit less since the owner was a Raiders fan. If I remember correctly, it cost around $5,000. No idea how expensive one would be in Houston, but I'm pretty sure the Bay Area is one of the priciest places around.

Al Davis is one stubborn SOB, and while he didn't hire a GM...I am 100% sure he got some help in the 2010 draft.

Maybe Cable threatened to knock his dentures out if he picked another DHB?

Kulluminatii
12-17-2010, 04:48 PM
Maybe Cable threatened to knock his dentures out if he picked another DHB?

:spit:

Maybe. All I know is no way in hell Davis made those draft decisions by himself. Everyone expected us to take Bruce Campbell in the 1st and we ended up getting him in the 4th. This draft wasn't typical Al at all. He also got rid of JaMarcus, got Campbell, and picked up Hue Jackson. I've been hearing rumors that he is in really bad shape right now, so maybe that has more to do with his recent decisions than our billboard.

Surreal McCoy
12-17-2010, 05:03 PM
(1) Why aren't you upset about the way this team performs?
(2) You don't think the fans that are upset (angry) should write a letter to the owner expressing that and telling him why? I mean if you buy a buy a bad product somewhere or get bad service at a restaurant don't you tell the management or write a letter to people running the company. Have you never written a letter to the president of the US expressing your outrage over something that the government has done to curtail your fredoms as a citizen or to put their hands deeper into your pockets? In a way it is the same thing here. Bob needs to know there are many of fans that have supported his product and ben patient in the past that are no longer gonna just sit iddly by and watch this loser circus repeat itself. He neds to know and understand that more and more of the people who line his pockets are about at the end of doing that.
(3) It's not more angry fans it is the ones who are already that way just telling Uncle Bob why.

1. I am upset the Texans are cack (again) but angry? Life too short to be angry about a sports team that I (or you) have no control over.

2. I think writing letters is great, in fact I encourage it. I would more encourage to people to really show the strength of their convictions and not renew their PSLs/Season Tickets if they feel this aggrieved. In fact, I would encourage not buying, watching, or participating in anything Texans related at all if you're really that angry.

3. It was a joke. Do you really think the world, in general, needs more anger, about anything?

wildroot
12-17-2010, 05:54 PM
i'm taking 4-1 odds that you get an autographed picture of the mcnair family christmas.

roflmaf!!!!!

CloakNNNdagger
12-17-2010, 06:42 PM
Great Letter, GP. Must spread the rep.

I hope that it does find McNair's ear and he finds it fit to take heed that Texans fans are as serious about doing something, if he is willing to do nothing.:texflag:

imatexan
12-17-2010, 07:34 PM
There is a fine line between being a concerned fan and not being a fan at all.

I don't really care if I get blasted for this because I am sure I will. That does not mean that it was not a very well thought out letter with many facts and good points. In the end though it is if you want to stay with this team because you enjoy getting to watch a team you can call yours on Sunday, you can call me crazy but as long as the Texans are in Houston I will be a fan.
Not because I want to give the NFL more money or Bob more money but because despite the heartbreaks and misery I would not trade it. I love football in general, I love NFL football, and I love the Texans. I love Reliant stadium, I love the tailgating, I love gameday.
I would NEVER trade in my gear because when I say I am a fan as in fanatic, I mean it. In a lot of ways I am sure it is not good and unhealthy but it is something that will never change. Even if the Texans are 0-16 I would still wear my Jersey proudly just because for some reason I still would want people to know I am a Texans fan.

I understand why a fan would do this but I could never bring myself to abandon the team, it would bring more pain not satisfaction.

devo-x
12-17-2010, 07:57 PM
Amazing - Kubiak's fan rating dropped from 88% (Week 1) to 21% (Week 14) per http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=56

False Start
12-17-2010, 08:13 PM
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID514/images/OAKLAND-RAIDERS-BILLBOARD.jpg

Maybe you guys could do something similar?

I really like that Einstein quote: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Put that up in Texans colors or something and it could really get the message across. We were lucky, the billboard cost us a bit less since the owner was a Raiders fan. If I remember correctly, it cost around $5,000. No idea how expensive one would be in Houston, but I'm pretty sure the Bay Area is one of the priciest places around.

Al Davis is one stubborn SOB, and while he didn't hire a GM...I am 100% sure he got some help in the 2010 draft.


I think it would be a good idea, just to let the Texans know this shit is getting old. I just don't know if enough folks would be behind something like this. I would. :cool:

I love my team and all, and will support them till the end. After the Oiler years, I want the team to make the playoffs on a regular basis, and throw a ring in there along the way, lol.

The Astros had a successful run, made the playoffs often, and even though they lost the WS, at least they finally made it .

The Rockets had their run, and won the damn thing! Twice!

Now its time for football success in this town.

This city will support a winner, and are some of the best fans in sports during good times, but start losing, and they are quick to stop going to games. I'm far from one of those people, but there is a large percentage of those type of sports fans in Houston.

Texecutioner
12-17-2010, 11:39 PM
I'll be getting my letter together as well. It will be similar to GP's and Frog's email, but the wording will be different and it will be shorter. I figure if it's to long it will not get read, so I'll try my best to make it short and sweet but right to the point and very direct. I'll send it to a corporate email and to many other emails that have to do with the Texans team and management. I can't assume that it will get read by the right ears if I send just one to the right person, and I encourage others to do the same. It pains me to not root for this team anymore until we get a new coach, but this team simply causes to much frustration and misery to keep going down this path knowing what the end result is and knowing what the franchise mentality is at this point. Nine years is enough for me to know what kind of product I'm looking at as a whole.

I won't be the nice guy that gets stood up and teased by the hot chick (Mcnair and his lack of false commitment to winning) every year anymore. Life is to short to root for a team that has no commitment to real success. When we get a new regime I'll be here and ready to go, but until then I will give Mcnair and his franchise the tough love they need and deserve and I will not root for them anymore, because they are on a path of fail as long as this regime is in place.

Lucky
12-17-2010, 11:55 PM
Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I don't think Einstein actually said this. But, he should have. And if he had, he would have been talking to Bob McNair.

TEXANRED
12-18-2010, 12:00 AM
I don't think Einstein actually said this. But, he should have. And if he had, he would have been talking to Bob McNair.

I think it was Ben Franklin.

brakos82
12-18-2010, 12:04 AM
The internet debates between the two.

I'm with Thorn in saying it was the aliens.

TEXANRED
12-18-2010, 12:07 AM
The internet debates between the two.

I'm with Thorn in saying it was the aliens.
I always forget about the aliens.

This is exactly why we need to build that fence so we can keep all that logic out.

brakos82
12-18-2010, 12:21 AM
I always forget about the aliens.

This is exactly why we need to build that fence so we can keep all that logic out.

Then maybe they'll stop taking our players over in the first half.

Grams
12-18-2010, 06:52 AM
Sending letters and emails and Texans' gear is not going to do much to change anything. Unless you have several thousand fans do the same.

If you want to make a statement to the Texans, you would need an empty stadium for the final home game. Don't go to tailgate, don't go to the park at all. Boycott the park and the game completely.
McNair already has the money for your tickets but will not make any money off the concessions if no one is there to buy them.
Let him see the 70,000+ seats empty and all the parking lots empty, he may understand the fans displeasure then.

CloakNNNdagger
12-18-2010, 07:05 AM
I don't think Einstein actually said this. But, he should have. And if he had, he would have been talking to Bob McNair.

I think it was Ben Franklin.

Although the "definition of insanity" has been attributed to Ben Franklin, the famous Roman philosopher Repetitious, and even an old Chinese proverb. The earliest print proof is Einstein in his archived "Letter to Maurice Solovine" written in 1951.

texanmojo
12-18-2010, 07:22 AM
Amazing - Kubiak's fan rating dropped from 88% (Week 1) to 21% (Week 14) per http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=56

Kubiak has fans???????

Trail.Blazr
12-18-2010, 08:43 AM
Sending letters and emails and Texans' gear is not going to do much to change anything. Unless you have several thousand fans do the same.

If you want to make a statement to the Texans, you would need an empty stadium for the final home game. Don't go to tailgate, don't go to the park at all. Boycott the park and the game completely.
McNair already has the money for your tickets but will not make any money off the concessions if no one is there to buy them.
Let him see the 70,000+ seats empty and all the parking lots empty, he may understand the fans displeasure then.

This theory might have people driving to Los Angeles to root for Kubiak someday.

charterTexanfan
12-18-2010, 09:39 AM
great post GP. I wish I had written it.

Discouraged and disappointed pretty much sum it up for me too. In the past, I would never miss an opportunity to go to a game, tailgate, and yell until I couldn't speak above a whisper the next day. That was when I had a reason to be optimistic (some may feel we have yet to have had a reason to be the least bit optimistic). I am fortunate enough attend games courtesy of a Bro-in-law that has 4 PSL's in 128 and a Platinum parking pass and have rarely had to watch a home game on television. This year, especially late this season, we have both opted to sell the tickets and stay home rather than going to the game. It's like going out to eat and ordering a filet mignon medium rare with big steamy stuffed baked potato and being served a Big Mac and cold french fries instead. You go in with high expectations because of what you've heard about this great restaurant, when you get there, the service sucks, the food sucks, and the price is too high for what you get. I feel your pain.
_________________________

:roast: Kubiak

HoustonFrog
12-18-2010, 10:15 AM
I don't think Einstein actually said this. But, he should have. And if he had, he would have been talking to Bob McNair.

I think it was Ben Franklin.



I saw it attributed to Einstein. I also saw it attributed to Franklin and an ancient proverb. So....who knows

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/insanity-doing_the_same_thing_over_and_over_again/15511.html

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Albert Einstein quotes (German born American Physicist who developed the special and general theories of relativity. Nobel Prize for Physics in 1921. 1879-1955)

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html

Albert Einstein Quotes

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

BullNation4Life
12-18-2010, 11:40 PM
I hope all you letter writers are doing so for some sort of therapeutic release becasue other than that, it is just a waste of time and effort. Man you can go Andy Dufrane and write a letter a week for the next 2 years and not a dam thing is gonna change.

Face the facts, Bob McNair has every Texan fan by the sack and there aint't a dam thing you can do about it. Wanna know why, cause we are A: addicted to football and B: addicted to this team and McNair knows it.

Oh I know you will stop wearing the gear or watching the games, until the game is on or they win couple in a row and you will be right back rooting for them. Bob McNair knows EXACTLY what he is doing on the business side of this franchise and a few letter from some pissed-off fans isn't going to change a thing while this losing team is still 400+ million in the black...

Love the effort, just sad it will go for not....

houstonspartan
12-19-2010, 01:49 AM
I hope all you letter writers are doing so for some sort of therapeutic release becasue other than that, it is just a waste of time and effort. Man you can go Andy Dufrane and write a letter a week for the next 2 years and not a dam thing is gonna change.

Face the facts, Bob McNair has every Texan fan by the sack and there aint't a dam thing you can do about it. Wanna know why, cause we are A: addicted to football and B: addicted to this team and McNair knows it.

Oh I know you will stop wearing the gear or watching the games, until the game is on or they win couple in a row and you will be right back rooting for them. Bob McNair knows EXACTLY what he is doing on the business side of this franchise and a few letter from some pissed-off fans isn't going to change a thing while this losing team is still 400+ million in the black...

Love the effort, just sad it will go for not....

I'm so sick of bullshit responses like this. It's easy to be cynical and just assume that nothing will happen, because that's the easy way out. And it's lazy.

Some of us who actually spend money on this team hope that our frustrations will be heard.

thunderwolf
12-19-2010, 03:23 AM
if you can, give me the address and/or email to message McNair? Public or PM. I haven't logged on here in awhile but it's important.

BullNation4Life
12-19-2010, 09:48 AM
I'm so sick of bullshit responses like this. It's easy to be cynical and just assume that nothing will happen, because that's the easy way out. And it's lazy.

Some of us who actually spend money on this team hope that our frustrations will be heard.

don't get mad at me for knowing the outcome of a futile act of frustration. you just made my point, you hope. I hope to be a millionaire one day, not gonna happen but I can hope. There is nothing cynical or lazy about my response, it is just simply reality and fact. As long as this franchise is in the black, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE! As long as those PSLs get bought up, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!

Oh sure they may use Bush as a scapegoat but fact still remains, 8 years into this franchise and 1 winning season with mediocre coaching and hundreds of millions in the black...

but you keep wasting your time on letters that most likely will not even get read if not read by some secretary, me I'll just stick to not buying into an inferior product until real change has been made...

Now if you want to make McNair stand up and pay attention, the billboard idea I think, would be genius and I would be more than happy to pitch in a little to have a sign near Reliant Stadium saying something like...

"Mr. McNair, WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE WILL NOT GOING TO TAKE MEDIOCRITY ANYMORE! Texans Fans!

At least that might get you some news worthy airtime....

Lucky
12-19-2010, 09:54 AM
As long as this franchise is in the black, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE! As long as those PSLs get bought up, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!
Every franchise in the NFL is in the black. Yet, many of these teams make moves in order for the team to be successful on the field. What makes the Texans organization, in your mind, so single-minded that they care for only profits?

BullNation4Life
12-19-2010, 10:02 AM
Every franchise in the NFL is in the black. Yet, many of these teams make moves in order for the team to be successful on the field. What makes the Texans organization, in your mind, so single-minded that they care for only profits?

1 , backdoor winning season in 8 years with mediocre coaching is all I need to know about the Texans organization and why profits matter more than a winning franchise. No other owner in the NFL would have put up with that kind of failure, no real owner who care more about football and winning than profit making.

When the owner say this team is on the right track after it's 8th straight year without a playoff appearance, and another year of this team at best getting to 8-8, that speaks louder than any stadium filled to the ceilings with fans about the agenda of the Texans owner wants to do with this franchise....

Lucky
12-19-2010, 10:35 AM
What makes the Texans organization, in your mind, so single-minded that they care for only profits?

1 , backdoor winning season in 8 years with mediocre coaching is all I need to know about the Texans organization and why profits matter more than a winning franchise. No other owner in the NFL would have put up with that kind of failure, no real owner who care more about football and winning than profit making.

That's one explanation. But, not the only one. The Texans organization could make these decisions because the guy at the top, Bob McNair, just doesn't understand how to win in the NFL. He thinks that stability is the key to success. And it is. Once the right people are in place. McNair has just put the cart before the horse.

http://soundbiteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/cart-before-horse-2.jpg

BullNation4Life
12-19-2010, 11:02 AM
That's one explanation. But, not the only one. The Texans organization could make these decisions because the guy at the top, Bob McNair, just doesn't understand how to win in the NFL. He thinks that stability is the key to success. And it is. Once the right people are in place. McNair has just put the cart before the horse.

http://soundbiteblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/cart-before-horse-2.jpg

ok I can agree with that but look what it took for Uncle Bob to make the first coaching change, a 2-14 season. Do honestly think, knowing the history of this owner, that had Dom Capers not gone 2-14 but had a few 8-8 seasons in there that he STILL would be the head coach of the Texans? What has been the real difference between Kubiak and Capers? a few mediocre seasons with 1 winning season?

The cart is so far in front of the horse it is a dot in the distant horizon and the horse may not catch up to anytime soon and that is what sucks about the whole dam thing....

DexmanC
12-19-2010, 11:05 AM
This theory might have people driving to Los Angeles to root for Kubiak someday.

Bob Mcnair is gonna move the team over a dispute with fans to save
Kubiak? Really?

Kubiak is the catalyst of the Texans moving?

Now I KNOW the Kool-Aid is spiked.

thunderkyss
12-19-2010, 11:25 AM
Mr. Bob McNair;

Enclosed, you will find my Texans gear.

I have posted your statements, below, and would like to comment on your remarks:


This man was addressing his team. His team that has little else to play for.

What exactly did you want him to say?

"We're getting rid of Kubiak... he's a lame duck. But I want you to play your asses off over the next three weeks regardless."

REally?

gwallaia
12-19-2010, 12:48 PM
Here's my letter to McNair.

Dear Mr. McNair,

**** you.

ChrisG
12-19-2010, 12:53 PM
Here's my letter to McNair.

Dear Mr. McNair,

**** you.

Sums up my feelings lol

devo-x
12-19-2010, 08:11 PM
Kubiak's rating dropped to 8% with the following comment per http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=56


5-9 after a 4-2 start....that is pathetic! The Texans are now in last place in one of the worst divisions in the NFL!

Carr Bombed
12-19-2010, 08:26 PM
Kubiak's rating dropped to 8% with the following comment per http://espn.go.com/nfl/sportsnation/coach?coachId=56

It's at 5 now.... :)

GNTLEWOLF
12-19-2010, 08:26 PM
1 , backdoor winning season in 8 years with mediocre coaching is all I need to know about the Texans organization and why profits matter more than a winning franchise. No other owner in the NFL would have put up with that kind of failure, no real owner who care more about football and winning than profit making.

When the owner say this team is on the right track after it's 8th straight year without a playoff appearance, and another year of this team at best getting to 8-8, that speaks louder than any stadium filled to the ceilings with fans about the agenda of the Texans owner wants to do with this franchise....

There is one other team in the NFL that not only pyts up with but embraces mediocrity year after year. They have a similar .500 record as ours and have a few seasons where they have made the play-offs and others where they have fallen way flat, but they still tread along in mediocrity and seem to be happy with it...that team is the Bengals...Look at marvin Lewis's record there and you will see Kubiak's future in Houston...Makes me sick...

Mr. White
12-19-2010, 08:46 PM
It's at 5 now.... :)

I'm glad to know that. I was getting ready to post another Kubiak poll.

ESAD2-14
12-19-2010, 09:06 PM
It's at 5 now.... :)

2% as of right now. Continuing the downward trend just like the Texans.

HoustonFrog
12-20-2010, 09:07 AM
I am happy I wrote...and others wrote...now. The main reason is everything spelled out before yesterday's debacle came to fruition. Pretty sad when the fans are that much farther ahead of the curver than the owner. (unless he is playing some game)

HoustonFrog
12-30-2010, 04:58 PM
I am happy I wrote...and others wrote...now. The main reason is everything spelled out before yesterday's debacle came to fruition. Pretty sad when the fans are that much farther ahead of the curver than the owner. (unless he is playing some game)

I got a response from Mr. McNair. Forwarded from his staff. See what happens

Dear Mr. Miller

NitroGSXR
12-30-2010, 05:13 PM
I got a response from Mr. McNair. Forwarded from his staff. See what happens

Dear Mr. Miller

???

I think you bungled your post. I'm only seeing Dear Mr. Miller....

JB
12-30-2010, 05:25 PM
???

I think you bungled your post. I'm only seeing Dear Mr. Miller....

Yeah, I'm waiting for this.

Yankee_In_TX
12-30-2010, 05:25 PM
I got a response from Mr. McNair. Forwarded from his staff. See what happens

Dear Mr. Miller

Neg rep! Neg rep!!! (not really, but come on!!!)

HoustonFrog
12-30-2010, 07:10 PM
Sorry guys I'm in Port Aransas and the kids were all over me

Dear Mr Miller

Thank you for your letter. I'm just as frustrated as you. We have one more game to play and hopefully will finish with a win. Regardless, we will be reviewing all aspects of our organization and will take action to improve our organization.

Thank you for your support

Best Regards

Bob McNair


It was his letterhead and all. Nice that I got it

JB
12-30-2010, 07:12 PM
Sorry guys I'm in Port Aransas and the kids were all over me

Dear Mr Miller

Thank you for your letter. I'm just as frustrated as you. We have one more game to play and hopefully will finish with a win. Regardless, we will be reviewing all aspects of our organization and will take action to improve our organization.

Thank you for your support

Best Regards

Bob McNair


It was his letterhead and all. Nice that I got it

It is nice that you got it. He did say he answered every letter. Did it look like a form letter?

HoustonFrog
12-30-2010, 07:51 PM
It is nice that you got it. He did say he answered every letter. Did it look like a form letter?


His admin emailed it to me because I supplied an email and no address. They said they could supply me the original. It is probably a bit of a form. Still nice to get. It doesn't change my thoughts if Kubes stays but nice.

Yesterday
12-30-2010, 08:20 PM
Even though that's a cookie cutter response I guess it's a good gesture.

bckey
12-30-2010, 10:14 PM
Sorry guys I'm in Port Aransas and the kids were all over me

What the heck are you doing in my neck of the woods, uh palm trees? Fishing, surfing or just relaxing on the beach?

HoustonFrog
12-30-2010, 10:20 PM
What the heck are you doing in my neck of the woods, uh palm trees? Fishing, surfing or just relaxing on the beach?

We usually are somewhere in the Caribbean this week or I was going to support my Frogs in the Rose Bowl but standby flights were a mess with the storms and all so we drove here. Unreasonably warm until Saturday and the kids love it.

bckey
12-30-2010, 10:27 PM
There should be fireworks on the beach tomorrow night and please visit the port aransas brewing company for food, drinks and fun. If you make it to Corpus Christi (flour bluff) eat at laguna reef all the way at the end of laguna shores.

TexansFanatic
12-30-2010, 11:11 PM
Mr. Bob McNair;

Enclosed, you will find my Texans gear.



Outstanding work, my friend. Thanks for taking the time to put that together. You've done us all a favor. Please let us know what kind of response, if any, you get.