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gary
12-11-2010, 07:20 PM
Per ESPN.

Ole Miss Texan
12-11-2010, 07:24 PM
Associated Press is reporting it too.

Rough season for longhorn fans. I feel their domination in the Big 12 is over. A&M coming on strong, shift in the powers.

gary
12-11-2010, 07:26 PM
I am shocked.

Carr Bombed
12-11-2010, 07:28 PM
Associated Press is reporting it too.

Rough season for longhorn fans. I feel their domination in the Big 12 is over. A&M coming on strong, shift in the powers.

Texas isn't going anywhere. They still get top recruiting classes year after year......all they had was a down year. They have been so consistently good that when they have one bad year everybody acts like it's doom and gloom when it's not.

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 07:28 PM
I bet we wanted more of a say in who the Offensive Coordinator was(as he was the COW) and did not get to offer more input.

Mr teX
12-11-2010, 07:29 PM
Associated Press is reporting it too.

Rough season for longhorn fans. I feel their domination in the Big 12 is over. A&M coming on strong, shift in the powers.

We can only hope.:evil:

Carr Bombed
12-11-2010, 07:32 PM
We can only hope.:evil:

:)

Like my grandfather used to say...... **** in one hand and want in the other and see which one fills up faster.

ThaShark316
12-11-2010, 07:34 PM
This is ****in ridiculous.

gary
12-11-2010, 07:39 PM
Brown should leave while things are going down hill.

Texan_Bill
12-11-2010, 08:04 PM
Funny thing is that all those same sources were reporting earlier today, that Bob Stoops was going to Florida. I'll believe it when I see ink on a contract. Call me a cynic, but whatever.

FirstTexansFan
12-11-2010, 08:10 PM
Well the Chronic is reporting it now.

Link Here (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texas/7335373.html)

gary
12-11-2010, 08:18 PM
Well the Chronic is reporting it now.

Link Here (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/texas/7335373.html)
That does for me. Turth. LOL

Dutchrudder
12-11-2010, 08:20 PM
Wow, sounds good to me. Looks like the Aggies will gig 'em next year too :D

gary
12-11-2010, 08:26 PM
I am a little mad about this being a UT supporter somewhat.

MojoMan
12-11-2010, 08:28 PM
I do not recall the "head coach in waiting" angle being tried by any team before the Texas Longhorns. It was a nice superficial effort, but clearly the results are in and this sort of posturing is as lacking in substance as many initially feared that it would be.

In any case, Will Muschamp was a stellar defensive coordinator for the Texans Longhorns who is certainly worthy of being considered as one of the premier head coaching candidates in the NCAA. This is a great opportunity for him and his family that is well deserved. I wish him the best.

I just hope that Mack Brown can replace both Will Muschamp and Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis with someone who is comparable in quality with Will Mushcamp, who unlike Greg Davis was truly exceptional with regards to his overall accomplishments at the University of Texas.

Good luck, Will.

gary
12-11-2010, 08:30 PM
I do not recall the "head coach in waiting" angle being tried by any team before the Texas Longhorns. It was a nice superficial effort, but clearly the results are in and this sort of posturing is as lacking in substance as many initially believed feared that it was.

In any case, Will Muschamp was a stellar defensive coordinator for the Texans Longhorns who is certainly worthy of being considered as one of the premier head coaching candidates in the NCAA. This is a great opportunity for him and his family that is well deserved. I wish him the best.

And I hope that Mack Brown can replace both him and Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis with someone who is comparable in ability with Will Mushcamp, who unlike Greg Davis, was exceptional in his overall accomplishments at the University of Texas.

Good luck, Will.
I agree Mojo.

JB
12-11-2010, 08:41 PM
I do not recall the "head coach in waiting" angle being tried by any team before the Texas Longhorns. It was a nice superficial effort, but clearly the results are in and this sort of posturing is as lacking in substance as many initially feared that it would be.

In any case, Will Muschamp was a stellar defensive coordinator for the Texans Longhorns who is certainly worthy of being considered as one of the premier head coaching candidates in the NCAA. This is a great opportunity for him and his family that is well deserved. I wish him the best.

I just hope that Mack Brown can replace both Will Muschamp and Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis with someone who is comparable in quality with Will Mushcamp, who unlike Greg Davis was truly exceptional with regards to his overall accomplishments at the University of Texas.

Good luck, Will.

Didn't Florida State do the head coach in waiting bit?

Stemp
12-11-2010, 08:47 PM
Didn't Florida State do the head coach in waiting bit?
Yeah, but Bowden was already older than dirt.

JB
12-11-2010, 08:52 PM
Yeah, but Bowden was already older than dirt.

Sorry, I didn't see that clarifier in there...

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 08:56 PM
I do not recall the "head coach in waiting" angle being tried by any team before the Texas Longhorns. It was a nice superficial effort, but clearly the results are in and this sort of posturing is as lacking in substance as many initially feared that it would be.

In any case, Will Muschamp was a stellar defensive coordinator for the Texans Longhorns who is certainly worthy of being considered as one of the premier head coaching candidates in the NCAA. This is a great opportunity for him and his family that is well deserved. I wish him the best.

I just hope that Mack Brown can replace both Will Muschamp and Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis with someone who is comparable in quality with Will Mushcamp, who unlike Greg Davis was truly exceptional with regards to his overall accomplishments at the University of Texas.

Good luck, Will.

Florida State had one in Jimbo Fisher. In 2007 Fisher became the CIW to Bobby Bowden. Bowden retired last December. So, this was Fisher's first full year as coach. So, Fisher was CIW for 2 years.

That said, I would like to see Boise State OC Bryan Harsin come in as the new OC (#2 scoring offense in the country) and for Mack to go out and hire TCU DC Dick Bumpas to be the DC (#1 in points in points surrendered on Defense).

ChampionTexan
12-11-2010, 09:06 PM
According to Geoff Ketchum of Orangebloods.com, it looks like he's taking Major Applewhite with him.

LINK (http://twitter.com/gkketch/status/13777384977207296)

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 09:09 PM
According to Geoff Ketchum of Orangebloods.com, it looks like he's taking Major Applewhite with him.

LINK (http://twitter.com/gkketch/status/13777384977207296)

I am not surprised. I think Major saw that he was not going to be hired for OC and wanted to go where he could be.

IDEXAN
12-11-2010, 09:11 PM
Why were guys going to UT to play ball ? Whatever the reason they got the best players, but who really knows if Muschamp or even the HC can coach ?
Somebody could recruit, but could anybody coach ?
This was a smart move by Muschamp though - he appears to have survivor instincts ?

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 09:12 PM
The fact that Applewhite is out tells me that Boise State OC Bryan Harsin may be the new OC.

I hope UT does not lose too many recruits to Florida.

Rey
12-11-2010, 09:14 PM
I did not expect Muschamp to sit around and wait forever.

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 09:18 PM
I did not expect Muschamp to sit around and wait forever.

No, but I thought he would stick around another year or two.

gary
12-11-2010, 09:22 PM
I did too.

Doppelganger
12-11-2010, 10:00 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Muschamp left Florida when Mack retires and came back to Texas?!

Now THAT would be hilarious!!!

Ranger Tom
12-11-2010, 10:23 PM
According to Geoff Ketchum of Orangebloods.com, it looks like he's taking Major Applewhite with him.

LINK (http://twitter.com/gkketch/status/13777384977207296)

Shaggy Bevo must be a lot of fun to read right now. I think I'll check it out.

eriadoc
12-11-2010, 11:14 PM
UT just said he was a Head Coach in Waiting. They just had the school wrong. :)

NitroGSXR
12-11-2010, 11:20 PM
Damn. I was kinda hoping he'd latch onto the Texans defensive side...

Blake
12-12-2010, 09:46 AM
The only shocking thing about this entire story is that they didnt interview anyone else but Muschamp. Not interested in Chris Peterson? OK!

I didnt think Muschamp would leave if Mack was leaving anytime soon. So that tells me that Mack is here for a while.

You cant expect Muschamp to pass up this gig. I mean its Florida. Just as good a program as Texas.

bah007
12-12-2010, 11:28 AM
Florida St did the Head Coach in Waiting, as someone already mentioned.

Kentucky also did it. Joker Phillips is in his first year as successor, I believe.

Maryland is also doing it. New guy becomes coach next year, I think.

Ranger Tom
12-12-2010, 11:48 AM
Texas Tech men's basketball also had a "head coach designate." We're not sure he'll be here next season, though.

Yankee_In_TX
12-12-2010, 12:25 PM
Someone told me at a Christmas party last night. I did NOT see that coming, but who can blame him? Head coach of a powerhouse program or 'coach in waiting?'

mexican_texan
12-12-2010, 12:27 PM
Associated Press is reporting it too.

Rough season for longhorn fans. I feel their domination in the Big 12 is over. A&M coming on strong, shift in the powers.
It figures UT is going downhill just as I look to transfer there.

However, A&M isn't going to take their place as the dominant power. It's going to be Oklahoma State and T. Boone Pickens.

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 12:41 PM
It figures UT is going downhill just as I look to transfer there.

However, A&M isn't going to take their place as the dominant power. It's going to be Oklahoma State and T. Boone Pickens.

UT isnt going downhill. Being the Def or OC for UT is still a premier job. I think Mack will make 2 good hires and UT will be back to form before we know it.

Texecutioner
12-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Devastating news for Texas fans. This will probably make Mack stick around longer now which is a huge blow. Muschamp's going to take Applewhite with him from what I hear and if Applewhite has that offense playing great at Florida it's going to really make Texas look stupid for wasting this kid as a coach especially after they wasted him as a QB.

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 01:56 PM
Devastating news for Texas fans. This will probably make Mack stick around longer now which is a huge blow. Muschamp's going to take Applewhite with him from what I hear and if Applewhite has that offense playing great at Florida it's going to really make Texas look stupid for wasting this kid as a coach especially after they wasted him as a QB.

Bad news for sure, but not necessarily devastating. If Mack can bring in two big names and let them run their respective units, you may see a very fast turnaround. I like Mack's ability to recruit. If he can give the new OC the same latitude he gave Davis and Brown can bring in a high caliber coach, I will be very excited.

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 02:00 PM
Yeah, because Mack Brown is such a horrible coach....


Didn't Texas win a national championship without Will Muschamp? I'm a Texas fan and I don't really care if he stays or goes, it's the players that make that program successful and Mack Brown is one of the best recruiters in the country. He gets the kids and that's why he wins games. Texas loses the winningest QB in college football history and everybody acts like the sky is falling when they struggle. Texas isn't going anywhere. They can have their pick of the litter as far as defensive coaches go, because everybody wants to coach a defense that gets blue chip talent every year. Will Muschamp did not make Texas, the players do......They had dominant defenses before him and will after him.

ThaShark316
12-12-2010, 02:09 PM
Looks like randy shannon is the DC.:whip::aggressive::splits:

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 02:13 PM
Looks like randy shannon is the DC.:whip::aggressive::splits:

conjecture or report?

ThaShark316
12-12-2010, 02:41 PM
conjecture or report?

report but its sketchy at this point...so i'll hold off for now..

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 02:47 PM
report but its sketchy at this point...so i'll hold off for now..

Hmm. This could be a very interesting development. What do you think of Randy Shannon as a DC for Texas? Good move? Knee jerk move?

steelbtexan
12-12-2010, 02:54 PM
Hmm. This could be a very interesting development. What do you think of Randy Shannon as a DC for Texas? Good move? Knee jerk move?

Great move

Not much of a drop off from Muschamp to Shannon.

I'm glad that the hot bed of Fla recruiting is now open to UT.

Shannon is a great recruiter. I could see many UM players/recruits transfering to UT.

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 02:55 PM
great move

Blake
12-12-2010, 02:56 PM
Hmm. This could be a very interesting development. What do you think of Randy Shannon as a DC for Texas? Good move? Knee jerk move?

I dont really know much about Randy. I think the big splash will be with the OC.

During Shannon's six years as UM's defensive coordinator, his defenses ranked as follows in total defense nationally:
2001 - 6th
2002 - 7th
2003 - 2nd
2004 - 28th
2005 - 4th
2006 - 7th

Edit: Consensus seems to be that he is one hell of a DC, but not HC material.

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 02:57 PM
UPDATE (http://www.nationofblue.com/did-texas-steal-randy-shannon-4103/)

Recruitocosm 2:51pm via TweetDeck
We've been told that a number of recruits have been informed that Randy Shannon will be named the next defensive coordinator at Texas....

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 03:00 PM
OH NO!.....what will the poor Longhons do, they're finished LOL.

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 03:17 PM
I want the announcement to come today so that Shannon can get on the phone tomorrow morning to keep our recruits/potentially bring some in from Miami.

steelbtexan
12-12-2010, 04:17 PM
I want the announcement to come today so that Shannon can get on the phone tomorrow morning to keep our recruits/potentially bring some in from Miami.

This would be the perfect result.

Texecutioner
12-12-2010, 05:07 PM
Bad news for sure, but not necessarily devastating. If Mack can bring in two big names and let them run their respective units, you may see a very fast turnaround. I like Mack's ability to recruit. If he can give the new OC the same latitude he gave Davis and Brown can bring in a high caliber coach, I will be very excited.

No doubt. They'll probably hire some great coaches, but Muschamp is a guy that I'm huge fan of and I was looking very forward to him being the next HC here. He's my kind of coach and he's going to keep Florida at the top for a very long time. Losing Muschamp for the long haul is a big blow to me as a fan. He was the best and hardest working recruiter on the Texas staff as well along with Applewhite.

Doppelganger
12-12-2010, 05:18 PM
No doubt. They'll probably hire some great coaches, but Muschamp is a guy that I'm huge fan of and I was looking very forward to him being the next HC here. He's my kind of coach and he's going to keep Florida at the top for a very long time. Losing Muschamp for the long haul is a big blow to me as a fan. He was the best and hardest working recruiter on the Texas staff as well along with Applewhite.

What do you think of the reports circling that Randy Shannon will step into the DC role?

bah007
12-12-2010, 07:23 PM
What do you think of the reports circling that Randy Shannon will step into the DC role?

Supposedly true. He is a good friend of Mack Brown's and was Texas' first choice for DC back in 07. But he took the Miami job and Texas took Muschamp.

Texecutioner
12-12-2010, 07:29 PM
What do you think of the reports circling that Randy Shannon will step into the DC role?

It's a good hire, but he's no Muschamp if you ask me. I'm more worried about the fact that this will probably keep Mack Brown around longer now which is always a liability to the Longhorns with that guy running your team. I was hoping that the only reason why Muschamp had stuck around as long as he did was because he had a clear time table as to when Mack was going to retire behind closed doors. Muschamp is going to be one of those next top dogs in college football like Saban, Stoops, and Meyer became. The guy is a hard working recruiter and brings intensity to the entire team. Regardless of who we get as assistants right now, we'll be stuck with Mack Brown longer most likely and who knows who will be the next HC after that. I'd prefer a guy like Leach if he could ever make defense a priority.

Texan_Bill
12-12-2010, 07:58 PM
I do not recall the "head coach in waiting" angle being tried by any team before the Texas Longhorns. It was a nice superficial effort, but clearly the results are in and this sort of posturing is as lacking in substance as many initially feared that it would be.

In any case, Will Muschamp was a stellar defensive coordinator for the Texans Longhorns who is certainly worthy of being considered as one of the premier head coaching candidates in the NCAA. This is a great opportunity for him and his family that is well deserved. I wish him the best.

I just hope that Mack Brown can replace both Will Muschamp and Offensive Coordinator Greg Davis with someone who is comparable in quality with Will Mushcamp, who unlike Greg Davis was truly exceptional with regards to his overall accomplishments at the University of Texas.

Good luck, Will.

Didn't Florida State do the head coach in waiting bit?

Florida State had one in Jimbo Fisher. In 2007 Fisher became the CIW to Bobby Bowden. Bowden retired last December. So, this was Fisher's first full year as coach. So, Fisher was CIW for 2 years.

That said, I would like to see Boise State OC Bryan Harsin come in as the new OC (#2 scoring offense in the country) and for Mack to go out and hire TCU DC Dick Bumpas to be the DC (#1 in points in points surrendered on Defense).

Doppelganger is correct. Jimbo Fisher was named "Head Coach in Waiting", long before Muschamp ever was.

El Tejano
12-12-2010, 10:57 PM
Associated Press is reporting it too.

Rough season for longhorn fans. I feel their domination in the Big 12 is over. A&M coming on strong, shift in the powers.

Eh...A&M is kind of a Houston team so it wont every shift entirely. Plus Kubiak went there.

Showtime100
12-12-2010, 11:20 PM
Eh...A&M is kind of a Houston team so it wont every shift entirely. Plus Kubiak went there.

As a Cougar fan I disagree, if not resent that. I would bet A&M folks feel the same way, good times.

I also am beginning to wonder about Florida. Muschamp isn't what I see as HC material at a bigtime program.

Just an opinion Texas, not hating on you. (Stupid I feel I need to say that)

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 11:24 PM
It's a good hire, but he's no Muschamp if you ask me. I'm more worried about the fact that this will probably keep Mack Brown around longer now which is always a liability to the Longhorns with that guy running your team. I was hoping that the only reason why Muschamp had stuck around as long as he did was because he had a clear time table as to when Mack was going to retire behind closed doors. Muschamp is going to be one of those next top dogs in college football like Saban, Stoops, and Meyer became. The guy is a hard working recruiter and brings intensity to the entire team. Regardless of who we get as assistants right now, we'll be stuck with Mack Brown longer most likely and who knows who will be the next HC after that. I'd prefer a guy like Leach if he could ever make defense a priority.

LOL and what is wrong with Mack Brown?


Name the amount of coaches in college football who have won more games than Mack Brown during his time at Texas....that guy is anything but a liability. Mack Brown can remain the head coach as long as he wants to.

Also, when did Will Muschamp become irreplaceable? His defense was nothing special this season, he basically only had one good year at Texas. I'm actually more excited about Randy Shannon who is just as good of a recruiter as Will Muschamp is.

Texecutioner
12-12-2010, 11:37 PM
LOL and what is wrong with Mack Brown?

Come on CB. You're a guy that I would expect not to be fooled by a guy like Mack Brown. One of the dumbest game day coaches I've ever witnessed in my history of watching football. Worse than Kubes actually. The guy is a great recruiter, but has been more loyal to GD and certain players than to his own team's success. I could go back years and years to provide examples. Mack was out of a job until VY saved it when he arrived and everyone knows that. Before VY got there, he was known as the most under achieving coach in the NCAA. The Sooner fans still love the guy. Mack's padded his record off of playing teams with waaaaay less talent than what he's got to work with. Texas has been way ahead of every team other than Oklahoma as far as talent goes and the Big 12 has't been anything to be afraid of other than that one season two years ago. Remember when Mack Brown was known as the guy who couldn't ever win the big one?? VY's heroics changed that persona. Mack is the typical HC that does less with more instead of more with less.


Name the amount of coaches in college football who have won more games than Mack Brown during his time at Texas....that guy is anything but a liability. Mack Brown can remain the head coach as long as he wants

And without a great DC like a Muschamp who can provide a ton of grit to this team and intensity that Mack and Davis never could bring to the players or a dynamic player like a VY to put the team on his back, Texas will most likely never win a NC again until Mack retires and a better HC comes in.



Also, when did Will Muschamp become irreplaceable? His defense was nothing special this season, he basically only had one good year at Texas. I'm actually more excited about Randy Shannon who is just as good of a recruiter as Will Muschamp is.

His defense didn't do as well because the offense could never keep them off the field and sustain drives. They also put the defense in horrible position all of the time to the point that it demoralized them by the end of the season. Hard to stay as a top tier unit when your offense is so bad and your HC refuses to even see what the other QB's can do. Muschamp is a fantastic DC doesn't pamper his players like he's their grandpa like Mack Brown does.

As much as I can't stand GD, Mack was a large part of the reason that GD's offense was as bad as it was. He constantly medaled with it and wanted to change an entire scheme without the personal to do it with.

Carr Bombed
12-12-2010, 11:53 PM
Come on CB. You're a guy that I would expect not to be fooled by a guy like Mack Brown. One of the dumbest game day coaches I've ever witnessed in my history of watching football. Worse than Kubes actually. The guy is a great recruiter, but has been more loyal to GD and certain players than to his own team's success. I could go back years and years to provide examples. Mack was out of a job until VY saved it when he arrived and everyone knows that. Before VY got there, he was known as the most under achieving coach in the NCAA. The Sooner fans still love the guy. Mack's padded his record off of playing teams with waaaaay less talent than what he's got to work with. Texas has been way ahead of every team other than Oklahoma as far as talent goes and the Big 12 has't been anything to be afraid of other than that one season two years ago. Remember when Mack Brown was known as the guy who couldn't ever win the big one?? VY's heroics changed that persona. Mack is the typical HC that does less with more instead of more with less.

In the past 5 years alone........he's won a national championship, was a bullcrap conference tie breaker rule from appearing in another national championship game, and made it to another national championship game, which he lost because his QB got knocked out of the game.

Sorry, but that's where you lose me......results are results and Mack Brown has produced more results than just about every other coach in the country. He can stay at Texas as long as he keeps winning and one down year does not make him a crappy coach.




And without a great DC like a Muschamp who can provide a ton of grit to this team and intensity that Mack and Davis never could bring to the players or a dynamic player like a VY to put the team on his back, Texas will most likely never win a NC again until Mack retires and a better HC comes in.

VY didn't single handedly win that championship game. I seem to remember a certain 4th & 2 play and a great game by Michael Huff as well as other players that Mack recruited.......didn't Mack Brow also recruit VY?

And when did Muschamp become this "GREAT DC". We had a great year when he had talent, when the talent left his defense was average. I'm not saying that he wasn't a good coach, because he was and he deserves a shot. I just don't think that he's irreplaceable......especially at a school like Texas where you can always attract great coaching. I actually think Randy Shannon will be a better coach (because he has a better track record) and he's just as good of a recruiter.





His defense didn't do as well because the offense could never keep them off the field and sustain drives. They also put the defense in horrible position all of the time to the point that it demoralized them by the end of the season. Hard to stay as a top tier unit when your offense is so bad and your HC refuses to even see what the other QB's can do. Muschamp is a fantastic DC doesn't pamper his players like he's their grandpa like Mack Brown does.

As much as I can't stand GD, Mack was a large part of the reason that GD's offense was as bad as it was. He constantly medaled with it and wanted to change an entire scheme without the personal to do it with.

The problem with the defense can't be solely blamed on the offense.... LOL, remember the UCLA game?

There has been plenty of dominant defensive teams that had bad offenses. Nebraska has had a few of those teams the last couple of seasons. The fact is that Muschamp's defense wasn't that dominant this season and it wasn't just because of the offense. They struggled, took a step back, and just about everybody moved the ball on them.

Ole Miss Texan
12-13-2010, 10:20 AM
Texas isn't going anywhere. They still get top recruiting classes year after year......all they had was a down year. They have been so consistently good that when they have one bad year everybody acts like it's doom and gloom when it's not.
I don't think Texas is finished by any means, I just think their dominance is beginning to fade. The other teams in the Bix XII south are becoming better, OU, A&M, OK. St., we'll see what Tubs can do in Tech. I see undefeated seasons or 1 loss seasons extremely unlikely for UT going forward.

They've had a great run. They just had a down year. They may even go to the Cotton Bowl or Holiday Bowl next year... I just think they're unlikely to go to another National Championship soon. They'll have their work cut out for them every year just to get to the Big XII championship game. They've had great recruiting classes and I think will continue to get top recruits, but the other teams are improving... starting to catch up too.

If they do go, despite my beliefs... more power to them. I'd be the first to say congrats and that they traveled a really tough path. I'm not rooting against them at all, I'm just telling it like I see it.

Going with the Boise OC and Shannon as DC would be huge boosts. How much longer is Mack going to be HC?

Mr teX
12-13-2010, 10:58 AM
In the past 5 years alone........he's won a national championship, was a bullcrap conference tie breaker rule from appearing in another national championship game, and made it to another national championship game, which he lost because his QB got knocked out of the game.

Sorry, but that's where you lose me......results are results and Mack Brown has produced more results than just about every other coach in the country. He can stay at Texas as long as he keeps winning and one down year does not make him a crappy coach.






VY didn't single handedly win that championship game. I seem to remember a certain 4th & 2 play and a great game by Michael Huff as well as other players that Mack recruited.......didn't Mack Brow also recruit VY?

And when did Muschamp become this "GREAT DC". We had a great year when he had talent, when the talent left his defense was average. I'm not saying that he wasn't a good coach, because he was and he deserves a shot. I just don't think that he's irreplaceable......especially at a school like Texas where you can always attract great coaching. I actually think Rany Shannon will be a better coach (because he has a better track record) and he's just as good of a recruiter.







The problem with the defense can't be solely blamed on the offense.... LOL, remember the UCLA game?

There has been plenty of dominant defensive teams that had bad offenses. Nebraska has had a few of those teams the last couple of seasons. The fact is that Muschamp's defense wasn't that dominant this season and it wasn't just because of the offense. They struggled, took a step back, and just about everybody moved the ball on them.

Come on CB, You know as well as i do that Brown likely doesn't win the NC without that kid's superman like efforts throughout the year & in the actual NC game. Yes, for arguments sake he literally didn't go out there 1 vs 11 & win it by himself but to attempt to downplay that dude's significance not only to that season but in mack brown's career is not being truthful about what made that team go & how that 1 season solidified Brown's career...& this is coming from someone who can't stand UT or VY. On top of all that, he still nearly screwed that up by not immediately incorporating packages in the offense to better utilize VY's talents....the zone read.

The fact that he's known across the NCAA as a great recruiter & not a great recruiter & coach speaks volumes.

Tex is correct in that he was always viewed as the guy who couldn't win the big one; not really sure how you can refute that. Its also just as likely that he's viewed the same way if VY doesn't put up arguably the greatest single game/season a qb has ever had.

Carr Bombed
12-13-2010, 04:15 PM
Come on CB, You know as well as i do that Brown likely doesn't win the NC without that kid's superman like efforts throughout the year & in the actual NC game. Yes, for arguments sake he literally didn't go out there 1 vs 11 & win it by himself but to attempt to downplay that dude's significance not only to that season but in mack brown's career is not being truthful about what made that team go & how that 1 season solidified Brown's career...& this is coming from someone who can't stand UT or VY. On top of all that, he still nearly screwed that up by not immediately incorporating packages in the offense to better utilize VY's talents....the zone read.

The fact that he's known across the NCAA as a great recruiter & not a great recruiter & coach speaks volumes.

Tex is correct in that he was always viewed as the guy who couldn't win the big one; not really sure how you can refute that. Its also just as likely that he's viewed the same way if VY doesn't put up arguably the greatest single game/season a qb has ever had.

When did I try to downplay VY's performance.. It was one of the greatest individual performances in sports history, but don't all National title teams have great players on them? You have to have great players to be able to win a national championship. I just saying that there were PLENTY of other big plays made in that game that didn't involve Vince Young.

Also, Mack DID win the big one.......and then he made it back to another championship game without the great Jesus in cleats :kubepalm: During his time at Texas, he's 3-1 in BCS bowl games and the one loss was when McCoy got knocked out early


Mack Brown shut up his critics a LONG time ago. Anybody who really thinks he's a crappy coach or hasn't done a good job at Texas simply isn't being fair to the man and his accomplishments at Texas. How many top coaches in the country have never even been to a title game? Up until this season Mack Brown had a 9 year double digit win streak going and I'm pretty sure black Jesus didn't play 9 seasons at Texas.

Look, am I saying that he's the greatest coach ever.....no, but he isn't a bad coach and he hasn't been a liability at Texas. Will Muschamp has a LONG way to go in his career before he can be compared to someone as accomplished as Mack Brown and I like Muschamp. I like his energy, but after awhile you have to do more than just yell and look like a maniac on the sidelines. His defense fed off that energy in '09, but I didn't like some of the stuff I saw in '10.

Doppelganger
12-13-2010, 04:45 PM
I don't think Texas is finished by any means, I just think their dominance is beginning to fade. The other teams in the Bix XII south are becoming better, OU, A&M, OK. St., we'll see what Tubs can do in Tech. I see undefeated seasons or 1 loss seasons extremely unlikely for UT going forward.

They've had a great run. They just had a down year. They may even go to the Cotton Bowl or Holiday Bowl next year... I just think they're unlikely to go to another National Championship soon. They'll have their work cut out for them every year just to get to the Big XII championship game. They've had great recruiting classes and I think will continue to get top recruits, but the other teams are improving... starting to catch up too.

If they do go, despite my beliefs... more power to them. I'd be the first to say congrats and that they traveled a really tough path. I'm not rooting against them at all, I'm just telling it like I see it.

Going with the Boise OC and Shannon as DC would be huge boosts. How much longer is Mack going to be HC?

This is of course based on the assumption that the Big XII stays together. I could see the Big XII collapsing and UT going independent. Notre Dame has a rule that they are guaranteed a BCS bowl if they finish in the top 8. I could see UT getting a similar deal to go independent.

With an independent schedule, they would schedule a meeting with OU and A&M yearly. They could also schedule a couple other non traditional BCS schools like an Arizona or Iowa State. They could throw in a couple solid BCS schools and then round the schedule with "cream puffs." If they can get through a schedule like that with 1 loss, they should be a top 8 ranked program.

Remember, the most important thing to the BCS is not quality of football but size of fan base and whether they will travel. Texas is big on each. Just like ND.

Doppelganger
12-13-2010, 05:05 PM
I am starting to wonder if the Randy Shannon talk was just talk. If there was something there, I would think a deal would have been made?

JB
12-13-2010, 05:57 PM
I am starting to wonder if the Randy Shannon talk was just talk. If there was something there, I would think a deal would have been made?

I don't think they could announce anything before Muschamp's formal announcement that he is leaving.

Dutchrudder
12-14-2010, 09:38 AM
I don't think they could announce anything before Muschamp's formal announcement that he is leaving.

For the sake of recruiting, I think they would like to break the news ASAP. Could make a difference in the longrun.

Blake
12-14-2010, 09:46 AM
I am starting to wonder if the Randy Shannon talk was just talk. If there was something there, I would think a deal would have been made?

Well the Shannon to Kentucky talk has died down. So who knows. Maybe its still true.

Stemp
12-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Word has it Teryl Austin has accepted DC job at Texas.

JB
12-14-2010, 01:35 PM
Word has it Teryl Austin has accepted DC job at Texas.

Who?

Mr teX
12-14-2010, 01:38 PM
Who?

DC from florida i believe

JB
12-14-2010, 01:40 PM
DC from florida i believe

Didn't he just get hired there this year?

Mr teX
12-14-2010, 01:46 PM
Didn't he just get hired there this year?

Yep...

axman40
12-14-2010, 01:46 PM
http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/horns-defensive-coordinator-search-could-point-to-floridas-1118659.html
Could Texas and Florida be pulling the old switcheroo?
We know Will Muschamp is bound for Florida as the Gators' head coach. But could Teryl Austin, Florida's first-year defensive coordinator, be headed to Texas as Muschamp's replacement as the Longhorns' coordinator?
On the day Texas posted the defensive coordinator vacancy on the university's job website, Austin soared Monday from virtually nowhere to near the top of the speculative heap. Those two circumstances were somewhat related.
Included in the "preferred qualifications" category of the job posting were a minimum 12 years of coaching at the NCAA Division I-A level and seven years of NFL coaching experience.
Austin, as it turns out, just completed his 13th year as a college assistant, and has spent seven years as a defensive backs coach in the NFL.

Stemp
12-14-2010, 09:02 PM
Hookem.com has reported Florida defensive coordinator Teryl Austin is expected to be named Texas’ next defensive coordinator.
Austin will replace Will Muschamp, who left a position as Texas defensive coordinator/head coach in waiting for the head coaching job at Florida.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/longhorns/entries/2010/12/14/hookemcom_repor_1.html?cxntfid=blogs_bevo_beat

Doppelganger
12-14-2010, 09:25 PM
I don't know much about Austin. Is he any good? Is he a big enough name to calm recruits? Can he bring in some defensive players from Florida?

Stemp
12-14-2010, 09:38 PM
I don't know much about Austin. Is he any good? Is he a big enough name to calm recruits? Can he bring in some defensive players from Florida?

I guess he's ok, but certainly not a big or well known guy as he's only had 1 year as DC. Florida went 7-5 and gave up 30+ points 5 times.

Doppelganger
12-18-2010, 06:06 PM
I have a feeling Mack is waiting for teams to finish their bowl games before he either seeks permission to hire or announce one.

pbat488
12-19-2010, 09:20 PM
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Stemp
12-19-2010, 10:50 PM
LOL!!
Those posters maybe jackholes, but they are funny when they are pissed.