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Doppelganger
12-06-2010, 03:55 PM
I know some of yall don't like his work, but he put a great stat in his piece.

"The Texans have gone from the bad old days under Dom Capers, when they were 5-7 after 12 games (in 2003 and 2004), to today, when after 12 games they are, um, 5-7. As they were last year. And the year before that. And the year before that."

That tells us a lot. Take the 2 win season out. But the 2 years previously, Capers had the team to 5-7 after 12 games in 2003 and 2004. Those teams ended with records of 5-11 and 7-9 respectively. In 2008/2009 they finished 8-8 and 9-7 respectively, and this year looks like another 7-9 season.

JS makes the point that we have basically not improved and that whatever wins we have are at the end of the season. The fact that we are winning late, tells me the players still play for the coach. BUT, it also means we are winning essentially meaningless games. This was a prime year to take the division. The Colts are down, the Titans are in shambles, and the Jags are beatable. In addition, our D let us down in 4 games that we should have won. We should be a 9 win team right now thinking about not the playoffs, not the division title, but a potential first round bye.

That right there tells me its time for Gary to go. We need a real head coach and not a glorified offensive coordinator.

JB
12-06-2010, 04:12 PM
Don't you really think there are already enough threads about this?

Yankee_In_TX
12-06-2010, 04:18 PM
Don't you really think there are already enough threads about this?

No?

Hardcore Texan
12-06-2010, 04:27 PM
That is brand new information.

:sarcasm:

Thorn
12-06-2010, 04:42 PM
Jerome Soloman must have seen Dexman's sig. LOL

Double Barrel
12-06-2010, 04:49 PM
wow...nine seasons and SIX of them have been 5-7 at the 12 game mark...that's just....sad.

Blake
12-06-2010, 04:50 PM
Did Solomon and Dexman have lunch lately?

JB
12-06-2010, 04:51 PM
Did Solomon and Dexman have lunch lately?

Gasp! Maybe they are one and the same! Have you ever seen them together?


:thinking:

Blake
12-06-2010, 04:54 PM
Gasp! Maybe they are one and the same! Have you ever seen them together?


:thinking:

haha! I think youre onto something!

Pollardized
12-06-2010, 05:28 PM
Does anyone remember when Solomon has a show on ESPN 97.5? What a Jackwagon....

texanhead08
12-06-2010, 05:32 PM
Does anyone remember when Solomon has a show on ESPN 97.5? What a Jackwagon....


He is known as the roach for a reason just remember that.

Showtime100
12-06-2010, 05:39 PM
Lol. The "great stat" tells me he must read this board AND the sumbitch still owes me a pair of sweatbands from Jr High.

Carr Bombed
12-06-2010, 05:40 PM
Lol. The "great stat" tells me he must read this board AND the sumbitch still owes me a pair of sweatbands from Jr High.

wait what? :)

infantrycak
12-06-2010, 05:41 PM
The current Texans team would beat the 7-9 Capers' Texans 99 times out of 100.

That doesn't mean Kubiak should stay but it's true.

Rey
12-06-2010, 06:09 PM
The current Texans team would beat the 7-9 Capers' Texans 99 times out of 100.

That doesn't mean Kubiak should stay but it's true.

You are probably right. Those Capers teams weren't as good as this team is.

That said, the defenses were a bit better.

Could David Carr have a good day against this secondary?

Carr Bombed
12-06-2010, 06:12 PM
You are probably right. Those Capers teams weren't as good as this team is.

That said, the defenses were a bit better.

Could David Carr have a good day against this secondary?

The question is.....could our secondary hold down a younger Andre Johnson? I think Capers' Texans would do a little better than some might think.

DexmanC
12-06-2010, 06:13 PM
I know some of yall don't like his work, but he put a great stat in his piece.

"The Texans have gone from the bad old days under Dom Capers, when they were 5-7 after 12 games (in 2003 and 2004), to today, when after 12 games they are, um, 5-7. As they were last year. And the year before that. And the year before that."

That tells us a lot. Take the 2 win season out. But the 2 years previously, Capers had the team to 5-7 after 12 games in 2003 and 2004. Those teams ended with records of 5-11 and 7-9 respectively. In 2008/2009 they finished 8-8 and 9-7 respectively, and this year looks like another 7-9 season.

JS makes the point that we have basically not improved and that whatever wins we have are at the end of the season. The fact that we are winning late, tells me the players still play for the coach. BUT, it also means we are winning essentially meaningless games. This was a prime year to take the division. The Colts are down, the Titans are in shambles, and the Jags are beatable. In addition, our D let us down in 4 games that we should have won. We should be a 9 win team right now thinking about not the playoffs, not the division title, but a potential first round bye.

That right there tells me its time for Gary to go. We need a real head coach and not a glorified offensive coordinator.

Thanks pal. I've only worn those stats as my signature since last offseason.
You da man.

drs23
12-06-2010, 06:25 PM
Thanks pal. I've only worn those stats as my signature since last offseason.You da man.

Jerome, is that you? :kitten:

:D

infantrycak
12-06-2010, 06:39 PM
You are probably right. Those Capers teams weren't as good as this team is.

That said, the defenses were a bit better.

A bit would be accurate. The only year the D was even decent under Capers was 2002.

Could David Carr have a good day against this secondary?

No. HWWNBN would have 8 sacks and 3 picks. Half the sacks would be running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Schaub, AJ and Foster would make it look like pitch and catch on the way to a 52 point game. The current Texans haven't arrived but they are miles ahead of that team.

JB
12-06-2010, 06:44 PM
A bit would be accurate. The only year the D was even decent under Capers was 2002.



No. HWWNBN would have 8 sacks and 3 picks. Half the sacks would be running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Schaub, AJ and Foster would make it look like pitch and catch on the way to a 52 point game. The current Texans haven't arrived but they are miles ahead of that team.



How quickly people forget.

Carr Bombed
12-06-2010, 06:51 PM
I think the 2004 Texans would beat the 2010 Texans more than just once out of 100 tries. Kubiak can't even win more than half the games that he coaches now.

Doppelganger
12-06-2010, 07:06 PM
Thanks pal. I've only worn those stats as my signature since last offseason.
You da man.

Hey cut me some slack, "pal". I am new to this forum and don't know everyone's signatures and posting history by heart. I found an interesting stat and decided to post it.

Am I supposed to aquatint myself with everyone's signatures and posting history before I post?

Rey
12-06-2010, 07:09 PM
I think the 2004 Texans would beat the 2010 Texans more than just once out of 100 tries. Kubiak can't even win more than half the games that he coaches now.

Good point.

Talented or not, I just don't know if these current Texans could perform that consistently that many times out of 100.

Thorn
12-06-2010, 07:34 PM
Am I supposed to aquatint myself with everyone's signatures and posting history before I post?

Yes.








Just kidding. :lol:

Double Barrel
12-06-2010, 07:45 PM
I think the 2004 Texans would beat the 2010 Texans more than just once out of 100 tries. Kubiak can't even win more than half the games that he coaches now.

lol! Awesome point. Rep.

Doppelganger
12-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Yes.








Just kidding. :lol:

Yeah, I know. Its just hard to participate when you don't know the forum well (I just discovered the search button) or the people. Hopefully I can bring some relevant discussion in the future to the board.

Hardcore Texan
12-06-2010, 07:52 PM
Hey cut me some slack, "pal". I am new to this forum and don't know everyone's signatures and posting history by heart. I found an interesting stat and decided to post it.

Am I supposed to aquatint myself with everyone's signatures and posting history before I post?

Hang in there man, it is an eye-opening statistic of which alot of us have been aware of unfortunately. Just some ribbing from the ole timers. Keep posting, you're doing fine.

Lucky
12-06-2010, 11:19 PM
The current Texans haven't arrived but they are miles ahead of that team.
The 2010 Texans are better than a 2nd or 3rd year expansion team. Yippee.
How quickly people forget.
Forget what? That the first regime failed out of the box? How exactly does that ease the pain of the current regime's failure?

TheMatrix31
12-06-2010, 11:49 PM
The current Texans team would beat the 7-9 Capers' Texans 99 times out of 100.

That doesn't mean Kubiak should stay but it's true.


Agreed wholeheartedly. Just because the records are the same doesn't mean that absolutely no progress has been made if you look at some things specifically and not the big picture.


Jeez.

Texecutioner
12-07-2010, 12:23 AM
I think the 2004 Texans would beat the 2010 Texans more than just once out of 100 tries. Kubiak can't even win more than half the games that he coaches now.

You know what the sad part is CB??

The fact that we're even having conversations as to whether or not Kubiak's Texans could even beat Capers Texans as an attempt to compliment Kubes. Lol!!


How sad.

thunderkyss
12-07-2010, 03:45 AM
I think the 2004 Texans would beat the 2010 Texans more than just once out of 100 tries. Kubiak can't even win more than half the games that he coaches now.

But he has.

2007: 8-8
2008: 8-8
2009: 9-7

2010: 5-7

chances are we finish 8-8

97roc
12-07-2010, 06:46 AM
You know what the sad part is CB??

The fact that we're even having conversations as to whether or not Kubiak's Texans could even beat Capers Texans as an attempt to compliment Kubes. Lol!!


How sad.

I love the signature...

Double Barrel
12-07-2010, 11:33 AM
The 2010 Texans are better than a 2nd or 3rd year expansion team. Yippee.

Well...when you put it that way... :rake::texflag:

houstonspartan
12-07-2010, 06:57 PM
You know what the sad part is CB??

The fact that we're even having conversations as to whether or not Kubiak's Texans could even beat Capers Texans as an attempt to compliment Kubes. Lol!!


How sad.

Damn that is sad when you put it that way.

Kind of ridiculus what this fan base has been reduced to. It's almost like we've accepted our fate of always being mediocre.

Quick edit: What also sad is that mediocre is one of those words I've always struggled to spell, yet thanks to this team forcing me to spell it, I can spell it in my sleep.

Texecutioner
12-07-2010, 07:03 PM
I love the signature...

Thanks, but give False Start the credit. I thought Rey started it, but it was actually False Start. Rey got repped any way though. But yeah give False Start a rep when you get the chance.

JB
12-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Thanks, but give False Start the credit. I thought Rey started it, but it was actually False Start. Rey got repped any way though. But yeah give False Start a rep when you get the chance.

So maybe you could change your sig?

Texecutioner
12-07-2010, 07:22 PM
So maybe you could change your sig?

I will. I'll be quite pleased when you add my new sig to yours as well. :)

Fred
12-07-2010, 07:26 PM
Don't you really think there are already enough threads about this?

That is brand new information.

:sarcasm:

Thanks pal. I've only worn those stats as my signature since last offseason.
You da man.

The point of Solomon (and I assume the OP) is not just that Kubiak is 5-7 for the fourth year in a row, it is that Capers - universally agreed to be a failure - was also 5-7 for two years and that Kubiak is zero improvement over Capers.

A constant drumbeat any time Kubiak is criticized (or analyzed honestly) is "Now wait a minute. Look how far he has bought the Texans. They only won 2 games before he arrived, and he got them to the 6 to 9 win range in only one, well two, well three, well four, well OK five years!" OK, they had a bad year in 2005 - they were 7-9 the year before that and Kubiak has never made much improvement on that.

So no, there aren't enough threads about it as long as people keep pretending like the pre-Kubiak Texans never won more than two games. So yeah, this is new information (at least to radio talk show hosts in this town). And Dexman, I keep missing the 5-7 in 2003 and 2004 in your sig.

The current Texans team would beat the 7-9 Capers' Texans 99 times out of 100.

That doesn't mean Kubiak should stay but it's true.

Talent wise this is true. But the fact that Kubiak can barely beat Capers record with that much talent shows how much worse than Capers he is as a coach. Which we all thought was setting the bar pretty low...

JB
12-07-2010, 07:42 PM
I will. I'll be quite pleased when you add my new sig to yours as well. :)

Getting closer every game... :D

2slik4u
12-07-2010, 09:30 PM
I know some of yall don't like his work, but he put a great stat in his piece.

"The Texans have gone from the bad old days under Dom Capers, when they were 5-7 after 12 games (in 2003 and 2004), to today, when after 12 games they are, um, 5-7. As they were last year. And the year before that. And the year before that."

That tells us a lot. Take the 2 win season out. But the 2 years previously, Capers had the team to 5-7 after 12 games in 2003 and 2004. Those teams ended with records of 5-11 and 7-9 respectively. In 2008/2009 they finished 8-8 and 9-7 respectively, and this year looks like another 7-9 season.

JS makes the point that we have basically not improved and that whatever wins we have are at the end of the season. The fact that we are winning late, tells me the players still play for the coach. BUT, it also means we are winning essentially meaningless games. This was a prime year to take the division. The Colts are down, the Titans are in shambles, and the Jags are beatable. In addition, our D let us down in 4 games that we should have won. We should be a 9 win team right now thinking about not the playoffs, not the division title, but a potential first round bye.

That right there tells me its time for Gary to go. We need a real head coach and not a glorified offensive coordinator.

uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh?

:kitten:

Welcome to the boards......I guess????

ensign_lee
12-07-2010, 11:11 PM
No. HWWNBN would have 8 sacks and 3 picks. Half the sacks would be running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Schaub, AJ and Foster would make it look like pitch and catch on the way to a 52 point game. The current Texans haven't arrived but they are miles ahead of that team.

Yes. THIS.

burro
12-08-2010, 01:22 AM
Frankly, I've always thought that Capers' got scapegoated. If the Texans had the level of talent then that they do now, I would think they would have made the playoffs under Capers'. After all, we are talking about a guy that in two seasons took an expansion team to the NFC championship. Unfortunately, that's all irrelevant now. The best we can hope for is that McNair doesn't find a way to downgrade from Kubiak.