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Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 08:45 AM
As upseting as it was to watch us lose the game in overtime... even to watch us as we put ourselves in the situation to have to comback on to lose... I was very pleased and happy with our fight and with the small display of just what the Texans are capable of. Schaub was a True leader last night. I saw Quin with some real attitude. Our regulars stepped to the plate however, others stepped up with them. Iv said it before, I would like to see some change like everyone else... I just hope that it doesnt have to be Kubiak because I LOVE our offense when its clicking and would absolutely HATE to lose the capability. He showed some real creativity last night. And although the defense was absent the 1st half of the game... They stepped up as a team... Hell, Even Frank Bush started dialing it up the way he was suppose to! I truely do see hope for our team in the future so long as we keep important pieces and continue to show fight and improvement... You guys thoughts aboutlast night?

TheIronDuke
12-14-2010, 08:50 AM
Proud certainly isn't an adjective I'd use to describe that performance last night.

houstonhurricane
12-14-2010, 08:50 AM
We lost and are 5-8 and out of the playoffs...again. I don't feel good at all.

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 08:51 AM
I would be proud if they were a crappy team who were overacheiving and playing above their head.

As it stands, a should-be decent team that routinely spots the other teams double-digit leads and then happens to turn it on for a quarter or so does not deserve my admiration.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-14-2010, 08:58 AM
From reading some of the moral victory posts on this board today, you'd think we were Detroit Lions fans.

Blake
12-14-2010, 08:59 AM
As upseting as it was to watch us lose the game in overtime... even to watch us as we put ourselves in the situation to have to comback on to lose... I was very pleased and happy with our fight and with the small display of just what the Texans are capable of. Schaub was a True leader last night. I saw Quin with some real attitude. Our regulars stepped to the plate however, others stepped up with them. Iv said it before, I would like to see some change like everyone else... I just hope that it doesnt have to be Kubiak because I LOVE our offense when its clicking and would absolutely HATE to lose the capability. He showed some real creativity last night. And although the defense was absent the 1st half of the game... They stepped up as a team... Hell, Even Frank Bush started dialing it up the way he was suppose to! I truely do see hope for our team in the future so long as we keep important pieces and continue to show fight and improvement... You guys thoughts aboutlast night?

It was nice to see our team mount the comeback, but I dont see how you can be proud of our play in the 1st half in all three phases of the game. We arent the rebuilding Rams. We are the Texans who are supposed to be a legit playoff team this year. Another non winning record, and another playoff season without our boys. Disappointing to say the least.

GP
12-14-2010, 09:18 AM
I said this throughout the gameday thread last night.

I will say it again.

There is an Instant Gratification Crowd (IGC) here.

The IGC are swayed by the moment-by-moment evenst that transpire on the screen. If we made it a good game, if we came back from a deficit, and if certain items looked decent, then YAY! things are fine and dandy.

The IGC get goose-bumps when we rally and start the comeback...but they forget that we already know the ending. I'm surprised that we pulled off the Redskins and Raiders games. In essence, as I have also said all season long when it became apparent we were pretenders and not contenders, this team has to have its opponent's wheels fall off in order for the Texans to win.

The Redskins and Raiders are worse than the Texans. The Redskins got away from their gameplan in the 2nd half. The Raiders had receivers dropping passes at critical moments, and their injured QB came back onto the field when he should have stayed out. We won those games because those two teams goofed up and played down to us. Down to our level.

When we face teams who are tougher (mentally) we come close to beating them but cannot beat them.

My first problem is that I truly 100% believe that this coaching staff does not gameplan for each individual opponent. I'm not saying they don't watch film. I am saying that I think we aren't seeing a coaching staff able to identify the areas of the opponent that are most vulnerable and should be exploited. I definitely do not think the defensive coaches are preparing their players appropriately, nor are they putting their guys into position to stand a fighting chance. Young secondary? (sigh) OK, that's a part of it. But good coaching can coach up anything, and this team is not THAT void of talent on both sides of the ball. Not until we are essentially out of the playoff picture do we see Pollard coming on blitzes like he has these past two games. It took THAT long to try this? Okie-dokie. 10-yard cushion on receivers? Laughable.

Secondly, there's a fundamental problem with your coach when you stick with a shanky kicker (Kris Brown) all of last season without bringing in someone to take his place. As head coach, I would have waived Chris Brown the RB and picked up a kicker...then I would keep Kris Brown the kicker ACTIVATED as well as ACTIVATE the new kicker, making Kris Brown sit and watch and attempting to give the new kicker the gameday reps. Without anybody there to help the team out, Kris Brown drowned himself AND this team's playoff hopes. And Kubiak did nothing. He enabled it all. Period. The roster decisions have been dubious. Slow to act, that's the tag I put on Kubiak. Slaton ALL year long as our kickoff returner. Seirously? Wow.

Thirdly, there is a coach out there that I believe has to be sitting and watching our game(s) and thinking to himself, "How is this team NOT 11-2 right now?" We have the tools. But the biggest "tool" of all is the guy managing this whole fiasco right now.

My thoughts on last night's game? Oh, it was splendid. Wonderful! I was ecstatic to see the same thing play out for like, what, the fourth time this season? With the same predictable ending. And the same predictable posts by the same people who are IGC around here.

More, please! (whack!) May I have another? (whack) Thank you. (whack)....

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 09:19 AM
It was nice to see our team mount the comeback, but I dont see how you can be proud of our play in the 1st half in all three phases of the game. We arent the rebuilding Rams. We are the Texans who are supposed to be a legit playoff team this year. Another non winning record, and another playoff season without our boys. Disappointing to say the least.

I pretty sure that ANY and ALL Texans Fans are disappointed as far as seasons go. And once again... NO ONE was happy about that UGLY 1st half. Im simply saying as far as effort goes... It was TOP KNOTCH. They could have EASILY QUITE in this game and on these coaches the way that 1st half was going. I know what the hell we were SUPPOSE to be this year. Hell, I was hoping Super Bowl because lord knows what we COULD do if we actually ever make it to the playoffs. All Im saying is, you throw all the "what we were suppose" to be stuff aside... access the reality of the matter of how we've underachieved and realize this IS who we are THIS YEAR. CHANGE is necessary on defense... But how do you know it will be any better with a different head coach? It wasnt like they had our number or something... We dropped WAY too many balls in the 1st half. Thats not play calling.

Buffi2
12-14-2010, 09:23 AM
I would be really proud to see our team play the first half the same way they play in the 4th quarter down by 2 touchdowns. If that would happen, we wouldn't be down by anything - we would be winning.

TheCD
12-14-2010, 09:24 AM
I said it last week and I'll say it again...


I think the light has come on for Glover. He's putting himself in a good position consistently. I haven't seen him get burned in a while. Every corner will give up catches, but he is among those who tackles the receiver immediately or breaks up the pass.

Now if only Kareem could do the same...

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 09:25 AM
I pretty sure that ANY and ALL Texans Fans are disappointed as far as seasons go. And once again... NO ONE was happy about that UGLY 1st half. Im simply saying as far as effort goes... It was TOP KNOTCH. They could have EASILY QUITE in this game and on these coaches the way that 1st half was going. I know what the hell we were SUPPOSE to be this year. Hell, I was hoping Super Bowl because lord knows what we COULD do if we actually ever make it to the playoffs. All Im saying is, you throw all the "what we were suppose" to be stuff aside... access the reality of the matter of how we've underachieved and realize this IS who we are THIS YEAR. CHANGE is necessary on defense... But how do you know it will be any better with a different head coach? It wasnt like they had our number or something... We dropped WAY too many balls in the 1st half. Thats not play calling.

I could refute every point you made, but I'm just tired of re-hashing the same arguments. Bottom line is that you are wrong.

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 09:28 AM
I said this throughout the gameday thread last night.

I will say it again.

There is an Instant Gratification Crowd (IGC) here.

The IGC are swayed by the moment-by-moment evenst that transpire on the screen. If we made it a good game, if we came back from a deficit, and if certain items looked decent, then YAY! things are fine and dandy.

The IGC get goose-bumps when we rally and start the comeback...but they forget that we already know the ending. I'm surprised that we pulled off the Redskins and Raiders games. In essence, as I have also said all season long when it became apparent we were pretenders and not contenders, this team has to have its opponent's wheels fall off in order for the Texans to win.

The Redskins and Raiders are worse than the Texans. The Redskins got away from their gameplan in the 2nd half. The Raiders had receivers dropping passes at critical moments, and their injured QB came back onto the field when he should have stayed out. We won those games because those two teams goofed up and played down to us. Down to our level.

When we face teams who are tougher (mentally) we come close to beating them but cannot beat them.

My first problem is that I truly 100% believe that this coaching staff does not gameplan for each individual opponent. I'm not saying they don't watch film. I am saying that I think we aren't seeing a coaching staff able to identify the areas of the opponent that are most vulnerable and should be exploited. I definitely do not think the defensive coaches are preparing their players appropriately, nor are they putting their guys into position to stand a fighting chance. Young secondary? (sigh) OK, that's a part of it. But good coaching can coach up anything, and this team is not THAT void of talent on both sides of the ball. Not until we are essentially out of the playoff picture do we see Pollard coming on blitzes like he has these past two games. It took THAT long to try this? Okie-dokie. 10-yard cushion on receivers? Laughable.

Secondly, there's a fundamental problem with your coach when you stick with a shanky kicker (Kris Brown) all of last season without bringing in someone to take his place. As head coach, I would have waived Chris Brown the RB and picked up a kicker...then I would keep Kris Brown the kicker ACTIVATED as well as ACTIVATE the new kicker, making Kris Brown sit and watch and attempting to give the new kicker the gameday reps. Without anybody there to help the team out, Kris Brown drowned himself AND this team's playoff hopes. And Kubiak did nothing. He enabled it all. Period. The roster decisions have been dubious. Slow to act, that's the tag I put on Kubiak. Slaton ALL year long as our kickoff returner. Seirously? Wow.

Thirdly, there is a coach out there that I believe has to be sitting and watching our game(s) and thinking to himself, "How is this team NOT 11-2 right now?" We have the tools. But the biggest "tool" of all is the guy managing this whole fiasco right now.

My thoughts on last night's game? Oh, it was splendid. Wonderful! I was ecstatic to see the same thing play out for like, what, the fourth time this season? With the same predictable ending. And the same predictable posts by the same people who are IGC around here.

More, please! (whack!) May I have another? (whack) Thank you. (whack)....

Lol... This will be fun, I see the "Fire Kubiak Soap" Question for you. Did they have "our number" to you? Was it Kubiaks fault we dropped so many passed when open? As far as defensive scheme goes... thats coaching. However, Is it the coaches fault they couldnt tackle a WATER BUFFALO when given the opportunity? And for the record... Im not happy and havent been happy with our record or defensive performance, but I never was on the "Fire Kubiak" wagon. Im down to fire Frank Bush still but I like Kubiak.

HardKnockTexan
12-14-2010, 09:28 AM
WHY THE HELL DID KUBIAK NOT RUN THE DAMN BALL IN OT!?!?!?! No, I'm not proud. I'm sick of fighting the good fight and coming up short.

HoustonFrog
12-14-2010, 09:31 AM
Lol... This will be fun, I see the "Fire Kubiak Soap" Question for you. Did they have "our number" to you? Was it Kubiaks fault we dropped so many passed when open? As far as defensive scheme goes... thats coaching. However, Is it the coaches fault they couldnt tackle a WATER BUFFALO when given the opportunity? And for the record... Im not happy and havent been happy with our record or defensive performance, but I never was on the "Fire Kubiak" wagon. Im down to fire Frank Bush still but I like Kubiak.

Tackling and things like go back to coaching..always. Players make plays but practicing in an environment where reps and concentration are key leads to solid play in the games. Kubiak never is prepared to start games. Players are never in position to start games. The same dumb mistakes rear their heads weekly. That comes from practice and game planning...coaching. Also, he picked these guys making the mistakes. 5 years. How can anyone want the guy back. He is barely passable as an OC.

The title of this thread is what is wrong with things around here....proud of what?

buddyboy
12-14-2010, 09:32 AM
I could refute every point you made, but I'm just tired of re-hashing the same arguments. Bottom line is that you are wrong.

Haha, how very high and mighty of you.

Honestly, I'm proud to be a Texans fan. You know what else? I'm in pain and I'm reaching insanity with the way these fools are playing, but I'm still proud to be a fan.

No, it's not the prettiest season we've had. No, we're not playing to our potential. But I've always rooted for the Texans and I most likely always will.

I rooted for them in the 2-14 debaucle. I rooted for them when Kris Brown shanked the field goal against the 49ers. I have nothing personally against the players and the coaches; quite the opposite.

Maybe it's finally becoming detached from this season now that we know we're completely out of the playoff run. Don't get me wrong, I want Kubiak fired, but all the same, I'm proud to be a Texan fan. We lost. Boohoo. Guess what, we're gonna lose again. But last night's game had a lot of personal performances that I feel like I can be proud of, even though we ended up losing.

We can beat up on the team, we can call for the job of the head coach, but are any of you guys really ASHAMED to be a Texans fan?

TexansBlood
12-14-2010, 09:34 AM
Proud of another mediocre season?

I think not!

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 09:35 AM
Hell, did anybody even notice that we would have won the game on the last Touchdown drive Schaub had If we converted the pass were jacoby jones was open in the endzone and dropped the ball, and the pass were Kevin Walter had part of his knee out of bounds in the endzone. Instead, We had to settle for 2 Field goals. That gave us 6 instead of 14 which is why we were down by 8.

Blake
12-14-2010, 09:41 AM
Hell, did anybody even notice that we would have won the game on the last Touchdown drive Schaub had If we converted the pass were jacoby jones was open in the endzone and dropped the ball, and the pass were Kevin Walter had part of his knee out of bounds in the endzone. Instead, We had to settle for 2 Field goals. That gave us 6 instead of 14 which is why we were down by 8.

Lol. You think that the Texans would have played the same way with the lead? If they needed 3 points, they would have played for 3 points. Had they needed 8 points, they would play for 8.

You cant just take what happened and fit it into another scenario!

chicagotexan2
12-14-2010, 09:43 AM
It was exciting to see my team come back, but I am not proud.

GP
12-14-2010, 09:43 AM
Hell, did anybody even notice that we would have won the game on the last Touchdown drive Schaub had If we converted the pass were jacoby jones was open in the endzone and dropped the ball, and the pass were Kevin Walter had part of his knee out of bounds in the endzone. Instead, We had to settle for 2 Field goals. That gave us 6 instead of 14 which is why we were down by 8.

Once again, you skew your thought process toward "What if" which is a symptom of IGC.

With IGC, you are ruled by little moments such as what you described.

Well hell, man, "what if" the special teams had not goofed up and had four guys miss a tackle and allow a returned kick for a TD?

"What if" Kubiak/Dennison had kept their cool in OT and put forth a better series of plays than the series of plays that led to THE easiest interception and return for a TD I think I have ever seen in my life? We should have just put in Orlovsky and had him run into the back of the end zone and step on the chalk for the safety. Why even make that poor, tired and exhausted Ravens defensive back have to RUN with the ball to beat us?

You see, there is a part of us that would like to believe that this is certainly not a result of the "core" of our team--the coaches and their philosophies--being inept and unable to do the right things.

Some people (Kubiak) are good at certain things. I have never denied this. But people also have limits. A great coach is a man who surrounds himself with the people who excel in the areas he himself is insufficient in. I have always had the sense that Kubiak is scared to surround himself with capable people because he knows that they could outshine him and get his job. I think Kubiak has a lot of fear. He can't watch critical plays. He sat behind John Elway and probably hasn't fully recovered from that scar, either.

I give up here. I really do. This is painful to sit here and continue to do this.

Scooter
12-14-2010, 09:45 AM
likewise, i'm proud that this team has not and will not roll over like so many others. for the flaws in youth, coaching, talent, and their bad luck ... i doubt many will argue that the 11 arent trying like hell. that doesnt make it any easier to deal with as fans, especially since we should be atleast an 8 win team at this point, but it is what everyone wants from their football team. losing is inexcusable, and those most responsible need to be held accountable (coaching staff), but if there's a silver lining it's this. mario's barely upright but going in on major downs, andre's the best receiver in the NFL despite a high ankle sprain that should have him resting a month (a month ago), and quinn's out there giving anquan boldin all he wants with a broken hand.

after the jacksonville dumb luck hail mary we could've rolled over for the dominant jets. no, we fought and clawed and overtook the jets only to lose on talent. we could've rolled over for the eagles after two heartbreakers, but no we fought and clawed and kept pace with and then overtook the much more talented and insanely better coached eagles. we could've rolled over with the season basically over, especially after the ravens jumped out early, especially after they returned the kickoff to take a 21pt lead, but we fought and clawed and caught the ravens, only to again be left broken hearted.

a record setting 4 heartbreakers in a row and who here thinks we'll sit out the rest of the season? for better or worse, our guys are still going to try like hell.

that being said, we ended this game with 1 player NOT fighting. whichever receiver was outside on the play side (walter?) walked his route and it was his man who made the interception. his route should've had him near or at the sideline when that ball was thrown, instead his DB was able to slide over the slot route. one player (a receiver who wasnt even targetted) decided to coast with the game on the line, and was the end for everyone else.

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 09:46 AM
Lol. You think that the Texans would have played the same way with the lead? If they needed 3 points, they would have played for 3 points. Had they needed 8 points, they would play for 8.

You cant just take what happened and fit it into another scenario!

I can admitt that thats probably true. Even so... That just means that on our last drive of the 4th quarter, we're kicking a field goal for the WIN instead of 8 points for a chance at OT

GP
12-14-2010, 09:51 AM
I can admitt that thats probably true. Even so... That just means that on our last drive of the 4th quarter, we're kicking a field goal for the WIN instead of 8 points for a chance at OT

Again, it's the "What if" with you.

Good teams don't have "What if" situations to think about after the game is over.

They have "I damn sure know" in their arsenal.

Huge difference.

We'll always be "What If'ing" with Kubiak as our HC. It's the nature of things.

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 09:53 AM
While all of the criticism is warranted, I've never thought they weren't trying their hardest. I've never questioned that.

However, that isn't something that should be pointed out and praised, that should be the standard and what is expected.

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 10:02 AM
While all of the criticism is warranted, I've never thought they weren't trying their hardest. I've never questioned that.

However, that isn't something that should be pointed out and praised, that should be the standard and what is expected.

True... Everyone else is wanting to fire the coach for all misfortune no matter what. I guess, that Im affraid that thinks could EASILY be worse with someone else as a head coach. You get a better defense but what if your offensive weapons go to $#!% under his methods. And when you DO find yourself down in a game, you can fight your way out of paper napkin offensively. I desperatly want to see wins under kubiak for what we all know hes capable of.

Showtime100
12-14-2010, 10:06 AM
True... Everyone else is wanting to fire the coach for all misfortune no matter what. I guess, that Im affraid that thinks could EASILY be worse with someone else as a head coach. You get a better defense but what if your offensive weapons go to $#!% under his methods. And when you DO find yourself down in a game, you can fight your way out of paper napkin offensively. I desperatly want to see wins under kubiak for what we all know hes capable of.

LOL! :spit: 5-8 and you don't want to screw things up. :mariopalm:

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 10:09 AM
True... Everyone else is wanting to fire the coach for all misfortune no matter what. I guess, that Im affraid that thinks could EASILY be worse with someone else as a head coach. You get a better defense but what if your offensive weapons go to $#!% under his methods. And when you DO find yourself down in a game, you can fight your way out of paper napkin offensively. I desperatly want to see wins under kubiak for what we all know hes capable of.

He hasn't shown that he is capable of anything. WE DO NOT HAVE A GREAT OFFENSE!! Great offenses control the ball for the ENTIRE GAME.

Could the next coach be a failure as well? Of course. But I'll take the unknown over the known in this case, since the known has shown that he can't produce.

I don't understand how someone can have a "but what if it's worse with the next guy" attitude. That is a total puss attitude. You could also die in a car wreck today. Does that keep you from going out?

Scooter
12-14-2010, 10:21 AM
LOL! :spit: 5-8 and you don't want to screw things up. :mariopalm:

we're the #9 scoring offense (not just empty yards), have the #1 rusher and #1 receiver in the league, a top 5 red zone offense, and a team who's perfect on 3rd downs of a yard or less. with the lightest weight offensive line in the NFL, yeah there are very real reasons to be hesitant about screwing that up.

dont get me wrong, despite being a "sunshiner" i am very much done defending kubiak. that being said, it seems like a lot of folks have taken the detroit lions' mentality of grass being greener ... change for the sake of change = a better chance. teams quick to change without a direction prove over and over that yes, it can be worse.

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 10:25 AM
He hasn't shown that he is capable of anything. WE DO NOT HAVE A GREAT OFFENSE!! Great offenses control the ball for the ENTIRE GAME.

Could the next coach be a failure as well? Of course. But I'll take the unknown over the known in this case, since the known has shown that he can't produce.

I don't understand how someone can have a "but what if it's worse with the next guy" attitude. That is a total puss attitude. You could also die in a car wreck today. Does that keep you from going out?

We can agree to disagree

I just know that the grass isnt always greener on the other side.
It is taking some time to get this team to where it is now. Its not THAT far at all... But is there a set time.... He HAS made progression every year EXCEPT this 1

Bigbots_02
12-14-2010, 10:32 AM
we're the #9 scoring offense (not just empty yards), have the #1 rusher and #1 receiver in the league, a top 5 red zone offense, and a team who's perfect on 3rd downs of a yard or less. with the lightest weight offensive line in the NFL, yeah there are very real reasons to be hesitant about screwing that up.

dont get me wrong, despite being a "sunshiner" i am very much done defending kubiak. that being said, it seems like a lot of folks have taken the detroit lions' mentality of grass being greener ... change for the sake of change = a better chance. teams quick to change without a direction prove over and over that yes, it can be worse.

And their not were they are just because they ARE number 1... (well... maybe andre "beast man" Johnson is) as much as people dont want to realize it... That TOO is part of coaching. And thats a really good statement. If you have a PLAN thats better and your not just doing it just because... then go for it. But yes, It could be worse because Offensively... We are well above average.

SheTexan
12-14-2010, 10:35 AM
WHY THE HELL DID KUBIAK NOT RUN THE DAMN BALL IN OT!?!?!?! No, I'm not proud. I'm sick of fighting the good fight and coming up short.


^^^^^^ This!!

Failure? Fault? Lies with the entire team IMHO! ALL year they've had it in their head that they only have to play 1-2 quarters to win a football game. Well, maybe they learned a HARD lesson and found out that football does NOT work that way!! My old ticker can't take much more of this 4th quarter last minute crap they've pulled this year! Lady Luck hates us, that's for sure!!!

Showtime100
12-14-2010, 10:38 AM
we're the #9 scoring offense (not just empty yards), have the #1 rusher and #1 receiver in the league, a top 5 red zone offense, and a team who's perfect on 3rd downs of a yard or less. with the lightest weight offensive line in the NFL, yeah there are very real reasons to be hesitant about screwing that up.

dont get me wrong, despite being a "sunshiner" i am very much done defending kubiak. that being said, it seems like a lot of folks have taken the detroit lions' mentality of grass being greener ... change for the sake of change = a better chance. teams quick to change without a direction prove over and over that yes, it can be worse.

I hear you and agree somewhat with what you say. However I think the offense would be better without him. I don't look at what we are so much as what I think we could be. Just for the record, I want Kubes out because he sucks as a head coach. I thought it 4 years ago and the proof is in the pudding. He makes horrible in-game decisions that costs Houston crucial wins each year (IMO). Some might want change for the sake of it, but I'm not one of them.

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 10:39 AM
I just know that the grass isnt always greener on the other side.


That is a chance that most of us are willing to take.

I would rather a team strive for success and fail, than settle for being average and hoping for improvement, despite their being no evidence that improvement is a reasonable expectation as things currently stand.

Showtime100
12-14-2010, 10:42 AM
There is no grass where I'm standing. There's a lot of shit to fertilize the yard, but all I'm getting from that is a bad smell.

TexCanada
12-14-2010, 10:57 AM
If we were to pull one positive out of this game and many other ones like it this season, it would be that we have a group of guys who simply do not quit. I like that in a team. It makes me think that with some improved gameday preparation and improved playcalling that we could make the playoffs and further. A Gruden or a Cowher could work wonders with this team.

Scooter
12-14-2010, 11:33 AM
I hear you and agree somewhat with what you say. However I think the offense would be better without him. I don't look at what we are so much as what I think we could be. Just for the record, I want Kubes out because he sucks as a head coach. I thought it 4 years ago and the proof is in the pudding. He makes horrible in-game decisions that costs Houston crucial wins each year (IMO). Some might want change for the sake of it, but I'm not one of them.

i wont argue most of that ... like i said i'm done defending kubiak, but i'm 99% sure that the offense wont be better without kubiak. andre's a man-beast. foster might be priest holmes or he might be steve slaton. schaub's a top 15ish quarterback. leach is a monstrosity. what else is there? we have the smallest offensive line in the nfl. castoffs, late rounders, prospects, and minor salaries dominate our offense ... yet each season we hang our hat on the offense.

kubiak's a mastermind, dont ever doubt that, and he will get effort out of his players as we've always proven. he's of the shanahan school though ... "my people doing things my way when i tell them to and how i decide". same as shanahan being run out of denver, mcnair needs to decide who's in charge. either it's a new head coach, or it's the owner forcing his head coach to be a head coach instead of the alpha and omega.

cdollaz
12-14-2010, 11:37 AM
i wont argue most of that ... like i said i'm done defending kubiak, but i'm 99% sure that the offense wont be better without kubiak. andre's a man-beast. foster might be priest holmes or he might be steve slaton. schaub's a top 15ish quarterback. leach is a monstrosity. what else is there? we have the smallest offensive line in the nfl. castoffs, late rounders, prospects, and minor salaries dominate our offense ... yet each season we hang our hat on the offense.

kubiak's a mastermind, dont ever doubt that, and he will get effort out of his players as we've always proven. he's of the shanahan school though ... "my people doing things my way when i tell them to and how i decide". same as shanahan being run out of denver, mcnair needs to decide who's in charge. either it's a new head coach, or it's the owner forcing his head coach to be a head coach instead of the alpha and omega.

I think "mastermind" is a silly word to use to describe Kubiak. If he was a mastermind, we would be consistently controlling the ball.

Thorn
12-14-2010, 11:42 AM
There is no grass where I'm standing. There's a lot of shit to fertilize the yard, but all I'm getting from that is a bad smell.

LOL Showtime, a very apt analogy.

GP
12-14-2010, 11:53 AM
Lol... This will be fun, I see the "Fire Kubiak Soap" Question for you. Did they have "our number" to you? Was it Kubiaks fault we dropped so many passed when open? As far as defensive scheme goes... thats coaching. However, Is it the coaches fault they couldnt tackle a WATER BUFFALO when given the opportunity? And for the record... Im not happy and havent been happy with our record or defensive performance, but I never was on the "Fire Kubiak" wagon. Im down to fire Frank Bush still but I like Kubiak.

I have said enough.

Others are echoing or are even stating the same thing(s) but stating it differently.

We've easily reached a tipping point as fans (on this board) but a few hold out hope. Go down with the ship if you wish. There's lots of room still available in the lifeboats, though.

Thorn
12-14-2010, 11:57 AM
There's lots of room still available in the lifeboats, though.

Do yall have pizza? I'd sell off the entire coaching staff, GM, and about half the players for a slice of pizza and a coke. LOL

BigBull17
12-14-2010, 11:58 AM
The worst part is when he threw the pick, my fiancee, my buddy, and myself all kinda shrugged. I was 0% shocked.

Scooter
12-14-2010, 12:02 PM
edit: drunk

DexmanC
12-14-2010, 01:51 PM
Hell, did anybody even notice that we would have won the game on the last Touchdown drive Schaub had If we converted the pass were jacoby jones was open in the endzone and dropped the ball, and the pass were Kevin Walter had part of his knee out of bounds in the endzone. Instead, We had to settle for 2 Field goals. That gave us 6 instead of 14 which is why we were down by 8.

Hit shappens, son. Playoff teams MAKE the plays to WIN.

hradhak
12-14-2010, 02:23 PM
It's good to know that we have the ability to play well, even if it is for a first half. This season is gone, but with a new head coach we need to convert to a team that can play that well for a full game. If we can put up 21 pts in BOTH halves of a game, we can be as dominant as the Patriots are.