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Texans34Life
12-15-2010, 03:12 PM
....for the rest of the season.

I received it via text.

HTown2ATX
12-15-2010, 03:12 PM
Got the text too.

May as well have done it...nothing left to play for this season.


AGAIN!!!!!

:gun:

Rey
12-15-2010, 03:16 PM
Good.

Hopefully Mario can get himself ready to play next season.

TEXANS84
12-15-2010, 03:16 PM
just saw it on myfoxhouston.com

Redtexan#34
12-15-2010, 03:19 PM
Starting D-lineman and O-lineman out this could be the begining of the end to reign of Kubiak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3xsDv6yCnY

Rey
12-15-2010, 03:21 PM
Starting D-lineman and O-lineman out this could be the begining of the end to reign of Kubiak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3xsDv6yCnY

Or a built in excuse for losing the last three games.

El Tejano
12-15-2010, 03:22 PM
The likelihood of this happening is rather unlikely but I got to ask the question.

If Indy beats Jville and then loses to Oak and Tenn, while Jville then loses to washington and us and we are all tied at 8-8. Who wins the division? And if somehow it is us, can we bring Mario back?

Mr. Texan
12-15-2010, 03:26 PM
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/images/olifant_tank1.jpg

El Tejano
12-15-2010, 03:32 PM
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/images/olifant_tank1.jpg

I get it. Tanking it. You trend setter you.

drs23
12-15-2010, 03:39 PM
The likelihood of this happening is rather unlikely but I got to ask the question.

If Indy beats Jville and then loses to Oak and Tenn, while Jville then loses to washington and us and we are all tied at 8-8. Who wins the division? And if somehow it is us, can we bring Mario back?

In a word, no.

JWarren14
12-15-2010, 03:41 PM
The likelihood of this happening is rather unlikely but I got to ask the question.

If Indy beats Jville and then loses to Oak and Tenn, while Jville then loses to washington and us and we are all tied at 8-8. Who wins the division? And if somehow it is us, can we bring Mario back?

We win the division in that scenario.

disaacks3
12-15-2010, 03:48 PM
Time to start looking for the best FS & CBs in the draft.

El Tejano
12-15-2010, 04:00 PM
We win the division in that scenario.

must...try....to....avoid.......optimism!!!!!

PhilpW
12-15-2010, 04:01 PM
Time to start looking for the best FS & CBs in the draft.

I don't have the link, however I do have a pretty good memory. Last year, Kareem Jackson was the "most NFL ready corner" because he played for Nick Saban. Now he may or may not have been, but he was one of the top three corners in the draft. Our current staff can't make players out of their draft picks.

Dutchrudder
12-15-2010, 04:02 PM
We win the division in that scenario.

Really? You worked through all these tie breakers already? Like in math class, please show your work.


TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

HOU-TEX
12-15-2010, 04:05 PM
Champio....er..nevermind

Dutchrudder
12-15-2010, 04:12 PM
In order for the 8-8 tie to happen in the AFC south, Jacksonville must go 0-3, and Indy must go 1-2 with that win coming against Jacksonville, but lose to the Raiders and Titans. Yeah right...

JB
12-15-2010, 04:17 PM
In order for the 8-8 tie to happen in the AFC south, Jacksonville must go 0-3, and Indy must go 1-2 with that win coming against Jacksonville, but lose to the Raiders and Titans. Yeah right...

IF all that happens, which has a snowballs chance in hell, we will lose the common game tie-breaker to Indy at the very least. Indy lost to SD, NE, HOU, Phi, Dal and Jax. We lost to NYG, Dal, Balt, Phi, SD, NYJ, Indy, Jax. Common non-div opponents are Dal, NYG, Phi and SD so far. We lost 4 of those 4, they lost 3, so we are behind, unless Oakland somehow beats the Colts and the Titans beat them as well. It certainly doesn't look likely.

But Indy will have a 3-3 div. record and we will have a 4-2.

Blake
12-15-2010, 04:20 PM
Really? You worked through all these tie breakers already? Like in math class, please show your work.


Its all right here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario

Simply make HOU win, JAX lose 3, and indy 2.

ChrisG
12-15-2010, 04:20 PM
im glad they did this. Get Mario some rest.

Would also like to see AJ and Foster in severely reduced rolls. Ideally maybe even put AJ on IR. But AJ being AJ, you know he would nvr let that happen.

Dutchrudder
12-15-2010, 04:22 PM
But Indy will have a 3-3 div. record and we will have a 4-2.

Yeah, I see that now. Oh well, good luck getting Jax to go 0-3.

JB
12-15-2010, 04:24 PM
Yeah, I see that now. Oh well, good luck getting Jax to go 0-3.

Yeah, it ain't happening. But if it did...

Mr teX
12-15-2010, 04:29 PM
Please stop it with the tiebreaker scenarios already....It's over. I'd be fine with losing all but the 2nd tacks game so we can see what bob's gonna do.

m5kwatts
12-15-2010, 04:32 PM
The excuses are rolling in for McNair now. He won't even have to use the CBA uncertainty as an excuse for keeping Kubiak.

"I just don't think it's fair circumstances to bring in a whole new staff after last year. The offense improved its issues - obviously with Arian running the ball we've become a great running team. We improved our red zone efficiency. If you look at it, not having Cushing the first 4 games, Mario, he was never healthy all year, we lost Demeco and Connor for the year early, so the defense never had a chance to gel. We think when healthy it's capable of being the defense it was the last 13 games of the 2009 season." - Bob McNair, January 2nd, 2011 after the Texans finish 8-8 yet again

Ole Miss Texan
12-15-2010, 04:45 PM
I think it's highly unlikely we'll make the playoffs at this point... most will agree to that. But I really really want to see us win out and go 8-8.

With that said, IND's and JAC's schedules are not cake walks.

IND - home against JAC (winnable); @ OAK (Oakland is better than people give them credit for); home against TEN (division rival, dirty tacks, last game of the season)

JAC - @ IND (Indy's good); home against WAS (Washington isn't a slouch); @ HOU (a must win game for us anyway you slice it).

The odds certainly aren't in our favor but stranger things have happend.


Oh... and I hope these guys get better soon!

Hervoyel
12-15-2010, 04:47 PM
They're just building their yearly excuse pile up. It's "Gary Kubiak's Excuse-a-palooza" year 5 version.

Thorn
12-15-2010, 04:49 PM
They're just building their yearly excuse pile up. It's "Gary Kubiak's Excuse-a-palooza" year 5 version.

:lol:

utahmark
12-15-2010, 04:55 PM
I think it's highly unlikely we'll make the playoffs at this point... most will agree to that. But I really really want to see us win out and go 8-8.
With that said, IND's and JAC's schedules are not cake walks.

IND - home against JAC (winnable); @ OAK (Oakland is better than people give them credit for); home against TEN (division rival, dirty tacks, last game of the season)

JAC - @ IND (Indy's good); home against WAS (Washington isn't a slouch); @ HOU (a must win game for us anyway you slice it).

The odds certainly aren't in our favor but stranger things have happend.


Oh... and I hope these guys get better soon!

It would probably be better to lose out and get some more help in the draft. I just can't root against them once the games start though.

painekiller
12-15-2010, 05:37 PM
Mario has a sports hernia and has not been himself for weeks. He needs to have the thing surgically repaired. It's better to do this now then after the rest of the season where we have no chance in hell of getting to the playoffs. Get a 30 day jump on the thing.

Makes sense to me.

texanchris
12-15-2010, 05:40 PM
cant believe people are still talking play-off scenarios on this board. seasons over. glad theyre letting Mario rest and get better, we will need him for next year. I hate to say it but i dont really want the texans to win the next 3. Everytime they do that it makes me feel like we turned the corner and might finally be a play-off team and then next season starts and its another mediocre season. Better to get a high draft pick and hopefully a new head coach than have to endure another year of mediocre play.

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 06:52 PM
Should have happened long before this.

Texans Pro Bowl DE Williams done for season with groin injuryNFL.com Wire Reports (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81cee444/printable/texans-pro-bowl-de-williams-done-for-season-with-groin-injury)Published: Dec. 15, 2010 at 04:50 p.m. Updated: Dec. 15, 2010 at 05:02 p.m.

Houston Texans defensive end Mario Williams, who went to the past two Pro Bowls, is out for the remainder of the season.


For more on the Houston Texans, check out the latest from our bloggers.

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The Texans said Wednesday that Williams had been placed on season-ending injured reserve. He struggled with injuries since September, and a groin injury was listed as the reason for the move.

"He just wasn't getting better," Texans coach Gary Kubiak said, according to the team's official website. "He will have surgery early next week."

The Texans also placed wide receiver David Anderson (shoulder) and guard Mike Brisiel (calf) on injured reserve.

The Houston Chronicle reported via Twitter that the Texans are expected to sign veteran defensive end Jarvis Green to take Williams' roster spot. Green played eight seasons for the New England Patriots before being released during the offseason. He spent time with the Denver Broncos this season, but he didn't play in a game.

The Texans' official website also reported that the team signed defensive tackle DeMario Pressley off the New Orleans Saints' practice squad and promoted wide receiver Derrick Townsel from their own practice squad.

The Texans (5-8) visit the Tennessee Titans (5-8) on Sunday. If the AFC South-leading Jacksonville Jaguars win one of their final three games, the Texans will be eliminated from postseason contention for the ninth consecutive year.

rmartin65
12-15-2010, 06:56 PM
"He just wasn't getting better"

Really, you expected another outcome? Who'd a thunk that a sports hernia wouldn't go away with constant, rigorous usage?

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Please consolidate or delete thread.

Austrian
12-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Just saw it on NFL.com. That sucks but our season was over anyway.

disaacks3
12-15-2010, 06:56 PM
Is this truly a groin injury...or is it the Sports Hernia we've been hearing about? (or Both)

Doppelganger
12-15-2010, 07:00 PM
Anyone know how long it takes to recover from this kind of injury?

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 07:21 PM
Mario has a sports hernia and has not been himself for weeks. He needs to have the thing surgically repaired. It's better to do this now then after the rest of the season where we have no chance in hell of getting to the playoffs. Get a 30 day jump on the thing.

Makes sense to me.

It would have be much smarter to take care of his "problem" during training camp when the problem first reared its ugly head.......or when the decision was made to not operate after seeing the "sports hernia doctor" the beginning of August for what is obvious to have included the diagnosis of sports hernia and likely a concommitant hip problem. As I said back during the beginnings of his problem, he should have been rested immediately and definitively treated so that he would be available by the 2nd half of the season when the most important run would occur. As it turns out, injured Mario has had very sparing isolated glimpses of greatness and has overal made quite pedestrian contributions to the season. This is consistent with what could have been expected with what has recently been admitted to.

The Texans' organization decision making tree has been defective down the line in every aspect of the game.........including in the most important, the medical.

drs23
12-15-2010, 07:49 PM
It would have be much smarter to take care of his "problem" during training camp when the problem first reared its ugly head.......or when the decision was made to not operate after seeing the "sports hernia doctor" the beginning of August for what is obvious to have included the diagnosis of sports hernia and likely a concommitant hip problem. As I said back during the beginnings of his problem, he should have been rested immediately and definitively treated so that he would be available by the 2nd half of the season when the most important run would occur. As it turns out, injured Mario has had very sparing isolated glimpses of greatness and has overal made quite pedestrian contributions to the season. This is consistent with what could have been expected with what has recently been admitted to.

The Texans' organization decision making tree has been defective down the line in every aspect of the game.........including in the most important, the medical.

Doctor,

Granted, and you were very strong in your opinon at the time. It didn't happen. Now that this track has been taken, is this something that surgery will correct and Mario, after rehab, return 100% or will he ever be the same?

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:03 PM
Doctor,

Granted, and you were very strong in your opinon at the time. It didn't happen. Now that this track has been taken, is this something that surgery will correct and Mario, after rehab, return 100% or will he ever be the same?

drs, you might want to review this extensive post I presented in order to try to review for MB members the salient aspects of this type of problem. It should answer most of your questions.: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1600777&postcount=57 (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1600777&postcount=57)

JB
12-15-2010, 08:16 PM
Is the medical staff the Texans are currently using the same ones that they had back in '02?

There has been way too much of this bs going back to Bosselli...

Jackie Chiles
12-15-2010, 08:20 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7340615.html

He just stopped and grabbed both of his groins and said, Man, I think something is really wrong, Smith said. I watched him on the next play, and he just didnt have nothing to give."

Can't believe they didn't shut him down a couple of weeks ago. Very disappointed in this organization's management of this injury. Guess all we can do now is pray he makes a full recovery.

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:31 PM
Responding to JB's post Is the medical staff the Texans are currently using the same ones that they had back in '02?

There has been way too much of this bs going back to Bosselli... Pretty much so, except for Dr Tom Clanton their foot and ankle specialist, who last year moved his practice to Vail, Colorado

JB
12-15-2010, 08:33 PM
Pretty much so, except for Dr Tom Clanton their foot and ankle specialist, who last year moved his practice to Vail, Colorado

Were you replying to me or Jackie here?

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:39 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7340615.html

He just stopped and grabbed both of his groins and said, Man, I think something is really wrong, Smith said. I watched him on the next play, and he just didnt have nothing to give."

Can't believe they didn't shut him down a couple of weeks ago. Very disappointed in this organization's management of this injury. Guess all we can do now is pray he makes a full recovery.

He evidently EXTENDED his injury into an acute surgical problem. With an appropriate early 4-8 week rest and rehab, it is very likely that Mario could have recovered to play out most of the regular schedule in good condition.......and avoided the need for surgery.

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:42 PM
Were you replying to me or Jackie here?


Corrected my post.............I was responding to you!:smiliepalm:

devo-x
12-15-2010, 08:42 PM
With Williams out, Kubiak said that second-year defensive end Tim Jamison is “about to play a great deal.” Antoine Caldwell will step into the starting lineup for Brisiel, who injured his right calf against the Ravens. Brisiel started nine games this season.

Anderson injured his left shoulder on Monday while attempting to make a leaping catch in the fourth quarter. He finishes the season with 11 catches for 117 yards. His departure creates an immediate opportunity for rookie wide receiver Dorin Dickerson, a seventh-round pick out of Pittsburgh who has played sparingly.

With roster spots to fill, the Texans signed defensive tackle DeMario Pressley from the New Orleans Saints' practice squad and wide receiver Derrick Townsel from their own practice squad.

Pressley was a fifth-round draft pick in 2008 from North Carolina State. He played in nine games for the Saints last season. Townsel is an undrafted rookie from Murray State who has kick return ability.

“Townsel deserves the right to be on the active (roster),” Kubiak said. “When kids work for you all season like that, to get rewarded at the end, to get on the active roster, I know the team is excited for him.”

The Texans also signed center Brett Helms and wide receiver Montez Billings to their practice squad. Rookie defensive tackle Malcolm Sheppard left the Texans’ practice squad earlier this week to sign with the Tennessee Titans.


Source: http://www.houstontexans.com/news/article-3/Williams-Brisiel-Anderson-go-on-IR-Texans-sign-two/4a8171e6-f111-4cde-93b2-96d1e067f88b

JB
12-15-2010, 08:47 PM
Corrected my post.............I was responding to you!:smiliepalm:

I thought so. Don't you find it disheartening to see the same type of diagnosis year after year that appears to be faulty over time? How can they continue to recommend that the player can play, when it is in the player's best interest to rest an injury, or have an early surgery to facilitate a sooner return? Do you think they are being pressured to recommend what the coach wants to hear? Or are they merely incompetant?

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:48 PM
Were you replying to me or Jackie here?

And if Dr. Clanton (who I know) were still with the Texans, he would have shut AJ down immediately after his initial high ankle sprain and given him the 6 week rest and rehab he required. If you think that AJ's had a great year, you need to realistically think of how totally unstoppable he would have been with TWO fully operational ankles.

JB
12-15-2010, 08:55 PM
And if Dr. Clanton (who I know) were still with the Texans, he would have shut AJ down immediately after his initial high ankle sprain and given him the 6 week rest and rehab he required. If you think that AJ's had a great year, you need to realistically think of how totally unstoppable he would have been with TWO fully operational ankles.

Dude is amazing for a fact!

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 08:58 PM
I thought so. Don't you find it disheartening to see the same type of diagnosis year after year that appears to be faulty over time? How can they continue to recommend that the player can play, when it is in the player's best interest to rest an injury, or have an early surgery to facilitate a sooner return? Do you think they are being pressured to recommend what the coach wants to hear? Or are they merely incompetant?

Pressure is a significant factor that the Texans non physician FO place (along with player's avid desire to play, with ignorance of what the realistic impact on their performance, career and post playing days really are), but as much as I would hate to say, more that a pinch of incompetence and medical soul and ethics-selling seems to be also playing a role.

JB
12-15-2010, 09:07 PM
That is painful to hear.

97roc
12-15-2010, 09:20 PM
Yo CND, whats your take on Demeco's injury? I've heard rumblings that it is very difficult to come back from. I wonder how this lockout will affect the rehab of the players? Do most of them head back home to rehab or spend the offseason at the teams's medical facilities. If its the latter, then I'm guessing they won't be allowed any access during this lockout.

CloakNNNdagger
12-15-2010, 09:36 PM
Yo CND, whats your take on Demeco's injury? I've heard rumblings that it is very difficult to come back from. I wonder how this lockout will affect the rehab of the players? Do most of them head back home to rehab or spend the offseason at the teams's medical facilities. If its the latter, then I'm guessing they won't be allowed any access during this lockout.

From my previous posts concerning Demeco's injury:

For complete tears, the route is virtually always surgical, and always for athletes.

A major advantage of early repair of the Achilles tendon is that it offers a lower re-rupture rate ~3%, a greater chance of returning to play, with ultimately greater strength and more endurance. However, wound complications such as tear through of the repair and infection and if so can be very serious. The overall complication rate of surgically treated Achilles tendon ruptures is approximately 20%. Problems with wound healing remain the most common and most difficult to manage given the empirically poor circulation of this tendon.

Barring any complications, most operative rehab consists of a cast for 2 weeks, then a removeable cast-boot for about 12 weeks after surgery. It usually takes 6 months after surgery before players can return to play. Keep in mind, this does not include time required to return to true football conditioning and form.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1553459&postcount=26

After surgical repair, football player return to play has been approximately 90%. Return to preinjury performance has been noted at closer to 80-85%. Demeco should be able to show us his level of return by 9-12 months post repair.http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1553812&postcount=65