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beerlover
12-06-2010, 02:10 PM
We are headed at this point into the offseason with a lot of uncertainty so instead of creating mock draft based on what the Texans need or will do lets help each other analyize all NFL prospects, then grade them accordingly on who & where we expect them to be selected.

here is one we can start with Fantasy Football Toolbox - http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2011/top-nfl-prospects-for-2011.cfm it's less than one month old so its a little dated but it can be a starting point. For instance I would grade Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida ahead of Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia (who knows Jenkins could wind up being the Texans 1st rd. pick when all is said & done).

anyway this is just general information gathering at this point see if we as collective group can create something useful & constructive?

1.Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2.A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
3.Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4.Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5.Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
6.Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
7.Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8.Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
9.Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State - 6'5" - 288
10.Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
11.Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
12.Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
13.Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
14.Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
15.Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16.Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
17.Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
18.Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia - 6'2 - 200
19.Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
20.Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida - 5'11 - 186
21.Bruce Carter, LB, North Carolina - 6'3 - 230
22.Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23.Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
24.Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
25.Rodney Hudson, C, Florida State - 6'2 - 282
26.Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh - 6'6 - 270
27.Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma - 6'3 - 267
28.Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska - 6'6 - 285
29.Rahim Moore, S, UCLA - 6'1 - 196
30.Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - 6-3 - 227
31.Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
32.Jurrell Casey, DT, USC - 6'1 - 305

rmartin65
12-06-2010, 04:50 PM
Good idea, as if a new coach is hired, depending on the scheme it will really jack up mock drafts. Biggest thing wrong with that board is Dowling. He is not a top 50 prospect, let alone top 32.

drs23
12-06-2010, 04:54 PM
I've been hearing so much about Oliver's kid I've really been wanting to watch him play but I've not seen a Cardinal game listed yet. Is he as good as everyone thinks? When can we see him play? Bowl game?

Doppelganger
12-06-2010, 06:23 PM
I don't think Jared Crick is a 1st round pick. He is spotty and has a hot/cold motor. Sometimes he shows up and other times he does not. I see him as a 3rd round talent.

rmartin65
12-06-2010, 06:36 PM
I've been hearing so much about Oliver's kid I've really been wanting to watch him play but I've not seen a Cardinal game listed yet. Is he as good as everyone thinks? When can we see him play? Bowl game?

Yes. In a word, yes. He could be starting for 90% of NFL teams this Sunday.

Stanford plays VA Tech in the Orange Bowl on Jan 3rd.

JB
12-06-2010, 06:40 PM
Yes. In a word, yes. He could be starting for 90% of NFL teams this Sunday.

Stanford plays VA Tech in the Orange Bowl on Jan 3rd.

His dad certainly had the smarts to play the position. He just didn't quite have what it took physically. This young man does.

rmartin65
12-06-2010, 06:44 PM
His dad certainly had the smarts to play the position. He just didn't quite have what it took physically. This young man does.

Yep. Seriously, this kid is on my draft watch, and I dont necessarily think Schaub needs to be replaced. I think we should draft a future replacement, but an immediate starter is not high on my needs list.

However, if somehow the Texans found themselves in a position to get Luck (either he falls, or through a trade up), I would be ecstatic.

Off the top of my head, the only QBs in the NFL that are hands down better than him are Peyton, Rivers and Rogers.

JB
12-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Yep. Seriously, this kid is on my draft watch, and I dont necessarily think Schaub needs to be replaced. I think we should draft a future replacement, but an immediate starter is not high on my needs list.

However, if somehow the Texans found themselves in a position to get Luck (either he falls, or through a trade up), I would be ecstatic.

Off the top of my head, the only QBs in the NFL that are hands down better than him are Peyton, Rivers and Rogers.

Actually, when you consider Peyton's age and Rivers asshattery, only Rogers would be considered a better value right now...imo.

beerlover
12-06-2010, 06:55 PM
I would trade Schaub along with the Texans 1st rd. pick for the #1 overall selection if Luck comes out.

Back to reality. So drop Crick & Dowling. Now who to add & where?

1.Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2.A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
3.Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4.Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5.Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
6.Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
7.Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8.Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
9.Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State - 6'5" - 288
10.Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
11.Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
12.Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
13.Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
14.Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
15.Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16.Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
17.Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
18.
19.Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
20.Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida - 5'11 - 186
21.Bruce Carter, LB, North Carolina - 6'3 - 230
22.Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23.Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
24.Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
25.Rodney Hudson, C, Florida State - 6'2 - 282
26.Greg Romeus, DE, Pittsburgh - 6'6 - 270
27.Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma - 6'3 - 267
28.
29.Rahim Moore, S, UCLA - 6'1 - 196
30.Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame - 6-3 - 227
31.Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
32.Jurrell Casey, DT, USC - 6'1 - 305

rmartin65
12-06-2010, 06:59 PM
Call me a homer, but I think Travis Lewis deserves late 1st round consideration. Great size and athleticism, and just makes plays.

I have a suggestion for the format though. Instead of starting off with a board, why dont we just build from scratch?

Luck would be number 1, who is number 2? I would say Peterson, not Green.

JB
12-06-2010, 07:06 PM
No Von Miller in the first? I haven't seen him that much, but there seems to be a lot of people high on him.

beerlover
12-06-2010, 07:30 PM
Call me a homer, but I think Travis Lewis deserves late 1st round consideration. Great size and athleticism, and just makes plays.

I have a suggestion for the format though. Instead of starting off with a board, why dont we just build from scratch?

Luck would be number 1, who is number 2? I would say Peterson, not Green.

as always good idea! so luck it is.
my vote for #2 would be Patrick Peterson, DB LSU

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235

beerlover
12-06-2010, 07:35 PM
next grouping -

33. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida - 6'5 - 320
34. Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina - 6'3 - 305
35. Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame - 6'6 - 265
36. Mike Brewster, C, Ohio State - 6'5 - 293
37. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
38. Terrence Toliver, WR, LSU - 6'5 - 204
39. DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson - 6'0 - 215
40. Joseph Barksdale, OT, LSU - 6'5 - 315
41. Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State - 6'1 - 240
42. Jerrell Powe, DT, Mississippi - 6'2 - 320
43. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327
44. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
45. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
46. Christian Ballard, DE, Iowa - 6'5 - 297
47. Travis Lewis, LB, Oklahoma - 6'2 - 232
48. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
49. Deunta Williams, S, North Carolina - 6'2 - 210
50. Chimdi Chekwa, CB, Ohio State - 6'0 - 190
51. Terrelle Pryor, QB, Ohio State - 6-6 - 233
52. DeMarcus Love, OT, Arkansas - 6'5 - 315
53. Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia - 5'8 - 176
54. Drake Nevis, DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
55. DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma - 6'1 - 207
56. Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State - 6'3 - 306

JB
12-06-2010, 07:36 PM
Are you going Texans big board or NFL big board?

Are you going to rank numerically or within tiers?

Doppelganger
12-06-2010, 10:18 PM
as always good idea! so luck it is.
my vote for #2 would be Patrick Peterson, DB LSU

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235

Perhaps it would be easier if we group picks (by 5's) rather than try to do it one by one?

Here is my current top 5(subject to change)

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
3 .Marcell Dareus DT, Alabama
4. Anthony Castonzo, OT Boston Coll.
5. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina

beerlover
12-06-2010, 10:29 PM
Are you going Texans big board or NFL big board?

Are you going to rank numerically or within tiers?

good questions.

I would say NFL BIG BOARD first then we could always revisit doing a Texan Big Board (closer to draft time when we know more)?

Simple numeric as a start. do numerically ranking going forward per position.

Really everyone may have a differnent approach, I'm open to ideas. If all goes smooth can expand to a top 50 or 60 which should help everyone with their individual mocks. rmartin65 is the best, I've worked with him lots he usually has breakdowns of most positions, that would be an excellent start.

steelbtexan
12-06-2010, 11:37 PM
2nd pick if we're going by Talent/Value

Patrick Peterson CB LSU

beerlover
12-07-2010, 01:59 AM
2nd pick if we're going by Talent/Value

Patrick Peterson CB LSU

that's four, good enough consensus for our purpose so we have the first two picks nailed, right?

#1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
#2. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222

now it gets interesting. got one vote for Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama (Doppelganger1).

rmartin65
12-07-2010, 07:53 AM
I could see Darius, but I personally think Da'Quan Bowers is the 3rd guy here. He has freakish athleticism (Mario style), and finally put it together on the field this season.

Blake
12-07-2010, 08:52 AM
Call me a homer, but I think Travis Lewis deserves late 1st round consideration. Great size and athleticism, and just makes plays.

HOMER!!! j/k He is a very good player.

I have a suggestion for the format though. Instead of starting off with a board, why dont we just build from scratch?

Luck would be number 1, who is number 2? I would say Peterson, not Green.

Great idea. But I disagree on #2. Green is head and shoulders ahead of Peterson. Green is the best player in the draft that is NOT a QB.

Blake
12-07-2010, 08:55 AM
FYI Adrian Clayborn is vastly overrated at this point. He just did not show up like he is capable, and was supposed to this year. I say right now he is bottom 1st or high 2nd. With a good offseason he could shoot up the board to a 3-4 team in need.

rmartin65
12-07-2010, 09:02 AM
HOMER!!! j/k He is a very good player.



Great idea. But I disagree on #2. Green is head and shoulders ahead of Peterson. Green is the best player in the draft that is NOT a QB.

I think Green will be an excellent player, dont get me wrong. But Peterson will also be an excellent player, and excellent CBs (or FSs) are less common than excellent receivers.

I do change my #3 vote to Green though, that was an oversight of mine.

FYI Adrian Clayborn is vastly overrated at this point. He just did not show up like he is capable, and was supposed to this year. I say right now he is bottom 1st or high 2nd. With a good offseason he could shoot up the board to a 3-4 team in need.

I echo this. Came into the season as a top 3 pick, and has not played like one.

Blake
12-07-2010, 09:30 AM
To start. My top 20.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. AJ Green, WR, Georgia
3. Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska
4. Patrick Peterson, CB, Louisiana State
5. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama
7. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
8. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
9. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
10. Von Miller, LB, Texas A&M
11. Jon Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh
12. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
13. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA
14. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama
15. Robert Quinn, DE/LB, North Carolina
16. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn
17. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami FL
19. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
20. Ryan Kerrigan, LB, Perdue

beerlover
12-07-2010, 11:19 AM
anyone else think Cam Newton pulls a Vince Young & by next April moves up to #3?

I'm torn on #3 pick in the draft, it's going to be fluid & everchanging which is a good thing to bring up now (is player currently rated this high have skill set, star power & NFL following to hold onto position in four months). Alot of these guys are underclassman, they have to deceide early Janurary if they're coming out or change minds which probably means other than bowl game the last look we have will be the combine.

To me there are some killer WR's in this draft a whole bunch of quality linemen you could throw a blanket over but there are only two stud DB's with both size, physical nauture to shutdown a zone & playmaking skills that rival a WR that's Peterson & Prince Amukamara. So I think teams will be looking for secondary help early & teams will be on one guy or the other. with that said as good as AJ Green could be (very lean, Moss like build) or Da'Quan Bowers (blend of power & speed but does he take plays off) my 3rd overall selection of the 2011 draft as of now would be Prince Amukamara.


1 1/2 votes WR AJ Green
1 vote DB Prince Amukamara
1/2 vote DE Da'Quan Bowers

76Texan
12-07-2010, 11:31 AM
For instance I would grade Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida ahead of Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia (who knows Jenkins could wind up being the Texans 1st rd. pick when all is said & done).

I haven't got much time to study these prospects, but at your suggestion, I pulled out the Gators-Tides game.

I like what I see in Ja. Jenkins. He looks like an athlete... pretty smooth.
I want to watch some more of him.
I didn't pay much attention to him last year since he wasn't a prospect at the time, but I think I like him.
I'm not sure the Texans will draft a CB though.
(Even though I'm open to the thought of converting one of our CB to FS, I'm not sure Kubiak would be too keen on that.)

I'm still reserving judgment on SS Barron.
Can't say for sure if he can become a solid NFL player or not.
But with what we got on the team right now, he certainly looks like a possible option.
In which round do you think he will land?

beerlover
12-07-2010, 11:46 AM
I haven't got much time to study these prospects, but at your suggestion, I pulled out the Gators-Tides game.

I like what I see in Ja. Jenkins. He looks like an athlete... pretty smooth.
I want to watch some more of him.
I didn't pay much attention to him last year since he wasn't a prospect at the time, but I think I like him.
I'm not sure the Texans will draft a CB though.
(Even though I'm open to the thought of converting one of our CB to FS, I'm not sure Kubiak would be too keen on that.)

I'm still reserving judgment on SS Barron.
Can't say for sure if he can become a solid NFL player or not.
But with what we got on the team right now, he certainly looks like a possible option.
In which round do you think he will land?

Watching Florida & Janoris Jenkins, CB, (5'11 - 186) reminds me alot of Dunta Robinson pre-injury. reported sub 4.4 speed good technique as cover corner but does not have dominant physical presence & measureables of a Peterson or Prince. I really like him for the Texans early teens. That would allow Bush & Co one last shot to shuffle roster & get players in positions to succeed. Allen and/or Quinn could fill safety position, Jenkins is a cover corner only, Kareem seems more like a nickle CB who can take CB reps.

Right now we are trying to figure out who the 3rd overall pick in the NFL draft should be? welcome your input, love your film study work :)

steelbtexan
12-07-2010, 03:15 PM
On my big board #3

A.J. Green WR Georgia

Green is the best college WR I've seen since Moss. Great size,quickness in and out of breaks, hands plucks the ball naturally. He has good enough speed but isn't a blazer. Think Fitzgerald but a bit faster.

Blake
12-07-2010, 04:55 PM
On my big board #3

A.J. Green WR Georgia

Green is the best college WR I've seen since Moss. Great size,quickness in and out of breaks, hands plucks the ball naturally. He has good enough speed but isn't a blazer. Think Fitzgerald but a bit faster.

If Fitz and Desean Jackson had a baby.

beerlover
12-07-2010, 07:54 PM
everybody good with another AJ being selected #3 overall?

1.Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2.Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

rmartin65
12-07-2010, 07:57 PM
Sounds good to me. I stick with my guy Bowers at 4, but I could see a couple other players here.

JB
12-07-2010, 07:58 PM
everybody good with another AJ being selected #3 overall?

1.Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2.Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

That's lookin' pretty good.

Now should it be Bowers, Amukamara, Dareus or Quinn? Or other?


Locker? Fairley?

Doppelganger
12-07-2010, 08:25 PM
That's lookin' pretty good.

Now should it be Bowers, Amukamara, Dareus or Quinn? Or other?


Locker? Fairley?

I like Dareus here. Versatile lineman who can play in a 4-3, 3-4, can play DT or DE.

steelbtexan
12-07-2010, 09:38 PM
4th on the board if running a 4-3 Bowers, if 3-4 Dareus

I will go with potential higher upside over a given. 4th on my big board

Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson

beerlover
12-07-2010, 11:19 PM
Marcell Dareus is coming off injury right? while the times I've watched Bowers he has been inconsistant, not sure if you would call it taking plays off or not but not the high motor of a Ryan Kerrigan for example. I still have to push for Prince Amukamara, just doesn't get challenged enough in Big 12. He has elite size to match-up against true NFL #1's like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White. Strong enough to jam @ scrimmage & contest routes without getting blown off like some smaller corners.

steelbtexan
12-08-2010, 07:50 AM
Marcell Dareus is coming off injury right? while the times I've watched Bowers he has been inconsistant, not sure if you would call it taking plays off or not but not the high motor of a Ryan Kerrigan for example. I still have to push for Prince Amukamara, just doesn't get challenged enough in Big 12. He has elite size to match-up against true NFL #1's like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White. Strong enough to jam @ scrimmage & contest routes without getting blown off like some smaller corners.

Bowers plays has been asked to play on the strong side alot this yr. He has done a good job holding up against the run. In the games I've seen he's also made TFL's.

Prince is next on my list. He's also a stud, I consider Bowers=Prince, but I consider a premium pass rusher more valuable than a shut down corner.

Example Jets, Revis/Cromartie are great. But Brady tore up the Jets because of the lack of a pass rush.

beerlover
12-08-2010, 11:03 AM
I don't want to copycat anyone elses work out there. This should OUR board from Texan fans who are into the draft & follow College Football. But here is a real valid early look from Rob Rang, Senior Analyst for NFL Draft Scout (CBS) - http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14404254/luck-likely-nfls-top-pick-if-he-declares

1. QB Andrew Luck, Stanford: The redshirt sophomore has the physical tools that merit No. 1 overall consideration, but it will be his Manning-like cognitive skills that will someday send him to the Pro Bowl.

2. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU: There has never been a cornerback selected higher than No. 3 overall (most recently, Shawn Springs to Seattle in 1993). If Peterson leaves early, he could go as high as No. 2.

3. WR AJ Green, Georgia: Green's size, straight-line speed and body control has been compared by some scouts to a young Randy Moss. The junior has perennial Pro Bowl-caliber talent.

4. DT Nick Fairley, Auburn: Entering the season he was barely a blip on scouts' radar. He's been as dominant and surprising as his teammate Cam Newton -- and would be a higher pick if the draft were held today.

5. DE Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson: Among the most highly touted prep prospects in the country, all Bowers has done is consistently improve, winning the ACC Defensive Player of the Year as a junior with an FBS-leading 15.5 sacks and 25 tackles for loss.

6. CB Prince Amukamara, Nebraska: Count me among those who questioned how well Amukamara would fare without Ndamukong Suh terrorizing quarterbacks. Considering he's my top-rated senior prospect and the Big 12 coaches' Defensive Player of the Year, he's more than answered his doubters.

7. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina: Don't let the yearlong suspension fool you: NFL scouts still consider Quinn a potential top-10 talent. Think Julius Peppers, but with a more consistent motor.

8. OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M: Explosive rushing the passer and agile enough to break down in space to make the open-field tackle, Miller is drawing the praise from scouts of 4-3 and 3-4 teams alike.

9. QB Cam Newton, Auburn: With Michael Vick terrorizing the NFL, Newton's unique combination of running and passing talent will certainly garner a first-round pick. Scouts question whether he can make the transition from the spread to a pro-style offense, but any concerns about his mental toughness have been answered with his poise throughout the NCAA investigation.

10. OLB Akeem Ayers, UCLA: At 6-4, 255, Ayers possesses a combination of size and athletic ability virtually unmatched in college football.

11. RB Trent Richardson, Alabama: He might be Mark Ingram's backup at Alabama, but a more impressive size/speed combination should ultimately make this true sophomore a higher drafted prospect.

12. ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College: Kuechly emerged as an immediate impact defender with Mark Herzlich sidelined in 2009, earning first-team All-ACC honors as a true freshman. He's been even better this season with Herzlich back, once again earning all-conference accolades and leading the country in solo (171) and total tackles (102) as a true sophomore.

13. OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State: One of the few senior offensive tackles blessed with the athleticism to remain on the left side in the NFL, Sherrod was honored four times this year as the SEC's Offensive Lineman of the Week.

14. RB Mark Ingram, Alabama: Should the 2009 Heisman winner elect to enter the draft, Ingram will unquestionably rate as 2011's top running back prospect. Even though, in my opinion, he rates second on his own team.

15. OT Nate Solder, Colorado: Like Derek Sherrod, Solder has the athleticism to remain on the blind side in the pros -- quite a statement considering his skyscraper (6-8, 315-pound) frame.

16. WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State: A virtual shoo-in for the 2010 Biletnikof Award as the nation's top receiver despite only being a redshirt sophomore, Blackmon's success against top competition has the attention of scouts.

17. OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin: Carimi struggled with leverage early this season, but his improved technique is a prime reason why Wisconsin scored 40-plus points in five games this season and 70 or more three times.

18. RB Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina: In over 10 years of professional scouting I've only seen a few true freshmen physically capable of making the jump to the NFL. Lattimore, with good balance, vision and the forward lean to finish his runs, is one of them.

19. CB Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.): A two-time All-ACC selection despite this being only his junior season, Harris' silky smooth coverage has earned comparisons to some of the great 'Cane corners of the past.

20. DE Adrian Clayborn, Iowa: Consistently double-teamed this season, Clayborn hasn't had the monster campaign some projected, but his size, strength and technique make him a surefire first-round pick.

21. DE Cameron Jordan, California: Jordan's position and scheme versatility make him one of the country's best defensive linemen -- even if few outside of the Pac-10 know his name.

22. DT Marcell Dareus, Alabama: Primarily a defensive end for the Tide, Dareus fits best inside at the pro level. While he's stout at the point of attack, scouts would like to see more splashy plays to warrant the hype the junior has received throughout his career.

23. DE Aldon Smith, Missouri: If not for a broken leg that cost him three games early this season, the redshirt sophomore Smith might be higher on the list. Smith (6-5, 258) is one of the few defensive ends with the size and burst off the edge to project as a weak-side pass rusher.

24. OT Anthony Castonzo, Boston College: The four-year starter has gained strength and toughness over his career and still possesses the athleticism to play left tackle.

25. DE JJ Watts, Wisconsin: In a year of breakout performances, few have been more unexpected than that of this former Central Michigan player. At 6-6, 292, the junior is a prototypical 3-4 defensive end in the NFL.

26. WR Julio Jones, Alabama: Jones lacks the straight-line speed to warrant a high first-round selection, but his size and physicality make him more pro-ready than most collegiate wideouts. With more consistent hands, the junior would be ranked higher.

27. DE Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue: Kerrigan might lack the athleticism to wow in workouts, but his technique and motor arguably make him as safe a prospect as any senior in the country.

28. C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State: The nephew of former Penn State and Oakland Raider standout Steve, this Wisniewski plays with similar physicality and is more polished and versatile than his famous uncle.

29. DT Drake Nevis, LSU: Nevis has been dominant this season, but his lack of size (6-2, 285) is a considerable concern to scouts. Many view him as a rotational player unworthy of a first-round selection.

30. WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina: At an estimated 6-4, 232 pounds, Jeffery reminds me a great deal of former USC standout and current Seattle Seahawks starter Mike Williams. Jeffery possesses good build-up speed, but to be successful in the NFL, the All-SEC pick must hone his skills as a route runner, as production in Steve Spurrier's offense has yet to translate into immediate success at the professional level.

31. DE/OLB Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma: Capable of pressuring the quarterback from the three-point stance or standing up, he can also drop back into coverage. The versatile defender could wind up as Oklahoma's 13th first-round pick since 2000.

32. DL Cameron Heyward, Ohio State: With only 2.5 sacks on the year, the late Ironhead Heyward's son isn't a candidate to remain outside in the 4-3, but his strength and length as a 3-4 end could still result in a first-round selection.

Rob Rang is a Senior Draft Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange. Follow him on Twitter @RobRang.

Blake
12-08-2010, 01:35 PM
I am fine with Green at #3, even though I feel he is and will be better than Peterson. But its whatev at this point.

#4 I have Prince Amukamara, Ryan Mallett, then Marcell Dareus.

beerlover
12-08-2010, 07:01 PM
its already gotten tougher trying to establish who in College Football is the #4 prospect coming out. We need more input from Texan draft gurus who fancy this kind of discussion. Right now looks like Prince Amukamara is the front runner but I'm looking for more consensus.

JB
12-08-2010, 07:04 PM
its already gotten tougher trying to establish who in College Football is the #4 prospect coming out. We need more input from Texan draft gurus who fancy this kind of discussion. Right now looks like Prince Amukamara is the front runner but I'm looking for more consensus.

Though I am no draft guru, at #4 I go with Amukamara, though Fairley is moving up pretty fast. If he has a big NC game, and impresses afterwards, I can see him here.

kiwitexansfan
12-08-2010, 07:20 PM
If Fitz and Desean Jackson had a baby.

Thats pretty high praise, nearly the perfect wideout.

Doppelganger
12-08-2010, 07:47 PM
If Fitz and Desean Jackson had a baby.

Thats pretty high praise, nearly the perfect wideout.

The perfect one would be Jerry Rice and Andre Johnson's kid.

steelbtexan
12-08-2010, 08:50 PM
I change my vote to Prince at #4

beerlover
12-08-2010, 11:59 PM
everybody good with Prince #4 overall?

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, CB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

nero THE zero
12-09-2010, 09:23 AM
I'd go with Bowers at 4, personally

beerlover
12-09-2010, 12:14 PM
I'd go with Bowers at 4, personally

it's hard to please everyone, but I do want accuracy. if you like, state your case & let your fellow board members deceide or we could just submit his name as a leading prospect to be the 5th best player available (assuming he comes out early, Junior).

I can't quite get a handle where he projects next level, is he a 3-4 OLB like Ware or 4-3 DE ala former Giant Michael Strahan? teams will have varying opinion.

painekiller
12-09-2010, 08:09 PM
I'd go with Fairly as #4.

steelbtexan
12-09-2010, 08:43 PM
Bowers at # 5

He remids me of MW lite.

JB
12-09-2010, 08:48 PM
Bowers at # 5

He remids me of MW lite.

I'm going to go with Fairley at #5. He reminds me of Suh lite.

steelbtexan
12-09-2010, 09:29 PM
I'm going to go with Fairley at #5. He reminds me of Suh lite.

Fairley reminds me of a young Warren Sapp. He's certianly worthy of #5

But I just like Bowers a little more. Not much but by a smidgen.

JB
12-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Fairley reminds me of a young Warren Sapp. He's certianly worthy of #5

But I just like Bowers a little more. Not much but by a smidgen.

For the Texans I like Fairley a smidgen more...

beerlover
12-09-2010, 10:07 PM
Looks like consensus is between Bowers & Fairley picks #5 & #6. I would have to lean slighlty towards Bowers (6-4 275 DE) in measureable department (Fairley 6-5 298 DT) think Fariley gets tied up more than Bowers in NFL match-ups hence makes more impact. However inside tackles who can make plays are worth weight in gold. Sometimes I wonder if a positional coach has input when cross comparing notes with scouting team in or before the War Room. I'm sure Kollar would love him some Fairley.

Blake
12-10-2010, 07:56 AM
Looks like consensus is between Bowers & Fairley picks #5 & #6. I would have to lean slighlty towards Bowers (6-4 275 DE) in measureable department (Fairley 6-5 298 DT) think Fariley gets tied up more than Bowers in NFL match-ups hence makes more impact. However inside tackles who can make plays are worth weight in gold. Sometimes I wonder if a positional coach has input when cross comparing notes with scouting team in or before the War Room. I'm sure Kollar would love him some Fairley.

I am fine with Bowers 5, but we also have to remember that there are 2 franchise signal callers still on the board, and an Oklahoma State WR that has been phenomenal this year.

steelbtexan
12-10-2010, 09:34 AM
I am fine with Bowers 5, but we also have to remember that there are 2 franchise signal callers still on the board, and an Oklahoma State WR that has been phenomenal this year.

I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.

painekiller
12-10-2010, 10:11 AM
Boy am I glad I am not looking for a QB this year, after Luck there is a huge drop off. For you guys to be calling Mallett and Locker top 10 picks in any draft point to a draft with very little talent.

Both of those guys are overrated, and I know some team desperate for a QB will reach and try to make one of them a savior. See what happens to the teams that have done that in the past, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell, and Alex Smith.

steelbtexan
12-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Boy am I glad I am not looking for a QB this year, after Luck there is a huge drop off. For you guys to be calling Mallett and Locker top 10 picks in any draft point to a draft with very little talent.

Both of those guys are overrated, and I know some team desperate for a QB will reach and try to make one of them a savior. See what happens to the teams that have done that in the past, David Carr, JaMarcus Russell, and Alex Smith.

Agreed

I think Locker has a chance to be good not great, certianly not a top 10 pick. Picking Mallett would scare the heck out of me. How many 6'7 QB's have been successful in the NFL? He has good but not great accuracy and terrible footwork. IMHO He does have a rocket arm though and I'm sure some team will fall in love with Mallett at the combine.

If I were a GM and needed a QB. I would go the safe route and give Philly a call on Kolb. A 2011 2nd and 3rd and a 2012 3rd should get the deal done and that might be over paying.

But if I were a QB away like Oakland or not so much Arizona that would not bee to much of a price to pay. IMHO

Blake
12-10-2010, 10:31 AM
I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.

Blackmon. I like his hands, and athleticism better than Jones who has questionable hands.

I thought it was an overall big board. Cause it doesnt make sense to have Luck at the top when we have Schaub. (Yeah yeah i know some would take Luck and trade Schaub)

rmartin65
12-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Yeah, Locker and Mallett are no longer franchise QBs in my eyes. Both have too many question marks.

Bowers at 5, Fairly at 6.

beerlover
12-10-2010, 12:10 PM
I could see a QB needy team like the Cards,49ers,Raiders etc... moving up into the top 5 and taking Locker and Mallett.

There could be a trading frenzy at the top of the draft.

Do you have Julio Jones or Blackmon rated higher?

Is this a Texans big board or a overall big board? If it's a Texans big board I could see the Texans rating Fairley higher than Bowers. Although that's not the way I would rank them.

I'm tasking all of you to help create a NFL Big Board which reflects the Best Player Available OVERALL who is draft eligible or expected to be draft eligible in 2011. If we can come up with a pure board based on talent we can use it later in Mock Drafts to determine likely position, team needs & draft order.

beerlover
12-10-2010, 12:21 PM
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298

thanks rmartin65 for resolving this issue, I could go either way.

So here you guys go, we're on to the #7 overall pick. remember the goal is to determine the best player on the board who will likely apply to the 2011 draft. Blackmon for instance is a Sophomore & not eligible. It's going to get real tricky now so we need everybody to contribute. thanks

BL

Blake
12-10-2010, 12:48 PM
[B] Blackmon for instance is a Sophomore & not eligible. It's going to get real tricky now so we need everybody to contribute. thanks

BL

Isnt Blackmon a redshirt sophomore? IE 3years removed?

I think the next few that we should consider are:

Blackmon
Ryan FREAKING Mallett
Marcell Dareus

JB
12-10-2010, 01:05 PM
Either Dareus or Quinn

beerlover
12-10-2010, 01:17 PM
Isnt Blackmon a redshirt sophomore? IE 3years removed?

I think the next few that we should consider are:

Blackmon
Ryan FREAKING Mallett
Marcell Dareus

I stand corrected. Blackmon is draft eligible, redshirted as freshman makes him draft eligible in 2011. In that case I would have no issue ranking him high @ #7.

Blake
12-10-2010, 01:20 PM
I stand corrected. Blackmon is draft eligible, redshirted as freshman makes him draft eligible in 2011. In that case I would have no issue ranking him high @ #7.

Julio Jones is probably kicking himself by not playing up to his potential, and getting passed up by Blackmon. I think Blackmon is fine anywhere from 7-10.

rmartin65
12-10-2010, 01:24 PM
Mallett has bust written all over him. Strong arm, but makes dumb choices. I see shades of Leaf in his game/persona.

As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.

Blake
12-10-2010, 01:32 PM
Mallett has bust written all over him. Strong arm, but makes dumb choices. I see shades of Leaf in his game/persona.

As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.

I cant say for certain he will be an all pro or a bust. I will agree that he made some poor choices in the Bama game, that pretty much lost them the game. But he did lead his team to a 10-2 record in the SEC, losing to Auburn, and Alabama. 3600 yards, 30 TD's and 11 INT's. Has the cannon you spoke of, and VERY good size. 6'6" 228.

rmartin65
12-10-2010, 01:43 PM
I cant say for certain he will be an all pro or a bust. I will agree that he made some poor choices in the Bama game, that pretty much lost them the game. But he did lead his team to a 10-2 record in the SEC, losing to Auburn, and Alabama. 3600 yards, 30 TD's and 11 INT's. Has the cannon you spoke of, and VERY good size. 6'6" 228.

He looks great on paper, I agree. And in 90% of his play, he looks great as well. Its just under high pressure scenarios, he collapses. He is not a player I would take a risk on in the top 10. Same with Locker, not a top 10 guy.

Now, I would snatch either of them in the 2nd. In a heartbeat. While Schaub is not without flaws, he is a good NFL QB. Mallett or Locker could be groomed for 2 years, and then step in with nary a problem.

Blake
12-10-2010, 02:49 PM
As far as at 7, I like Quin. Dude has skills comparable to Peppers, and was not suspended due to character.

Quinn didnt play a down this year. Do we think its a good idea to have an unknown @#7? That is too big of a risk for someone this early. I think teens would be best.

steelbtexan
12-10-2010, 02:51 PM
I'm tasking all of you to help create a NFL Big Board which reflects the Best Player Available OVERALL who is draft eligible or expected to be draft eligible in 2011. If we can come up with a pure board based on talent we can use it later in Mock Drafts to determine likely position, team needs & draft order.

Thanks for the clarification

rmartin65
12-10-2010, 04:04 PM
Quinn didnt play a down this year. Do we think its a good idea to have an unknown @#7? That is too big of a risk for someone this early. I think teens would be best.

True, but he was top 1 or 2 before the suspension. The kid is the next great talent at DE, people are comparing him to Peppers.

beerlover
12-10-2010, 06:24 PM
True, but he was top 1 or 2 before the suspension. The kid is the next great talent at DE, people are comparing him to Peppers.

classic arguement elite playmaker with off field issues. talent wise everything you look for in a top 5 pick but with red flags he is sliding somewhere risk does not outweigh the reward, to a lesser degree with Cam Newton & Blackmon. the trick is to project which guys game transcends next level while keeping focused with big contract. For these reasons, of the three I would project Blackmon to be a guy people will feel should have gone earlier when all is said & done. He is a man playing amongst boys.

Doppelganger
12-10-2010, 06:26 PM
I am still going with Dareus. Maybe I am the only one driving his bandwagon, but I will stick with him!

steelbtexan
12-10-2010, 07:58 PM
classic arguement elite playmaker with off field issues. talent wise everything you look for in a top 5 pick but with red flags he is sliding somewhere risk does not outweigh the reward, to a lesser degree with Cam Newton & Blackmon. the trick is to project which guys game transcends next level while keeping focused with big contract. For these reasons, of the three I would project Blackmon to be a guy people will feel should have gone earlier when all is said & done. He is a man playing amongst boys.

Quinn is a hard worker. Who has overcome a hard upbringing (poor)

He did take $$$ from an agent but look at somebody like Bush or VY who went to UT for 3 yrs and scored a 6 on the Wunderlich.

It is what it is.

But Quinn's background tells me he more like Deacon Jones than Sean Jones.

painekiller
12-11-2010, 09:30 AM
I don't hand top 10 money to a kid who has shown zero maturity and total selfishness. That is my opinion of most of the Carolina guys who were suspended.

time for one of the following

Marcel Dareus
Allen Bailey
Stephen Paea
Adrian Clayborn

badboy
12-11-2010, 01:22 PM
I still like Patrick Peterson in first as CB/FS and a DT like Nevis in 2nd.

Texan4Ever
12-11-2010, 02:12 PM
I still like Patrick Peterson in first as CB/FS and a DT like Nevis in 2nd.


About Peterson, the guy has game and is a great cover corner, however, he's listed at 220-lbs, don't yall think that's too heavy for a CB?

beerlover
12-12-2010, 12:09 AM
So it is done.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306


Moving on to #8 overall. My vote goes to Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

beerlover
12-12-2010, 12:12 AM
About Peterson, the guy has game and is a great cover corner, however, he's listed at 220-lbs, don't yall think that's too heavy for a CB?

I think he can be a match-up nightmare for teams #1. otherwise might see some deep safety work & show off his playmaking skills. like Ed Reed.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 09:44 AM
So it is done.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306


Moving on to #8 overall. My vote goes to Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State. Other names to consider would be DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina, QB Cam Newton, Auburn.

lets keep it going guys, deceide these players order. that would make a solid Top 10 Draft Board. Then we can start ranking 11- 20 prospects, beginning with Cameron Jordan, Cal, DE.

Blake
12-13-2010, 10:00 AM
My votes go to:

Justin Blackmon #8
Ryan Mallett #9
Von Miller #10

Not a big Newton in the top #10 fan. Quinn would be 11-15 for me.

JB
12-13-2010, 10:23 AM
What about Paea?
And is there no OT in the top 10?
How high should Jenkins be?
Clayborn?

steelbtexan
12-13-2010, 10:42 AM
#8 Quin

But I could be talked into Mallett.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 10:51 AM
My votes go to:

Justin Blackmon #8
Ryan Mallett #9
Von Miller #10

Not a big Newton in the top #10 fan. Quinn would be 11-15 for me.

like him or not he will be a top 10 pick we just need to come to a consensus. It's not hard to project him having a huge Vince Young moment against the Oregon Ducks in the BCS game. Ducks are not a very good defense & there is precident from last years Rose Bowl when they got out physical by Ohio State & Terrel Pryor (26-17). Pryor, not close to Cam in passing department went 23/37 for 266 yards & 2 TD's also had 20 rushing attempts for 72 yards. I fully expect Cam to surpass those numbers on heels of his landside Heisman win http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5909569

Blake
12-13-2010, 11:06 AM
like him or not he will be a top 10 pick we just need to come to a consensus. It's not hard to project him having a huge Vince Young moment against the Oregon Ducks in the BCS game. Ducks are not a very good defense & there is precident from last years Rose Bowl when they got out physical by Ohio State & Terrel Pryor (26-17). Pryor, not close to Cam in passing department went 23/37 for 266 yards & 2 TD's also had 20 rushing attempts for 72 yards. I fully expect Cam to surpass those numbers on heels of his landside Heisman win http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5909569

Thats fine. Just giving my 2 cents. I think people will be scared off by his immaturity, and scandal if you will, yet I do believe that some team will snatch him up in the middle of the round. But if yall want to put him top 10 then thats fine too.

Doppelganger
12-13-2010, 11:08 AM
Newton at 8 for me.

Texan4Ever
12-13-2010, 11:19 AM
I like Blackmon (OK St.) at #8. He has tremendous upside and is a heck of a football player.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 11:28 AM
Thats fine. Just giving my 2 cents. I think people will be scared off by his immaturity, and scandal if you will, yet I do believe that some team will snatch him up in the middle of the round. But if yall want to put him top 10 then thats fine too.

don't take this the wrong way, you are one of this boards excellent talent evaluators & I respect your opinion. these are the same discussions that need to transpire to simulate the conversations in draft war rooms & scouting departments. Was Vince Young worth the #3 overall pick in the 2006 draft? alot of Houston Texans fans feel he was, however those few are becomming less & less vocal with events transpired in Tennessee. The other player I would compare Cam to is Ben Roethlisberger who the Texans passed on with the 10th pick in 04 in favor of Dunta Robinson despite having David Carr as the starting QB.

I'm leaning towards assigning Cam the 10th spot. Which leaves Blackmon/Quin as favorites to go #8 & #9 but as stated would like more input from members to come to a consensus. Blackmon pro comp is Andre while Quin is Peppers both deserving selections.

JB
12-13-2010, 11:30 AM
I think #8 is too high for Blackmon. I see him more as a 15-20 guy. I would not put any WR other than Green in the top 10. Maybe Paea or Clayborn at #8. Or maybe even Quinn.

Texan4Ever
12-13-2010, 11:32 AM
I think #8 is too high for Blackmon. I see him more as a 15-20 guy. I would not put any WR other than Green in the top 10. Maybe Paea or Clayborn at #8. Or maybe even Quinn.

Clayborn had a down year and IMO #8 is to high for Paea, so on talent alone Quinn would be a logical choice if we decide to keep Blackmon for later.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 12:11 PM
Clayborn had a down year and IMO #8 is to high for Paea, so on talent alone Quinn would be a logical choice if we decide to keep Blackmon for later.

done!

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

beerlover
12-13-2010, 12:36 PM
Anyone else besides Doppelganger1 want Cam Newton #9? Is he a better pro QB prospect than Ryan Mallett?

steelbtexan
12-13-2010, 12:47 PM
Mallett

I like Newton in the 10-15 range. Probably 12-13

JB
12-13-2010, 01:01 PM
I think Mallett is in the 20's unless he really impresses here on out.

Texan4Ever
12-13-2010, 02:57 PM
I would go with another defensive player at #9. Perhaps, Cameron Heyward, Adrian Clayborn, or Allen Bailey?

JB
12-13-2010, 02:59 PM
I would go with another defensive player at #9. Perhaps, Cameron Heyward, Adrian Clayborn, or Allen Bailey?

I'm thinking Clayborn, Paea or maybe Von Miller

Texan4Ever
12-13-2010, 03:59 PM
I'm thinking Clayborn, Paea or maybe Von Miller

I would be okay with Miller or Clayborn since they have put up good numbers overall. Paea, although a good player, is not top-10 talent...more like top 15.

painekiller
12-13-2010, 05:13 PM
Way to early for Mallett, IMO.

Miller is also to early.

I am thinking Newton needs to be in around 10, so 9 is not to out line, but no way I take him at 9 or 10, Micheal Vick he is not.

So I like Blackmon , Paea and Clayborn.

As for the OTs, I'm not lock into my ranking of them yet. I'm waiting for the Senior Bowl to be a better fix on them.

But one of them should be on our list around now Castonzo, Sherrod, Solder, Carimi and Love should all be 1st rounders. Pick one.

JB
12-13-2010, 05:27 PM
Does everyone think Blackmon is that much better than Julio Jones?

beerlover
12-13-2010, 06:31 PM
Does everyone think Blackmon is that much better than Julio Jones?

IMO Blackmon maybe raw but has #1 measureables. Julio is more refined, very good route runner, good hands & plus size but somthing tells me he is best suited to fill in the #2 role & primary red zone target. Julio would actually be a good fit for the Texans, would be an excellent compliment to Andre Johnson.

JB
12-13-2010, 06:41 PM
IMO Blackmon maybe raw but has #1 measureables. Julio is more refined, very good route runner, good hands & plus size but somthing tells me he is best suited to fill in the #2 role & primary red zone target. Julio would actually be a good fit for the Texans, would be an excellent compliment to Andre Johnson.

I really think that right now, Blackmon is a mid-twenties pick. I think he probably goes back to school next year.

I think Jones may be a 15-20 pick.

For pick # 9, perhaps it's time to look at the top OT's. You know for sure that come draft time, someone will be there.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 07:19 PM
I really think that right now, Blackmon is a mid-twenties pick. I think he probably goes back to school next year.

I think Jones may be a 15-20 pick.

For pick # 9, perhaps it's time to look at the top OT's. You know for sure that come draft time, someone will be there.

I would flip those but suffice to say we will agree to leave him (Blackmon) out of the Top 10.

Concerning OT's I just don't see one rated higher than say a Michael Oher, who was selected by the Ravens #23rd overall pick in 09. I still think one of the QB's already discussed & another DE maybe?

JB
12-13-2010, 07:23 PM
I would flip those but suffice to say we will agree to leave him (Blackmon) out of the Top 10.

Concerning OT's I just don't see one rated higher than say a Michael Oher, who was selected by the Ravens #23rd overall pick in 09. I still think one of the QB's already discussed & another DE maybe?

This is an overall big board right? I think you have to look at DE or a 34 specialist. If Miller has a great post season, he could go here. Similar to whatshisname that went to Washington.

beerlover
12-13-2010, 07:38 PM
This is an overall big board right? I think you have to look at DE or a 34 specialist. If Miller has a great post season, he could go here. Similar to whatshisname that went to Washington.

Yes, Overall Big Board.

If its a DE/DT my choice here would be California Bear Cameron Jordan, 6-4 285. his linemate Tyson Alualu surprised everyone going #10 overall to Jacksonville. Been pretty solid for a rookie moving inside. Second choice would be Iowa DE/DT Adrian Clayborn, 6-3 286.

beerlover
12-14-2010, 12:05 PM
done!

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

bump!

looking for #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9

JB
12-14-2010, 12:28 PM
bump!

looking for #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9

Any RB's worth this high a rating?

Blake
12-14-2010, 12:36 PM
bump!

looking for #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9, #9

A QB. Mallett/Locker/Newton.

steelbtexan
12-14-2010, 02:05 PM
#9 Ryan Mallett

beerlover
12-14-2010, 02:14 PM
#9 Ryan Mallett

if the consensus is Mallet so be it but I would rate Newton & Locker higher.

JB
12-14-2010, 02:16 PM
#9 Ryan Mallett

I don't think there is any way Mallett goes this high. And I don't think he will go before Newton. If Locker has a big game against Nebraska this time around, he will probably go before Mallett as well.

Blake
12-14-2010, 02:26 PM
if the consensus is Mallet so be it but I would rate Newton & Locker higher.

Well I guess flip a coin. Or we can meet in the middle and choose Locker. Lets move on to 10.

beerlover
12-14-2010, 02:42 PM
flipped a coin & its Locker. If he had come out last year Jake could have been a top 5 pick so I can live with it. I know there are some who would love to see him fall to their favorite team, but someone is going to need a QB & take him early, has all the measureables.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230


on to #10

how about Cal DE Cameron Jordan, 6-4 285?

Texan4Ever
12-14-2010, 02:52 PM
flipped a coin & its Locker. If he had come out last year Jake could have been a top 5 pick so I can live with it. I know there are some who would love to see him fall to their favorite team, but someone is going to need a QB & take him early, has all the measureables.

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230


on to #10

how about Cal DE Cameron Jordan, 6-4 285?



I'm good with Locker at #9, he has the physical tools that make GMs salvaite so that's fine. I personally like Clayborn or Bailey at #10, don't no much about Jordan however.

I expect the next few slots to go to defensive players because theres not much offensive talent this year (there is but not anything impressive IMO).

steelbtexan
12-14-2010, 03:33 PM
I'm good with Locker at #9, he has the physical tools that make GMs salvaite so that's fine. I personally like Clayborn or Bailey at #10, don't no much about Jordan however.

I expect the next few slots to go to defensive players because theres not much offensive talent this year (there is but not anything impressive IMO).

#10 Newton

Dont know much about Jordan. But if I had to pick a DE Clayborn would be my pick. He's not flashy but will be a 10 yr starter. Particullarly if he goes to a 3/4 team.

Blake
12-14-2010, 03:49 PM
Seeing as how this could take a really long time let me throw out an idea. What if we were to get everyone who wanted to participate to give us the rest of their top 32. We can take the average of where they are slotted and put them on the big board. Any ties would be debated.

Or we can keep doing it this way.

steelbtexan
12-14-2010, 04:28 PM
Sounds like a great idea to me.

But I like the back and forth debate also.

This MB has great mock drafters and I like there thoughts on players that I might have a different idea than. Or a guy like Cam Jordan who I know very little about. But will study up on him bfore the combine. Any info on Jordan would be helpful.

painekiller
12-14-2010, 05:04 PM
if the consensus is Mallet so be it but I would rate Newton & Locker higher.

I agree with you Locker is a higher rated player than Mallet

painekiller
12-14-2010, 05:07 PM
Mark Ingram will be coming into the debat soon, he is the highest RB in the draft.

At 10 I have Clayborn or Paea

beerlover
12-14-2010, 05:24 PM
Seeing as how this could take a really long time let me throw out an idea. What if we were to get everyone who wanted to participate to give us the rest of their top 32. We can take the average of where they are slotted and put them on the big board. Any ties would be debated.

Or we can keep doing it this way.

if we can maintain this pace our taxanstalk group Big Board should be completed by the BCS game. by that time everyone, including underclassman will be dialed in & ready for everyone's mocking pleasure :mail:

beerlover
12-14-2010, 05:25 PM
Mark Ingram will be coming into the debat soon, he is the highest RB in the draft.

At 10 I have Clayborn or Paea

what would you think of an Ingram/Foster backfield? think the Texans would run the ball more?

JB
12-14-2010, 05:25 PM
Mark Ingram will be coming into the debat soon, he is the highest RB in the draft.

At 10 I have Clayborn or Paea

I concur!

beerlover
12-14-2010, 08:18 PM
#10 Newton

Dont know much about Jordan. But if I had to pick a DE Clayborn would be my pick. He's not flashy but will be a 10 yr starter. Particullarly if he goes to a 3/4 team.

this is what Rob Rang says about Jordon - Jordan, 6-4, 285, doesn't have the name recognition of some of the other top defensive linemen available, but his size, production and versatility could result in a "surprise" first-round selection as similar traits did last year for former teammate Tyson Alualu.

Has more range than Clayborn from what I've seen, Clayborn has a better motor. Rang - Clayborn isn't a dynamic edge rusher - a reason why he may slip to the middle or late first round

I know the guys want to go defense but Cam is still on the board & when I flipped the coin it was heads/Locker tails/Newton :evil:

JB
12-14-2010, 08:23 PM
this is what Rob Rang says about Jordon -

Has more range than Clayborn from what I've seen, Clayborn has a better motor. Rang -

I know the guys want to go defense but Cam is still on the board & when I flipped the coin it was heads/Locker tails/Newton :evil:

I would be fine with Newton at #10

beerlover
12-14-2010, 10:18 PM
I would be fine with Newton at #10

you got it & we have our 2011 Top 10 Big Board NFL Draft Prospects :handshake:

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250

JB
12-14-2010, 10:32 PM
you got it & we have our 2011 Top 10 Big Board NFL Draft Prospects :handshake:

1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250

Fantastic! That's a pretty good looking list.

for #11, I nominate Clayborn, your boy Jordan, Ingram or Paea.

steelbtexan
12-14-2010, 10:42 PM
Fantastic! That's a pretty good looking list.

for #11, I nominate Clayborn, your boy Jordan, Ingram or Paea.

#11 Clayborn or Jones

JB
12-14-2010, 10:42 PM
#11 Clayborn or Jones

Julio?

steelbtexan
12-14-2010, 11:46 PM
Julio Jones

He would be a steal for a team like Cleveland/Chicago/STL at thr 10/15 spot in this draft. IMHO

beerlover
12-15-2010, 01:32 AM
good job everyone I think that's a top 10 to be proud of. its only going to get more difficult from here. can't rush this thing so expect it to slow down a bit, please hang in there need everyones input. thank you!

BL

beerlover
12-15-2010, 01:34 AM
Might start thinking about the top rated LT here, OT Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State?

Blake
12-15-2010, 09:01 AM
Still no love for Mallett?

Blackmon should go before Julio.

Mark Ingram should be in the discussion now, along with Clayborn and Pea.

Not a fan of the OT's in this draft. Maybe bottom round 1.

steelbtexan
12-15-2010, 09:36 AM
Smith from USC just declared.

He's going to be the best LT in this class after he puts on a little weight. He's a stud. IMHO

With that said that I jumped the gun. # 11 Blackmon.

beerlover
12-15-2010, 12:04 PM
Smith from USC just declared.

He's going to be the best LT in this class after he puts on a little weight. He's a stud. IMHO

With that said that I jumped the gun. # 11 Blackmon.

good catch, here is some more info - http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5920054

Tyron Smith is really underrated, very athletic and would be a perfect fit for a ZBS like Texans. I felt the same way about Charles Brown last year & he didn't get selected until the end of 2nd rd. (New Orleans). Similar situation he lacks size & strength of other tackles like Sherrod, Carimi & Castonzo but by coming out early he gets a jump on competition & can have a big combine.

I suppose Blackmon could slide a little bit more like Dez Bryant did (#24) last year? I'm inclined to lean on DE/DT position just can't deceide between Adrian Clayborn & Cameron Jordan both seem like oversized DE's who can flip inside & fit a 3-4 scheme @ DT or play strongside DE in a 4-3 like Antonio Smith. Tyson Alualu was more squat/compact than teammate Jordan more like Clayborn a force inside @ line of scrimmage & he went 10th overall to Jascksonville playing role of penetrating DT. Both are worthy of top 15 billing but want to be sure we get #11 right first.

beerlover
12-15-2010, 12:59 PM
top rated prospects to add on our Texanstalk Big Board in no particular order:

Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'8 - 315
Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327

Texan4Ever
12-15-2010, 01:02 PM
top rated prospects to add on our Texanstalk Big Board in no particular order:

Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'8 - 315
Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina - 6'0 - 218
Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327

Isn't Lattimore a Freshman? He can't enter the draft, can he?

beerlover
12-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Isn't Lattimore a Freshman? He can't enter the draft, can he?

your right, my bad removed.

your #11?

Texan4Ever
12-15-2010, 01:10 PM
your right, my bad removed.

your #11?


I like your list and mine would be very similar with a few players moved around. At #11 I would go with Von Miller over Adrian Clayborn because as far as I know he's never had issues off the field and has been consistent throughout his career at A&M.

As for Lattimore, if he keeps things up he could easily become a top five pick down the road.

beerlover
12-15-2010, 02:17 PM
Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett 11-17 anyone else?

JB
12-15-2010, 02:19 PM
Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett 11-17 anyone else?

Paea got to be in that group.

steelbtexan
12-15-2010, 02:20 PM
Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett 11-17 anyone else?

That seems about right. IMHO

I would add Bailey to the list.

beerlover
12-15-2010, 02:21 PM
Paea got to be in that group.

Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett/Paea/Bailey geez one more & we have the next ten, need to determine order.

Doppelganger
12-15-2010, 02:33 PM
I really like Brandon Harris right around here. He is just a tad behind the big two and with the way the league is, a shutdown corner will go high.

Blake
12-15-2010, 02:37 PM
I really like Brandon Harris right around here. He is just a tad behind the big two and with the way the league is, a shutdown corner will go high.

Agreed. Harris should be in this next group as the 3rd corner off the board.

beerlover
12-15-2010, 02:38 PM
I really like Brandon Harris right around here. He is just a tad behind the big two and with the way the league is, a shutdown corner will go high.

like around 20 :heh:

Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett/Paea/Bailey/Harris

now then please rank these prospects

Blake
12-15-2010, 02:50 PM
like around 20 :heh:

Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett/Paea/Bailey/Harris

now then please rank these prospects

Mallett
Blackmon
Ingram
Clayborn
Jones
Paea
Miller
Harris
Bailey
Sherrod

JB
12-15-2010, 02:56 PM
11. Clayborn
12. Von Miller
13. Paea
14. Bailey
15. Jones
16. Ingram
17. Blackmon
18. Sherrod
19. Harris
20. Mallett

I'm not sure that I would want Harris over Jenkins as the 3rd cb.
I think that both Solder & Smith might wind up rated higher than Sherrod. And Castonzo may be as well. I think that Mallett may be too high here. I'm not that high on him.

Blake
12-15-2010, 03:10 PM
Wow. Currently HOU picks 11th...

Section516
12-15-2010, 04:09 PM
I hope we lose some more..hate saying it, but there isn't any pride being mediocre again.

steelbtexan
12-15-2010, 04:36 PM
like around 20 :heh:

Von Miller/Clayborn/Julio Jones/Blackmon/Sherrod/Ingram/Mallett/Paea/Bailey/Harris

now then please rank these prospects

1.Clayborn
2.Blackmon
3.Jones
4.Ingram
5.Mallett
6.Harris
7.Bailey
8.Miller
9.Sherrod
10.Paea

painekiller
12-15-2010, 04:41 PM
nevermind

beerlover
12-15-2010, 04:55 PM
so far -

11. Clayborn - 2 votes
11. Mallett - 1 vote
11. Paea - 1 vote
12. Blackmon - 3 votes
12. Von Miller - 1 vote
13. Clayborn - 1 vote
13. Jones - 1 vote
13. Paea - 1 vote
13. Ingram 1 vote

Doppelganger
12-15-2010, 05:55 PM
Paea
Blackmon
Clayborn
Harris
Mallett
Ingram
Bailey
Jones
Miller
Sherrod

beerlover
12-16-2010, 12:59 AM
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220


keep things going :bat:

rmartin65
12-16-2010, 08:06 AM
Bailey and Kerrigan have to start getting looks at this point.

Blake
12-16-2010, 08:20 AM
BL, you have Harris listed at 16 and 18. Bailey seems to be missing.

Blake
12-16-2010, 08:20 AM
BL, you have Harris listed at 16 and 18. Bailey seems to be missing.

beerlover
12-16-2010, 10:53 AM
BL, you have Harris listed at 16 and 18. Bailey seems to be missing.

thanks. put Harris above Bailey.

now on to the next 12. as rmartin65 says we can start with DE Kerrigan, another OT Anthony Castonzo, CB Janoris Jenkins & WR Jonathan Baldwin for starters. place your bets/list.

Texan4Ever
12-16-2010, 11:49 AM
thanks. put Harris above Bailey.

now on to the next 12. as rmartin65 says we can start with DE Kerrigan, another OT Anthony Castonzo, CB Janoris Jenkins & WR Jonathan Baldwin for starters. place your bets/list.


I put my vote for Kerrigan, he's been consistent and was the leader on his teams defense.

JB
12-16-2010, 11:53 AM
Ryan Kerrigan
Gabe Carimi
Tyron Smith
Mike Pouncey
Cameron Jordan

beerlover
12-16-2010, 12:21 PM
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263

Blake
12-16-2010, 12:34 PM
21. Ryan Kerrigan
22. Aaron Williams
23. Cameron Jordan
24. Jon Baldwin
25. Drake Nevis
26. Akeem Ayers
27. Janoris Jenkins
28. Kyle Rudolph
29. Anthony Castonzo
30. Rodney Hudson

beerlover
12-16-2010, 01:03 PM
still have a couple highly rated players @ desireable NFL positions.

DE - Cameron Heyward, Cameron Jordan, J.J. Watt
CB - Janoris Jenkins, Aaron Williams
OT - Gabe Carimi, Anthony Castonzo, Nate Solder, Tyron Smith
DT - Drake Nevis, Phil Taylor, Baylor sleeper pick 3-4 NT

steelbtexan
12-16-2010, 05:32 PM
1.Ayers
2.Tyron Smith
3.Sherrod
4.Gabbert
5.Jordan
6.Ryan Williams
7.Floyd
8.Costanzo
9.Solder
10.Carimi
11. Aaron Williams
12.Baldwin

Gabbert,Ty Smith,Ryan Williams are steals at this point in the draft. IMHO

Sorry it took so long to update my picks. Busy day at work.

beerlover
12-17-2010, 11:54 AM
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
22. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
23. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
24. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
25. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
26. Blaine Gabbert. QB, Missouri - 6'5 - 235
27. Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
28. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
29. Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida - 5'11 - 186
30. Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State, 6'3 298
31. Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA - 6'1 - 195
32. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290


discuss?

due to lack of feedback made personel decisions after careful consideration projecting NFL caliber prospects forward. Added QB, FS, Center & 3-4 DE. several late 1st. OT prospects downgraded some stock for position, very deep DE class too.

Blake
12-17-2010, 12:19 PM
Dont agree that Gabbert or Wisniewski are first round material.

beerlover
12-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Dont agree that Gabbert or Wisniewski are first round material.

I know, however I like Gabbert more than Locker, that's just my opinion. Better decision making, equally well put together core strength & better accuracy. Wisniewski is not a sexy pick but is so safe & lock to have a long productive NFL career a team like Indy looking for Center replacement would jump @ the chance to shore up their interior OL.

beerlover
12-17-2010, 01:27 PM
Of course we can make adjustments. Welcome debate/conversation, its only December, but I like to get out in front of mass opinion, make a statement, be provocative & original.

drs23
12-17-2010, 07:11 PM
Of course we can make adjustments. Welcome debate/conversation, its only December, but I like to get out in front of mass opinion, make a statement, be provocative & original.

Well then I think all you fellows have accomplished that. I've been following this pretty closely and have enjoyed. Keep up the great effort.

Thanks.

steelbtexan
12-17-2010, 07:47 PM
I'm looking forward to the bowl games/combine.

Tis the season in Texan land.

beerlover
12-17-2010, 08:59 PM
FYI as of now New England has the #14th (via Oakland) & as SuperBowl favorites #32nd picks. if you take em straight off our draft board it translates to Ryan Mallett for Bellichick/Brady to groom while picking up Watts to start his long career as a 3-4 DE. this is how you perpetuate a dynasty, if they can hold it together?

JB
12-17-2010, 09:33 PM
Pats will probably parlay those 2 first round picks into 3 second round picks and 2 3rd round picks...

That is how you perpetuate a dynasty.

beerlover
12-17-2010, 09:40 PM
Pats will probably parlay those 2 first round picks into 3 second round picks and 2 3rd round picks...

That is how you perpetuate a dynasty.

true that!

beerlover
12-17-2010, 09:48 PM
Dont agree that Gabbert or Wisniewski are first round material.

Chad Reuter in his most recent mock has Wisinewski going to Baltimore #28. Gabbert will follow if he declares?

gary
12-17-2010, 09:52 PM
I'd love to have Williams, Smith, and Fairley on the D line.

steelbtexan
12-17-2010, 10:38 PM
I forgot a guy who will be a top 10 pick IMHO.

Aldon Smith DE Mizzou

Smith may be the most talented DE in this draft. If he declares.

texanchris
12-18-2010, 08:20 AM
is there any good safteys that we could take in the first round?

beerlover
12-18-2010, 09:41 AM
is there any good safteys that we could take in the first round?

Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA is only safety getting a first rd. grade & that is borderline. HE is a true centerfielder type with good range & playmaking ability. If your thinking Texans maybe in the 2nd/3rd. they go after another Alabama secondary prospect SS Mark Barron (suffered some kind of pectoral injury end of season).

My personel favorite is Temple Owl Jaiquawn Jarrett. He is the closest thing to our favorite safety prospect (after Earl Thomas) Nate Allen last year who was drafted & played well this year (before getting injured) for Philadelphia taken #37 overall. more info on JJ http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13769007/temples-jarrett-looks-to-continue-burrowing-into-nfl-drafts-top-100

texanchris
12-18-2010, 10:10 AM
Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA is only safety getting a first rd. grade & that is borderline. HE is a true centerfielder type with good range & playmaking ability. If your thinking Texans maybe in the 2nd/3rd. they go after another Alabama secondary prospect SS Mark Barron (suffered some kind of pectoral injury end of season).

My personel favorite is Temple Owl Jaiquawn Jarrett. He is the closest thing to our favorite safety prospect (after Earl Thomas) Nate Allen last year who was drafted & played well this year (before getting injured) for Philadelphia taken #37 overall. more info on JJ http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13769007/temples-jarrett-looks-to-continue-burrowing-into-nfl-drafts-top-100

Ok thanks, i dont really like the idea of converting a cb to saftey because its better for them to play the position they are most comfortable at. Hopefully we draft a couple of Saftey's in round2-3 or pick one up during free agency.

beerlover
12-18-2010, 10:18 AM
Ok thanks, i dont really like the idea of converting a cb to saftey because its better for them to play the position they are most comfortable at. Hopefully we draft a couple of Saftey's in round2-3 or pick one up during free agency.

it happens all the time, not a deal breaker. the important thing is to have your best players in position to succeed. McManis would make an excellent FS someday & Quinn is tough enough he could play SS. The problem with that of course is just what you said & how do they gain needed PT without hurting the team? In that sense it is best to draft them straight from College with expereince already in hand.

badboy
12-18-2010, 02:08 PM
it happens all the time, not a deal breaker. the important thing is to have your best players in position to succeed. McManis would make an excellent FS someday & Quinn is tough enough he could play SS. The problem with that of course is just what you said & how do they gain needed PT without hurting the team? In that sense it is best to draft them straight from College with expereince already in hand.What about McManis and Brandon Harris as your CBs and Quin/ Jackson as your safeties with Nolan in reserve?

kiwitexansfan
12-18-2010, 06:44 PM
I only comment on players I have seen play in person which limits me to pretty much Nebraska and teams who played Nebraska but I saw Gabbert in person and the guy has very happy feet.

Do not want him facing NFL caliber defenses.

http://www.gamezone.com/images/gamezone/29/5/42/s29542_wii_2.jpg

76Texan
12-18-2010, 08:51 PM
What about McManis and Brandon Harris as your CBs and Quin/ Jackson as your safeties with Nolan in reserve?
Sorry to help hijacking the thread.

But if you guys have time, please dig up some more infos about the guys we've already have on the roster. (I don't have as much time this year)


For example:
- Quintin Demps. Does his past injury prevent him from being back to 100%?
I like what I saw of his limited actions with the Eagles.
- Jason Allen's stint as a safety with the Dolphins.
Why does some coaching staffs play him at CB and other play him at safety?
Was he any good at safety?
- What is it that you think Nolan couldn't quite cut it?
- Any hope for Tori Williams and the other guys (either at CB or safety?)

Doppelganger
12-19-2010, 03:16 PM
That's a solid Big Board.

Thanks for letting me help out a little!

The next time the Big Board will move will be when the Juniors declare and then when the Combine comes around.

beerlover
12-19-2010, 06:53 PM
That's a solid Big Board.

Thanks for letting me help out a little!

The next time the Big Board will move will be when the Juniors declare and then when the Combine comes around.

thanks for your input.

its fluid & ever changing so the next draft board post underclassman decisions may have a different look. But I'm pretty good for the most part with results. I may re-post with more player information. I really like picks 1-21 after that kinda lost steam.

JB
12-19-2010, 06:56 PM
thanks for your input.

its fluid & ever changing so the next draft board post underclassman decisions may have a different look. But I'm pretty good for the most part with results. I may re-post with more player information. I really like picks 1-21 after that kinda lost steam.

I think the board is kinda fluid right now. It will change after bowl game performances and once we know who is declaring and who is not.

beerlover
12-19-2010, 10:00 PM
Dont agree that Gabbert or Wisniewski are first round material.

on second thought I hope your right & the Texans select Wisniewski in the 2nd rd. That would make above average OL. Gabbert in 3rd to develop & become the franchise QB down the road :specnatz:

beerlover
12-20-2010, 11:04 PM
Final Results Before Christmas Big Board
thanks for everyones input, could not have done it without all the help. made one change, taking out Gabbert (rumor is he is staying in school to raise his draft stock, good idea) & replaced him with LSU DT Drake Nevis. His 56 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 Int & 1 safety in the SEC has to get some notice.


1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235
Only question is will he declare?
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Don't think he will end up this high, but man its gonna be fun to watch him play on Sundays
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Love his big play capability, next Moss.
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Tenacious cover corner, has ability to be shutdown type.
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
Most explosive DE in draft with size to match.
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298
Came on strong this season for #1 Auburn, high motor DT.
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Could play the nose, disruptive size & speed @ point of attack.
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Some think he's the next Peppers, must be more consistant.
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
Everything the Pro's look for size, arm strength & mobility.
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Same as Locker, might however have some character concerns?
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
Despite down year can fit a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE.
12. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205
If he returns to Cowboys will be a Top 10 pick next draft.
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
Maybe a little high but kid is a terrific, high motor, instinctive & strong DT.
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Some are going to love him others hate him, has mad game.
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Another reach here but gotta support Texas Football. Can play OLB in 3-4 or RDE in a 4-3.
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Most are saying he is the 3rd best CB in the draft. Looks the part but not as productive as one would like this high.
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Heck of a RB this late, could go higher to a team needing a true #1.
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
All the talent in the world to dominate, but inconsistant at best.
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
I don't think the top tackle on the board lasts this long but couldn't talk anyone else into it.
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
A steal here, love the way he uses body position to protect the ball, very smart well coached WR.
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Ourlads has Ryan rated the #1 senior prospect, take it for what its worth.
22. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
Recently threw his name into the draft, a top LT prospect.
23. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
Expect him to rise up board because of athletic ability/combine.
24. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
Once again a little home cook'in, but he does play the coveted CB position.
25. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
Great playmaker, think of a quicker, stronger DeMeco Ryans.
26. Drake Nevis, DT LSU - 6'1 - 295
Would be a great addition for the Texans if he slips into 2nd rd. changed him to 1st rd. based off his outstanding DT play in SEC.
27. Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
Great size speed combination like Pitt alum Fitzgerald.
28. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Some think he is the best tackle because of his size advantage & quick footwork.
29. Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida - 5'11 - 186
Can really lock down when needed, pretty solid end of 1st CB.
30. Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State, 6'3 298
Sticking with Wisniewski, off production & pedigree, one of the safest bets in this draft class.
31. Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA - 6'1 - 195
Will help his draft stock with excellent forty, show great range on tape, playmaking ability & size for NFL FS position.
32. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
Sleeper pick who could rise up every 3-4 teams board.

Blake
12-21-2010, 12:09 PM
So I guess we will target a safety in the 2nd round?

First round I am looking at DT, OLB, WR.

76Texan
12-21-2010, 12:18 PM
OT Castonzo doesn't make the first round?
I haven't watched him play this year, but he looked good in both his sophomore and junior year.
Any idea?

beerlover
12-21-2010, 12:28 PM
OT Castonzo doesn't make the first round?
I haven't watched him play this year, but he looked good in both his sophomore and junior year.
Any idea?

Had to make a tough choice, he should receive ligitimate first round consideration but when Tyron Smith, USC, declared he was coming out early Castonzo a similar player drops behind him. Can improve his draft stock w/solid combine, lifting 30+ reps would help answer questions about strength. I like Boston College linemen, also like Wisconisin OL like Gabe Carimi (who I see as an Eric Winston, RT prospect).

Blake
12-21-2010, 12:36 PM
OT Castonzo doesn't make the first round?
I haven't watched him play this year, but he looked good in both his sophomore and junior year.
Any idea?

I put him in the first round. Very low. But with a good combine and limited competition, could rise as the best RT out there. But I wanna know why Kyle Rudolph aint gettin no love!

21. Ryan Kerrigan
22. Aaron Williams
23. Cameron Jordan
24. Jon Baldwin
25. Drake Nevis
26. Akeem Ayers
27. Janoris Jenkins
28. Kyle Rudolph
29. Anthony Castonzo
30. Rodney Hudson

beerlover
12-21-2010, 12:44 PM
I put him in the first round. Very low. But with a good combine and limited competition, could rise as the best RT out there. But I wanna know why Kyle Rudolph aint gettin no love!

evulsion of his right hamstring, being shutdown for season, entering early & being fully recovered for the combine.

Texan4Ever
12-21-2010, 01:54 PM
OT Castonzo doesn't make the first round?
I haven't watched him play this year, but he looked good in both his sophomore and junior year.
Any idea?


There is no clear cut first-round caliber OT available (no one like Ryan Clady or Jake Long). As for Castonzo, he has a lot of work ahead of him and when BC played UNC, he struggled mightily against Robert Quinn.

TexCanada
12-27-2010, 12:06 AM
Interesting. After today's game we are currently sitting with the 6th draft position. Nick Fairley is 6th on your board....:)

kiwitexansfan
12-27-2010, 08:14 AM
Hmmm, maybe we are rising into Prince range.

beerlover
12-27-2010, 09:40 AM
I never thought in my wildest dreams the Texans would collapse this hard following "BYE" week (as I called it "Improvement Week"). The warning signs where there, Cowboys/Giants loss but surely thought Kubiak could rally this team & play 60 minutes of consistant football. Guess not :kubepalm:

The thought here was to seek help from fellow board members to assemble a unbiased draft board to start thinking about next year, whoever is drafting/coaching the Texans. Is it perfect, hell no will it change hell yes but its a start. One thing for sure is we are several positions short, thats on the players they are the ones who cannot make the plays on the field. can't stop the run up the middle or defend the pass any position. the offense goes into shutdown mode when points are needed, they abandon the running game, Schaub continueally displays poor pocket presence & athletic ability to make wide open simple plays click. take your pick of position, they are all underachieving, coaching must convey a bung-hole tightening lose not to win mentallity. In position to win nearly every game yet find new ways to give it away, offensively, defensively & special teams they have no idea how to win.

I don't know if Parcells is interested in returning to football & re-build another franchise, but whoever uncle Bob brings in the Texans will have to trade players for draft picks, make wholesale changes & basicly blow the whole thing up becuase its not working, Kubiak & Smith have failed.

steelbtexan
12-27-2010, 11:17 AM
I never thought in my wildest dreams the Texans would collapse this hard following "BYE" week (as I called it "Improvement Week"). The warning signs where there, Cowboys/Giants loss but surely thought Kubiak could rally this team & play 60 minutes of consistant football. Guess not :kubepalm:

The thought here was to seek help from fellow board members to assemble a unbiased draft board to start thinking about next year, whoever is drafting/coaching the Texans. Is it perfect, hell no will it change hell yes but its a start. One thing for sure is we are several positions short, thats on the players they are the ones who cannot make the plays on the field. can't stop the run up the middle or defend the pass any position. the offense goes into shutdown mode when points are needed, they abandon the running game, Schaub continueally displays poor pocket presence & athletic ability to make wide open simple plays click. take your pick of position, they are all underachieving, coaching must convey a bung-hole tightening lose not to win mentallity. In position to win nearly every game yet find new ways to give it away, offensively, defensively & special teams they have no idea how to win.

I don't know if Parcells is interested in returning to football & re-build another franchise, but whoever uncle Bob brings in the Texans will have to trade players for draft picks, make wholesale changes & basicly blow the whole thing up becuase its not working, Kubiak & Smith have failed.

Not necessarily, It's true Smithiak have failed. But alot of pieces are in place. The new regime needs to find some toughness on the OL/DL and a true playmaker at OLB. That is why a Parcells/Cowher type HC/VP is needed. They teach toughness. Cowher started out as a LB coach and Parcells had probably the greatest group of LB's in the history of the Nfl with the NYG.

Oh that and fixing the secondary. Luckily this is a deep draft for NT/DB's and interior OL.

drs23
12-27-2010, 11:28 AM
I don't know if Parcells is interested in returning to football & re-build another franchise, but whoever uncle Bob brings in the Texans will have to trade players for draft picks, make wholesale changes & basicly blow the whole thing up becuase its not working, Kubiak & Smith have failed.

Not necessarily, It's true Smithiak have failed. But alot of pieces are in place. The new regime needs to find some toughness on the OL/DL and a true playmaker at OLB. That is why a Parcells/Cowher type HC/VP is needed. They teach toughness. Cowher started out as a LB coach and Parcells had probably the greatest group of LB's in the history of the Nfl with the NYG.

Oh that and fixing the secondary. Luckily this is a deep draft for NT/DB's and interior OL.

This seems to be becoming a two camp scenario. Do the Texans have most of the pieces already in place just misused, under coached or they don't have the talent as a whole and need alot more than a few key pieces?

Can there be a concensus?

kiwitexansfan
12-27-2010, 11:58 AM
I think outside the secondary we have the pieces needed to make a playoff run.

Maybe another good DT and we'd be golden in the front 7.

Dutchrudder
12-27-2010, 08:18 PM
Texans needs according to me in order:

DT - Replace Cody, but keep Cody for depth
FS - Upgrade over Nolan/Wilson, but keep one for depth
CB - Just need help here
L or R Tackle - I like the idea of replacing Brown, but moving him to LG or RG
WLB - I think Sharpton will be the WLB next year, but we need more LB depth
WR - Simliar to LB, we need depth here, and someone like a McCluster that can return kicks/punts
Punter - Punting should be the second easiest job in the NFL, long snapper being the first. Turk is unquestionably hurting this team with his poor performance. I hope they draft one in the 7th to round out the draft, or bring in at least 2 UDFAs to compete.

kiwitexansfan
12-28-2010, 08:24 AM
Good list. I'd throw SS in there too. I hate Pollard back there.

Texan4Ever
12-28-2010, 10:46 AM
Good list. I'd throw SS in there too. I hate Pollard back there.


We just need to find a solid FS in the backfield and let Pollard do what he's supposed to which is knock the krap outta people. He's like having an extra LB that can hit so I would keep him just to see if anything changes in his game next season.

kiwitexansfan
12-28-2010, 11:20 AM
We just need to find a solid FS in the backfield and let Pollard do what he's supposed to which is knock the krap outta people. He's like having an extra LB that can hit so I would keep him just to see if anything changes in his game next season.

We don't need an extra LB with two probowl LBs, we need at least 4 DBs who can cover though.

beerlover
12-28-2010, 11:51 AM
We just need to find a solid FS in the backfield and let Pollard do what he's supposed to which is knock the krap outta people. He's like having an extra LB that can hit so I would keep him just to see if anything changes in his game next season.

for whatever reason Texans have never valued FS position enough to draft one early. It sure would have been nice if they could have moved up like San Diego moved up for Ryan Mathews, targeting Earl Thomas, UT....

or traded up in 2nd for Nate Allen. they even could have just stayed pat or moved back & taken Morgan Burnett GB traded up to early 3rd #71 to take him. User: MrShokner
Date/Time: 04/16/2010 - 8:24AM CDT
Predicted Round: Round 2

Blessed with protoytpical size. But don't expect teams to wait long to nab a natural playmaker like Burnett. Read & React: Reliable instincts for the position. Diagnoses the play and accelerates quickly to the ball, showing little wasted motion. Understands his role as the last line of defense and takes good angles to limit the damage. Zone Coverage: An alert zone defender, Burnett understands his role and the role of his teammates. Run Support: Willing and active in run support. Attacks the line of scrimmage, but will take questionable angles to the ball and is too often forced to re-direct at the last moment and latch on for a drag-down tackle, rather than applying a forceful pop. Willing to take on blockers, but prefers to elude and make the tackle himself.

First thing Texans need to figure out is who will be coaching & calling the shots. Then they will assess the current roster talent @ each position. I can't see keeping Barber or Molden any longer so this may help move FS position higher in FA/Draft needs. I also think they should make the move with McManis to see if he fits the bill as at least depth @ FS. He has about the right size, long wingspan & cover ability over Wilson or Nolan. Then they will need to deceide if they want Kareem & Quinn to be their starting CB's?

steelbtexan
12-28-2010, 02:55 PM
for whatever reason Texans have never valued FS position enough to draft one early. It sure would have been nice if they could have moved up like San Diego moved up for Ryan Mathews, targeting Earl Thomas, UT....

or traded up in 2nd for Nate Allen. they even could have just stayed pat or moved back & taken Morgan Burnett GB traded up to early 3rd #71 to take him.

First thing Texans need to figure out is who will be coaching & calling the shots. Then they will assess the current roster talent @ each position. I can't see keeping Barber or Molden any longer so this may help move FS position higher in FA/Draft needs. I also think they should make the move with McManis to see if he fits the bill as at least depth @ FS. He has about the right size, long wingspan & cover ability over Wilson or Nolan. Then they will need to deceide if they want Kareem & Quinn to be their starting CB's?

Agreed, who's calling the shots means everything. Assume its Cowher, he switches to a 3/4 defense. How many pieces need to be added? IYO

I think that the NT should be a vet signed in FA with Mitchell,Lewis and a 4/5th rd draft pick in the 4/5th rd. That will get you by for a couple of yrs. Signing a cheap vet S like Whitner and drafting a S in rd 3/4 would be the way to go. IMHO

The Texans are very thin at OLB. How do you feel about drafting Miller at pick # 8 or so?

A guy that I like as an OLB that can be had later in the draft is Bruce Miller OLB UCF. He has a chance to be a good 3/4 OLB.

The best chance of getting multiple draft picks in this draft is to be picking 5th and trading down to a team like Cleveland for A.J. Green. Even though the Texans need defense in the worst way if Green was there at #5 I would take him if a trade down opportunity doesn't arise.

What rd do you think the compensation pick for Dunta will be? 'm thinking 3rd. If that's the case it would be huge. You could fill both S spots in that rd. My favorites that will probably be avaiable are the Fla. S Black and Hill. They would both be huge upgrades over what the Texans currently have at the S position.

beerlover
12-28-2010, 10:26 PM
Dont agree that Gabbert or Wisniewski are first round material.

just wondering, are u watching Iowa vs. Mizzou? think I heard one of the announcers say that Todd McShay has Gabbert ranked #2 overall QB prospect.

LikeMike
12-29-2010, 07:41 AM
IŽd be thrilled if we could get either Peterson, Amukamara or Fairley. We could put Peterson at FS, or move KJ or Quinn over to FS.

Signing some big FAs like Champ Bailey or a big DT would certainly help.

In the later rounds we should look at OLB, O-Line help, another safety and maybe a WR.

beerlover
12-31-2010, 11:53 AM
Final Results Before Christmas Big Board


1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford - 6'4 - 235 Only question is will he declare?
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222 Don't think he will end up this high, but man its gonna be fun to watch him play on Sundays
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212 Love his big play capability, next Moss.
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Tenacious cover corner, has ability to be shutdown type.
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280 Most explosive DE in draft with size to match.
6. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn - 6'5 - 298 Came on strong this season for #1 Auburn, high motor DT.
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306 Could play the nose, But fits the 4-3 UT position perfectly. disruptive size & speed @ point of attack.
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268 Some think he's the next Peppers, must be more consistant.
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
Everything the Pro's look for size, arm strength & mobility.
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250 Similar to Locker, but far more athletic. however have some character concerns?
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
Despite down year can fit a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DE.
12. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State - 6'1 - 205 If he returns to Cowboys will be a Top 10 pick next draft. But right now ahead of Dez Bryant @ same stage if he comes out.
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
Maybe a little high but kid is a terrific, high motor, instinctive & strong DT.
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238 Some are going to love him others hate him, has mad game.
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Another reach here but gotta support Texas Football. Can play OLB in 3-4 or RDE in a 4-3.
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195 Most are saying he is the 3rd best CB in the draft. Looks the part but not as productive as one would like this high.
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215 Heck of a RB this late, could go higher to a team needing a true #1.
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
All the talent in the world to dominate, but inconsistant at best.
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Matter of system who is the top tackle but once selected they could start dropping like flys.
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220 A steal here, love the way he uses body position to protect the ball, very smart well coached WR. Could easliy be sold on moving him higher per team needs.
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Ourlads has Ryan rated the #1 senior prospect, take it for what its worth.
22. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
Recently threw his name into the draft, a top LT prospect.
23. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
Expect him to rise up board because of athletic ability/combine.
24. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
Once again a little home cook'in, but he does play the coveted CB position.
25. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255 Great playmaker, think of a quicker, stronger DeMeco Ryans.
26. Drake Nevis, DT LSU - 6'1 - 295
Would be a great addition for the Texans if he slips into 2nd rd. changed him to 1st rd. based off his outstanding DT play in SEC.
27. Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
Great size speed combination like Pitt alum Fitzgerald.
28. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Some think he is the best tackle because of his size advantage & quick footwork.
29. Janoris Jenkins, CB, Florida - 5'11 - 186 Can really lock down when needed, pretty solid end of 1st CB.
30. Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State, 6'3 298
Sticking with Wisniewski, off production & pedigree, one of the safest bets in this draft class.
31. Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA - 6'1 - 195 Will help his draft stock with excellent forty, show great range on tape, playmaking ability & size for NFL FS position.
32. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290 Sleeper pick who could rise up every 3-4 teams board.

Should just mention, there are several underclassman included who have yet to officially declare early entry into the NFL 2011 Draft pool. I will highlight those in bold. Once offiical will return to normal font while others who decline will need to be replaced with new prospect. I shall try to keep up but would appreciate everyones input if they have anything to add...

For example: Aaron Williams, CB UT & Tyron Smith, OT USC have announced they're coming out.

beerlover
01-02-2011, 10:47 PM
how would everybody feel if the Texans addressed DL with Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State? If our draft board is close to accurate it's not that much of a stretch (we have him ranked #13) to address a primary need on defense. I doubt Fairley or Dareus are still options picking 11th. http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/cfb.preview.all-pac-10.team/images/stephen-paea(2).jpg

steelbtexan
01-02-2011, 11:05 PM
If he's there

With the 11th pick in the NFL draft the Houston Texans select

Von Miller LB TX. A&M

BTW, he would be a good pick.

YoungTexanFan
01-03-2011, 01:45 PM
If he's there

With the 11th pick in the NFL draft the Houston Texans select

Von Miller LB TX. A&M

BTW, he would be a good pick.

This would be a terrible pick. Even switching to the 3-4, this is a reach. And unless we switch, it's a horrible pick. Even then, it's like drafting Duane Brown or Babin in the first round. That bad.

Blake
01-03-2011, 03:21 PM
By far the MOST unflattering picture Andrew Luck will see in his life.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/02/jim-harbaugh-coaching-carousel/stanford-tx1.jpg

Insideop
01-05-2011, 12:50 PM
how would everybody feel if the Texans addressed DL with Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State? If our draft board is close to accurate it's not that much of a stretch (we have him ranked #13) to address a primary need on defense. I doubt Fairley or Dareus are still options picking 11th. http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/cfb.preview.all-pac-10.team/images/stephen-paea(2).jpg

I think he would be a good pick for us in the 1st regardless of whether we run a 4-3 or a 3-4. He might be a little light (310 to 315) for a 3-4 NT but I hear he is very strong. Wouldn't mind getting him and the Oklahoma FS in the first 2 rounds.

Insideop
01-05-2011, 12:58 PM
By far the MOST unflattering picture Andrew Luck will see in his life.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/02/jim-harbaugh-coaching-carousel/stanford-tx1.jpg


:spit:

beerlover
01-05-2011, 11:16 PM
SCOUTS INC.'S TOP 32 Player Pos. School Grade

1. Andrew Luck* QB Stanford 98
2. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
3. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 97
4. Patrick Peterson* CB LSU 97
5. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 97
6. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 96
7. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska 96
8. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 96
9. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 95
10. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 95
11. Janoris Jenkins* CB Florida 95
12. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 95
13. Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue 94
14. Nate Solder OT Colorado 94
15. Akeem Ayers* OLB UCLA 93
16. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 93
17. Julio Jones WR Alabama 93
18. Cameron Jordan DE California 93
19. Mike Pouncey C Florida 93
20. Blaine Gabbert* QB Missouri 93
21. Anthony Castonzo OT Boston Coll. 92
22. Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State 92
23. Jake Locker QB Washington 92
24. Mark Ingram* RB Alabama 92
25. Justin Blackmon* WR Okla. State 92
26. Tyron Smith* OT USC 91
27. Allen Bailey DE Miami 91
28. Drake Nevis DT LSU 91
29. Cam Newton* QB Auburn 90
30. Corey Liuget* DT Illinois 90
31. Ryan Mallett* QB Arkansas 90
32. Brandon Harris* CB Miami (FL) 90
* denotes draft-eligible underclassman

I would like to make some adjustments but I like ours more & we did it over one week ago. props y'all!

beerlover
01-06-2011, 03:22 PM
Anyone else want to re-work our Big Board? obviously we need to start with #1. Haven't heard if Peterson has made annoucement, should declare after game Friday. Could a WR be rated #1 (AJ Green) or DT (Fairley/Dareus) maybe DE (Bowers/Quinn)?

JB
01-06-2011, 03:29 PM
Anyone else want to re-work our Big Board? obviously we need to start with #1. Haven't heard if Peterson has made annoucement, should declare after game Friday. Could a WR be rated #1 (AJ Green) or DT (Fairley/Dareus) maybe DE (Bowers/Quinn)?

Why don't we wait until after the deadling for declaring? Then we will know for sure who is coming out and who is staying.

Blake
01-06-2011, 03:31 PM
Why don't we wait until after the deadling for declaring? Then we will know for sure who is coming out and who is staying.

Yeah jan 15th right?

JB
01-06-2011, 03:32 PM
Yeah jan 15th right?

15th or 22nd or somwhere in that time frame.

Ole Miss Texan
01-06-2011, 03:39 PM
Anyone else want to re-work our Big Board? obviously we need to start with #1. Haven't heard if Peterson has made annoucement, should declare after game Friday. Could a WR be rated #1 (AJ Green) or DT (Fairley/Dareus) maybe DE (Bowers/Quinn)?

1. Once you have a Big Board that you like all you have to do is delete any underclassmen that stay in school. That shouldn't have any basis on prospects jumping one another unless you do updates after watching more players, workouts, etc.

2. Best prospect is best prospect. I totally could see AJ Green being up there. Calvin Johnson was the #1 prospect in 2007 (IMO).

beerlover
01-06-2011, 03:41 PM
sounds good we'll wait until after the 15th then begin anew. more the merrier :barman:

TexansSeminole
01-08-2011, 11:32 AM
Why is nobody talking about Ryan Kerrigan from Purdue?

Honoring Earl 34
01-08-2011, 11:40 AM
Why is nobody talking about Ryan Kerrigan from Purdue?

What's he 6'4 265 . If he hits 4.7 and shows some hip flipping ability , he's in .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70476&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE

TexansSeminole
01-08-2011, 12:39 PM
What's he 6'4 265 . If he hits 4.7 and shows some hip flipping ability , he's in .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=70476&draftyear=2011&genpos=DE

He reminds me of LaMar Woodley in that he isn't overly fast but quick and explosive, especially when taking on offensive lineman. He is probably not as good of a prospect as Woodley, but the same type of player IMO.

Honoring Earl 34
01-08-2011, 02:27 PM
He reminds me of LaMar Woodley in that he isn't overly fast but quick and explosive, especially when taking on offensive lineman. He is probably not as good of a prospect as Woodley, but the same type of player IMO.

Suggs of the Ravens is like that .

rmartin65
01-08-2011, 04:31 PM
I really wanted Kerrigan when the Texans were running a 4-3. Not wild about him in the 3-4, but I will go back and look at some film.

beerlover
01-09-2011, 12:37 AM
I really wanted Kerrigan when the Texans were running a 4-3. Not wild about him in the 3-4, but I will go back and look at some film.

yeah, me too. Kerrigan seems more like a natural 4-3 DE, good pass rushing skills, relentless pursuit plus solid in run support, don't see that explosive edge speed like a Von Miller or Dontay Moch who better fit Wade Phillips 3-4 OLB job requirements.

Texan4Ever
01-09-2011, 12:42 AM
A darkhorse mid-round pick for me would be a guy like Mark Herzlich. He played OLB if I remember correctly before having to battle cancer. Health is a concern here but the risk is worth it. At 6'4" 238-lbs (Yes, he needs to bulk up) he has a non-stop motor and can shed blocks with ease and would make a perfect OLB in our 3-4 scheme.

TexansSeminole
01-09-2011, 12:55 AM
yeah, me too. Kerrigan seems more like a natural 4-3 DE, good pass rushing skills, relentless pursuit plus solid in run support, don't see that explosive edge speed like a Von Miller or Dontay Moch who better fit Wade Phillips 3-4 OLB job requirements.

Perhaps he is a better 4-3 prospect. I don't think we'll know till the combine. He is not going to be a speed edge rusher though, but he's very solid all around. Connor Barwin fits the speed rusher mold just fine. We just need a disruptor of any kind right now. Somebody in the front 7 that can make plays. If Miller isn't worth #11, there's no reason we should reach on him because he's a speed rusher.

Honoring Earl 34
01-09-2011, 09:59 AM
A darkhorse mid-round pick for me would be a guy like Mark Herzlich. He played OLB if I remember correctly before having to battle cancer. Health is a concern here but the risk is worth it. At 6'4" 238-lbs (Yes, he needs to bulk up) he has a non-stop motor and can shed blocks with ease and would make a perfect OLB in our 3-4 scheme.

The mad stork jr .

steelbtexan
01-09-2011, 12:20 PM
What does anybody think about Aldon Smith at # 11?

He's fast and explosive off the edge. He's going to test out great at the combine. Although he may be a little stiffer in the hips than you would like.

Smith's alot better athlete than Kerrigan. IMHO

Texan4Ever
01-09-2011, 01:06 PM
What does anybody think about Aldon Smith at # 11?

He's fast and explosive off the edge. He's going to test out great at the combine. Although he may be a little stiffer in the hips than you would like.

Smith's alot better athlete than Kerrigan. IMHO



I just don't see guys who are 6'5" and have played with their hands in the dirt being able to convert as OLBs. Unless if we were running a D similar to Miami's which uses heavy OLBs, Wade seems to use guys who are 6'3" or 6'4" 260-Lbs max and relies on them being able to use their speed and quickness to make plays.

Guys like Kerrigan, Quinn, and Smith are strictly 4-3 DEs IMO but I'm not sure if they would be able to play in 3-4 unless Wade wants to implement hybrid defenses.

YoungTexanFan
01-12-2011, 03:38 PM
What does anybody think about Aldon Smith at # 11?

He's fast and explosive off the edge. He's going to test out great at the combine. Although he may be a little stiffer in the hips than you would like.

Smith's alot better athlete than Kerrigan. IMHO

No, because he went to the wrong school.

beerlover
01-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Big Board Group Thread Continued January

1.Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298 moved up from 6th
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235 decision to declare, top rated QB with no Luck
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290 Blackmon out, Watt up
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
22. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
23. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
24. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
25. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
26. Drake Nevis, DT LSU - 6'1 - 295
27. Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
28. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
29. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame, (Jr.), 6-6, 265 Janoris Jenkins out, added per request from last time
30. Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State, 6'3 298
31. Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA - 6'1 - 195
32. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), 6-0, 230 NFL powerback, new to list as Watt moved up

Ok fellow mocksters, time to sharpen your pencils & get back on this. only a couple more players to decalre like Cam Newton. highlighted changes only, some moved up to replace those who dropped out others in bold are first times.
of course we can adjust any of them its just a starting point based off the work we as a group have already contributed.

JB
01-12-2011, 09:13 PM
I don't know about 4 qb's in the top 15. And have we forgot about Mike Pouncy? I think with the success that his brother had, he will surely go in the late 1st.

Honoring Earl 34
01-12-2011, 09:24 PM
I don't know about 4 qb's in the top 15. And have we forgot about Mike Pouncy? I think with the success that his brother had, he will surely go in the late 1st.

He's got a note from his mom that he's gotta play on the same team as his brother .

steelbtexan
01-12-2011, 09:30 PM
I could see Gabbert,Newton,Mallett going in the top 15.

Locker probably will fall to the bottom of the 1st or top of the 2nd.

Locker and Gabbert will probably be the top 2 QB's to come out of this draft.

Another late rd QB to look out for is Andy Dalton. Smart/Mobile/Good Arm

JB
01-12-2011, 09:30 PM
He's got a note from his mom that he's gotta play on the same team as his brother .

:lol: That may very well happen if he falls that far.

steelbtexan
01-12-2011, 09:34 PM
He's got a note from his mom that he's gotta play on the same team as his brother .

Might happen,

Would be really cool if it did.

The Steelers interior OL would be solid for yrs to come.

Honoring Earl 34
01-12-2011, 09:39 PM
Found this kind of interesting . This guy starts as an OLB for the pack as a rookie .

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76179&draftyear=2010&genpos=DE

beerlover
01-12-2011, 11:00 PM
I don't know about 4 qb's in the top 15. And have we forgot about Mike Pouncy? I think with the success that his brother had, he will surely go in the late 1st.

have no problem if that's what you guys want to do. I'm not a huge advocate of a TE going in the 1st coming off injury, if we can agree to take Rudolph off the reigns. start with 29 if that sounds about right? have not moved any of the other picks we made/agreed to as a group.

kiwitexansfan
01-12-2011, 11:02 PM
I don't know about 4 qb's in the top 15. And have we forgot about Mike Pouncy? I think with the success that his brother had, he will surely go in the late 1st.

I saw one game of his playing Centre. TERRIBLE Snapper of the ball.

beerlover
01-12-2011, 11:19 PM
I saw one game of his playing Centre. TERRIBLE Snapper of the ball.

think he is projected as OG with Center as secondary position.

Ole Miss Texan
01-13-2011, 10:10 AM
Dontay Moch OLB Nevada.... thoughts on him shooting up the boards? A potential selection for us at #11!?

rmartin65
01-13-2011, 10:16 AM
Dontay Moch OLB Nevada.... thoughts on him shooting up the boards? A potential selection for us at #11!?

Way early. I have him as a 3rd/4th right now, but I could see him moving into the second. The first though? No way.

beerlover
01-13-2011, 12:14 PM
Way early. I have him as a 3rd/4th right now, but I could see him moving into the second. The first though? No way.

not too long, 2011 East-West Shrine Game Set for Jan. 22

Wade Phillips is coaching the West, so he will be coaching Dontay Moch first hand & while I can't see his stock skyrocket into the 1st rd. he could very well earn a solid 2nd rd. grade? Ian Williams, NT Notre Dame should also get a look possibly 3rd/4th rd. grade? I'm going to really be interested in how well Boise State DE/OLB Ryan Winterswke he reminds me of a poor mans Barwin.

here is my last mock I did a couple weeks ago-

Texans Rounds 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Round 1, Pick# 11 - Stephen Paea, DT, 6-1 309 Texans fill long sought after inside presence 3-4 NT/4-3 UT. blessed with rare combination of quickness & strength adding much needed playmaking nasty to Texans DL.
Round 2, Pick# 10 - Chase Minnifield, CB, 6-0 185 Virginia, CB should help weak secondary production. Chase combination of cover ability & run support give him a shot to start sometime as a rookie.
Round 3, Pick# 9 - Jaiquawn Jarrett, FS, 6-0 202 Temple Owl is a team leader, very smart with excellent range & tackle technique. Texans need to upgrad FS in the worst kind of way.
Round 4, Pick# 8 - Mark Herzlich, OLB, 6-3 238 Texans took Sharpton in the 4th instead of another TE & that proved to be a blessing. Texans need to adjust roster @ LB Mark has flexability to play anywhere needed.
Round 5, Pick# 7 - Ryan Winterswyk, DE/OLB, 6-3 263 Boise State Ryan Winterswyk played himself into the national spotlight, he would give the Texans some insurance as Connor Barwin comes back from devastating injury.
Round 6, Pick# 13 - Alex Linnenkohl, C, 6-02 303 Texans took OG Shelly last year & he made a name for himself on the practice squad. They bring back a solid core here but they like to develop them slowly & Myers is entering his 7th season.
Round 7, Pick# 12 - Derek Epperson, P, 6-3 230 Baylor home grown product to replace the aging one Matt Turk. Who says a 7th rd. picks can't start as rookies?

ReliantTexan
01-13-2011, 12:54 PM
A guy who I don't see mentioned much here is Justin Houston out of Georgia, great pass rushing abilty with an explosive first step and good size at 6'3 260lbs.

Also has experience playing in a 3-4 at Georgia. Right now he's projected as a late first rounder but I could easily see him as a top 15- 20 pick come draft day.

Blake
01-13-2011, 01:24 PM
A guy who I don't see mentioned much here is Justin Houston out of Georgia, great pass rushing abilty with an explosive first step and good size at 6'3 260lbs.

Also has experience playing in a 3-4 at Georgia. Right now he's projected as a late first rounder but I could easily see him as a top 15- 20 pick come draft day.

Its hard to get alot of love on a defense that went 6-7. Just doesnt get alot of pub. He will get his chance to move up in the eyes of the nation in the combine. But I am sure the NFL scouts are well aware of Mr. Houston.

beerlover
01-13-2011, 02:18 PM
Discuss our current Big Board.

first overall pick up for debate, I would like to move Prince Amukamara down to the 9-12 range, as I think his draft stock has fallen a bit, still waiting on Cam to make it official but expect him to do so. I'm ok with Fairley, but he is certainly not a lock to grade out as the #1 overall prospect. thoughts/moves?

1.Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
5. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
6. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
7. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
8. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
19. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
20. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
21. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
22. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
23. Cameron Jordan, DE, California - 6'4 - 283
24. Aaron Williams, CB, Texas - 6'1 - 192
25. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
26. Drake Nevis, DT LSU - 6'1 - 295
27. Jonathan Baldwin, WR, Pittsburgh - 6'5 - 230
28. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
29. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame, (Jr.), 6-6, 265
30. Stefen Wisniewski, C/OG, Penn State, 6'3 298
31. Rahim Moore, FS, UCLA - 6'1 - 195
32. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), 6-0, 230

Blake
01-13-2011, 02:36 PM
IMO:

Ayers should be alot higher. Teens for sure.
Gabbert too high. But we have had this conversation before. What is so special about him? Or is he just the flavor of the month now that Luck went back to school? Help me out here guys?
I still like Prince top 8.
I dont think Fairley is #1, but I am fine with him there.
With Blackmon gone, I think Julio Jones should be around 15.
I would be ok with sliding Rudolph up a couple spots.
Also I am bleh on Newton. But I am indifferent because I know some sucker will draft him top 10.

rmartin65
01-13-2011, 02:42 PM
not too long, 2011 East-West Shrine Game Set for Jan. 22

Wade Phillips is coaching the West, so he will be coaching Dontay Moch first hand & while I can't see his stock skyrocket into the 1st rd. he could very well earn a solid 2nd rd. grade? Ian Williams, NT Notre Dame should also get a look possibly 3rd/4th rd. grade? I'm going to really be interested in how well Boise State DE/OLB Ryan Winterswke he reminds me of a poor mans Barwin.

here is my last mock I did a couple weeks ago-

Ah, my way early comment was his position in the draft (1st round), as opposed to to early to predict draft slot.

Your round estimations look pretty close to what I have, so I am not going to debate there. I will say that I think Winterswyck ends up a DE, not a 3-4 OLB.

beerlover
01-13-2011, 03:23 PM
IMO:

Ayers should be alot higher. Teens for sure.
Gabbert too high. But we have had this conversation before. What is so special about him? Or is he just the flavor of the month now that Luck went back to school? Help me out here guys?
I still like Prince top 8.
I dont think Fairley is #1, but I am fine with him there.
With Blackmon gone, I think Julio Jones should be around 15.
I would be ok with sliding Rudolph up a couple spots.
Also I am bleh on Newton. But I am indifferent because I know some sucker will draft him top 10.

Agreed Ayers, Jones should move up. Gabbert is a commodity. I think he should have refined his game one more year but who can blame him once Luck pulled out. I do like his upside more than Locker or Newton so its hard to gauge. So for now move Prince down to #8 & just slide the others up one slot?

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205