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NederlandTexan
04-04-2005, 07:24 PM
from http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2005PreDraft.html

Texans GM Charlie Casserly during a radio interview last week... stated that it's very likely that his team will trade out of their first pick which is the 13th overall...Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft....the Texans have two glaring needs...one on the O-Line at the Left Tackle position and the other on Defensive side of the ball at the Inside Linebacker position...since the team is Drafting 13th overall...taking an Inside Backer with that pick is out of the question since the Top Prospects (Crowder,Thurman and Ruud) all carry a late first round grade at best... however...the Texans could land the Draft's top OT Alex Barron if they were to move up to the Lions pick at #10 since the teams drafting ahead of the Lions have other needs and are likely to pass on Barron...the Texans could also be targeting WR Troy Williamson to pair with Andre Johnson and give Qb David Carr another weapon...it seems that the Lions pick at #10 could become the "Hot Spot" on Draft Day...

Thought this was interesting... :hmmm:

D-ReK
04-04-2005, 07:27 PM
Why would we move up for Barron? We should stick with Wand for this year, and if he fails, look OT in the first next year when the OTs coming out are actually good...

YodAa
04-04-2005, 07:30 PM
I would love moving up for Troy Williamson but if we do move up and both DJ and TW are there I want DJ!

Htown34s
04-04-2005, 07:31 PM
It sounds like the speculation by this reporter is just that. I see DJ possibly playing ILB with us. Plus we need both a starting inside and/or outside LB, so we could take DJ and place Wong inside. This guy is reaching with his conclusions since he really has no idea of our LB situation.

If we trade up to take Alex Barron I'll be some kind of PO'ed...

texan279
04-04-2005, 07:36 PM
Why would we move up for Barron? We should stick with Wand for this year, and if he fails, look OT in the first next year when the OTs coming out are actually good...

I agree. IMO Wand will have to do a pretty horrible job this season to get replaced, he had a solid season last season starting his first full season at LT and I think and hope he will only improve, but if we do have to replace him after the '05 season, we can look to next year's draft like DRek stated, or look at free agent tackles...

BornOrange
04-04-2005, 07:39 PM
I would love moving up for Troy Williamson
Why would we move up to get another Cory Bradford?

royce1054
04-04-2005, 07:41 PM
I think Philly, GB, KC, possibly a team or 2 more wants to move up/ KC would give us #15 and 3rd. The others would have to either give up several late round pics or a #2. I think we can get a OLB in Ware at any of those picks.. if he is gone their is Blackstock and Burnett. If we get another 2nd we can get the WR and prob a CB. Then we can go DE, OL, RB, or S here.

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 07:44 PM
Moving up to take Barron-nightmare!
Moving up to take DJ-don't we need a pass rush at OLB the jury is still out on peek. Plus deep draft for talent and we need depth
Holding out at #13 where somebody unexpectedly falls to us-grab em' or pick up some extra picks-just right

BornOrange
04-04-2005, 07:47 PM
As much as I would love to have DJ as an ILB, the Texans have too many needs for depth to trade up to get him. If he or Spears falls to 13 I would be extremely happy. Otherwise, I would like to trade down and get more draft picks.

Burnett would also be a good fit for ILB in the 3-4.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:05 PM
if KC trades we would get 1st 4th and 5th... they dont have a 3rd.
1st #15 worth 1050
4th #110 worth 74
5th #141 worth 35

if GB trades
1st #24 worth 740
2nd #51 worth 390
they have 2 #2's i am sure they are more than happy to part with 1 to get Alex Smith

If Philly trades
#31 worth 600
#35 worth 550

These are some what ifs from teams i heard want to trade up.

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 08:15 PM
All those look like sweet deals especially the first two.

BornOrange
04-04-2005, 08:18 PM
I like the trade with Philly myself.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:18 PM
All those look like sweet deals especially the first two.

those are just what ifs from teams i have heard want to trade up... i havent heard of these deals... i have heard some ppl think KC will trade and GB will but i thought Philly bc i heard they want to move up... I dont think its high enough for them though.

BornOrange
04-04-2005, 08:20 PM
those are just what ifs from teams i have heard want to trade up... i havent heard of these deals... i have heard some ppl think KC will trade and GB will but i thought Philly bc i heard they want to move up... I dont think its high enough for them though.
If Williamson or maybe Clayton is available at 13 I think Casserly might be able to talk Philly into making that deal.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:23 PM
If Williamson or maybe Clayton is available at 13 I think Casserly might be able to talk Philly into making that deal.

What i am hearing is Philly want Mike Williams. So that means #7 or higher. Thats gonna mean trading up almost the whole draft.

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 08:29 PM
As long as we get at least four players the first day I'd say things went well. It looks like there are solid players through round 3 at least. If Philly wants to deal why not we could snag Burnett and Bass or assortment of any other players you like.

keyfro
04-04-2005, 08:32 PM
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:34 PM
I would love that deal with Philly but i think there trarget is Mike Williams. I dont think Williamson or Clayton are thier targets though. I would be more than happy to see the Texans with more than 2 picks on the 1st day bc of the depth of this draft.
KC Deal happens we could get Ware, Miller, Clayton
GB deal happens we could get Blackstock, Burnett, White, Browner, maybe ware
Philly deal happens we could prob get Burnett, Jackson, Brown, Gibson we might even get 2 of these names

UberDork
04-04-2005, 08:37 PM
I could see us trading up to #6 for DJ. Tennessee needs players and not huge contracts right? At the very worst we would have to give up both our 3rds. I know many may not want to give up both thirds, but remember, one of those came from a 6th round pick. So it would kind of cost us a 1, 3 and 6 to get DJ. Just try'en to be optimisitic about trading up because if we trade up it will probably cost us more than a single 3. I could go for a playmaker in the first and miss out on some potential starters in the third. Judging by what types of players we have traditionally picked in the third round, every single one has been a project of sorts. We've had Peek, Wand, Ragone, Weary, Hill, and a traded pick. Hill was gone fast, Ragone could be a great backup/trade bate, Weary hasn't done a lot, Wand has started primarily due to need and Peek will hopefully start next year and shows some flashes of being a playmaker. I would not be upset to get an almost sure fire playmaker in exchange for two of the type of guys we go for in the third.

sprtsfanatic
04-04-2005, 08:40 PM
I dont think people are upset with the idea of drafting him....just the idea of trading up to draft him....if hes bpa at #13...then why not he's a hell of an athlete, but not worth trading up for since he's not our primary NEED.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:40 PM
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea

well obcourse Texans are not gonna telegraph their plan. They will either say we are looking at this player or we are not interested in this player. Alot of the mock websites if you look at the picks dont have a clue of whos going to go where. Not every team is going to draft a player for the future or the pick just plain doesnt make sense. Most mocks also dont involve trades. Barron will be there at #13 unless a team decides to trade up and take him. I am used to idea of seeing it even though it doesnt make sense since they said its wands position. I can see a 3rd or 4th round OL to add depth.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:44 PM
I could see us trading up to #6 for DJ. Tennessee needs players and not huge contracts right? At the very worst we would have to give up both our 3rds. I know many may not want to give up both thirds, but remember, one of those came from a 6th round pick. So it would kind of cost us a 1, 3 and 6 to get DJ. Just try'en to be optimisitic about trading up because if we trade up it will probably cost us more than a single 3. I could go for a playmaker in the first and miss out on some potential starters in the third. Judging by what types of players we have traditionally picked in the third round, every single one has been a project of sorts. We've had Peek, Wand, Ragone, Weary, Hill, and a traded pick. Hill was gone fast, Ragone could be a great backup/trade bate, Weary hasn't done a lot, Wand has started primarily due to need and Peek will hopefully start next year and shows some flashes of being a playmaker. I would not be upset to get an almost sure fire playmaker in exchange for two of the type of guys we go for in the third.

Why would we help a division rival get the players they need. We need those other picks and possibly more to fill depth on this team that we need. We have 2 positions from what i have heard are up for grabs. WR, OLB. We can get 1 in the 1st round and the other in the 2nd. If we get another #2 then we can get Glenn's replacement. We can even get that in the 3rd if we dont get another #2. If we dont get the other #2 we will have atleast 3 #3's. We could fill CB, DE, OL all in the 3rd round. then the 4th round can be a RB,S, or TE. Doesnt that sound better than tradeing picks away to a division rival. To be honest i think Philly will trade half their draft to move to #6.

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 08:47 PM
I just don't see any great reason to trade up unless you're a player or two away like Philly. No knock on Babin trade it looks like it will work out I look forward to watching him tear it up I just don't want it to happen again. The teams who load up on picks like NE and Philly usually do all right during the season.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 08:57 PM
this is what i heard from philly
#6- 1600
For
DT Simon
#30- 600
#35- 550
#63- 276

if simon isnt in the deal it will go up to all thier 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round pick
too much i dont think they will pull New Oreleans its just something dumb i saw on a mock draft on a site. The Titans fans we soooo happy

UberDork
04-04-2005, 09:05 PM
Basically I am all for getting impact players at important positions. DJ at the Mac spot would be big...providing he performs as most think he would. If we trade down, that is fine by me as long as we get impact guys. I feel like we are getting a fare amount of depth each draft. We need playmakers. I know we still need some depth at a few positions, but we are not nearly as thin as years past. We have several OL guys who are all pretty good...of course we can upgrade, and of course we have to upgrade soon. But, since I am taking the stance for moving up in this thread, we don't have to get an OL in the third. If OL is that big of a problem we can either get lucky or reach in the 2nd. I would love to see us pick up a CB or WR who could also perform return duties, thus freeing up another spot for a young guy to get a few plays in per game...but that may have to wait till next year. As far as helping a division rival goes, I could argue that the Titans would be helping us by letting us get DJ...just because they have a few more 3rd round picks does not mean they will make good choices...Before I end this post, let me reiterate that I would be all for trading down if we can still get players who have a lot of big play potential. If we get guys who are solid players that don't make big plays, then what progress have we made by letting both ILBs go? We get younger, but if we want to get deep into the playoffs, just being younger won't cut it.

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 09:11 PM
Floyd Reese is pretty slick I am sure he'd be happy to deal I don't think they could afford Simon though plus they have starks and haynesworth. He'd probably take a bunch of picks i'm sure. I get the feeling edwards and williams hype is starting to soar I know if I was Miami I'd be leading that so Titans won't get that chance(to deal with eagles). Philly knows they ripped off the dolphins for feeley maybe they give them their pick back plus their other #2 and #31 overall. Saban would probably take that.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 09:14 PM
trust me they will get alot more from Philly than they will get from us. They might not have the #6 contract but they will have #30 #35 pick and possibly more... I almost hate to see it that will make them good. Philly is willing to give up alot to get Mike WIlliams. Houston isnt willing to give up the same amount.

How about this. seattle might trade Alexander and #115 to Ravens for the #22 pick and some 1 more pick this year and #3 next year.

If that trade happens. Seattle will have #22 and #23 pick. Maybe that could be possibility for a trade. I am just bringing up whats ifs here. I seriously don think we will stay at #13 or trade up

royce1054
04-04-2005, 09:19 PM
Floyd Reese is pretty slick I am sure he'd be happy to deal I don't think they could afford Simon though plus they have starks and haynesworth. He'd probably take a bunch of picks i'm sure. I get the feeling edwards and williams hype is starting to soar I know if I was Miami I'd be leading that so Titans won't get that chance(to deal with eagles). Philly knows they ripped off the dolphins for feeley maybe they give them their pick back plus their other #2 and #31 overall. Saban would probably take that.

I mean this is just a deal i heard. I dont think it will happen i am just passing it along. I am sure Philly would love to give up their 1st, #2, 4th, 5th, 6th to move into top 1st round. i think they want a 2nd and a 3rd plus a top 6 pick maybe a 7th rounder they will walk away smiling... i dont know about if they have a compensation pick or not.

Ranger
04-04-2005, 10:09 PM
Ever since we targeted Orlando Pace, everybody thinks we have a horrible LT situation and they think we are targeting Alex Barron. That is not a case. When you have the possibilty of trading for the top LT in the game, well you going to look into that possibilty. That didn't happen. Orlando Pace was our first option. Seth Wand now is the 2nd, a good 2nd. WE WILL NOT go after Alex Barron. Trust me.

I still think the Texans #1 guy is Marcus Spears. The only problem, San Deigo has picked up interest in him, and remember they hold the #12 pick. What I am thinking, Casserly is expecting Spears not to be their at #13.

Our second guy is Derrick Johnson. From all the mock drafts I have seen, this guy has a range of going from #3-#15. He has the talent of a Top 5 pick, but there is no need for him from #1-9. I think Detriot is sitting pretty good, they want to move down, but I don't see why not take Derrick Johnson.

I think Casserly is thinking if those two guys aren't there, then trade down, get some extra picks, and address your needs on defense. As someone said, Darryl Blackstock or Demarcus Ware would work great, and we could gain some extra picks.

royce1054
04-04-2005, 10:16 PM
Well i dont think we will go Barron or Spears. I dont think Spears was ever a possibility. I seriously think trading down is our best bet. Depending on what team trades with being KC, GB, Philly, Seattle we could get a late round 1st rounder possibly a 2nd from GB or Philly or 1st, 4th and 5th from KC. Either one says to me that the pick will be OLB. Then we can get our #2 WR in the 2nd. if we have 2 picks we can get Glenn's replacement. If we have 3 3rd rounders imagine the depth we will draft their. Trading down is the best option

D-ReK
04-04-2005, 10:25 PM
well the more websites i see the more everyone acts like barron is the guy we're targetting...so for ya'll who hate the idea of us drafting him in the first...you might want to get used to the idea

A few things to think about:

-Most, if not all, of the people who make mock drafts are not pro scouts and don't fashion themselves to be, so they're usually just making guesses
-We made a pretty high profile run at Orlando Pace, and it's easy to perceive that as a cry for O-Line help, and not as an attempt to add one of the top 10 players in the NFL
-LT is the most important position on the O-Line, and if Casserley says we want to strengthen our O-Line, it's easy to misperceive that and make a target out of a guy who was a 3rd round pick out of NW Nowhere St and not focus on the real problem, which is the interior of the O-Line

We will draft an OT this year as depth, but IMO there is no need to spend a first rounder on a guy who has been called "unmotivated" by more than one person...

Wolf
04-04-2005, 10:29 PM
I personally think it was it was legit that we would test the waters on Pace...I seriously doubt that we really were going to give up the farm to get him. I also think that we are hoping that it became a game of poker.. and Possibly get a team to jump ahead of us in the draft to get barron (thinking we will take a LT) so one of those "elite" guys would slip to us :heh:

Ranger
04-04-2005, 10:33 PM
Thats a very good point. A good GM will always say he is going after a guy he really is not. Kind of a smokescreen to other teams. Thats one reason why everybody kind of "AWWWW"s at the picks and going what in the world?

royce1054
04-04-2005, 10:43 PM
if GB trades
1st #24 worth 740
2nd #51 worth 390

obcourse Green Bay will Pick Alex Smith

This is the trade i like the most.
#24 we could go Demarcus Ware, Darryl Blackstock, Kevin Burnett
#47 we could go Reggie Brown, Matt Jones, Fred Gibson,
#51 we could go Bryant McFadden, Marlin Jackson, Eric Green

these are players i think will be there at those picks

D-ReK
04-04-2005, 10:57 PM
Green Bay has too many holes to fill to trade up...Also, Alex Smith won't be available at 13, so why would Green Bay have an incentive to trade up? Their needs can be filled if they stay put...They could take a guy like Brodney Pool at 24 and Elton Brown at 51...There's is no way GB trades anywhere but down come draft day...

Lucky
04-04-2005, 10:58 PM
...IMO there is no need to spend a first rounder on a guy who has been called "unmotivated" by more than one person...
Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?

The Preacher
04-04-2005, 11:00 PM
Plus Farve would want someone to help now not when he's gone.

outofhnd
04-04-2005, 11:07 PM
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.

Wolf
04-04-2005, 11:11 PM
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.


We might give them their Henson pick back :heh:

UberDork
04-04-2005, 11:13 PM
Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?

First off, let me say I have not seen Barron play. I can't say what is wrong with him other than the fact that the guy is 6-7, 320, runs the 40 in the 4.8-4.9s, has a 38 inch vert and a 4.62 short shuttle and is not considered an out of this world LT prospect. With those numbers, it seems something is not right for him to not be considered a superelite LT. He has the athletisism; he lacks something else. I don't know what that is, but the guy is not rated where his athletisism should place him.

D-ReK
04-04-2005, 11:14 PM
Can you cite 1 example of Barron displaying a lack of motivation? I've read this before, but never with any detailed explanation. Was there a play, a series, or a game where Alex was dogging it? What exactly can you point to in order to prove that Barron is unmotivated?

FWIW, I've only seen Barron play once (versus Virginia this past season) and he looked decent...He seemed to recognize their 3-4 very well for someone who hadn't played against it very much...On the field, there's no denying that he's a good player...It's sometimes hard to see if a player is playing "unmotivated", though, and I think most of the talk regarding this centers around the fact that he wasn't anything more than good in college, he wasn't a dominator despite being blessed with great athletic skills...

Here's a quick quote from Drew Boylhart (http://www.thehuddlereport.com/TheBuzz/buzz03-16-05db.htm) who did a pretty extensive report on him after his pro day workout...

If you are a member of this site and read my profiles, you know by now that I am going to jump all over this ‘freak of nature’ time like no one else will. This to me is a big time RED FLAG because you now have a dominating, athletically talented LT that did not dominate at his position in college and the question is WHY? Well, let me be the first to tell you why. If this time in the 40 yd run is true, then this kid is a very lazy, unmotivated human being. If Alex showed this type of special speed on the field of play this past year, Alex would have been talked about as a top five pick in this draft before this special work out. Scouts would have been talking about no one else in this draft way before this little bit of marketing information hit the newsstands. You would have seen it in the films and believe me, the average fan would have seen it also. A blind man’s dog would have seen this type of athleticism and made sure his master knew about it. Someone needs to check the cereal box this kid is eating breakfast from or find out if this is the same kid that I have on film! As Eminem would say, “Would the real Alex Barron please stand up, please stand up, please stand up?!”

outofhnd
04-04-2005, 11:17 PM
He is still raw.

I think he hasnt played enough LT to be a star LT prospect.

I saw something either on NFL network or ESPN news and They were comparing him to Gallery and why Gallory was #2 overall pick and Barron who had better combine numbers isnt projected in the top 10.

The one thing i found interesting that they cited was the fact Gallory and IOWA ran the ball considerably more than FSU. That means you saw Gallory making more pancake blocks and dominating more. where as barron was mostly confined to pass coverage for the most part at FSU.

vtech9
04-04-2005, 11:33 PM
this is something from Dan Pompei that might shed some light on Barron: Third round: Ray Willis, OT, Florida State. If teammate Alex Barron had Willis' heart, he might be the first pick in the draft. Willis will be physically outmatched at times, but his toughness and focus will win a lot of battles.

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:06 AM
Green Bay has too many holes to fill to trade up...Also, Alex Smith won't be available at 13, so why would Green Bay have an incentive to trade up? Their needs can be filled if they stay put...They could take a guy like Brodney Pool at 24 and Elton Brown at 51...There's is no way GB trades anywhere but down come draft day...

Alex smith will be there.. bc Johnson will go to Cleveland Rolle will go to Arizona... no 1 else other than New Oreleans is in the run for a QB

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:10 AM
Casserly didn't say which way the team will be moving (up or down) but it's likely the team will move up if one of the prospects they covet slips a bit in the Draft

That statement is kinda ambiguous.

In other words they are saying we are targeting players that will be gone @13? I think everyteam that doesnt have a top 10 pick covets a top 10 player.

I doubt we go Barron and dont think we trade up unless we are dead locked on DJ. They are also saying Antrell Rolle will be the first defensive player off the board and that Miami is looking at him alot. Maybe this is the insurance to have Surtain shipped to KC?

I think moving to Dallas's pick may be the most likely spot we would move up to.

I dont see us moving up at all. We need depth on this team. I dont think we will trade up at all. I think KC might be a good trade. We drop back 2 picks and pick up a 3rd round pick. That is much more realisitic than us trading up. Somebody will want the pick and will offer us enough to take it. We only have 2 positions up for grabs but we need depth at 4 others. We need more picks in the 1st 4 rounds.

D-ReK
04-05-2005, 12:32 AM
Alex smith will be there.. bc Johnson will go to Cleveland Rolle will go to Arizona... no 1 else other than New Oreleans is in the run for a QB

I really don't see any way he falls past Arizona at 8...Their QBs are terrible, and as the old saying goes, "If you don't have a franchise QB, you had better get one"...Denny Green is an offensive minded coach who hasn't had much success drafting defensively in the first round...Smith WILL be picked by AZ if he's there...I understand you have your opinions and I have mine, and we'll see how things turn out in 18 days, 11 hours, and 31 minutes...

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:36 AM
i dont think he will they have Warner. Plus the chances of Arizona being good next year isnt that good. Next years crop of QB is better than this years. They will go CB in Antrel Rolle, or Carlos Rodgers or trade down

D-ReK
04-05-2005, 12:48 AM
Warner only signed a one year contract, so he's definitely not their long term answer...If they took a QB, it would allow him to sit him and allow him to learn the playbook, much like Eli Manning did last year...They probably should go defense in the first, but if Smith fell to them, I am almost positive they'll take him...Also, I think AZ has a good chance of being a playoff team next year...They will see marked improvement...

BornOrange
04-05-2005, 12:55 AM
Arizona will take either a QB or a RB

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:55 AM
Come on Seattle is the only playoff team in the division. By far the weakest division. I have seen Smith on alot of mocks but some of my sources are saying that they will go defense to complement the WR's, FA QB they signed, and the possible trade of Travis henry. My question is why not Barron to replace Shelton if that happens? Thats if the trade goes through. I think they do need another QB but i dont think a 1st round QB unless Smith goes #1 then i think they will take Rodgers.

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:58 AM
Arizona will take either a QB or a RB

I think the trade for henry will go though but it will be a draft day trade. They will hold out to see if they can get more. Buffalo want to swap 2nd round picks. If Benson is the only RB not taken like i think wont draft him and will go defense. Can anyone name their CB. If Rolle is there i cant see them passing on him unless Rodgers or Cadillac or brown is there

outofhnd
04-05-2005, 01:47 AM
Yea if the henry Deal goes through they won't go RB. Rolle would be a Nice pick if he isnt already gone.

Rolle has apparantly moved up and is projected to be the 1st defensive player off the board, unseating DJ, Rolle is a possibility in Cleveland where i think they draft Frye in Round 2 to solve their QB needs.

Frye reminds me a little of Tom Brady with a lil bit more of a gunslinger mentality.

I think Arizona grabs Erasmus or they grab DJ

royce1054
04-05-2005, 03:26 AM
Yea if the henry Deal goes through they won't go RB. Rolle would be a Nice pick if he isnt already gone.

Rolle has apparantly moved up and is projected to be the 1st defensive player off the board, unseating DJ, Rolle is a possibility in Cleveland where i think they draft Frye in Round 2 to solve their QB needs.

Frye reminds me a little of Tom Brady with a lil bit more of a gunslinger mentality.

I think Arizona grabs Erasmus or they grab DJ

I used 2 think Rolle would go to Cleveland but i think Crennel playing the 3-4 will go LB or DE... They think just like we do. I think if henry deal goes through and Rolle is off the board they will go Barron replace SHelton who they lost.

beerlover
04-05-2005, 06:50 AM
just my opinion but I think the Browns will trade down, maybe to the Vikings who want to trade up for Mike Williams, then look for Crennel to go defense. along with former Texans defensive line coach now Brown defensive coordinator Todd Grantham they convert to the 3-4 scheme and take a OLB. this will really depend on how they rate this class which really has some good prospects including Merriman & Pollack. they could take Merriman here if he really blows them away in private workouts or if they are more impressed with Pollack they could trade down again, say the Texans for example & take Pollack @ #13 which I think is about right for him.

in the process the Browns pick up an extra 1st (Vikings #18) & 2nd (Texans #47). I'm fairly sure the Vikings would make this move, however I'm not sure what the Texans would do, if both Cedric or Derrick were available they might but I'm starting to believe we'll be fat & happy staying @ #13 and taking David Pollack themselves :twocents:

royce1054
04-05-2005, 08:12 AM
we need depth at CB, OL, DL, S, RB, TE, WR, LB.... Why do we trade up..
There is good depth at CB, DL, S, RB, WR, and LB
I think we trade down.. get OLB in 1st round
2nd round go WR
if we get 2 picks we go CB
3rd round CB, OL
if we get a 3rd or 4th 3rd round pick we go DL, RB
This is how i am thinking right now
We fill our 2 openings in 1st 2 rounds then draft depth

UberDork
04-05-2005, 09:27 AM
we need depth at CB, OL, DL, S, RB, TE, WR, LB.... Why do we trade up..
There is good depth at CB, DL, S, RB, WR, and LB
I think we trade down.. get OLB in 1st round
2nd round go WR
if we get 2 picks we go CB
3rd round CB, OL
if we get a 3rd or 4th 3rd round pick we go DL, RB
This is how i am thinking right now
We fill our 2 openings in 1st 2 rounds then draft depth


I am just not sold on trying to fill all our depth needs in one draft. If we do go the route of filling depth needs, then that seems to imply we will have to make a couple reaches. A couple of reaches piled on top of a few guys simply not working out, and we could end up in a position where we get no big-time playmakers, only a few serviceable backups and maybe one or two starters. I probably sound like I am set on moving up for DJ, but really I am trying to emphasize getting playmakers and another few guys of quality depth in later rounds. Not just getting depth. Sorry royce1054, maybe you are implying that we will go BPA on the positions we need, and I would pretty much be fine with that as long as we don't pass on a great opportunity to get a stud that may not be a real need depthwise.

Lucky
04-05-2005, 09:52 AM
...I can't say what is wrong with him other than the fact that the guy is 6-7, 320, runs the 40 in the 4.8-4.9s, has a 38 inch vert and a 4.62 short shuttle and is not considered an out of this world LT prospect. With those numbers, it seems something is not right for him to not be considered a superelite LT...
A LT doesn't run 40 yards, leap in the air, or run around cones during the course of a football game. What a LT does is block the guy in front of him, usually the opposition's best pass rusher. That's the criteria that should be used in judging Alex Barron or any LT prospect.

...I think most of the talk regarding this centers around the fact that he wasn't anything more than good in college, he wasn't a dominator despite being blessed with great athletic skills...
Well the writers who cover college football and vote for the AP All-American team selected Barron 1st team in both his junior & senior seasons. Florida State passed the football 401 times in '04. Alex allowed only 1 sack. Zero to Shawne Merriman, zero to Daryl Blackstock. Just not sure what the non-dominator talk is about. As far as the Huddle report's comments are concerned, you're not going to see offensive linemen run 40 yards very often. For something like that to be a "red flag' is absurd.

If teammate Alex Barron had Willis' heart, he might be the first pick in the draft.
Again, what does that mean? When did Barron show a lack of heart? Did he not play with an injury? Did he quit during a game? What?

He is still raw.

I think he hasnt played enough LT to be a star LT prospect.

Barron started at quick tackle for 2 1/2 seasons at Florida State. He played in the ACC with an out of conference schedule that included Miami & Florida every season. Barron is well tested, not raw.

All I see are opinions that aren't backed by specific examples. Raw, soft, lazy...where's the evidence on Barron that these descriptions are true? The Texans have the 13th pick in a mediocre draft. If they can pull a good LT, that's hardly a bad pick.

UberDork
04-05-2005, 10:13 AM
Lucky,

The point I was trying to make is that he has no hinderances athletically. Athletisism is not the reason he is not rated in the top 5. If that is not the reason, there must be some other reason. I am not making any guess as to what that is, except that it is probably not a good thing. He could still be a good player for us, and I won't be mad if we get him. Just that with his athletic gifts and experience, seems he should be a top 5 pick, but he aint.

UberDork
04-05-2005, 10:26 AM
Here is a link to a seminoles discussion on Barron. It has a few informative tidbits of info on Barron.

LINK (http://www.floridastate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1079&tid=50136203&sid=&style=2)

Sarg01
04-05-2005, 10:45 AM
we need depth at CB, OL, DL, S, RB, TE, WR, LB.... Why do we trade up..


I disagree. We need depth at CB, DL, S and RB. We need STARTERS at OL, TE, WR and LB. Obviously all these needs can't be filled in one draft - unless you really think all our draft picks will make the team.

TexansTrueFan
04-05-2005, 10:58 AM
First off, let me say I have not seen Barron play. I can't say what is wrong with him other than the fact that the guy is 6-7, 320, runs the 40 in the 4.8-4.9s, has a 38 inch vert and a 4.62 short shuttle and is not considered an out of this world LT prospect. With those numbers, it seems something is not right for him to not be considered a superelite LT. He has the athletisism; he lacks something else. I don't know what that is, but the guy is not rated where his athletisism should place him.


well sometimes those stats on a player can be misleading, i'm sure their are reasons he is such a praised prospect. Maybe people see something that numbers cant tell us.

michaelm
04-05-2005, 11:08 AM
well sometimes those stats on a player can be misleading, i'm sure their are reasons he is such a praised prospect. Maybe people see something that numbers cant tell us.

the point is that he IS NOT the praised prospect that his numbers say that he should be. So if his numbers say he should be an elite prospect, but he isn't, then what is wrong with him otherwise?
some seem to think it's desire, or really, lack of desire,,,

UberDork
04-05-2005, 11:49 AM
well sometimes those stats on a player can be misleading, i'm sure their are reasons he is such a praised prospect. Maybe people see something that numbers cant tell us.

I agree people see something that numbers can't tell us...and what they see is something keeping him from being a consensus top 5 pick...That is all I am saying. If we got him, it would be a good value. I am just saying he is lacking something other than athletisism to probably keep him out of the top 5. Heck it could be coaching...one guy on that Seminoles MB said they fired their OL coach this year...but whatever it is, he is not a consensus top 5 guy like his number would most deffinately allow.

royce1054
04-05-2005, 12:19 PM
I disagree. We need depth at CB, DL, S and RB. We need STARTERS at OL, TE, WR and LB. Obviously all these needs can't be filled in one draft - unless you really think all our draft picks will make the team.

Well we trade down with a team in the 20's. We get either 1st and 2nd or 1st and a 3rd.
1st OLB/WR
2nd WR/OLB one not taken
the pick we get from the other team if we do get a 2nd would be a CB to replace Glenn.
2 3rd's if we dont get the 2nd 2 round pick we go CB, OL and then we will get atleast 1 xtra is pick here we go DL. this is what i am thinking we can fille these positions at depeth.
OL i think we are good for now. TE i still Miller has inside track on that spot. I think we go depth in 3rd for OL. TE maybe 5th or 6th round. doubt he will make team. Just sayin we might take one.

Ranger
04-05-2005, 10:22 PM
I think this is going to be one of those drafts where Casserely shocks everybody. I have seen so many projections, so many mocks, so many rumors about our pick and what we could possibily do, I don't think Casserely knows just quite yet.

I think right now we are leaning toward a couple of things:

1) From what I have been hearing though "various" sources is that the coaches on seriously considering moving Wong to ILB (which is real big news) or at least give him his chance to play alongside Greenwood. Now that leaves a hole at Wong's position. We can either draft a guy to fill that position or go with Peek, or even use a rotation of Babin, Peek, whoever we draft, and some other back-ups like Anderson. If we stay at #13 then Dan Cody could be our guy. Moving down into the 20's we could find Demarcus Ware or David Pollack. I think Ware is a very interesting player, his stock has risen and seems to be a heck of a player. I have seen one mock draft where they say is stock is rising so much we will take him at #13, which is hard to beleive.

2) Texans scouts have been impressed with Troy Williamson's speed, and would be a great fit at the #2 position. I don't know if he would make it past San Diego though. I wouldn't like picking a WR in the first round though, I think there is more pressing needs on defense. Besides I still see talent in the later rounds at WR.

3) Every day I am getting more convinced that trading down is the best way to go. We can get more picks in the later rounds or the future. Guys we want will still be around and while all the Green Bays and Phildelphias and Minnesotas look to move up, we can move down, get what we want, and there draft picks and have a great quite draft, and look to build for the future.

If I was Casserly: Trade down into the 20's, get Demarcus Ware and pick up extra picks in 2nd or 3rd.

outofhnd
04-05-2005, 10:37 PM
Like i said i thought it was interesting what i saw about scouting gallery and the fact his team ran the ball which would show a LT dominating Defensive linemen on a consistent basis.

Barron playing in the pass happy scheme at FSU just shows him keeping defensive linemen at bay at moving backwards.

Now the question I have is, If Florida State was big time rushing team instead of an air attack, would Barron be at the top of the draft?

Barron had better combine numbers than gallery. maybe the "lack of heart" is the fact all you see is barran going back into pass block mode and not mauling D lineman on a consistent basis because they are running the football.

Personally I have no idea at this point, heck the 49ers still don't know what they are doing. It will depend on how draft day plays out. :wacko:

royce1054
04-05-2005, 10:38 PM
I have had a person on another site tell me i change my mind to much.

1. At first i wanted Spears. Then we resigned Payne. So that made that idea not make much since.

2.Then i wanted Carlos Rodgers. The next day we signed Sanders. I was like are the Texans messing with my predictions

3.Then i wanted Barron. About 2-3 weeks later they came out and said its Seth Wand's position and they had no interest in Barron.

4.Then i was like ok lets get Williamson and get our #2 WR. i argued for him for over a month. I still like him but then i started hearing about the Texans trading.

5. So then i was like lets trade Sharper and #2 and move up into late 1st round... we let Sharper go...

6. Now i think trading down is the best way to go. We can get OLB or WR in the late 1st round and then pick up a 2nd or a 3rd. That will help up add much needed depth.

:hmmm:

wags
04-05-2005, 10:51 PM
3.Then i wanted Barron. About 2-3 weeks later they came out and said its Seth Wand's position and they had no interest in Barron.

When did the Texans say they had "no interest" in Barron.

royce1054
04-05-2005, 10:55 PM
When did the Texans say they had "no interest" in Barron.

Well when they said Wand is the starter that means there is no point in drafting a guy pay him more money than your starter. Thats simple math to me.

D-ReK
04-05-2005, 11:07 PM
Well when they said Wand is the starter that means there is no point in drafting a guy pay him more money than your starter. Thats simple math to me.

You do know Casserly might as well be considered the originator of "smoke and mirrors" tactics, right? He's been known to say one thing and mean another...Case in point, at the end of the season CC said we'd have a quiet offseason, and we have had quite the opposite...

royce1054
04-05-2005, 11:18 PM
You do know Casserly might as well be considered the originator of "smoke and mirrors" tactics, right? He's been known to say one thing and mean another...Case in point, at the end of the season CC said we'd have a quiet offseason, and we have had quite the opposite...

i think we were very quiet inthe offseason. We signed only 3 people from other teams... He was right we were quiet. The vikings were the opposite of quiet.

beerlover
04-05-2005, 11:55 PM
I trolled to find his (Casserly's) exact quote but basicly I seem to remember that the Texans did not plan to sign any of the big name free agents....then the Pace fiasco idonno: I vividly remember the boss saying that they must find a way to protect David and that would be their #1 priority.

So a tackle or a guard in the 1st two rounds money in the bank. who or where I really could'nt tell ya, but by now they know the who, its just a matter of where/when to select him.

The two first round grades I would think for the Texans would be David Baas, Michigan (no surprise there) & Khalif Barnes, Washington. Baas can play Center or either Guard position. Barnes would be excellent in our zone blocking scheme and can play both Guard & Tackle. me thinks they should both be high up on Casserlys list..... :hmmm:

so if the Texans stay @ #13 & take the best playmaker available defense or offense, they will need to trade up to get Baas or Barnes. similar to last year that produced two rookie starters BABS & DROB :thumbup

royce1054
04-06-2005, 12:07 AM
i dont remember him sayin it was his #1 priority i do think it is a priority but not #1. We could trade down to the end of the 1st round and get Baas. I think he will go around the Philly pick. Who seems to want to move up and get a WR. I still think OLB, WR, CB then OL but that my opinion.

D-ReK
04-06-2005, 12:11 AM
He said our main goals this offseason were to improve our pass rush and our pass protection...Funny how 3 people can hear 3 different things...

royce1054
04-06-2005, 12:16 AM
He said our main goals this offseason were to improve our pass rush and our pass protection...Funny how 3 people can hear 3 different things...

i heard that too but that doesnt mean its #1. I was saying lets trade down get an OLB thats a pass rusher and can cover the back. We need a natural LB. I dont think any of the ends can cover the backs. I think we fill the WR position next then a CB to replace Glenn. Than OL to add depth. Then a DL. That seems like a good route to me. I would be happy with a Ware, Balckstock or burnett in the 1st round for the pass rusher. Well you know there is deep talent at the CB position. Maybe they might go OL in a pick they can get off a trade and select a OL in the 2nd round. Then go CB. I am just specualting using my opinion.

wags
04-06-2005, 01:00 AM
I vividly remember the boss saying that they must find a way to protect David and that would be their #1 priority.

Right. The owner, Bob McNair, said our number 1 priority is to protect David Carr.

royce1054
04-06-2005, 01:59 AM
Right. The owner, Bob McNair, said our number 1 priority is to protect David Carr.

doesnt ever owner say that.. If they have decided to with wand then we can get an OL in late 2nd or early 3rd. If not we have to go Barron. I heard we werent interested in Barron though

keyfro
04-06-2005, 09:14 AM
well what is garenteed in this draft...we'll draft a few o-lineman hopefully, a receiver, a linebacker, and atleast one d-lineman

nunusguy
04-06-2005, 10:05 AM
Right. The owner, Bob McNair, said our number 1 priority is to protect David Carr.
I'm another one who remembers McNair specifically making those remarks
regarding DC. Fact is I remember the circumstances in which they were made - Channel 13/Bob Allen were having their regular post game show after the final game with the Browns and McNair appeared on that show.

aj.
04-06-2005, 12:04 PM
Well when they said Wand is the starter that means there is no point in drafting a guy pay him more money than your starter. Thats simple math to me.

Wand will be a restricted free agent after this season. If he's not in their long term plans they better damm sure be making some contingency plans (like drafting another LT).

I have a feeling the Texans like Khalif Barnes more than Barron.

Blake
04-06-2005, 12:07 PM
Is Barnes a second round pick? Or do you think he is most likely gone in the 1st?

Im guessing the only way to get him is to trade down somehow.

I would hate to pay #13 for him.

aj.
04-06-2005, 12:26 PM
Low first from everything I've read. That would be something to look for in a first round trade down scenario. Apparently Steve Marshall was pretty impressed with the guy at his Pro Day at UW.

Vinny
04-06-2005, 12:27 PM
I have a feeling the Texans like Khalif Barnes more than Barron.I think you may be right. If we trade back I would not be surprised if Barnes was one of the possible targets.

Blake
04-06-2005, 12:32 PM
Low first from everything I've read. That would be something to look for in a first round trade down scenario. Apparently Steve Marshall was pretty impressed with the guy at his Pro Day at UW.

Say we do grab Barnes or Barron. Are they immediate legit LT starters? Like battle for the spot? Or do we expect them to sit a year?

keyfro
04-06-2005, 12:50 PM
i think we let them battle it out with wand during training camp and here's the important part unless the starter is injuried you do no constantly sub them in and out...let one figure everything out on his own the hard way

Blake
04-06-2005, 12:53 PM
i think we let them battle it out with wand during training camp and here's the important part unless the starter is injuried you do no constantly sub them in and out...let one figure everything out on his own the hard way

I would hate to be your QB. Wouldnt that mean Carr gets his helmet handed to him more?

royce1054
04-06-2005, 06:47 PM
Barnes will go to the Rams if he is there which i am sure he will unless a team trades up for him. What about the Rams trading up for Barron. That could work
#19 = 875
#70 = 240
#111 = 72
1187

Hey that sounds pretty nice to me

#19 Blackstock or Ware
#47 Gibson or Brown
#70 CB
#73 OL
#78 DL
#108 RB
#111 S
we can fill so much depth here
what do u think

outofhnd
04-06-2005, 10:50 PM
Its a possibility.

But this is what dawned on me last night.

Perhaps the Pace deal was not soo much to sign Pace as much as it was a Draft tactic to make people assume we want to take Barron.

Teams that are in dire need of O line, may want to negotiate with us for our 13th spot where Barron is expected to go. Up or Down not real sure, but it makes sense to make people believe you are taking him and the people that need him will have to assume we take him at 13 and either move up and get him or trade with us. So if someone does trade up for barron it increases the chances of a top tier player sliding down to us.

royce1054
04-06-2005, 11:57 PM
Its a possibility.

But this is what dawned on me last night.

Perhaps the Pace deal was not soo much to sign Pace as much as it was a Draft tactic to make people assume we want to take Barron.

Teams that are in dire need of O line, may want to negotiate with us for our 13th spot where Barron is expected to go. Up or Down not real sure, but it makes sense to make people believe you are taking him and the people that need him will have to assume we take him at 13 and either move up and get him or trade with us. So if someone does trade up for barron it increases the chances of a top tier player sliding down to us.

well to be honest if we wanted him we would of gotten him right. Might cost us 2 1st rounders but thats good protection. I agree that this might be a ploy. A couple of weeks ago i had a 2 hour long conversation with a guy and we were arguing that very fact. He think Barron was our only option. He thinks if we dont go Barron in the 1st that Casserly is wrong. He based his facts on the fact that if we wanted Pace that means we want another OT. I didnt believe that all. I think you go after Pace wheither you need him or not, he is the best. I dont think that Barron would do much better than wand though. We can get a perfectly good OL-man to back him up in the 3rd round.

beerlover
04-07-2005, 09:37 AM
Texans trade the 13th pick to the NY Giants for their 2nd (43rd) this year 05, and their 1st next year in 06.

with the 13th pick the Giants select Alex Barron LT

the Texans would now have two #2's & two #3's this year & two 1st's next year 06 :cool:

Xman
04-07-2005, 04:23 PM
I wouldn't mind trading to get the Giant's #1 next year - it could be high again. But, I doubt they deal it to get an OT (even though they could use OT) because the PR hit would be insane if they ended up in the top 5 picks.

D-ReK
04-07-2005, 07:11 PM
If we can get a 1st rounder next year, I say do it...Depending on what underclassmen come out, next year's draft might end up being very special...

royce1054
04-08-2005, 12:24 AM
next years talent i think is better than this years

beerlover
04-08-2005, 11:51 AM
next years talent i think is better than this years

you think? :heh:

doing trades should benifit both teams, this is a win/win situation. The Giants need to trade up to get Barron, if Barron last's till #13 the Giants & Texans might be on the phone to one another. Tom Coughlin understands the importance of a dominant LT (Tony Boselli) with a true franchise QB in Eli Manning this must be the Giants top need/priority.

the Giants don't have a 1st round pick (traded to San Diego to get Manning) & Alex Barron the premier LT will be gone possibly in the top 10 picks, if he does slide to #13 this would be the opportunity the Texans are looking for, especially with Carolina sitting, waiting with the 14th pick.

it sucks not to have a 1st round pick, but a high second #43 would land a possible impact player (David Baas, Shaun Cody, Matt Roth, Anttaj Hawthorne, Darryl Blackstock, Fabian Washington) & the Texans pick again @ #47.

having two #1's next year, regardless where they fall should finally provide the talent the Texans need to become a serious playoff contender (remember the 5 year plan). while 05 should be improved (.500%) this draft will go along ways to building a solid foundation needed to become an elite NFL team.

TheOgre
04-08-2005, 12:03 PM
Come on Seattle is the only playoff team in the division. By far the weakest division. I have seen Smith on alot of mocks but some of my sources are saying that they will go defense to complement the WR's, FA QB they signed, and the possible trade of Travis henry. My question is why not Barron to replace Shelton if that happens?

I think Leonard Davis was the starting LT this past season. Shelton was moved to RT.

Corrosion
04-08-2005, 12:12 PM
Texans trade the 13th pick to the NY Giants for their 2nd (43rd) this year 05, and their 1st next year in 06.

with the 13th pick the Giants select Alex Barron LT

the Texans would now have two #2's & two #3's this year & two 1st's next year 06 :cool:


I like the idea of this trade down posibility BUT i fear Barron will be gone long before 13 considering that a couple teams really hurt for help on the O-line . The first that comes to mind is the Bears :

The Bears were dead last in several categories on the offensive side of the ball including Points Per Game @ 14.4 , Total Offense @ 238.G ypg (101.5 rushing ) Passing Yardage @ 137 ypg Sacks Allowed with 66 and Sack Yardage with 449 negative yards . Though they may well take one of the top rated recievers its highly possible they take Barron . (or one of the top recievers).

The Titanic's have a ton of holes to fill CB being the most glaring of those but are also in need of WR and O-line . Wouldnt surprise me one bit if they chose Barron .


The Cowboy's and Cardinals are both teams that i could see taking him as well . Most of these teams have been linked to other players / positions thus far in most mock drafts but looking @ their rosters / stats from last season it would seem much more likely that this is where their needs are.

canadiantexan
04-08-2005, 01:34 PM
I could see him (Barron) going to the cowboys or cardinals but not the bears they need playmakers on the offense and would love to give Grossman another target, maybe Edwards to go along with mushin. The Bears would also be better off drafting RB or CB

Corrosion
04-08-2005, 02:20 PM
I could see him (Barron) going to the cowboys or cardinals but not the bears they need playmakers on the offense and would love to give Grossman another target, maybe Edwards to go along with mushin. The Bears would also be better off drafting RB or CB


The Bears do need another playmaker on offense but if they have no one to block for them it wouldnt matter if they had Joe Montana , Eric Dickerson and Michael Irvin in the backfield .

The stat that sticks out most to me is the 66 sacks allowed last season .(real close to the record number 72 given up by the EXPANSION Texans) . Their running game was not nearly as bad as the passing game averaging 101 ypg and 3.8 ypc for the season . The passing game was absolutely pathetic totaling 137 ypg 9 TD's 16 INT's and again 66 sacks for a total loss of 449 yards .

Their D was pretty decent leading the NFL in 3rd down percentage gave up only 208 yards a game and 20.7 points per game . Which leads me to believe that they will look first to improve their offense . They may well take one of the top three recievers but there is just as much a possibility of them taking Barron .

San Francisco , Miami and the NY Giants each gave up 52 sacks last season and were tied with the second most allowed . their cumlative record was 12 - 36 Proof positive that if you cant get it done up front you will not win in the NFL

beerlover
04-08-2005, 05:37 PM
CORROSION- all good points that validate the #1 talent in the 2005 draft at LT & why teams will be willing to deal once he has fallen to a point where he could be aquired, without giving up substantial costs

#13 is a :spot:

Corrosion
04-08-2005, 07:10 PM
#13 is a :spot:


Agree'd , If by chance he falls that far the Texans will be dealing from a position of strength considering that Carolina with the 14th pick would most definately take Barron . I just dont see him falling that far , there are at least 4 teams that could take him earlier . (Bears , Titans , Lions , Cowboys).

At this point im not sure which way CC is looking to move , i suppose it will come down to who falls to a position that they feel comfortable trading up to and what the cost to do so , or who is left @ 13 that is a hot comodity that teams are willing to trade up for .

The Texans have several holes to fill such as LB (both inside and out could use depth) . The WR position needs a look although Armstrong or Starling may have a breakout season the position lacks depth . The O-line could definately stand an upgrade (@ more than one position) . They have lacked a complete TE since day one of their first season and unless Joppru comes back healthy and ready to play this season they will need help here. RB and CB are less of a concern to me since they have more than servicable players here (starters anyway) but both positions could use some depth .

Looking at the offseason moves thay have made so far with the release of Sharper and Foreman being cut leads me to believe thay have a special player in mind to fill that void , Sharper may not have been spectacular but he was a solid player and will be sorely missed .

Ranger
04-09-2005, 10:58 PM
I don't see how you could say that Barron won't be around at #13. Bears are sitting prutty taking a running back at #4. With Norm Chow as OC and Steve McNair needing a lift going into next season, the Titans would love to grab Mike Williams. The Cowboys aren't worried with offensive linemen. They have things to worry about on defense and they used money in the offseason to address that issue. The Lions taking Barron? I doubt it.

As for the suggested Giants trade, remember the Giants did sign McKenize from the Jets. Would they spend more money and draft picks to get another tackle in this offseason? It seems logical. If we could trade for a pick in next year's draft that would allow us to draft a sudden impact player, I would be all for it. Getting picks in the 2nd and 3rd to add depth would be great as well.

Barnes' stock has been rising greatly in the last couple of weeks. Seeing him go at #19 would be expected. With his stock still growing, I wonder if he could pass up Barron, and if he could be a target for Carolina.

I can't wait til draft day when we have 1 minute left on the clock and we are still undecided and waiting for that clock to hit 0 wanting to know what happened.

FatBoyTim
04-10-2005, 02:43 PM
i think you should visit a titans site and you'll see that many of their fans think Barron will be the pick at 6 if they stay there. Most see a trade out and still see them taking Barron lower.