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Blake
01-13-2011, 04:34 PM
Agreed Ayers, Jones should move up. Gabbert is a commodity. I think he should have refined his game one more year but who can blame him once Luck pulled out. I do like his upside more than Locker or Newton so its hard to gauge. So for now move Prince down to #8 & just slide the others up one slot?

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

I like it! :bravo:

Honoring Earl 34
01-13-2011, 04:40 PM
Agreed Ayers, Jones should move up. Gabbert is a commodity. I think he should have refined his game one more year but who can blame him once Luck pulled out. I do like his upside more than Locker or Newton so its hard to gauge. So for now move Prince down to #8 & just slide the others up one slot?

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

You know ... I think I'd take the Nevada QB who's name I can't say in the 5th before I'd take Locker or Newton in the 1st or 2nd .

beerlover
01-13-2011, 08:35 PM
You know ... I think I'd take the Nevada QB who's name I can't say in the 5th before I'd take Locker or Newton in the 1st or 2nd .

Colin Kaepernick. 5th rd. would be a good value, maybe you can use him in your mock draft :goodluck:

J_R
01-13-2011, 09:00 PM
Cam Newton has declared for the draft

beerlover
01-13-2011, 10:09 PM
Cam Newton has declared for the draft

just saw that on espn. mentioned he was ranked as the #3 QB prospect for 2011 draft.

#1 Gabbert
#2 Locker
#3 Newton
#4 Mallett

tweaked it a bit, dropped Gabbert two spots & moved Dareus/Quinn up one respectively. Now how does it look (two DT's in the top 5 & almost 2 DE's)?

1. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
6. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
7. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

76Texan
01-14-2011, 12:43 AM
I saw one game of his playing Centre. TERRIBLE Snapper of the ball.

I would pass it off as Mike's first year playing at Center.
I don't think he's first round material at either G or C anyway.

I only watch a couple Steelers game this year.
His brother Maurkice played a little better than I expected.
I had him in the mid 20s.
I never thought he would be a Pro-Bowl selection in his first year.
Against the Ravens, he got bowled over by Suggs, got completely shoved back on his butt into the backfield.
(Wish I know how to make a vid so I can replace the Myers/Jenkins hoopla, lol)

76Texan
01-14-2011, 12:50 AM
Dontay Moch OLB Nevada.... thoughts on him shooting up the boards? A potential selection for us at #11!?

I liked him since last year, but have not seen him this year but once in the bowl game a few days ago.
Can't grade him yet.

I like Kaepernick also since last year.
An interesting prospect in the 6th round.
He will fit right in with Schaub, giving that long-winded motion :)
He's been working on it (as did Schaub) and has shortened it more than Schaub (I think).
But he has an excuse: He's 93-mph fastball pitcher.

76Texan
01-14-2011, 12:55 AM
IMO:

Ayers should be alot higher. Teens for sure.
Gabbert too high. But we have had this conversation before. What is so special about him? Or is he just the flavor of the month now that Luck went back to school? Help me out here guys?
I still like Prince top 8.
I dont think Fairley is #1, but I am fine with him there.
With Blackmon gone, I think Julio Jones should be around 15.
I would be ok with sliding Rudolph up a couple spots.
Also I am bleh on Newton. But I am indifferent because I know some sucker will draft him top 10.

Saw Gabbert once against Nebraska.
Not impressed as a first rounder at this moment.

I don't know where to put Ayers, but if we can trade back to draft him and his teammate Moore, I wouldn't mind it at all.
(Haven't seen enough of them though.)

76Texan
01-14-2011, 12:58 AM
Whichever team that drafts Mallett would better give him room to step up in the pocket.
It's not his fault that he's too tall.
I don't see him as a bust like Jamarcus Russell, but his height can be a disadvantage for him at times.

beerlover
01-14-2011, 01:24 AM
1. Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
6. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
7. Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

1st of 4 parts (8 ea.) R we Good?

next up revist 9-16

9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

Blake
01-14-2011, 09:15 AM
next up revist 9-16

9. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
10. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
11. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
12. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
14. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
15. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
16. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

I would drop Harris a spot or 2. I like Ayers and Julio better at #16.

JB
01-14-2011, 09:22 AM
I think all 3 qb's need to be dropped.

steelbtexan
01-14-2011, 11:16 AM
I have Watt and Mallett at #11,12

Julio Jones at #13

Paea is in my next grouping.

jay23728
01-14-2011, 12:30 PM
I think prince is too high at 8 I can see him sliding into the teens. ayers and miller should be rated about the same, one at 15, the other 16. drop mallet down. miller is the better rusher, but ayers seems a little stiffer against the run.

beerlover
01-14-2011, 02:27 PM
I would drop Harris a spot or 2. I like Ayers and Julio better at #16.

I'm tracking with you on that.

I think prince is too high at 8 I can see him sliding into the teens. ayers and miller should be rated about the same, one at 15, the other 16. drop mallet down. miller is the better rusher, but ayers seems a little stiffer against the run.

I could see Prince sliding but also hanging in top 10, tough call. now we know Ayers is coming out we can move him higher, your right, should be very close to Miller, w/Von getting slight edge because he is a legit pass rusher.

I think all 3 qb's need to be dropped.

thats a difficult request, even if your right. keeping Locker late, much disagreement about Mallett. Saw holes in Cams game Monday, but he should still hold interest for teams needing QB help.

I have Watt and Mallett at #11,12

Julio Jones at #13

Paea is in my next grouping.

Watt up. Jones stock rising (Blackmon staying) legit #2 WR. Paea is the top NT prospect in draft. Also moved top LT prospect into discussion Solder who he getting lots of love with those measreables, franchise position.

This is the group from which the Texans will select 9-12 all could happen?

9. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

JB
01-14-2011, 02:35 PM
This is the group from which the Texans will select 9-12 all could happen?

9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230


This group looks pretty good now.

jay23728
01-14-2011, 02:43 PM
I can agree with grouping looks good.

Blake
01-14-2011, 02:47 PM
JJ Watt not Watts BL! :)

beerlover
01-14-2011, 02:49 PM
JJ Watt not Watts BL! :)

Watt :wadepalm:

beerlover
01-16-2011, 12:15 AM
1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

next up for discussion -

17. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
18. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
19. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
20. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
21. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
22. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
24. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

steelbtexan
01-16-2011, 12:44 AM
1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

next up for discussion -

17. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
18. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
19. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
20. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
21. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
22. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
23. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
24. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

17.Ingram
18.Newton
19.Sherrod
20.Mallett
21.Harris
22.Bailey
23.Kerrigan
24.Smith

That's how I have them rated.

I really like how the board is setting up. Everybody is doing a great job.

Thanks BL this is kind of fun.

beerlover
01-16-2011, 09:21 AM
17.Ingram
18.Newton
19.Sherrod
20.Mallett
21.Harris
22.Bailey
23.Kerrigan
24.Smith

That's how I have them rated.

I really like how the board is setting up. Everybody is doing a great job.

Thanks BL this is kind of fun.

seems reasonable, maybe Newton slips a little bit? there are a couple other prospects who's stock is rising like Georgia OLB Justin Houston, Missouri DE/OLB Aldon Smith, & Illinois DT Corey Liuget DT that we need to start looking at & into top 32 overall prospects declared for 2011 NFL draft.

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
24.

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Corey Liuget, Illinois DT 6-3 - 295

In another important matter, feel we should bump Fairley down one notch from #1 to #2 & move Da'Quan Bowers up to the #1 position. What do you guys think about that?

JB
01-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Yeah, I think Bowers should probably be #1...

And Tyron Smith is going to be moving up the boards

beerlover
01-16-2011, 09:47 AM
Yeah, I think Bowers should probably be #1...

And Tyron Smith is going to be moving up the boards

my thinking as well, most guys who post here seem to feel same way so its a done deal.

your thoughts would be to move Tyron Smith into the 18th position?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290

JB
01-16-2011, 10:09 AM
Maybe Kerrigan at 18 and Smith at 19

steelbtexan
01-16-2011, 10:17 AM
my thinking as well, most guys who post here seem to feel same way so its a done deal.

your thoughts would be to move Tyron Smith into the 18th position?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

I dont like Smith that much, he's built like a greek god. But weighs only 280-285 Lbs. That's really light for a tackle. He may show up at the Combine weighing more and still have his athletcism. Houston is sombody the Texans should look at if they trade down. Houston reminds me alot of Terrell Suggs. He would be a steal at this point in the draft.

Hopefully the Texans will be able to trade down and draft Houston late in the 1st and Arron Williams in the 2nd. Then add more talent with the picks from the trade down. Or use those extra picks to trade back into the bottom of the 2nd and take Ellis or Fua late in the 2nd.

This takes thinking outside the box. I' m not sure Smithiak are capable of doing this. Their drafting track record says they cant. Maybe when it's the Texans time to draft in the 1st 3 rds. Kunbiak will be at home recovering from a 2nd sleep apnea surgery and Smith will be in the bathroom. That way Phillips will be able to draft the players he needs to rebuild the defense.

beerlover
01-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Maybe Kerrigan at 18 and Smith at 19

thinking same thing. done!

beerlover
01-16-2011, 10:24 AM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290


one more & we have our top 20, looks damn good if I say so myself, good job guys, now is it Cam or Mallett time, maybe one of the hybrid LB's, a corner?

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6-5 - 288

steelbtexan
01-16-2011, 10:26 AM
thinking same thing. done!

That seem about right for those 2 players.

Dont sleep on Anthony Costanzo.

He's going to make some team picking at the bottom of the 1st rd very happy.

(Colts,Bears,Steelers ect...)

#20 Newton
#21 Aldon Smith
#22 Harris

beerlover
01-16-2011, 10:47 AM
That seem about right for those 2 players.

Dont sleep on Anthony Costanzo.

He's going to make some team picking at the bottom of the 1st rd very happy.

(Colts,Bears,Steelers ect...)

#20 Newton
#21 Aldon Smith
#22 Harris

one of the late entry's has caught my attention, need to ask if anyone here is familiar with Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295? He was unblock-able against Baylor in Texas Bowl (also where fell in love with RB Mikel LeShoure game).

Here is an analysis per Rob Rang of NFLDS:

Pass rush: Tough for many college interior linemen to handle one-on-one in pass protection. Quick enough to beat lesser linemen off the snap at three-tech, uses his hands to free himself from block when there is enough space to do so. Gets his man on skates or pushes through a block (or double) to the quarterback to get pressure. Also strong and quick enough to play on the nose in obvious passing situations. Recovers from strong punch to run through a gap immediately. Does not have elite closing speed, but his hustle and ability to stay low make him difficult to escape within or outside the pocket.

Run defense: Stout defender who plays with a strong base. Penetrates into the backfield with quickness. Lines up at three and five-technique spots. Capable of stack-shed inside or outside. Gets past reach blocks on inside runs with quick feet and strength to keep blocker on his shoulder. Usually keeps his head up to find the ball. Lacks acceleration to keep outside containment as a five-technique. Not consistent defeating cut blocks with his hands.

Explosion: Not elite in his first step, but has enough to be a pass rush and penetrating run-stopper inside. Ballcarriers feel every bit of his strength when he tackles them, and blockers are bruised up with his punching and swiping throughout the game.

Strength: His ability to play multiple positions not only comes from his quick feet, but also his strength. Lands a big punch into the chest of his man, swipes with aggression to move the blocker aside. Uses his low center of gravity to his advantage, getting leverage to stack one-on-one and shed to either direction when playing two-gap at nose tackle. Senses zone block, uses blocker's inertia against him with a strong push to get into the backfield. Usually anchors well against single and double blocks, but can get moved by NFL-caliber linemen.

Tackling: Strong upper body, hustle, and good length make him an excellent tackler. Engulfs running backs in the backfield when able to penetrate. Built low to the ground, displays excellent change of direction ability to stay in front of backs cutting against the grain. Hustles 10-15 yards downfield to make or help on tackles. Adds himself to piles when able. Lacks elite closing speed to chase down backs from behind. Tends to run out of steam when playing a lot at the end of games.

Intangibles: Coaches say Liuget is a leader in the locker and meetings rooms. Chose Illinois over southern schools because of head coach Ron Zook. Wished to transfer after two years in Champaign due to home sickness; mother said he would not be welcome home if he transferred.

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2011, 11:20 AM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290


one more & we have our top 20, looks damn good if I say so myself, good job guys, now is it Cam or Mallett time, maybe one of the hybrid LB's, a corner?

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6-5 - 288

The red shows players i think would draw the Texans interest and might be there . Having watched the Steelers and Packers , I'm thinking the ideal size for an OLB in a 3-4 is 6'2 or so . If I had my choice I'd take 6'1 before 6'5 . Also the NG needs short , stocky legs and a long thick torso . Why ... cause you bend at the waist and like the 6'2 OLB , low man wins .

beerlover
01-16-2011, 11:39 AM
So if we get our big board correct we can do something similar to what Honoring Earl 34 suggests (nice job, by the way) taking prospects in order rated straight off Big Board -

1. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
2. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
3. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
4. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
5. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
6. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
7. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
8. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
9. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
10.Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
11.Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2011, 12:05 PM
So if we get our big board correct we can do something similar to what Honoring Earl 34 suggests (nice job, by the way) taking prospects in order rated straight off Big Board -

1. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
2. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
3. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
4. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
5. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
6. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
7. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
8. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
9. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
10.Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
11.Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260

So off that list , I think the players in blue are a better fit or higher priority . If Smith's 6'5 then he's a tweener IMO . Same thing with Quinn .

beerlover
01-16-2011, 01:52 PM
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So off that list , I think the players in blue are a better fit or higher priority . If Smith's 6'5 then he's a tweener IMO . Same thing with Quinn .

why not highlight JJ Watt, he projects as 3-4 end or are you suggesting Texans already set @ position?

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2011, 02:11 PM
why not highlight JJ Watt, he projects as 3-4 end or are you suggesting Texans already set @ position?

No ... I think NG , OLB , or CB are more of a need . I guess the exception would be someone fell who was to good to be true .

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2011, 07:27 PM
My old friend the draft tek .

http://www.drafttek.com/CMDRound1.asp

JB
01-16-2011, 07:31 PM
Don't know much about Cameron Jordan

Honoring Earl 34
01-16-2011, 07:51 PM
Don't know much about Cameron Jordan

I wouldn't go DE unless I thought he could play OLB . That guys is 280 or so .

JB
01-16-2011, 07:52 PM
I wouldn't go DE unless I thought he could play OLB . That guys is 280 or so .

Yeah, I don't think we need a DE near as much as we do LB'ers

beerlover
01-17-2011, 12:57 AM
for honoring earl 34 a 3-4 OLB #20. everybody good with that?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260

bah007
01-17-2011, 02:21 AM
Hey guys and gals, I haven't posted in this thread yet but I've been following it.

I just thought I would post my top 32 in here to see how it compares to the board consensus and hopefully generate some discussion.

This isn't so much how I would rank the players based on talent as much as it is what I think their perceived value is to the 32 NFL teams (i.e. I don't think Mallett is the 9th best player in the draft but I do think he will be the first QB drafted).


1.A.J. Green – WR, Georgia
2.Patrick Peterson – CB, LSU
3.Nick Fairley – DT, Auburn
4.Da'Quan Bowers – DE, Clemson
5.Marcell Dareus – DT/DE, Alabama
6.Robert Quinn – DE/OLB, North Carolina
7.Prince Amukamara – CB, Nebraska
8.Cameron Jordan – DE, California
9.Ryan Mallett – QB, Arkansas
10.Derek Sherrod – OT, Mississippi St
11.Stephen Paea – DT, Oregon St
12.J.J. Watt – DE, Wisconsin
13.Cameron Newton – QB, Auburn
14.Julio Jones – WR, Alabama
15.Cameron Heyward – DT/DE, Ohio St
16.Adrian Clayborn – DE, Iowa
17.Mark Ingram – HB, Alabama
18.Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College
19.Bruce Carter – OLB, North Carolina
20.Jake Locker – QB, Washington
21.Ryan Kerrigan – DE, Purdue
22.Justin Houston – OLB, Georgia
23.Nate Solder – OT, Colorado
24.Brandon Harris – CB, Miami
25.Von Miller – OLB, Texas A&M
26.Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin
27.Kyle Rudolph – TE, Notre Dame
28.Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida
29.Akeem Ayers – OLB, UCLA
30.Stefen Wisniewski – C, Penn St
31.Drake Nevis – DT, LSU
32.Rahim Moore – FS, UCLA

beerlover
01-17-2011, 11:29 AM
Hey guys and gals, I haven't posted in this thread yet but I've been following it.

I just thought I would post my top 32 in here to see how it compares to the board consensus and hopefully generate some discussion.

This isn't so much how I would rank the players based on talent as much as it is what I think their perceived value is to the 32 NFL teams (i.e. I don't think Mallett is the 9th best player in the draft but I do think he will be the first QB drafted).


1.A.J. Green – WR, Georgia
2.Patrick Peterson – CB, LSU
3.Nick Fairley – DT, Auburn
4.Da'Quan Bowers – DE, Clemson
5.Marcell Dareus – DT/DE, Alabama
6.Robert Quinn – DE/OLB, North Carolina
7.Prince Amukamara – CB, Nebraska
8.Cameron Jordan – DE, California
9.Ryan Mallett – QB, Arkansas
10.Derek Sherrod – OT, Mississippi St
11.Stephen Paea – DT, Oregon St
12.J.J. Watt – DE, Wisconsin
13.Cameron Newton – QB, Auburn
14.Julio Jones – WR, Alabama
15.Cameron Heyward – DT/DE, Ohio St
16.Adrian Clayborn – DE, Iowa
17.Mark Ingram – HB, Alabama
18.Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College
19.Bruce Carter – OLB, North Carolina
20.Jake Locker – QB, Washington
21.Ryan Kerrigan – DE, Purdue
22.Justin Houston – OLB, Georgia
23.Nate Solder – OT, Colorado
24.Brandon Harris – CB, Miami
25.Von Miller – OLB, Texas A&M
26.Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin
27.Kyle Rudolph – TE, Notre Dame
28.Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida
29.Akeem Ayers – OLB, UCLA
30.Stefen Wisniewski – C, Penn St
31.Drake Nevis – DT, LSU
32.Rahim Moore – FS, UCLA

our top 20 does not include Cam Newton or Ryan Mallet. another Cam, Hayward you have real high, along with Castonzo & Carter. those three standout to me as end of first rd. early 2nd prospects. the rest looks pretty good, we switched Bowers to #1 & Fairley #2. really could use your input & everybody's help to finish, this is our 2nd evolution so expect a third maybe a fourth before all the dust is settled. :)

steelbtexan
01-17-2011, 11:42 AM
No way Bruce Carter goes at #19 with a torn ACL.

Ayers should be higher.

Overall good job

I would put this big board up against the Texans big board.

It's probably better than the Texans big board. LOL

kiwitexansfan
01-17-2011, 12:36 PM
No Gabbert?

Consensus #1 QB prospect in the draft.

Blake
01-17-2011, 12:43 PM
No Gabbert?

Consensus #1 QB prospect in the draft.

What makes you think he is the consensus #1? I thought he was a 2nd round pick 3 weeks ago. But now that Luck is going back to school I feel he is bumped up middle to bottom of the first round.

beerlover
01-17-2011, 01:05 PM
What makes you think he is the consensus #1? I thought he was a 2nd round pick 3 weeks ago. But now that Luck is going back to school I feel he is bumped up middle to bottom of the first round.

most of the big media mocks, FWIW :)

beerlover
01-17-2011, 03:17 PM
lets keep going please, need more feedback :)

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260

Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'-5 - 288
Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 308
Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327
Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Stefen Wisniewski – C, Penn St - 6'3 - 306
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
Kyle Rudolph – TE, Notre Dame - 6'6 265
Rahim Moore – FS, UCLA - 6'1 196
Dontay Moch - OLB, Nevada - 6'1 - 242
Jimmy Smith - CB, Colorado - 6'2 - 205
Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 285

Blake
01-17-2011, 03:22 PM
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Kyle Rudolph – TE, Notre Dame - 6'6 265
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

JB
01-17-2011, 03:30 PM
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'-5 - 288
Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327
Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 285
Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 308
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

beerlover
01-17-2011, 03:57 PM
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Kyle Rudolph – TE, Notre Dame - 6'6 265
Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

I'm still waiting for more members to vote Newton or Mallett, recent drafts do have some history of QB's falling, last year Clausen, but then Denver trades up for Tebow, hence McDaniels is fired. I would like a clear objective discussion of each players merits & where they should fall.

beerlover
01-17-2011, 04:02 PM
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'-5 - 288
Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327
Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 285
Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 308
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

Liuget is far more impressive to me then Heyward but Cameron is probably more attractive to both 3-4 & 4-3 teams. tough to call. Pouncey is best suited to play OG, kinda high yet per position. Gabe

beerlover
01-17-2011, 04:06 PM
Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'-5 - 288
Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Gabe Carimi – OT, Wisconsin - 6'7 - 327
Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 285
Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 308
Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Allen Bailey, DE, Miami - 6'4 - 288
Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

Liuget is far more impressive to me then Heyward but Cameron is probably more attractive to both 3-4 & 4-3 teams. tough to call. Pouncey is best suited to play OG, kinda high yet per position. Gabe & Anthony look more like RT's but elite, not bad to take either here I suppose, but which one & why? Bailey draft stock seems to be falling while Jordans is rising, over Heyward too I think? Need to include your choice of QB @ some point.

bah007
01-17-2011, 04:07 PM
Liuget is far more impressive to me then Heyward but Cameron is probably more attractive to both 3-4 & 4-3 teams. tough to call. Pouncey is best suited to play OG, kinda high yet per position. Gabe

I like Liuget a ton more than I like Heyward. But Heyward's versatility pushes him up the board a little bit, I think.

If I'm a 43 team, I love Liuget. If I'm a 34, he probably isn't even on my board.

kiwitexansfan
01-17-2011, 04:17 PM
What makes you think he is the consensus #1? I thought he was a 2nd round pick 3 weeks ago. But now that Luck is going back to school I feel he is bumped up middle to bottom of the first round.

That is just the word in the media and around the interwebs.

Personally I think he will be an AWFUL AWFUL pro.

That is why I hope the Titans snap him up as their QB of the future.

JB
01-17-2011, 04:36 PM
Liuget is far more impressive to me then Heyward but Cameron is probably more attractive to both 3-4 & 4-3 teams. tough to call. Pouncey is best suited to play OG, kinda high yet per position. Gabe & Anthony look more like RT's but elite, not bad to take either here I suppose, but which one & why? Bailey draft stock seems to be falling while Jordans is rising, over Heyward too I think? Need to include your choice of QB @ some point.

To be honest, I forgot we were doing a Texans big board, so I was ranking them to try to put some order in my mind. I think Jordan may rise up to the top of this group, and I think that Pouncey will go higher than most of the tackles in this draft. I've got Newton mid-twenties and Mallet late twenties.

beerlover
01-17-2011, 04:43 PM
To be honest, I forgot we were doing a Texans big board, so I was ranking them to try to put some order in my mind. I think Jordan may rise up to the top of this group, and I think that Pouncey will go higher than most of the tackles in this draft. I've got Newton mid-twenties and Mallet late twenties.

this is not a Texans Big Board. It is supposed to be a league wide Big Board. naturally it will have a Texan flavor, hence the 20th rated player, but as a general rule we are working from overall view point & as of right now we are trying to establish #21. my vote is going Cam Newton. I doubt very few boards have him lasting this long & it always seems there is a need for QB's in the NFL.

JB
01-17-2011, 04:45 PM
Well crap, I musta slept or something and got all confused!

bah007
01-17-2011, 05:27 PM
I'll vote Newton too.

I don't think he will make it as a pro QB, but I do think that some coach will convince himself that he can.

He'll be taken in the first half of the first round.

beerlover
01-17-2011, 05:46 PM
I'll vote Newton too.

I don't think he will make it as a pro QB, but I do think that some coach will convince himself that he can.

He'll be taken in the first half of the first round.

Mobility is a huge plus for Cam, he can move around in the pocket & shake people off, his decision making is that of a playmaker, his throwing motion is better than Vince Young, he could run a wildcat offense now, would like to see him work out @ TE, he could throw from outside pocket or pull it down & run. Very good athlete, gives lots of options.

TexansSeminole
01-17-2011, 05:57 PM
I'd go, in order, from here on:

Mallett
Nevis
Hayward
Rudolph
Harris
Bailey

...

beerlover
01-17-2011, 06:42 PM
we also have three OT's still on the board, should be a run on them soon?

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
9. J.J. Watts, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
21. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238

beerlover
01-17-2011, 06:51 PM
I'd go, in order, from here on:

Mallett
Nevis
Hayward
Rudolph
Harris
Bailey

...

went Mallett after Newton as suggested. this tells me they are going to the combine battle for position/higher grade, then we'll have a better idea of correct order.

beerlover
01-17-2011, 10:26 PM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
Explosive & disruptive edge rusher. rmartin65 pick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKTEzVBDrrw
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
Nasty interior, unblock-able at times, top DT of 2011 draft.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77542
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Great athlete, premium size/speed package to cover NFL #1 WR's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxqJjwuUCvg
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Top offensive player in draft, lean body, strong, large hands to pluck ball/maintain possession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aABY_tEmewg
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Great accuracy, smooth release, top rated QB because of it.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/4/1913801/blaine-gabbert-nfl-draft-scouting-report
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Solid tackle prospect, well coached, ready to start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHwrkeP-Cw
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Great Measurable for pass rushing DE.
http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/de/robert-quinn.shtml
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Quality NFL caliber CB, very physical & solid in run support.
http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/cb/prince-amukamara.shtml
9. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
Maybe the top 3-4 DE in the draft, this underclassman has it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QT2-mRCgX0
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Not the body or range of AJ Green but very smart football player & possession receiver.
http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/18/1941970/2011-nfl-mock-draft-blaine-gabbert-von-miller-julio-jones-redskins
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
Under rated on most boards but not this one. Excels at point of contact, bull strong & quick requiring double teams often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Ftcdl-VRI&feature=related
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Projects to 3-4 OLB position. Good instinct & cat quick reflexes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZSceCN5Yg
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Anyone who's seen him play knows he stands out on the field not only 6'9" has huge wingspan & surprising footwork to keep would be pass rushers off QB.
http://detroit.sbnation.com/detroit-lions/2011/1/17/1940665/2011-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Yes his stock has dropped a bit, double teamed most every-time, but still relentless, lots of heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5R8sdH0tyI
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
UCLA was so inconsistent its hard to rate their players but Akeem was all over the field, kinda reminded me of last years 8th pick in the draft Rolando McClain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14Px6MLRfk
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
Looks the part, solid build, strong arm will need to show he can execute NFL playbook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bC5U5QqPBs
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Franchise back for a team who needs immediate running game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bC5U5QqPBs
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Relentless 4-3 DE with good moves & sound technique.
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
Most athletic tackle in class, who fits the ZBS.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/11/29/1844658/tyron-smith-nfl-draft-scouting-report
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260
Finished the regular season as the SEC sacks leader, that says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0L2RVId90
21. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Mobile, superior athlete who relishes leadership role for his team.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/513091-cam-newton-how-high-could-he-be-drafted-in-2011#page/1
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Reckless with the ball at times, gunslinger mentality, no questions about his arm strength.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/530289-nfl-mock-draft-2011-has-ryan-mallett-passed-jake-locker-on-big-board#page/2
23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
Sound technique but plays physical, can play LT or RT.
http://www.ncaagridirongab.com/2010/12/22/ncaa-gridiron-gab-2011-nfl-draft-prospect-scouting-report-%E2%80%93-ot-anthony-costanzo/
24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
I'm unsure if his slide down is warranted or not? He still has plenty of time to impress scouts & move back into the Top 20.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2730
25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288
Versatile, above-average strength, size, athleticism suggest he could fill in a 3-4 DE.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2383
26. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
Should be attractive to both 3-4 or 4-3 teams, this could propel him higher leading up to the draft.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/aug/26/smith-is-left-holding-the-bag-often/
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Not as highly touted as his brother Maurkice, he is cut from the same mold, hence his draft stock is elevated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st4cMpEEA30
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
Very disruptive, interior lineman. premium defensive position in NFL.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2011/01/lsu_dt_drake_nevis_good_player.html
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Highest ranked Senior LT. Great feet & long arms, will need to play stronger/more consistent.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/11/18/1821866/derek-sherrod-nfl-draft-scouting-report
30. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
Athletic 4-3 LDE or possibly a 3-4 DE. Dynamic play maker if left one on one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIVTNoQHHA
31. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230
Devastating combination of size & strength. somehow I had dropped him off prospect list, but trust me he is going to be sensational in the NFL. BL pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGGOe0D_go
32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295
Unblock able in single match-ups. Good core strength, explosive burst off line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlprPUyKL8M

beerlover
01-17-2011, 11:27 PM
Would like to thank all those who did participate, for their input & insight into 2011 class of NFL prospects. In no particular order: JB, bah007, steelbtexan, kiwitexansfan, Super Mario, Honoring Earl 34, jay23728, Ole Miss Texan, rmartin65, ReliantTexan, 76Texan, TexansSeminole, Texan4Ever, YoungTexanFan, Insideop, Doppelganger1, Dutchrudder, drs23, gary, texanchris and of course Badboy. Forgive me if I forgot to mention more, time is short & I felt like this was starting to drag a bit so used all the information provided to wrap things up.

thank you :toropalm:

steelbtexan
01-17-2011, 11:33 PM
Good board,

I like Gabbert alot. (Top 15)

Costanzo is going to be a steal in this draft. He reminds of Matt Light.

Harris is a great value.

Look for Pittsburgh to take Pouncey late in the 1st Rd.

JB
01-17-2011, 11:40 PM
Great Job BL!

rmartin65
01-18-2011, 10:03 AM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
Explosive & disruptive edge rusher. rmartin65 pick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKTEzVBDrrw
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
Nasty interior, unblock-able at times, top DT of 2011 draft.
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Great athlete, premium size/speed package to cover NFL #1 WR's.
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Top offensive player in draft, lean body, strong, large hands to pluck ball/maintain possession.
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), 6-5 235
Great accuracy, smooth release, top rated QB because of it.
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Solid tackle prospect, well coached, ready to start.
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Great Measurable for pass rushing DE.
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Quality NFL caliber CB, very physical & solid in run support.
9. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
Maybe the top 3-4 DE in the draft, this underclassman has it all.
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Not the body or range of AJ Green but very smart football player & possession receiver.
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
Under rated on most boards but not this one. Excels at point of contact, bull strong & quick requiring double teams often.
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Projects to 3-4 OLB position. Good instinct & cat quick reflexes.
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Anyone who's seen him play knows he stands out on the field not only 6'9" has huge wingspan & surprising footwork to keep would be pass rushers off QB.
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4" - 285
Yes his stock has dropped a bit, double teamed most every-time, but still relentless, lots of heart.
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
UCLA was so inconsistent its hard to rate their players but Akeem was all over the field, kinda reminded me of last years 8th pick in the draft Rolando McClain.
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
Looks the part, solid build, strong arm will need to show he can execute NFL playbook.
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Franchise back for a team who needs immediate running game.
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Relentless 4-3 DE with good moves & sound technique.
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6-6 - 290
Most athletic tackle in class, who fits the ZBS.
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6-3 - 260
Finished the regular season as the SEC sacks leader, that says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0L2RVId90
21. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Mobile, superior athlete who relishes leadership role for his team.
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Reckless with the ball at times, gunslinger mentality, no questions about his arm strength.
23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 308
Sound technique but plays physical, can play LT or RT.
24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
I'm unsure if his slide down is warranted or not? He still has plenty of time to impress scouts & move back into the Top 20.
25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'-5 - 288
Versatile, above-average strength, size, athleticism suggest he could fill in a 3-4 DE.
26. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6-5 - 265
Should be attractive to both 3-4 or 4-3 teams, this could propel him higher leading up to the draft.
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Not as highly touted as his brother Maurkice, he is cut from the same mold, hence his draft stock is elevated.
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
Very disruptive, interior lineman. premium defensive position in NFL.
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Highest ranked Senior LT. Great feet & long arms, will need to play stronger/more consistent.
30. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 285
Athletic 4-3 LDE or possibly a 3-4 DE. Dynamic play maker if left one on one.
31. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), 6-0, 230
Devastating combination of size & strength. somehow I had dropped him off prospect list, but trust me he is going to be sensational in the NFL. BL pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGGOe0D_go
32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6-3 - 295
Unblock able in single match-ups. Good core strength, explosive burst off line.


This is a great board to work off of. Well done!

:bravo:

76Texan
01-18-2011, 10:56 AM
This is a great board to work off of. Well done!

:bravo:

Ditto.

I haven't seen all these guys so it's great to have something to work off of.

Just want to add something that I catch as I watch more games:

Bowers was a guy I like since his sophomore year.
I thought he can play on Sunday.
Heard that he dropped 15-20 lbs this year during the Clemson/MD game.
Anybody knows whether the listed weigh here is current?

rmartin65
01-18-2011, 11:03 AM
Bowers was a guy I like since his sophomore year.
I thought he can play on Sunday.
Heard that he dropped 15-20 lbs this year during the Clemson/MD game.
Anybody knows whether the listed weigh here is current?

I think his current weight is 275 - 280 lbs.

Bowers is a special talent, no doubt. Whoever gets him will be pretty lucky.

76Texan
01-18-2011, 01:41 PM
Does it look like Quin needs to work on his leg muscles?

http://www.nfldraftbible.com/images/stories/CFI/quinn_cr.jpg

bah007
01-18-2011, 02:20 PM
Does it look like Quin needs to work on his leg muscles?

I think he is just naturally thin. He looks like a basketball player to me. He is an incredible athlete. I know he is pretty tall, but he has excellent body control. I think he would make a great rush LB in a 34. Obviously, he can also play end in a 43.

Blake
01-18-2011, 05:25 PM
Ill take his teammate in the 2nd. He deffinately doesnt have skinny legs syndrome.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/unc/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/1580843.jpeg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDFNQcWJhJvx4H7nSk2v9jWtB84KRDV aK8lcFi82porrBFx6WO

J_R
01-19-2011, 02:05 PM
The final list of underclassmen that have declared (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/27/draft-eligible-underclassmen-declarations-tracker/):

QUARTERBACKS
Cam Newton, Auburn (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/13/cam-newton-puts-drama-in-the-rear-view-heads-for-the-nfl/) (1/13/2011)
Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/to-the-surprise-of-no-one-mallett-enters-nfl-draft/) (1/6/2011)
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/27/draft-eligible-underclassmen-declarations-tracker/) (1/3/2011)

RUNNING BACKS
Stevan Ridley, LSU (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/13/lsu-rb-ridley-leaves-early-geauxs-to-nfl/) (1/13/2011)
Mikel Leshoure, Illinois (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/) (1/11/2011)
Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/beavers-take-hard-hit-jacquizz-rodgers-heads-to-nfl/) (1/10/2011)
Jamie Harper, Clemson (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/clemson-loses-leading-rusher-to-nfl/) (1/9/2011)
Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/two-for-the-road-vt-running-back-williams-also-heads-to-the-nfl/) (1/9/2011)
Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/pitt-rb-lewis-to-make-one-last-run-then-bolt-for-pros/) (1/7/2011)
John Clay, Wisconsin (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/clay-to-eschew-daynes-advice-enter-nfl-draft/) (1/7/2011)
Mark Ingram, Alabama (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/tide-trio-makes-it-official-ingram-dareus-jones-headed-to-nfl/) (1/7/2011)
Darren Evans, Virginia Tech (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/hokies-rb-darren-evans-opts-for-nfl/) (1/6/2011)
Jordan Todman, UConn (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/uconn-loses-nations-second-leading-rusher-to-nfl/) (1/2/2011)
Shane Vereen, Cal (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/cals-leading-rusher-headed-to-the-nfl/) (1/2/2011)

FULLBACKS
Henry Hynoski (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/trio-of-pitt-panthers-heading-for-the-nfl/), Pittsburgh (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/trio-of-pitt-panthers-heading-for-the-nfl/) (1/10/2011)

WIDE RECEIVERS
Greg Little, North Carolina
Jamel Hamler, Fresno State
Darvin Adams, Auburn (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/17/auburns-leading-receiver-past-two-years-jumps-to-the-nfl/) (1/17/2011)
Randall Cobb, Kentucky (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/13/cobb-sets-sail-from-kentucky-for-nfl/) (1/13/2011)
Jon Baldwin, Pittsburgh (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/trio-of-pitt-panthers-heading-for-the-nfl/) (1/10/2011)
A.J. Green, Georgia (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/green-is-gone-uga-loses-top-wideout-to-nfl/) (1/9/2011)
Julio Jones, Alabama (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/tide-trio-makes-it-official-ingram-dareus-jones-headed-to-nfl/) (1/7/2011)
Tandon Doss, Indiana (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/03/tandon-doss-latest-to-put-an-early-end-to-collegiate-career/) (1/3/2011)
Tori Gurley, South Carolina (1/2/2011)
DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/30/southern-miss-wr-deandre-brown-reportedly-headed-to-nfl/) (12/30/2010)
Torrey Smith, Maryland (12/29/2010)
Vidal Hazelton, Cincinnati (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/27/hazelton-makes-it-official-wrs-leaving-bearcats-for-nfl) (12/27/2010)

TIGHT ENDS
Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/05/irish-lose-te-rudolph-to-the-nfl/) (1/5/2011)

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN
Nick Claytor, Georgia Tech (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/lineman-says-see-ya-claytor-to-georgia-tech-hello-to-nfl/) (1/12/2011)
Tyron Smith, USC (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/14/trojans-to-lose-two-first-team-all-conference-players-to-nfl/) (12/14/2010)

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN
Marvin Austin, North Carolina
Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Lawrence Guy, Arizona State
Nick Fairley, Auburn (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/14/fairley-taking-his-immense-talent-bag-of-dirty-tricks-to-the-nfl/) (1/14/2011)
Sealver Siligi, Utah (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/utes-lose-another-defensive-starter-to-nfl/) (1/12/2011)
Corey Liuget, Illinois (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/liuget-latest-to-leave-illini-for-nfl/) (1/12/2011)
Aldon Smith, Missouri (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/mizzous-aldon-smith-latest-to-take-nfl-plunge/) (1/7/2011)
Marcell Dareus, Alabama (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/tide-trio-makes-it-official-ingram-dareus-jones-headed-to-nfl/) (1/7/2011)
J.J. Watt, Wisconsin (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/06/watts-up-badger-de-to-nfl-thats-what/) (1/6/2011)
Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/05/daquan-bowers-to-unleash-pass-rush-skills-on-nfl/) (1/5/2011)
Muhammad Wilkerson, Temple (1/5/2011)
Zane Parr, Virginia (1/4/2011)
Jurrell Casey, USC (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/14/trojans-to-lose-two-first-team-all-conference-players-to-nfl/) (12/14/2010)
Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss (http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-sports/2010/12/ole_miss_jerrell_powe_to_enter.html) (12/4/2010)

LINEBACKERS
Justin Houston, Georgia (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/15/houston-we-have-a-decision-uga-lb-going-pro/) (1/15/2011)
Martez Wilson, Illinois (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/illini-surprisingly-lose-lb-martez-wilson-to-the-nfl/) (1/10/2011)
Tom Keiser, Stanford (1/6/2011)
Akeem Ayers, UCLA (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/04/nfl-calls-uclas-ayers-answers/) (1/4/2011)

DEFENSIVE BACKS
Javes Lewis, Oregon
Will Hill, Florida (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/14/three-kids-pushed-will-hill-from-gators-to-nfl/) (1/14/2011)
Jerrard Tarrant, Georgia Tech (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/14/georgia-tech-takes-another-early-entry-hit/) (1/14/2011)
Tyler Sash, Iowa (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/12/hawkeyes-get-good-news-bad-news-on-junior-attrition-front/) (1/12/2011)
Patrick Peterson, LSU (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/miles-confirms-he-will-speak-to-michigan/) (1/10/2011)
Robert Sands, West Virginia (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/09/robert-sands-heading-from-morgantown-to-nfl/) (1/9/2011)
Rahim Moore, UCLA (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/07/rahim-moore-says-its-time-to-move-on-from-ucla/) (1/7/2011)
Brandon Harris, Miami (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/04/brandon-harris-leaving-the-u-for-the-nfl/) (1/4/2011)
Brandon Burton, Utah (1/3/2011)
Aaron Williams, Texas (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/30/horns-lose-cb-aaron-williams-to-nfl/) (12/30/2010)

kiwitexansfan
01-19-2011, 02:14 PM
The skinny leg question made me wonder what a speed rusher like Freeney was built like. He seems more solid than Quinn for sure.

jay23728
01-19-2011, 10:09 PM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
Explosive & disruptive edge rusher. rmartin65 pick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKTEzVBDrrw
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
Nasty interior, unblock-able at times, top DT of 2011 draft.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77542
3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Great athlete, premium size/speed package to cover NFL #1 WR's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxqJjwuUCvg
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Top offensive player in draft, lean body, strong, large hands to pluck ball/maintain possession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aABY_tEmewg
5. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Great accuracy, smooth release, top rated QB because of it.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/4/1913801/blaine-gabbert-nfl-draft-scouting-report
6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Solid tackle prospect, well coached, ready to start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHwrkeP-Cw
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Great Measurable for pass rushing DE.
http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/de/robert-quinn.shtml
8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Quality NFL caliber CB, very physical & solid in run support.
http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/cb/prince-amukamara.shtml
9. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
Maybe the top 3-4 DE in the draft, this underclassman has it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QT2-mRCgX0
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Not the body or range of AJ Green but very smart football player & possession receiver.
http://dc.sbnation.com/washington-redskins/2011/1/18/1941970/2011-nfl-mock-draft-blaine-gabbert-von-miller-julio-jones-redskins
11. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311
Under rated on most boards but not this one. Excels at point of contact, bull strong & quick requiring double teams often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Ftcdl-VRI&feature=related
12. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243
Projects to 3-4 OLB position. Good instinct & cat quick reflexes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZSceCN5Yg
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Anyone who's seen him play knows he stands out on the field not only 6'9" has huge wingspan & surprising footwork to keep would be pass rushers off QB.
http://detroit.sbnation.com/detroit-lions/2011/1/17/1940665/2011-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions
14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Yes his stock has dropped a bit, double teamed most every-time, but still relentless, lots of heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5R8sdH0tyI
15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
UCLA was so inconsistent its hard to rate their players but Akeem was all over the field, kinda reminded me of last years 8th pick in the draft Rolando McClain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14Px6MLRfk
16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
Looks the part, solid build, strong arm will need to show he can execute NFL playbook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bC5U5QqPBs
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
Franchise back for a team who needs immediate running game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bC5U5QqPBs
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Relentless 4-3 DE with good moves & sound technique.
19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
Most athletic tackle in class, who fits the ZBS.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/11/29/1844658/tyron-smith-nfl-draft-scouting-report
20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260
Finished the regular season as the SEC sacks leader, that says it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR0L2RVId90
21. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Mobile, superior athlete who relishes leadership role for his team.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/513091-cam-newton-how-high-could-he-be-drafted-in-2011#page/1
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
Reckless with the ball at times, gunslinger mentality, no questions about his arm strength.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/530289-nfl-mock-draft-2011-has-ryan-mallett-passed-jake-locker-on-big-board#page/2
23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
Sound technique but plays physical, can play LT or RT.
http://www.ncaagridirongab.com/2010/12/22/ncaa-gridiron-gab-2011-nfl-draft-prospect-scouting-report-%E2%80%93-ot-anthony-costanzo/
24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
I'm unsure if his slide down is warranted or not? He still has plenty of time to impress scouts & move back into the Top 20.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2730
25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288
Versatile, above-average strength, size, athleticism suggest he could fill in a 3-4 DE.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2383
26. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
Should be attractive to both 3-4 or 4-3 teams, this could propel him higher leading up to the draft.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/aug/26/smith-is-left-holding-the-bag-often/
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Not as highly touted as his brother Maurkice, he is cut from the same mold, hence his draft stock is elevated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st4cMpEEA30
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
Very disruptive, interior lineman. premium defensive position in NFL.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2011/01/lsu_dt_drake_nevis_good_player.html
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
Highest ranked Senior LT. Great feet & long arms, will need to play stronger/more consistent.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/11/18/1821866/derek-sherrod-nfl-draft-scouting-report
30. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
Athletic 4-3 LDE or possibly a 3-4 DE. Dynamic play maker if left one on one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIVTNoQHHA
31. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230
Devastating combination of size & strength. somehow I had dropped him off prospect list, but trust me he is going to be sensational in the NFL. BL pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGGOe0D_go
32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295
Unblock able in single match-ups. Good core strength, explosive burst off line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlprPUyKL8M


great job beerlover thanks for adding the links

beerlover
01-20-2011, 02:19 AM
It will be interesting to see how the big Mock Drafts mirror our Big Board we began in December. Even Mel admits teams bypass BPA over need, hence his first official Mock - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/579050-mel-kipers-2011-nfl-mock-draft-a-pick-by-pick-critique?vm=r compared with picks from Bleacher senior writer John Lorge.

I'm very positive many of our picks will move up these so called experts mock drafts in the coming months.

Once again great job everybody :bravo:

Honoring Earl 34
01-25-2011, 10:15 PM
Here's the heights and weights from the senior bowl .

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2011weighinDL.php

Texan4Ever
01-25-2011, 10:22 PM
Did anyone see or hear about Noel Devine (RB - WVU). Apparently, he weighed in at about 160-lbs after being listed as 180-lbs at WVU. Dude is fast but he needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the NFL.

Walter had a rough comment about him on his site:

When they show those Christian Children's Fund commercials with the weird old creeper, is Noel Devine one of the kids? Why is he only 160 pounds? Can someone please drive him to a McDonald's? His 8-and-a-half inch hands aren't helping him either.

beerlover
01-26-2011, 12:10 AM
Did anyone see or hear about Noel Devine (RB - WVU). Apparently, he weighed in at about 160-lbs after being listed as 180-lbs at WVU. Dude is fast but he needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the NFL.

Walter had a rough comment about him on his site:

California WR DeSean Jackson measured in at a disappointing 5-foot-9, 167 pounds in his combine while Jackson was listed at 6-foot, 170-pounds at Cal. So it's not the first time this has happened & by the way DeSean has done alright for himself in Philadelphia, really well when Vick is the QB.

Ndevine7
01-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Did anyone see or hear about Noel Devine (RB - WVU). Apparently, he weighed in at about 160-lbs after being listed as 180-lbs at WVU. Dude is fast but he needs to bulk up if he wants to play in the NFL.

Walter had a rough comment about him on his site:

Watching wvu all my life i love noel but i will say that the best he is going to be in the nfl is a sproles type player. 5-7 160/170 pounds runs a 4.3ish but the man is strong. Has maxed out at about 405 and can squat a lot. Watch some film on him and you can tell he has some strength he just nees to stay healthy. That was his demise his senior year. Could be a dynamic returner and a change of pace back as well as a 3rd down back.

TexansSeminole
01-26-2011, 06:19 PM
Watching wvu all my life i love noel but i will say that the best he is going to be in the nfl is a sproles type player. 5-7 160/170 pounds runs a 4.3ish but the man is strong. Has maxed out at about 405 and can squat a lot. Watch some film on him and you can tell he has some strength he just nees to stay healthy. That was his demise his senior year. Could be a dynamic returner and a change of pace back as well as a 3rd down back.

He also developed a tendency to go for the big play in his junior season. It was really bad in his senior season. He was trying to bounce everything to the outside. Devine was much better in his earlier years at WVU.

Here's the heights and weights from the senior bowl .

http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2011weighinDL.php

Weights that jump out at me:

LB Von Miller 6' 2 5/8" 237 lbs. 237 pounds? He looks it too.

LB Nate Irving 6' 1 1/4" 242 lbs. 3rd round ILB prospect? I like the way he plays. He's a bit small for the position but so was Lawrence Timmons when he was drafted. He's good in coverage and on the blitz.

LB Greg Jones 5' 11 7/8" 240 lbs. Great player but a little short. Reminds me of Buster Davis but not quite as short.

DE Jeremy Beal 6' 2 3/8" 268 lbs. Could he play OLB in the 3-4? He was an athletic end at Oklahoma.

DE Kyan Kerrigan 6' 3 7/8" 255 lbs. I expected him to be in the 260s but maybe he is trying to slim down? It will be interesting to see how he tests.

WR Leonard Hankerson 10 5/8" hands. Biggest of any player not a lineman. No wonder he caught so many TDs for Miami this past year. Maybe we can grab him in the later rounds and have Andre go to work with him.

S DeAndre McDaniel 6' 3/8" 213 lbs. Good size for FS or SS. We'll see how he tests.

S Ahmad Black 5' 9 3/8" 183 lbs. Hmm. I knew he was about 5'9 but 183 pounds is questionable for a safety.

JB
01-26-2011, 06:58 PM
He also developed a tendency to go for the big play in his junior season. It was really bad in his senior season. He was trying to bounce everything to the outside. Devine was much better in his earlier years at WVU.



Weights that jump out at me:


DE Kyan Kerrigan 6' 3 7/8" 255 lbs. I expected him to be in the 260s but maybe he is trying to slim down? It will be interesting to see how he tests.


I heard him on the radio this morning talking to LZ. He said he preferred to play at 260-265. But he had dropped down to about 250, and was now putting the weight back on. He said he is trending upward.

Texan4Ever
01-26-2011, 07:24 PM
He also developed a tendency to go for the big play in his junior season. It was really bad in his senior season. He was trying to bounce everything to the outside. Devine was much better in his earlier years at WVU.



Weights that jump out at me:

LB Von Miller 6' 2 5/8" 237 lbs. 237 pounds? He looks it too.

LB Nate Irving 6' 1 1/4" 242 lbs. 3rd round ILB prospect? I like the way he plays. He's a bit small for the position but so was Lawrence Timmons when he was drafted. He's good in coverage and on the blitz.

LB Greg Jones 5' 11 7/8" 240 lbs. Great player but a little short. Reminds me of Buster Davis but not quite as short.

DE Jeremy Beal 6' 2 3/8" 268 lbs. Could he play OLB in the 3-4? He was an athletic end at Oklahoma.

DE Kyan Kerrigan 6' 3 7/8" 255 lbs. I expected him to be in the 260s but maybe he is trying to slim down? It will be interesting to see how he tests.

WR Leonard Hankerson 10 5/8" hands. Biggest of any player not a lineman. No wonder he caught so many TDs for Miami this past year. Maybe we can grab him in the later rounds and have Andre go to work with him.

S DeAndre McDaniel 6' 3/8" 213 lbs. Good size for FS or SS. We'll see how he tests.

S Ahmad Black 5' 9 3/8" 183 lbs. Hmm. I knew he was about 5'9 but 183 pounds is questionable for a safety.


I didn't realize Greg Jones was 5'11". I always thought he was 6'1" but I guess those are inflated numbers. It amazes me that even though he has been productive in college, he is being overlooked by many people outside of MSU fans.

Could he play in a 3-4 scheme? Love to have a productive player like him on our squad.

HoustonFrog
01-26-2011, 07:28 PM
Von Miller is moving up this week..probably Top 5 now..every report I've read has him as being the stud in practice

http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
To those asking where Texans A+M LB Von Miller will go in the NFL draft, the early signs are, Top 5 pick.

Texan4Ever
01-26-2011, 07:36 PM
Scott Wright evaluated players based on how they looked during the weigh-in. Good things said about Phily Taylor and Stephen Paea (some comments are downright nasty IMO :))

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

bah007
01-26-2011, 08:09 PM
Scott Wright evaluated players based on how they looked during the weigh-in. Good things said about Phily Taylor and Stephen Paea (some comments are downright nasty IMO :))

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

Love the comments about the kickers/punters

drs23
01-26-2011, 08:30 PM
Scott Wright evaluated players based on how they looked during the weigh-in. Good things said about Phily Taylor and Stephen Paea (some comments are downright nasty IMO :))
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SeniorBowl/reports/Weigh-In.php

Really! Don't show up there flabby or with MAN BOOBS! :D

rmartin65
01-26-2011, 08:57 PM
Really! Don't show up there flabby or with MAN BOOBS! :D

For me it was the guy drooling like a teenage girl. "Oooh, he has a 6 pack! Sexy!"

By the way, not jealous. Had a six pack a little while ago, hated not being able to eat.

Blake
01-27-2011, 09:05 AM
For me it was the guy drooling like a teenage girl. "Oooh, he has a 6 pack! Sexy!"

By the way, not jealous. Had a six pack a little while ago, hated not being able to eat.

You cant eat with a six pack?

Some of the best eating ive ever done is with a 6 pack of Lone Star tall boys!

kiwitexansfan
01-31-2011, 07:47 PM
Just curious as to where you all have Jimmy Smith CB from Colorado.

I heard today that he is moving to the top of some peoples boards as the best CB in the draft. I really like what I have read about him but haven't seen much tape.

Texan4Ever
01-31-2011, 08:33 PM
Just curious as to where you all have Jimmy Smith CB from Colorado.

I heard today that he is moving to the top of some peoples boards as the best CB in the draft. I really like what I have read about him but haven't seen much tape.


I think 76 posted something about him based on tapes and he doesn't seem to immpressed with Smith. He could be right as a few people think he is overrated due to his physical play and his height which is shooting him up the boards.

Ole Miss Texan
02-01-2011, 03:29 PM
13. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Anyone who's seen him play knows he stands out on the field not only 6'9" has huge wingspan & surprising footwork to keep would be pass rushers off QB.
http://detroit.sbnation.com/detroit-lions/2011/1/17/1940665/2011-nfl-mock-draft-detroit-lions
This probably isn't the most popular idea... but tell me about Solder a little bit. From what I'm reading, he could be an elite LT that reminds some of Joe Thomas. Supposedly has good feet and can block well for screens and get to the 2nd level.

Thoughts of the potential on this guy at LT for us? Move Brown inside to Guard or RT. Winston stays at RT or moves into G?

I know we all want defense but man, Is Duane Brown the answer at LT for us and do you pass on a potential franchise LT?

rmartin65
02-01-2011, 03:41 PM
This probably isn't the most popular idea... but tell me about Solder a little bit. From what I'm reading, he could be an elite LT that reminds some of Joe Thomas. Supposedly has good feet and can block well for screens and get to the 2nd level.

Thoughts of the potential on this guy at LT for us? Move Brown inside to Guard or RT. Winston stays at RT or moves into G?

I know we all want defense but man, Is Duane Brown the answer at LT for us and do you pass on a potential franchise LT?

I love him as the future LT for the Texans. I dont know if he is 6'9", but 6'7" at the least. He has an incredible frame, could probably get to 330 lbs without losing agility. Great footwork, decent strength, and can play with a nasty attitude (I would like to see it more often though). Because he needs to bulk up and could stand to work on technique, I think it will take a year to be a starter. He is a fringe first that I would love in the case of a trade back, or if he lasts until the Texans' 2nd rounder.

Move Brown to LG, and the line looks pretty decent.

76Texan
02-01-2011, 04:15 PM
I love him as the future LT for the Texans. I dont know if he is 6'9", but 6'7" at the least. He has an incredible frame, could probably get to 330 lbs without losing agility. Great footwork, decent strength, and can play with a nasty attitude (I would like to see it more often though). Because he needs to bulk up and could stand to work on technique, I think it will take a year to be a starter. He is a fringe first that I would love in the case of a trade back, or if he lasts until the Texans' 2nd rounder.

Move Brown to LG, and the line looks pretty decent.

Solder measured in at 6'8-1/4 at the Sr. Bowl.
I think he will be the first or 2nd LT taken, and that's most likely in the first round.
I would be very tempted to trade back and get him if you think he's still there in the eraly twenty.
I would move Brown to RT (he started out playing there for VT) and slide Winston to the inside.
I do believe that arm length is an issue with Winston on the outside.

Ole Miss Texan
02-01-2011, 04:17 PM
I love him as the future LT for the Texans. I dont know if he is 6'9", but 6'7" at the least. He has an incredible frame, could probably get to 330 lbs without losing agility. Great footwork, decent strength, and can play with a nasty attitude (I would like to see it more often though). Because he needs to bulk up and could stand to work on technique, I think it will take a year to be a starter. He is a fringe first that I would love in the case of a trade back, or if he lasts until the Texans' 2nd rounder.

Move Brown to LG, and the line looks pretty decent.

Thanks for the feedback. I havn't really watched him.

One thing that concerned me this past season, it just seemed like Winston got beat by speed more than I ever remembered before. Brown doesn't scream franchise LT to me, but what I do see is a very solid, versatile o-lineman. In that sense, I really don't think he was a reach when we got him. I think Brown is a better pass blocker than Winston. Solder-Brown could make awesome book ends. Push Winston inside to RG, I think he would hold his own in pass blocking and the right side would be stronger in run blocking (possibly). Winston is tall himself and I don't normally like such tall interior o-linemen. Wade Smith seemed to be good over on the left, I don't ever remember screaming his name. Myers definitely improved this season. Caldwell is a great backup, I still really want him to work out at Center though. But I'm actually a fan of Myers.

Just thinking outloud. Trade down for him would be enticing. Still prefer a defensive stud though.

76Texan
02-01-2011, 04:23 PM
I think 76 posted something about him based on tapes and he doesn't seem to immpressed with Smith. He could be right as a few people think he is overrated due to his physical play and his height which is shooting him up the boards.

Oh no, that was Prince Amukamara that I think was overrated.
I like Smith alright. I just wanted to study him a little more (I've only been concentrating on him in two games: Mizzou & Georgia).
I'm not at all surprised somebody think he's the best corner prospect in this draft.
If you watch him play against AJ Green, you would tend to agree.
Green tallied 7 catches for 119 yds and 2 TDs in that game, none on Smith's watch.
Smith prevented two highly possible TD throws to Green and dissuade the QB to throw that way two or three other times.
(Not that I think it's a good idea to have single coverage on Green, no matter how fun it was to watch that match-up.)

beerlover
02-01-2011, 04:32 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I havn't really watched him.

One thing that concerned me this past season, it just seemed like Winston got beat by speed more than I ever remembered before. Brown doesn't scream franchise LT to me, but what I do see is a very solid, versatile o-lineman. In that sense, I really don't think he was a reach when we got him. I think Brown is a better pass blocker than Winston. Solder-Brown could make awesome book ends. Push Winston inside to RG, I think he would hold his own in pass blocking and the right side would be stronger in run blocking (possibly). Winston is tall himself and I don't normally like such tall interior o-linemen. Wade Smith seemed to be good over on the left, I don't ever remember screaming his name. Myers definitely improved this season. Caldwell is a great backup, I still really want him to work out at Center though. But I'm actually a fan of Myers.

Just thinking outloud. Trade down for him would be enticing. Still prefer a defensive stud though.

I doubt Solder is a good fit for Texans. Derek Sherrod would fit seamless in Texans ZBS. We did have him rated much higher originally but bumped him down later in first round. He is much more mobile & can reach the second level only 6053 305 his ability to move in space will be showcased @ the combine. played against some tough competition in SEC @ Mississippi State.

Texan4Ever
02-01-2011, 06:28 PM
Oh no, that was Prince Amukamara that I think was overrated.
I like Smith alright. I just wanted to study him a little more (I've only been concentrating on him in two games: Mizzou & Georgia).
I'm not at all surprised somebody think he's the best corner prospect in this draft.
If you watch him play against AJ Green, you would tend to agree.
Green tallied 7 catches for 119 yds and 2 TDs in that game, none on Smith's watch.
Smith prevented two highly possible TD throws to Green and dissuade the QB to throw that way two or three other times.
(Not that I think it's a good idea to have single coverage on Green, no matter how fun it was to watch that match-up.)


Oh ok, Smith is drawing my attention because of his height and he sorrta resembles Aso's play but he seems to be a bit more physical.

76Texan
02-02-2011, 06:46 PM
I doubt Solder is a good fit for Texans. Derek Sherrod would fit seamless in Texans ZBS. We did have him rated much higher originally but bumped him down later in first round. He is much more mobile & can reach the second level only 6053 305 his ability to move in space will be showcased @ the combine. played against some tough competition in SEC @ Mississippi State.

Well, BL, I just finished watching the third Colorado game (this one is against OU), and I would say that Solder is a perfect fit for the Texans.
The Buffaloes played a mix of ZBS and power (mostly ZBS), and I saw Solder made a lot of blocks that D.Brown did.
- He went to the second level to take on the LBs several times.
- One remarkable block is when he reached to the right (play side) to cut block the DT (not the DE); he then get up quickly to block the weak side safety that came down to support the run.
- He pulled all the way to the right side once.
- One time they placed the TE on his side; Solder would pull to the outside and went on to block the LB in for the outside run.
- Another excellent play was when he pass blocked on the DE, then quickly switched to the outside to take on the rushing OLB.

I'm thinking, at the moment, that he's the #1 tackle in this draft.

76Texan
02-02-2011, 06:50 PM
Oh ok, Smith is drawing my attention because of his height and he sorrta resembles Aso's play but he seems to be a bit more physical.

As I mentioned, I just watched the Colorado/OU game.
Once again, Smith showed that he's the complete package.

He has size, speed, phisicality, loose hips, good burst, good techniques.
He knows how to locate the ball so he can put a hand on the receiver without being called PI.
He turns and runs smoothly, mirroring the deep routes well.
He plays the cloud technique well in run support.
He will pursues the run to the other side of the field.
He can come in quickly on a corner blitz.

If his plays mirror the 3 games that I have watched so far, I think I would have to put him as the #1 rated CB in this draft.

Man, Olemiss, I want badly to have Smith and Solder both for the Texans.

kiwitexansfan
02-02-2011, 08:08 PM
Give me Smith at #11, or if he does shoot up hopefully Prince might fall down to us. He would be lights out with good safety protection in the cover 2.

beerlover
02-02-2011, 08:22 PM
Well, BL, I just finished watching the third Colorado game (this one is against OU), and I would say that Solder is a perfect fit for the Texans.
The Buffaloes played a mix of ZBS and power (mostly ZBS), and I saw Solder made a lot of blocks that D.Brown did.
- He went to the second level to take on the LBs several times.
- One remarkable block is when he reached to the right (play side) to cut block the DT (not the DE); he then get up quickly to block the weak side safety that came down to support the run.
- He pulled all the way to the right side once.
- One time they placed the TE on his side; Solder would pull to the outside and went on to block the LB in for the outside run.
- Another excellent play was when he pass blocked on the DE, then quickly switched to the outside to take on the rushing OLB.

I'm thinking, at the moment, that he's the #1 tackle in this draft.


with all due respect I didn't like what I saw @ the Senior Bowl. Against better competition he lost his base & was easily disengaged with quicker/stronger DE unobstructed to the QB. In short he would get Schaub killed. He needs to increase his core strength & fill into his frame which will take a year or two, then maybe you really got something but in regards to the Texans now he would be a mistake, IMO.

kiwitexansfan
02-02-2011, 11:22 PM
with all due respect I didn't like what I saw @ the Senior Bowl. Against better competition he lost his base & was easily disengaged with quicker/stronger DE unobstructed to the QB. In short he would get Schaub killed. He needs to increase his core strength & fill into his frame which will take a year or two, then maybe you really got something but in regards to the Texans now he would be a mistake, IMO.

I heard the same thing.

I believe it may have been Kerrigan but someone made Solder their mummy dog.

76Texan
02-02-2011, 11:33 PM
with all due respect I didn't like what I saw @ the Senior Bowl. Against better competition he lost his base & was easily disengaged with quicker/stronger DE unobstructed to the QB. In short he would get Schaub killed. He needs to increase his core strength & fill into his frame which will take a year or two, then maybe you really got something but in regards to the Texans now he would be a mistake, IMO.

You might have mistaken him with Castonzo. They look similar, especially with that gold helmet.

I counted Solder with one bad play (that he was beaten to the inside by Acho 'cause he played too high) and two subpar plays (one to the inside but it took a little while and the QB scramble up the pocket, and one he was pushed close to the QB who had made a completion - this one probably shouldn't count as a subpar play)
.
Castonzo was involved in at least 4 bad plays.
Got pushed into the QB, forcing poor throws and on one he pulled too far to the right and completely missed the defender who came in for a tackle in the backfield.
There was also a subpar play where he got beat to the inside, but the QB rolled to the other side.

Sherrod was in for 5 bad plays and a couple of subpar plays.
Of the 5 bad plays, 3 were in the passing game (getting pushed in to the QB forcing hurried/poor throws) and two in the running game (one where he let the DT got around him near the goal line to stop the RB for no gain, and one where he completely missed the outside defender, letting him pursue the back side and take away the cut back lane.)

I dindn't wacth Carpenter closely (but there was at least one bad play) since I've already known he was quite inconsistent at Bama the last two years (I do watch a lot of Bama games.)

I didn't watch Carimi either, 'cause he played RT.

As far as competition is concerned.
Of the games I watched, OU and Georgia have players (DEs and LBs) that will be drafted this year and some will be drafted next year.
Jeremy Beal, Justin Houston, Travis Lewis, Akeem Dent to name a few.
Some may be UDFAs because they are close to NFL talent level.

If I have time, I may watch him in action against Jordan (Cali), Clayborn and Ballard (Iowa), Piere Allen (Nebraska), Aldon Smith (Mizzou).
But I suspect he got good grades due to the fact that he can play against those guys anyway.

76Texan
02-04-2011, 04:45 PM
OK, so I took a look at a couple more games:
California in week 2 ad Nebraska in the last week of the regular season.

In the California game (just as in the game against against Colorado St in week 1) he looked suspected at times.
It was due to him playing high.

However, Jordan couldn't do anything against him.
But Solder had quite a bit of difficulties against Mychal Kendricks, the OLB (giving up 1-1/2 sack and one pressure that was not recorded in the official ncaa stat site - I have found that what I observe on the field has not been the same as whatever the official site recorded at times.)

I guess we need to put a watch on this guy (Kendricks) for next year (he totalled 8-1/2 sacks for the year.)

Against Nebraska, he pretty much controlled the left side.
He did very well against Georgia and OU as I've already mentioned.
I don't see him having problem on the second level at all.

However, I will admit that due to his natural height, he might have problem with the quickness and speed in the NFL. They can set him up with an outside move and come back with an inside move that may give him problem.
(But perhaps it can be helped with whatever they mean by the tackle needing to overset or underset depending on guard play on different blocking scheme?!?)

beerlover
02-04-2011, 05:06 PM
I appreciate all the time you spend reviewing film. I'm just saying one of the scouting services I subscribe to rates Solder #50th overall & 3rd overall OT prospect. Just from reading your reports the common theme seems to be he struggles with speed inside, this is going to be a problem in the NFL don't you agree? Look I can see investing a first round pick on the position but not to develop, think this is what the Texans saw in Bulter, needed to increase his core strength & refine his tools. Great frame, great attitude & work ethic Nate will surely succeed in the league if he can avoid injury & back pains like other tall LT's see Marcus McNeill, whom the Texans passed on, drafted by San Diego, 2nd rd. 50th overall.

kiwitexansfan
02-04-2011, 05:32 PM
Against Nebraska, he pretty much controlled the left side.

FWIW Nebraska's scheme doesn't emphasise outside pass rush from the DE's so you would expect Solder to look like he did good against them.

76Texan
02-05-2011, 01:14 AM
I appreciate all the time you spend reviewing film. I'm just saying one of the scouting services I subscribe to rates Solder #50th overall & 3rd overall OT prospect. Just from reading your reports the common theme seems to be he struggles with speed inside, this is going to be a problem in the NFL don't you agree? Look I can see investing a first round pick on the position but not to develop, think this is what the Texans saw in Bulter, needed to increase his core strength & refine his tools. Great frame, great attitude & work ethic Nate will surely succeed in the league if he can avoid injury & back pains like other tall LT's see Marcus McNeill, whom the Texans passed on, drafted by San Diego, 2nd rd. 50th overall.

What about Sebastian Vollmer who measured in at 6'8 and 314 lbs on his pro day.
He turns out to be a very good RT for the Pats.
I've mentioned before that he also had a heck of a game at LT against Freeney (he played LT when Matt Light was out against Denver in week 5 - 09, and started 5 more games at LT). After that, he claimed the starting spot at RT ever since.
He's a kid who played for the Cougars that I thought the Texans should have seriously looked at. (What a value at #58).

I'm curious as to who the scouting service rate at #1 & 2 (must be Carimi and Castonzo)??? But these two guys are about as tall.
Or is it Sherrod and Tyrod Smith??? (I don't dislike these two guys; I just don't like them as much from a couple of games I've watched - maybe more than 2.)

As far as starting, I disagree a little bit, as I din't think the Texans should have started Duane Brown right away.
Now, you have known that I rated Brown in the early 2nd round, but then I had to agreed that he's also the #8 tackle on the board, and if all the others were gone, and the Chargers coming up, I can see why the Texans took him at his spot (I think it was either your or badboy who pointed this out to me.)

I like Solder better than Brown as a prospect.
Back then I did say that Brown sometimes had the same problem that Solder has now.
As a prospect, Brown has a slight edge over Solder in the running game (due to his overall quickness and agility.)
But I can see that Solder is much stronger and can dominate a defender.
And he's really long; once he got all the techniques down, his chance to latch onto the defenders should increase; and once he latches on, we know it's going to be quite difficult for the defender to disengage.
Also, with his low body fat count, it's quite possible for him to add on even more muscle. I see that as a plus over Brown.

Even so, I wouldn't mind at all for him to sit and watch a few games, then play every third series (with Winston sliding into the Guard spot.)
Winston is a vet and a pro; he should be able to handle that.
Or we could start the season with Winston at RG; Butler at RT and Solder alternating every third series.
It's a long shot anyway, since it's highly likely that the Texans won't try to fix something that ain't broken.

At any rate, I haven't really study them all yet so it's still fluid right now.
For example, I haven't watched the drills at the senior bowl practice - I only glossed over it.
I've seen plenty of Castonzo in his soph year, and some in both his junior and senior year. He kinda dissappoint me his senior year (maybe he got some minor health issues?)
I've seen plenty of Carimi his junior year (when I studied Graham) and a couple games this year.

76Texan
02-05-2011, 01:30 AM
FWIW Nebraska's scheme doesn't emphasise outside pass rush from the DE's so you would expect Solder to look like he did good against them.

OK, I agree.
The right side of the Cornhuskers was not the best on the front four;
the guys over there were young (Meredith - who was injured during the game and Williams; then Randle is just a Fr).

However, Solder did slip out on the LBs on occasions, and he also slid over on a blitz or two (I think there was at least one corner or safety blitz)

Again, your point is taken.

beerlover
02-05-2011, 12:39 PM
What about Sebastian Vollmer who measured in at 6'8 and 314 lbs on his pro day.
He turns out to be a very good RT for the Pats.
I've mentioned before that he also had a heck of a game at LT against Freeney (he played LT when Matt Light was out against Denver in week 5 - 09, and started 5 more games at LT). After that, he claimed the starting spot at RT ever since.
He's a kid who played for the Cougars that I thought the Texans should have seriously looked at. (What a value at #58). Agree totally

As far as starting, I disagree a little bit, as I din't think the Texans should have started Duane Brown right away. Desperation move by Texans
Now, you have known that I rated Brown in the early 2nd round, but then I had to agreed that he's also the #8 tackle on the board, and if all the others were gone, and the Chargers coming up, I can see why the Texans took him at his spot (I think it was either your or badboy who pointed this out to me.) early to mid second, market need drove up value

I like Solder better than Brown as a prospect. Solder is a better fit for most schemes, while Brown is best suited for ZBS
Back then I did say that Brown sometimes had the same problem that Solder has now.
As a prospect, Brown has a slight edge over Solder in the running game (due to his overall quickness and agility.)
But I can see that Solder is much stronger and can dominate a defender. this is the point I disagree with, Solder doesn't dominate or pancake defender, he's not nasty, will need to finish off blocks otherwise will get beaten on 2nd/3rd effort
And he's really long; once he got all the techniques down, his chance to latch onto the defenders should increase; and once he latches on, we know it's going to be quite difficult for the defender to disengage.
Also, with his low body fat count, it's quite possible for him to add on even more muscle. I see that as a plus over Brown. I agree his upside is much higher


I'm 100% with you concerning Sebastian Vollmer & Duane Brown. So what is fair value? one is a steal the other a reach but in the overview of entire draft board they balance out & are an example how the strong fed off mistakes of the weak.

Clearly contained in this BIG BOARD thread, it is noted Nate Solder as highest rated OT in the draft class @ #13. Maybe we, as a group, feel the need to reopen the board & make some adjustments? Clearly Nate could be bumped up higher as some like Stephen Paea have fallen (surgery) just one example, plus reflecting ascending value of Von Miller who most feel is not only top 10 material but could be selected by Arizona #5.

Here is our Big Board with just a few updates (biggest movers Cam Jordon/Von Miller). see what you think & we'll tweak it a bit I think it's time, been almost two months exactly from when we started. Thank You

1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280

2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298

3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222

4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

5. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243 previous Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235

6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306

7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285 previous - J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290

10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220

11. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315 previous - Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311

12. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235- previous -Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 243

13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290 previous - Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315

14. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285

15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255

16. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263

19. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

20. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260

21. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250

22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238

23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308

24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288

26. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260

27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310

28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305

30. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 311 previous - Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285

31. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230

32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295

76Texan
02-05-2011, 03:47 PM
(1) I only think that Solder is the #1 LT prospect in this class; I'm not sure where he should be as a pick on the whole board. That part can be adjusted according to whether there is a need among all the NFL teams.
With the runs on tackles the last few year, it's possible than OT is not as highly regarded as recent years.

(2) The more I watched LSU, the more Nevis jumped out at me, whether at NT in the 4-3 or the 3-4 or DE in either scheme. He looks pretty nasty in most games, and he always do a lot of things every game. He seems to be even more consistent than Dareus.
At least he needs to be moved up above Pouncey, because he dominated Pouncey most every time, and never once lost the individual battle (I don't think.) In that game (Bama) they needed to double team him often (as well as in each game that I've watched so far.) Remarkably, he held off the double team really well. I was very impressed with him. He's consistently in the opponent's backfield; I'm thinking he's a very good fit for the one-gap scheme that Wade Phillips runs.

76Texan
02-05-2011, 04:05 PM
Also, noted that Julio Jones beat Peterson in their matchup both last year and this year.
While the announcer (in this year's game) indicated that last year, Jones did not have any catch against Peterson, it wasn't true.
Peterson was called for PI on one pass.
Peterson got away with PI on one pass.
There was one more instance but I suddenly forgot (just rewatched it last night late - couldn't sleep much but a bit sleepy by the time I wanted to take note.)

In this year game, I can't remember exactly the number, but Jones got either 3 or 4 catches over Peterson (short to medium.)
There was also a pass that Peterson mixed up coverage scheme (I'm not a hundred percent sure, 'cause you never know what defense it's supposed to be some time) but the QB missed Jones, who was wide-open in the corner.

I think Peterson broke off a pass, but it was due to the QB being late getting the ball out.

He broke off another pass (almost an INT) as Jones thought McElroy would just throw the ball away as he was chased out of the pocket.

My memory is kind of hazy now, but at any rate, what I'm sure is that Jones won the match-up fair and square both times (even though Peterson put up a good fight both times.)

steelbtexan
02-05-2011, 04:44 PM
Also, noted that Julio Jones beat Peterson in their matchup both last year and this year.
While the announcer (in this year's game) indicated that last year, Jones did not have any catch against Peterson, it wasn't true.
Peterson was called for PI on one pass.
Peterson got away with PI on one pass.
There was one more instance but I suddenly forgot (just rewatched it last night late - couldn't sleep much but a bit sleepy by the time I wanted to take note.)

In this year game, I can't remember exactly the number, but Jones got either 3 or 4 catches over Peterson (short to medium.)
There was also a pass that Peterson mixed up coverage scheme (I'm not a hundred percent sure, 'cause you never know what defense it's supposed to be some time) but the QB missed Jones, who was wide-open in the corner.

I think Peterson broke off a pass, but it was due to the QB being late getting the ball out.

He broke off another pass (almost an INT) as Jones thought McElroy would just throw the ball away as he was chased out of the pocket.

My memory is kind of hazy now, but at any rate, what I'm sure is that Jones won the match-up fair and square both times (even though Peterson put up a good fight both times.)

This is why I'm advocating taking Jones at 11. Jones and AJ would almost complete the offense and if there at 11 would represent BPA.

The Texans reaching to fill needs has been a major contributor to their recent draft failings.

Do you like Nevis in the 2nd rd over Taylor? I haven't studied this as much as you. But give me Taylor over Nevis. Taylors' best yrs are ahead of him and trading up into the bottom of the 1st rd should be an option.

Ndevine7
02-05-2011, 04:46 PM
I would love to trade down and get taylor at the end of the 1st if there was no proven star at pick 11th. This would give us a chance to get more quality picks and totally rehaul this defense. At this point we could get taylor a cb like williams or smith if and they drop and an olb like acho or reed

Doppelganger
02-05-2011, 05:17 PM
I would love to trade down and get taylor at the end of the 1st if there was no proven star at pick 11th. This would give us a chance to get more quality picks and totally rehaul this defense. At this point we could get taylor a cb like williams or smith if and they drop and an olb like acho or reed

At the moment that may be a solid move. However, as time goes along, Taylor may have to be taken at 11 if you want him.

steelbtexan
02-05-2011, 05:28 PM
I checked out Ellis and Powe in the Texas vs the Nation game.

They both look like major upgrades to what is currently on the roster at the NT position.

Powe made a great stop on a goalline stand to win the game. This is something as Texans fans we've heard about. But have never seen. LOL

Texan4Ever
02-05-2011, 07:06 PM
I checked out Ellis and Powe in the Texas vs the Nation game.

They both look like major upgrades to what is currently on the roster at the NT position.

Powe made a great stop on a goalline stand to win the game. This is something as Texans fans we've heard about. But have never seen. LOL



I like Powe as a player but he needs to loose weight and drop down to at least 325-Lbs. Also, we're going to need more then one nose tackle so I would like a combination of guys, some with size and some with speed.

Honoring Earl 34
02-05-2011, 07:14 PM
I like Powe as a player but he needs to loose weight and drop down to at least 325-Lbs. Also, we're going to need more then one nose tackle so I would like a combination of guys, some with size and some with speed.

Man ... Barry Warner just kills Amobi Okoye on the radio . Says he doesn't like contact and that the Texans scouting stinks . He said if Amobi was a player he'd gone in and asked Wade what it takes to be a NT . Then he'd gone to the trainer and dietician to see how to get there .

steelbtexan
02-05-2011, 07:22 PM
OkOye doesn't care he got paid.

JB
02-05-2011, 08:01 PM
Man ... Barry Warner just kills Amobi Okoye on the radio . Says he doesn't like contact and that the Texans scouting stinks . He said if Amobi was a player he'd gone in and asked Wade what it takes to be a NT . Then he'd gone to the trainer and dietician to see how to get there .

That's a pretty dumb statement by Warner. Not that I expect anything else from him.

beerlover
02-05-2011, 11:40 PM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280

2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298

3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222

4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

5. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
As the top rated player coming into the Senior Bowl he aquitted himself nicely displaying his speed, quickness & competitive attitude propelling himself into the top 10.

6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306

7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
Cam made the biggest move on our board was disruptive & for time being solidified himself as the top rated 5 tech DE in a 3-4 scheme.

10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220

11. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Distanced himself from OT group if for no other reason measureables.

12. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Did nothing but is part of a group yet to be defined as elite QB prospects worthy of Top 10 grade.

13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290

14. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260

15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255

16. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Newton moved up because Locker could possibly be less accurate & given the choice of athletic ability we should move forward with Newton.

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Kerrigan is really solid football player, but more of a base 4-3 end still has time to prove otherwise @ combine, pro-days & private workouts.

19. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260

20. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Clayborn is a fine football player but now rates #3 prospect as a 5 tech DE

21. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
see above

22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238

23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308

24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288

26. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310

28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305

30. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337
Taylor made himself some money too @ the Senior Bowl & now is the top rated, highly coveted Nose Tackle in the draft while Stephen Paea DT OSU, damaged his lateral meniscus in his right knee during a practice drill at the Senior Bowl.

31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230

32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295

steelbtexan
02-05-2011, 11:47 PM
After the Sr.Bowl and before the combine. I would have to move Taylor into Paea's spot and Paea into the top of the 2nd rd.

But that's just me and JMHO

Thoughts

beerlover
02-05-2011, 11:51 PM
After the Sr.Bowl and before the combine. I would have to move Taylor into Paea's spot and Paea into the top of the 2nd rd.

But that's just me and JMHO

Thoughts

good catch. see thats what I'm talking bout'

beerlover
02-06-2011, 01:26 PM
bump- need more input/suggestions. made some corrections but thats to be expected its been two months since we started.


1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280

2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298

3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222

4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

5. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
As the top rated player coming into the Senior Bowl he aquitted himself nicely displaying his speed, quickness & competitive attitude propelling himself into the top 10.

6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306

7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
Cam made the biggest move on our board was disruptive & for time being solidified himself as the top rated 5 tech DE in a 3-4 scheme.

10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220

11. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Distanced himself from OT group if for no other reason measureables.

12. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Did nothing but is part of a group yet to be defined as elite QB prospects worthy of Top 10 grade.

13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290

14. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260

15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255

16. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Newton moved up because Locker could possibly be less accurate & given the choice of athletic ability we should move forward with Newton.

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Kerrigan is really solid football player, but more of a base 4-3 end still has time to prove otherwise @ combine, pro-days & private workouts.

19. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260

20. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Clayborn is a fine football player but now rates #3 prospect as a 5 tech DE

21. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
see above

22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238

23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308

24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288

26. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310

28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305

30. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337
Taylor made himself some money too @ the Senior Bowl & now is the top rated, highly coveted Nose Tackle in the draft while Stephen Paea DT OSU, damaged his lateral meniscus in his right knee during a practice drill at the Senior Bowl.

31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230

32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295

Texan4Ever
02-06-2011, 01:56 PM
Here's my Top 15 Big Board so take it for what its worth (subject to change):


1.) Nick Fairley, DT

2.) AJ Green, WR

3.) Patrick Peterson, CB

4.) Von Miller, OLB

Has improved throughout the course of his career
and is a terror off the edge. Needs to add some bulk and become
stronger, but no doubt the potential is there.

5.) Robert Quinn, DE

6.) Julio Jones, WR

Its been said many times that he may
have a better pro career than he did in college. He is
a go-to receiver and is a vertical threat who combines size,
speed, and ball skills into one nice package.

7.) Da’Quan Bowers, DE

8.) Marcell Dareus, DL

9.) Prince Amukamara, CB

10.) Brandon Harris, CB

Harris is a special player IMO and has a knack for being physical
and has good closing speed. If he can learn to grab the INT instead
of batting the ball away, he would dominate just as Joe Haden and
Devin McCourty have this past season.


11.) JJ Watt, DL

12.) Justin Houston, OLB

13.) Akeem Ayers, OLB

14.) Ryan Kerrigan, DE

Ryan did well during the Senior Bowl game and has developed
some pass-rushing moves. Strictly a 4-3 DE IMO but one of the
more consistent DE in this class in terms of overall production
throughout his collegiate career.

15.) Adrian Clayborn, DE

Reminds me of Tyson Jackson (DE LSU/Kansas City Chiefs),
but with off the field issues. Has the physique to hold his own
and make plays but there was a drop off in production last season.

beerlover
02-07-2011, 12:39 AM
good stuff Texan4Ever. Here is sidelineview.com new website rankings 11-20 with quick re-cap in relation to what we have this moment.

http://thesidelineview.com/2011/02/04/top-11-20-best-available-in-the-nfl-draft/

11. Ryan Kerrigan, DE/OLB, Purdue Size: 6’4″ 255 lbs.
little high until proven he is a 3-4 OLB IMO. High motor constant pressure using instincts, timing & reads. lacks natural athletic explosiveness. Lance must have personal crush on Ryan then I think why not Watt, same kind of player but bigger?

12. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB, Missouri Size: 6’5″ 260 lbs.
Relatively un-tested only one solid season, redshirt sophomore draft on potential. 19th on Big Board for that reason.

13. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama Size: 5’11″ 225 lbs.
Ingram is worth the 13th pick but he is a RB, maybe some teams think they can find better value later hurts his stock just a bit, we have him #17.

14. Cameron Jordan, DE, Cal Size: 6’4″ 287 lbs.
Most projections I've seen place him top 10. But Lance was @ the Senior Bowl, versatility to fit both 3-4 or 4-3 end a plus so we have him #9.

15. Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia Size: 6’4″ 260 lbs.
Been trying to move Houston higher, early favorite for Texans #1. We have him #14.

16. Akeem Ayers, OLB, UCLA Size: 6’3″ 255 lbs.
Close again Ayers @ #16.

17. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa Size: 6’4″ 275 lbs.
Glut of 3-4 ends hurts Clayborn, pushing him back to #20.

18. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin Size: 6’6″ 292 lbs.
Could be my own personal bias, just love watching this kid play the game. He is very active, plus strong, natural pass rush instincts, clearly higher 3-4 end than Clayborn in my book #13.

19. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State Size: 6’4″ 287 lbs.
Again another 3-4 end, not sure whats going on here, guess this is the strength of the draft but only one QB & no LT's or DB's? #25

20. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas Size: 6’’7″ 235 lbs.
We have Mallett #22 but where are the rest? I'm not saying one won't be drafted in the Top 10 but our top QB rated is Gabbert #12 & Newton #16.

76Texan
02-08-2011, 01:05 PM
This is why I'm advocating taking Jones at 11. Jones and AJ would almost complete the offense and if there at 11 would represent BPA.

The Texans reaching to fill needs has been a major contributor to their recent draft failings.

Do you like Nevis in the 2nd rd over Taylor? I haven't studied this as much as you. But give me Taylor over Nevis. Taylors' best yrs are ahead of him and trading up into the bottom of the 1st rd should be an option.

Julio Jones will be a bigger stronger Jacoby Jones with better hands, that's for sure!
I know that people talked about him dropping some balls; he didn't do any worse than AJ in this department, from what I can see (and I have watched him play in some 20 plus games.) There are passes that were behind or things of that nature that I noticed once in awhile, even a commentator "expect" him to catch.

Nevis is 100% better than Taylor. I will come back to this in a bit.

Ole Miss Texan
02-08-2011, 01:14 PM
Julio Jones will be a bigger stronger Jacoby Jones with better hands, that's for sure!
I know that people talked about him dropping some balls; he didn't do any worse than AJ in this department, from what I can see (and I have watched him play in some 20 plus games.) There are passes that were behind or things of that nature that I noticed once in awhile, even a commentator "expect" him to catch.

Nevis is 100% better than Taylor. I will come back to this in a bit.

Not sure if you're referring to Julio or Jacoby as far as the dropped passes go. Jacoby makes me facepalm a lot though. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Julio played through this season with a broken bone in his hand. The guy has great size and is TOUGH.

I liked Blackmon more at first b/c he seems to be a more exciting WR to me, but I actually think Julio would be a great fit on this team. An excellent #2 opossite AJ. His physicality is something I think Kubiak would like too.

76Texan
02-08-2011, 01:26 PM
OK, so I studied Taylor against TCU - 3rd game of the season, Texas Tech - 6th game and Okl. St. - 10th game.
These are 3 teams with good passing game; TCU is actually a good running team with a good QB on top of it.
He was a non-factor in all those 3 games.

Taylor did show some flashes here and there, but for the most part, he was inefficient agaisnt these offenses (which is something he can expect to see in the NFL.)

The thing that strikes me is that, as compared with what he showed at the Senior Bowl, he was much heavier in the midsection and ran like it (imagine a huge Donald Duck.)

Not that I was impressed with his showing during the Senior Bowl week.
Honestly, I think people like to see a big NT who can move around, and so they liked what they saw.
If Taylor can keep that weigh then I think he can become a good player in the NFL, once he improves his overall game.
But that red flag (his weigh) somebody has already mentioned needs to be kept in mind if one likes him as a prospect.
He may turn out to be another Frank Okam.

Personally, I don't like him any earlier than our slot in the second round.

(I've seen him in a few other games as well during the season - I follow Robert Griffin, the Baylor QB.)

76Texan
02-08-2011, 01:28 PM
Not sure if you're referring to Julio or Jacoby as far as the dropped passes go. Jacoby makes me facepalm a lot though. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Julio played through this season with a broken bone in his hand. The guy has great size and is TOUGH.

I liked Blackmon more at first b/c he seems to be a more exciting WR to me, but I actually think Julio would be a great fit on this team. An excellent #2 opossite AJ. His physicality is something I think Kubiak would like too.I agree with you.

What I said was that Julio did drop a few catches (I compare him with AJ, who would drop a ball once in awhile.)

Jacoby, on the other hand, dropped a few too many as we all know.

76Texan
02-08-2011, 01:55 PM
Nevis, on the other hand, IMO, fits the 1-gap scheme of Phillips better.
I've watched him some last year.
This year, so far, I've seen him against Miss St., Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas.
(I might have watched the W.Virg and Tennesse games as well during the season.)

He's a contributing factor or a major contibutor in all those games.
He played well against both the run and the pass.
Just by numbers alone, his production is much better than Taylor in most, if not all areas (sacks, tackles for loss, total tackles, QB hurries, forced fumbles, etc.)
And he did it against better competition (compare the two schedules and you will see.)

Beyond the numbers, there are things he does more efficiently than Taylor in the running game that does not show up on the stat sheet.
Let's say, a team can try a run to the right side; Nevis would penetrate that A gap (or push the O-lineman toward the running lane.)
This forces the RB to go wider than he would like, or cut back at a steeper angle.
He can occupy two blockers in this situations (and others), leaving a LB free to get to the RB.

In the passing game, he can put a hand up or he can get close enough to make the QB feel the pressure (besides from the time that he did get close enough to influence the QB in making a poor attempt.)
There were plenty of times in which he forces the QB to scramble around in the pocket. You don't get credit for a QB hurry, but clearly, you've made him taking longer to attempt a pass, during which time, another defender can get to him or influence him to throw a bad ball.
He was clearly miles ahead of Taylor in this part of the game.

To sum it up, I think Nevis might have been a more constant disruptive force in the backfield than Dareus (I haven't seen enough of Fairley to make a comparison.)

steelbtexan
02-08-2011, 02:01 PM
OK, so I studied Taylor against TCU - 3rd game of the season, Texas Tech - 6th game and Okl. St. - 10th game.
These are 3 teams with good passing game; TCU is actually a good running team with a good QB on top of it.
He was a non-factor in all those 3 games.

Taylor did show some flashes here and there, but for the most part, he was inefficient agaisnt these offenses (which is something he can expect to see in the NFL.)

The thing that strikes me is that, as compared with what he showed at the Senior Bowl, he was much heavier in the midsection and ran like it (imagine a huge Donald Duck.)

Not that I was impressed with his showing during the Senior Bowl week.
Honestly, I think people like to see a big NT who can move around, and so they liked what they saw.
If Taylor can keep that weigh then I think he can become a good player in the NFL, once he improves his overall game.
But that red flag (his weigh) somebody has already mentioned needs to be kept in mind if one likes him as a prospect.
He may turn out to be another Frank Okam.

Personally, I don't like him any earlier than our slot in the second round.

(I've seen him in a few other games as well during the season - I follow Robert Griffin, the Baylor QB.)

Thanks for reviewing Taylor.

I saw him against Illinois and his Sr.Bowl practices and Taylor impressed me. If the Texans were to take Taylor they would be gambling that he will be able to keep his weight down. For this reason taking Ellis or Powe in the 3rd would be the safest route.

If you get a chance check out a couple of late NT candidates Chris Neild WVU. Dexter Larimore OSU. They would be really good late rd sleeper candidates.

J.Jones will probably be gone by #11. But I'm thinking how good this offense could be with AJ,JJ and OD as the main receiving corps. It would open up the offense and if you think Foster looked good last yr. Imagine all of the running lanes and mismatches that drafting Julio Jones would create.

This would be the fastest way to become a good team. IMHO

The Gary and Rick could spend the rest of the draft and FA fixing the defense and in a couple of yrs the Texans may become a playoff team.

76Texan
02-08-2011, 02:12 PM
Thanks for reviewing Taylor.

I saw him against Illinois and his Sr.Bowl practices and Taylor impressed me. If the Texans were to take Taylor they would be gambling that he will be able to keep his weight down. For this reason taking Ellis or Powe in the 3rd would be the safest route.

If you get a chance check out a couple of late NT candidates Chris Neild WVU. Dexter Larimore OSU. They would be really good late rd sleeper candidates.

J.Jones will probably be gone by #11. But I'm thinking how good this offense could be with AJ,JJ and OD as the main receiving corps. It would open up the offense and if you think Foster looked good last yr. Imagine all of the running lanes and mismatches that drafting Julio Jones would create.

This would be the fastest way to become a good team. IMHO

The Gary and Rick could spend the rest of the draft and FA fixing the defense and in a couple of yrs the Texans may become a playoff team.

Illinois is a run-oriented team; I imagine that's why Talor looked better.
Still, the QB had the second highest passing yard (for the season) in that game.
He's a 58% QB yet managed 18 of 23 for 78% in that game (which helps raise his percentage to 58%, LOL).

bah007
02-08-2011, 03:15 PM
OK, so I studied Taylor against TCU - 3rd game of the season, Texas Tech - 6th game and Okl. St. - 10th game.
These are 3 teams with good passing game; TCU is actually a good running team with a good QB on top of it.
He was a non-factor in all those 3 games.

Taylor did show some flashes here and there, but for the most part, he was inefficient agaisnt these offenses (which is something he can expect to see in the NFL.)

The thing that strikes me is that, as compared with what he showed at the Senior Bowl, he was much heavier in the midsection and ran like it (imagine a huge Donald Duck.)

Not that I was impressed with his showing during the Senior Bowl week.
Honestly, I think people like to see a big NT who can move around, and so they liked what they saw.
If Taylor can keep that weigh then I think he can become a good player in the NFL, once he improves his overall game.
But that red flag (his weigh) somebody has already mentioned needs to be kept in mind if one likes him as a prospect.
He may turn out to be another Frank Okam.

Personally, I don't like him any earlier than our slot in the second round.

(I've seen him in a few other games as well during the season - I follow Robert Griffin, the Baylor QB.)

Oh you're in trouble now, 76. You have been around here long enough to know that the #1 thing you are not allowed to do in the college football threads is criticize the current NT flavor of the week/month/year.

For the record, I agree with you. I've never seen anything on the field from Taylor that made me think he would turn out to be a great player.

The reason he is so popular here right now is the same reason the highest rated NT is always popular around here. A majority of the fans want a big fat NT in the middle.

I want the best player in the middle, not the biggest player.

Is the guy worth a shot if he falls to our spot in the second? Yea, if he can keep his weight down. But I'm not projecting first round on this guy. There are too many flags and not enough good tape to be worth the risk.

kiwitexansfan
02-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Oh you're in trouble now, 76. You have been around here long enough to know that the #1 thing you are not allowed to do in the college football threads is criticize the current NT flavor of the week/month/year.

For the record, I agree with you. I've never seen anything on the field from Taylor that made me think he would turn out to be a great player.

The reason he is so popular here right now is the same reason the highest rated NT is always popular around here. A majority of the fans want a big fat NT in the middle.

I want the best player in the middle, not the biggest player.

Is the guy worth a shot if he falls to our spot in the second? Yea, if he can keep his weight down. But I'm not projecting first round on this guy. There are too many flags and not enough good tape to be worth the risk.

BUT, BUT, BUT the Senior Bowl....

76Texan
02-09-2011, 12:56 AM
Thanks for reviewing Taylor.

I saw him against Illinois and Taylor impressed me.

I just finished watching that game.
That's the most active I've seen him.
He still didn't do much in the pass rush, but he really looked good in the running game, even on runs to the outside. He gave a lot of effort in pursuit.
He also looked to be "more trim" than in the previous games, but not as trim as in the Senior Bowl.

76Texan
02-09-2011, 01:03 AM
BUT, BUT, BUT the Senior Bowl....

He didn't impress me as first round material in the Senior Bowl, or at anytime for that matter.

I haven't watched all the practices yet, but in the Thurs. session that I saw, I agree, there were a couple of times where he showed something good.
But still, it's practice!

76Texan
02-10-2011, 04:24 PM
Something I found regarding Nevis:

Rob Rang, a senior draft analyst for nfldraftscout.com, rated Nevis before the season as a potential fifth-round pick. Rang now believes Nevis should get taken at least in the second round and may even work his way into the latter part of the first round.

"I don't think there's any question he's been the best senior defensive tackle so far this season," Rang said. "His sophomore and junior seasons, he wasn't a dominant player. He was a productive player, but it was in flashes. Now on a snap-to-snap basis, he's a force to be reckoned with."

He almost certainly won't get taken as early as Dorsey, who went to the Chiefs with the fifth overall pick in the 2008 draft. Dorsey was regarded as a more physical player and was more consistent from year to year than Nevis.

But even though it took some time for him to reach this level, Nevis' performance this season is offering reminders of his former teammate.

"They have a similar burst," Rang said. "I'd actually argue that Nevis is a step quicker and more explosive off the snap. I don't know if he plays with the same intensity that Dorsey did throughout his career, but the greatest similarity between them is the intensity with which they play, that ability to turn it up a notch. That's what Dorsey was known for at LSU, and that's what Nevis has shown this year."

Texan4Ever
02-10-2011, 04:32 PM
^ Isn't Nevis a bit undersized for a DT? I think he's at around 285-Lbs which is light for a DT IMO.

Also, is it possible for Wade Phillips to want a guy like Stephen Paea as a nose tackle similar to Kyle Williams in Buffalo? Paea is not a big ugly but he is stout at the point of attack and very strong from what I have read.

76Texan
02-10-2011, 07:27 PM
^ Isn't Nevis a bit undersized for a DT? I think he's at around 285-Lbs which is light for a DT IMO.

Also, is it possible for Wade Phillips to want a guy like Stephen Paea as a nose tackle similar to Kyle Williams in Buffalo? Paea is not a big ugly but he is stout at the point of attack and very strong from what I have read.

I don't know what his weight is, but he played as well as anybody against the double team. I must have excellent leverage; it seems like his height (less than 6'1) is a natural advantage for him.
It was not easy for them to him for some reason.
Most of the time, he split the double team anyway.
I was so surprised to see how effective he was in short yardage situation.

And if Phillips want a penetrating NT (which is what Earl Mitchell is), Nevis is 100% better than Mitchell at the same stage in their career.

I haven't seen him lining up against an OT, so I don't how effective he can be as a 3-4 DE, but I think he can do well there.
He's just too quick for those guys!

beerlover
02-10-2011, 10:07 PM
Compare to Okoye-
Mitchell has been playing DT less time but already has NFL experience

76Texan
02-10-2011, 11:17 PM
Compare to Okoye-
Mitchell has been playing DT less time but already has NFL experience

I was only comparing Nevis with Mitchell in their collegiate career.
But it might not be fair to Mitchell, for he lacked the experience.

I like Mitchell when we drafted him. I still like him now; however, I still have concern about him taking the double team.
I'm curious to see whether they're gonna use him at DE or not.

I think this closely describes Nevis as I saw him:
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/9945.html

JCTexan
02-10-2011, 11:28 PM
I don't know what his weight is, but he played as well as anybody against the double team.

Nevis is listed at 285-Lbs on NFLDraftScout.com, which seems a little small to be a 3-4 NT.


I think this closely describes Nevis as I saw him:
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/9945.html

Interesting part of that:

Bottom line: Overall, Nevis is the type of defensive tackle that is going to become a highly productive defensive lineman in the NFL. I am confident that Nevis will become a productive starting defensive tackle in a 4-3 scheme that relies mostly on a one-Gap scheme. Additionally, I believe that Nevis could be good playing defensive end in a 3-4 scheme like the one that San Diego and Pittsburgh play.

So would you like for the Texans to take him as a 3-4 DE?

76Texan
02-10-2011, 11:29 PM
Thanks for reviewing Taylor.

If you get a chance check out a couple of late NT candidates Chris Neild WVU. Dexter Larimore OSU. They would be really good late rd sleeper candidates.

I've seen Neild in 3 games while watching the safety Robert Sands but did not pay close attention.
I've heard his names called out, and I've seen some good plays.

I just finished watching another game (but it was against a weakling: UNLV) and the first half of the USF game (I've seen them listed the C Sampson as probably a late round prospect.)

Neild plays a 2-gap NT in their 3-4
Good base; pretty strong; move his feet well; uses his hands very well.

I'm gonna watched some more of him and also go back to the Senior Bowl to check him out, as well as re-reviewing the other NTs.

beerlover
02-10-2011, 11:31 PM
I was only comparing Nevis with Mitchell in their collegiate career.
But it might not be fair to Mitchell, for he lacked the experience.

I like Mitchell when we drafted him. I still like him now; however, I still have concerIn about him taking the double team.
I'm curious to see whether they're gonna use him at DE or not.

I think this closely describes Nevis as I saw him:
http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/players/9945.html

Earl is like a transformer. He only played DT two years, in College, formerly a TE, but played behind Gronkowski. I'm told he's still growing, very toned & could easily add 10-20 lbs. which puts him in 315 area w/o losing explosiveness. For everyone bashing Texans, favorite past time for some, Earl may wind up worth that weight in gold

76Texan
02-10-2011, 11:33 PM
Nevis is listed at 285-Lbs on NFLDraftScout.com, which seems a little small to be a 3-4 NT.

So would you like for the Texans to take him as a 3-4 DE?

I've suggested that may be he can be tried at DE for the Texans, even though I don't see him having problem playing at the nose.

I know that his LSU Bio also listed him at 285.
CDS listed him at 294.
I don't know what his real weigth is, but he plays BIG.

76Texan
02-10-2011, 11:36 PM
Earl is like a transformer. He only played DT two years, in College, formerly a TE, but played behind Gronkowski. I'm told he's still growing, very toned & could easily add 10-20 lbs. which puts him in 315 area w/o losing explosiveness. For everyone bashing Texans, favorite past time for some, Earl may wind up worth that weight in gold

There's that potential for sure.
You know that I've been singing him from day one and had repeatedly said that I was happy with his weekly performance and his overall season.

76Texan
02-11-2011, 12:07 AM
BTW, both Nevis and Fairley won SEC Defensive Lineman of the week 4 times each.

76Texan
02-12-2011, 07:01 PM
I went back to the Senior Bowl and checked each play that Taylor was in.
The play that he shined in was on the Reed's sack.
Taylor joined in shortly.
He had beaten the C one-one-one as the C got too high on his first step.
Ever heard of Slippery Rock?
Well, that's where the C came from.
To be fair, he won the Gene Upshaw Award for the best offensive lineman in D-II so he should be pretty good.
He could be a good project for some team in the late round?!?

At any rate, Taylor didn't look bad, but he didn't look anywhere near first-round talent either.

As I've said before, he showed some flashes, mostly in the running game during college.
If he can keep that weight in check and improve on his technique and train harder on his aigiilty and quickness, he has a chance to be a good player.
But every time the word potential comes up, I hesitate.
I hate to draft player by emphasizing too much on "potential".
I'd rather have a bunch of guys who are either smart football players or players that play hard all the time (or at least 95% of the time.)

For the same reason, I do not like Peterson at CB or safety early in the first round.
If I'm the GM, I wouldn't draft him at #11 but would take Julio Jones over him for a safer pick.

beerlover
02-14-2011, 02:34 PM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
3. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
5. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
6. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
12. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
13. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
14. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
15. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260
16. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 25516.
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
20. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
21. Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado - 6'2 - 201
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
24. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288
26. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
30. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230
32. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337

Updated Big Board (changes bolded). Biggest jump was Cam Newton, moved up post workout & very positive report from Cornell Gowdy, draftnasty -Let’s cut the BULL****!!! Cam Newton is the best prospect in this year’s NFL Draft! The NFL is a QB driven league and for ANY GM, evaluator, analyst, prognosticator or guru to state that this player is anything but the 1st overall selection is criminal. First of all, Cam is the BEST player on the BEST team in the country. There is NOT a close 2nd! If Sam Bradford can be the 1st overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft after missing pretty much his final season at Oklahoma, Cam should easily be the top choice this year. Sure, Cam plays in a pistol set offensive formation, but how many QB prospects actually play in an NFL style scheme? Jimmy Clausen comes to mind and we see how that has worked out thus far.

There will be questions about his dad and whatever did/didn’t occur in that whole fiasco. Cecil Newton will not take one NFL snap! What dad do you know that does not want the best opportunities for his kid? Archie Manning orchestrated Eli’s trade out of San Diego (I know that wasn’t asking for money, ALLEGEDLY, but in the end, wasn’t it?).

There will be the question of his playing only one year at Auburn. That makes his accomplishments even more impressive! If there is any doubt that this is the best player in this year's NFL Draft, cue up the Kentucky game of 2010. In the 2nd QTR, at precisely the 11:36 mark, Cam is flushed right, while heading into the sideline he is hit by a Kentucky defender while falling backward, parallel to the LOS, he completes a frozen rope 40 yards to Kodi Burns, who is running a crossing route, between the 1 and 8 on Burns’ jersey, to the 10 yard line. This play is reminiscent of “insert favorite action hero here” diving over a bar/counter/sofa while shooting the proverbial bad guy across the room in his chest. Arguably, no NFL QB prospect has made a more dynamic play since Michael Vick shredded Boston College’s defense making all 11 players miss, 10 years ago.

Comments on the aforementioned players are in no way a slight to any of them as players or personally, but merely an illustration of my points. Cam is closer to Josh Freeman as a QB than he is to Vince Young. If your team needs a QB, this is your guy.

Are there risks? Of course! Life is a gamble. Trust me on this one; the teams picking at the top of this year’s draft, DO NOT have this player on their roster! Do not do a disservice to Cam by not making him this year’s top selection. Your job depends on it!

Ole Miss Texan
02-14-2011, 04:05 PM
The way I see it, there's actually a lot of teams in the Top 10 that could use or need a QB.

Carolina - Yes, and a coaching change. Clausen isn't the man.
Denver - Seem set that Tebow is the future
Buffalo - Yes, I'd think they'd want a franchise QB
Cincinnati - Can't trade Carson Palmer before the draft but if they want to go a new direction QB could be a pick.
Arizona - They could use a true franchise QB
Cleveland- Probably not looking for a QB
San Francisco - Yes, and a new coaching change.
Tennessee - Yes, and a new coaching change.
Dallas - No
Washington - Yes
Texans - No
Minnesota - Yes

I really really hope some of these teams decide to take a chance on Newton, Gabbert, et al. Or a trade down opportunity presents itself with the Vikings maybe looking for one.

bah007
02-14-2011, 05:57 PM
The way I see it, there's actually a lot of teams in the Top 10 that could use or need a QB.

Carolina - Yes, and a coaching change. Clausen isn't the man.
Denver - Seem set that Tebow is the future
Buffalo - Yes, I'd think they'd want a franchise QB
Cincinnati - Can't trade Carson Palmer before the draft but if they want to go a new direction QB could be a pick.
Arizona - They could use a true franchise QB
Cleveland- Probably not looking for a QB
San Francisco - Yes, and a new coaching change.
Tennessee - Yes, and a new coaching change.
Dallas - No
Washington - Yes
Texans - No
Minnesota - Yes

I really really hope some of these teams decide to take a chance on Newton, Gabbert, et al. Or a trade down opportunity presents itself with the Vikings maybe looking for one.

Best thing that could happen for us is for one (or two) of those teams to reach on a QB, and push a better player down to us.

beerlover
02-14-2011, 06:41 PM
It was surprising to see who was rated #11 (Prince Amukamara) not a terrible pick for Texans if it follows similar form. would like to see Gabbert move top 10, also that would bump Mr. Jones to #11 or possibly Marcell Dareus/Cam Jordon?

drs23
02-14-2011, 08:05 PM
It was surprising to see who was rated #11 (Prince Amukamara) not a terrible pick for Texans if it follows similar form. would like to see Gabbert move top 10, also that would bump Mr. Jones to #11 or possibly Marcell Dareus/Cam Jordon?

Have seen several mocks that have Dareus available at 11. Most?/many still have him and Fairley interchangable at the one spot. How do you make sense out of any of this at this point in time?

Aside, how much, if any, do you guys think Newton's old man's hurting Cam's career more than helping it? From what I've read/heard he needs to go away and stay away but that ain't gonna happen. You guy's thoughts?

Texan4Ever
02-14-2011, 08:17 PM
Have seen several mocks that have Dareus available at 11. Most?/many still have him and Fairley interchangable at the one spot. How do you make sense out of any of this at this point in time?

Aside, how much, if any, do you guys think Newton's old man's hurting Cam's career more than helping it? From what I've read/heard he needs to go away and stay away but that ain't gonna happen. You guy's thoughts?


I'm not a big Dareus fan and at this point I feel that he is overrated because of his performance in the national championship game against Texas. He is still a first round player but much lower IMO.

Fairley is a solid player but has on the field issues as well as off. He plays dirty at times and I have seen games where he relies more on his sheer power rather than technique and he gets sloppy at times.


Cam Newton's stock might hurt him because rgardless of where he is drafted, the team will throw some big bucks his way. With his father looming over him, problems could arise internally and to me he's not worth the risk or at least in the first round.

I don't see why he will turn out any different than JaMarcus Russel or anyother failed quarterback.

76Texan
02-15-2011, 11:45 AM
Have seen several mocks that have Dareus available at 11. Most?/many still have him and Fairley interchangable at the one spot. How do you make sense out of any of this at this point in time?

Aside, how much, if any, do you guys think Newton's old man's hurting Cam's career more than helping it? From what I've read/heard he needs to go away and stay away but that ain't gonna happen. You guy's thoughts?

Yeah, I think Cam's new man is hurting his career more than he's helping it, but I guess he can't help himself (and I don't think I can blame him for that, being the parent.)

Talent-wise, I think Newton is a top ten pick.
The baggage might pull his draft status down, I've no idea where to.

76Texan
02-15-2011, 11:53 AM
BL, I think it's a lock for me on a few positions:
Bowers as the #1 DE
Fairley as the #1 DT
Newton as the #1 QB
Solder as the #1 OT

Alsmot locked:
McDaniel as the #1 safety

Don't know if I will watch AJ Green, so I'll go ahead and give him the lock at WR.

bah007
02-15-2011, 03:29 PM
BL, I think it's a lock for me on a few positions:
Bowers as the #1 DE
Fairley as the #1 DT
Newton as the #1 QB
Solder as the #1 OT

Alsmot locked:
McDaniel as the #1 safety

Don't know if I will watch AJ Green, so I'll go ahead and give him the lock at WR.

If we're talking who will get drafted first:
QB - Newton
HB - Ingram
WR - Green
TE - Rudolph
OT - Solder
OG - Pouncey
DE - Bowers
DT - Fairley
OLB - Miller
ILB - Wilson
CB - Peterson
S - Carter (FS)


If we're talking who will end up the best player when it's all said and done:
QB - Gabbert (but only if he gets to sit for a year or two first)
HB - Leshoure
WR - Green
TE - Rudolph
OT - Carimi
OG - Danny Watkins (age is an issue though)
DE - Jordan
DT - Liuget
OLB - Houston
ILB - Wilson
CB - Peterson
S - Deunta Williams (FS)

TexansSeminole
02-16-2011, 07:40 PM
If we're talking who will get drafted first:
QB - Newton
HB - Ingram
WR - Green
TE - Rudolph
OT - Solder
OG - Pouncey
DE - Bowers
DT - Fairley
OLB - Miller
ILB - Wilson
CB - Peterson
S - Carter (FS)


If we're talking who will end up the best player when it's all said and done:
QB - Gabbert (but only if he gets to sit for a year or two first)
HB - Leshoure
WR - Green
TE - Rudolph
OT - Carimi
OG - Danny Watkins (age is an issue though)
DE - Jordan
DT - Liuget
OLB - Houston
ILB - Wilson
CB - Peterson
S - Deunta Williams (FS)


You really think Jordan will be better than Bowers? I think Bowers is the real deal at DE.

bah007
02-16-2011, 08:15 PM
You really think Jordan will be better than Bowers? I think Bowers is the real deal at DE.

Bowers may retire with more career sacks but I think Jordan will make a better 34 DE than Bowers will a 43 DE.

Bowers' production this year was off the charts. No doubt about it. But where was it the last two years?

He has all the physical tools in the world. I'll admit that. But I also think that Jordan is close in terms of talent, and far ahead in the mental part of the game.

Nawzer
02-18-2011, 02:59 PM
The latest Bleacher Report has us taking Akeem Ayers-LB, UCLA in the first round. Anyone know anything about this guy? This is the first time I've heard of him. They had Von Miller go at no.5 to the Cardinals.

beerlover
02-18-2011, 05:08 PM
The latest Bleacher Report has us taking Akeem Ayers-LB, UCLA in the first round. Anyone know anything about this guy? This is the first time I've heard of him. They had Von Miller go at no.5 to the Cardinals.

considered one of the more well rounded linebackers in the draft by most but I think he is best suited to play WILL in a 4-3. Strength is coverage & sideline to sideline speed.

beerlover
02-20-2011, 01:31 PM
slow week before the combine so had some time to review our draft board. see what you think, input welcome as always. Bold denotes players who moved higher (for instance for the first time in weeks bumped Bowers from top of board- http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/daquan-bowers-preparing-for-combine-following-surgery/ as per red highlighting players moved down.

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
6. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
12. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
14. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
15. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
16. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260
20. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
21. Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado - 6'2 - 201
22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
23. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288
24. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
25. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
26. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
30. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230
32. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337

Texan4Ever
02-20-2011, 05:00 PM
considered one of the more well rounded linebackers in the draft by most but I think he is best suited to play WILL in a 4-3. Strength is coverage & sideline to sideline speed.


He doesn't seem to be a big impact player. The games I have watched at least, he looks like a solid player but raw. Me thinks he could play in a 3-4 given his size and height (6'4" 255-Lbs), perhaps ILB?

mussop
02-25-2011, 09:45 PM
1. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280

2. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298

3. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222

4. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212

5. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
As the top rated player coming into the Senior Bowl he aquitted himself nicely displaying his speed, quickness & competitive attitude propelling himself into the top 10.

6. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306

7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268

8. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205

9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
Cam made the biggest move on our board was disruptive & for time being solidified himself as the top rated 5 tech DE in a 3-4 scheme.

10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220

11. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Distanced himself from OT group if for no other reason measureables.

12. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Did nothing but is part of a group yet to be defined as elite QB prospects worthy of Top 10 grade.

13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290

14. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260

15. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255

16. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
Newton moved up because Locker could possibly be less accurate & given the choice of athletic ability we should move forward with Newton.

17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215

18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Kerrigan is really solid football player, but more of a base 4-3 end still has time to prove otherwise @ combine, pro-days & private workouts.

19. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260

20. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Clayborn is a fine football player but now rates #3 prospect as a 5 tech DE

21. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
see above

22. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238

23. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308

24. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195

25. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288

26. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310

28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285

29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305

30. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337
Taylor made himself some money too @ the Senior Bowl & now is the top rated, highly coveted Nose Tackle in the draft while Stephen Paea DT OSU, damaged his lateral meniscus in his right knee during a practice drill at the Senior Bowl.

31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230

32. Corey Liuget, DT, Illinois - 6'3 - 295

Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

You need to move this guy way up after weighing in at the combine. Could be in top 10 after combine.

beerlover
02-25-2011, 10:52 PM
Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290

You need to move this guy way up after weighing in at the combine. Could be in top 10 after combine.

agreed :handshake:

beerlover
02-25-2011, 10:59 PM
slow week before the combine so had some time to review our draft board. see what you think, input welcome as always. Bold denotes players who moved higher (for instance for the first time in weeks bumped Bowers from top of board- http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/daquan-bowers-preparing-for-combine-following-surgery/ as per red highlighting players moved down.

1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
3. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'6 - 250
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
5. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
6. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3
7. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
8. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
9. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 285
10. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
11. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
12. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'6 - 290
13. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
14 . Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
15. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
16. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
17. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'10 - 215
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
19. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 260
20. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
21. Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado - 6'2 - 201
22. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
23. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'5 - 288
24. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
25. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
26. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
27. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
28. Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
29. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 305
30. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
31. Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 230
32. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 337

modified 2/25 Tyron Smith replaced Nate Solder as top OT prospect & dropped Mallet from 22-25.

Lucky
02-25-2011, 11:00 PM
It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

beerlover
02-25-2011, 11:51 PM
It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

Huge difference between 280 & 307. Evidently he gave up Egg McMuffins for Healthy Omelette's http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/25/uscs-smith-ditches-egg-mcmuffins-for-omelettes/

Very athletic & fluid in games I've watched, with added bulk questions are erased if he can set the edge & continue to drive opponents off the line next level. He very well might be the Cowboys pick #9 because they need a RT.

As he checks out with more impressive numbers his stock could continue to rise. This is why they have a combine that tests & measures prospects, thus keeping draft boards fluid.

beerlover
02-26-2011, 01:34 AM
I welcome input, so far feedback has been less than needed to make this truly the group effort intended, so when somebody does take the time to add their input I have no problem making changes as facts dictate. There are several other changes that need to be made so more input needed as the combine continues.

TexansSeminole
02-26-2011, 06:18 PM
It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

:spit:

76Texan
02-26-2011, 06:50 PM
:spit:

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny!

76Texan
02-26-2011, 06:55 PM
It used to be that a prospect would need to run a fast 40 in order to move up on a draftnik's board. Now, all a guy has to do is weigh in.

Makes me wonder how he "beefed up" to weigh in (and bench pressed) then pulled out of the combine, citing knee surgery.

It's kind of a red flag to me.

How did he play between 280 and 290 and then weigh in at 307 for the combine just to bench press???

76Texan
02-26-2011, 07:05 PM
modified 2/25 Tyron Smith replaced Nate Solder as top OT prospect

I'm totally against this.
I don't know hos he's going to play at 307 so I cannot project that at all.

As previously stated, IMO, I feel like Peterson is not even worth top 15 and Amukamara should not even be in the first round.

I'm also not comfortable with Harris and Taylor in the first round for different reasons.

Harris had fewer good tapes and more bad tapes than Jackson or McCourty.

Taylor lacks too much in the pass rush department to be projected so high.
In the old NFL where the running game was still much in play, he would stand a better chance; but in today's NFL, investing first round dollar in Taylor is very risky, IMHO.

beerlover
02-26-2011, 08:27 PM
Solder is a terrific prospect, may be the best in class, but that is a projection based of measureables. He does not dominate on tape to me more like flashes so the team who drafts him needs to be patient developing him. Not even sure if he should start immediately?

Anybody who didn't know Tyron got scoped has not been paying attention. Pretty standard procedure for lineman to clean up. Smart move, means he's being handled, taking care of himself & will payoff whoever drafts him.

We will see about Taylor. I think he will surprise people.

Thanks for the feedback.

Lucky
02-27-2011, 10:56 AM
How did he play between 280 and 290 and then weigh in at 307 for the combine just to bench press???
Smith will have to be weighed again, prior to running and working out at his pro day. Will Smith be able to keep his weight up? My guess is yes, because he has the frame for it.

It's rare that a college o-lineman comes into the league as a complete player. Joe Thomas and Jake Long, maybe. A guy like Solder will need coaching, for sure. And an offseason without the rookie camps and mini camps will hurt players like him. But does he have the measurables the previous top 10 LT picks had? Yes, he does.

Smith, Solder, and Julio Jones' combines have really improved or solidified their stock. That bodes well for the Texans to have a top defender drop to them at #11.

beerlover
02-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Smith will have to be weighed again, prior to running and working out at his pro day. Will Smith be able to keep his weight up? My guess is yes, because he has the frame for it.

It's rare that a college o-lineman comes into the league as a complete player. Joe Thomas and Jake Long, maybe. A guy like Solder will need coaching, for sure. And an offseason without the rookie camps and mini camps will hurt players like him. But does he have the measurables the previous top 10 LT picks had? Yes, he does.

Smith, Solder, and Julio Jones' combines have really improved or solidified their stock. That bodes well for the Texans to have a top defender drop to them at #11.

I would agree with this. However, if a team does need a starter @ LT day one then most ready, can't bust prospect is Anthony Castonzo. He reminds me for some reason of Jared Allen, his motor, toughness & determination.

beerlover
03-07-2011, 12:25 AM
Re-worked our Big Board. Tell me what you guys think about movement/adjustments. Blue represents rising value. Red signifies drop. unchanged in black.


1. Nick Fairley, Auburn, (Jr.), 6-4, 298
Needs to be up for discussion. He looks more like a 5 technique DE after watching him in drills & compared to the thicker DT's.
http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/27782334
2. Patrick Peterson, DB, LSU - 6'1 - 222
Elite. Nothing changed really, looked the part.
3. Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama - 6'3 - 306
Demise greatly exaggerated, showed up @ the combine & looked the part of neighborhood bully. Fluid in all his drills.
4. Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson - 6'4 - 280
His big day is coming (Pro-Day) still rehabbing.
5. A.J. Green, WR, Georgia - 6'4 - 212
Living on game film. fluid. But lacks long speed I thought ran only 4.48. I like him even less than Julio after the combine but its your guys call?
6. Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina - 6'5 - 268
Biggie sized Von Miller, looked smooth & fluid in drills
7. Julio Jones, WR, Alabama - 6'4 - 220
Inched way closer to AJ for top WR ranking, just killed it, on a broken foot. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/14781009/former-tide-wr-jones-undergoes-surgery-on-left-foot
8. Cameron Jordan - DE, California - 6'4 - 287
Solid, unbelievable measurable for position (5 tech DE) better character, bloodlines than Fariley.
9. Cameron Newton, QB, Auburn - 6'5 - 248
lots & lots of baggage. hurt himself in throwing drills @ combine
10. Von Miller, DE, Texas A&M - 6'3 - 246
Good forty time (4.42) but thought his technique work in drills showed some holes, lacks patience. Fools Gold closer to #11.
11. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri, (Jr.), - 6'5 - 235
Actually helped himself by not throwing @ combine compared to others who did & he ran a surprising 4.62 forty. In the end he may be the Texans best shot to move up & dislodge a defensive player down?
12. Tyron Smith, OT USC - 6'6 - 290
Bigger than advertised. 37" freaking long arms, natural knee bender w/surprising strength & mobility. Another canidate for Top 10 thus bumping another defensive prospect down for Texans.
13. J.J. Watt, DE/DT, Wisconsin - 6'5 - 290
Ran great, performed well in drills, body looks pumped up.
14. Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska - 6'1 - 205
Not the second best CB in drills. ran great forty (4.43) however, little too stiff in hips, plays high.
15. Aldon Smith, DE/OLB Missouri - 6'5 - 260
Looks the part of an elite pass rusher.
16. Anthony Costanzo – OT, Boston College - 6'7 - 308
Ready to plug-in starting line-up. Great combine, tough.
17. Nate Solder, OT, Colorado - 6'9 - 315
Know the story once LT's come off board they go in bunches. measured up to billing.
18. Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue - 6'4 - 263
Looked good in drills showed he can stand-up.
19. Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa - 6'4 - 285
Looked fast/powerful in drills, can provide edge rush, ran 4.83.
20. Akeem Ayers, LB, UCLA - 6'4 - 255
Dropped with slow forty (4.80). Poor technique with start (lost a couple tenths first 10 yards) can improve easy with coaching, once out of blocks he looked fast & smooth. Football skills exhibited in drills superior to Von Miller.
21. Brandon Harris, CB, Miami - 5'11 - 195
Ran only 4.53 but looked like the best CB of group in drill work. Fluid, good bender that picks up quick instruction.
22. Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois - 6'4 - 250
Welcome addition to Big Board. WOW in drills, his stock could keep rising.
http://www.scoresreport.com/2011/02/28/how-worrisome-is-mark-ingrams-40-time/
23. Mike Pouncey – OG, Florida - 6'4 - 310
Did nothing special expect is exact match to his brother, drafted 18th overall by Pittsburgh who was voted on the Pro-Bowl team.
24. Cameron Heyward, DE/DT, Ohio State - 6'3 - 281
Smaller than advertised but faster 4.78. Seems solid all around player.
25. Muhammad Wilkerson, DT, Temple - 6'5 - 305
Smaller school prospect breaking into the Big Board. Big, strong & athletic enough to play 5 technique or NT in a Wade Phillips 3-4.
26. Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin - 6"7 - 315
He is not quick, in fact he is kinda slow but he is a workhorse & give 100% effort plus he is a tackle which teams need.
27. Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina - 6'2 - 312
Character concerns aside, he's been penalized despite still under investigation. Should be in top 10 discussion along with Farley & Dareus from talent evaluation stand-point.
28. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama - 5'9 1/8 - 215
4.62 forty hurts but did show explosive burst from snap (1st ten yard time) Emmitt Smith comparison still valid but needs similar power style of running game/OL to be that productive
29. Justin Houston, LB Georgia - 6'3 - 270
Could stand up & rush the passer but movement out of control will have difficulty dropping into coverage, a liability. Not the ideal 3-4 OLB projected earlier.
30. Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State - 6'5 - 331
Lacks polish but has athletic ability to play LT.
31. Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State - 6'1 - 295
All ready knew he played strong but 49 reps that looked easy? What a bear, could not do drills but can verify he is very agile & athletic.
32. Phillip Taylor, NG/NT, Baylor - 6'3 1/2" - 334
Leave put, showed well in drills, keeping weight down, could wind up more effective under 330.

dropped out -
Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas - 6'6 - 238
displayed immaturity & some past personal problems
Jake Locker, QB, Washington - 6'3 - 230
he actually did ok, but unless a team really needs a QB he should fall into 2nd
Drake Nevis – DT, LSU - 6'1 - 285
lost out to Paea in weight room
Jimmy Smith, CB Colorado - 6'2 - 201
Reported did not impress during interviews which was extra important for him given character concerns.
Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois, (Jr.), - 6'0 - 227
Bigger frame than compact Ingram, but not as explosive to LOS, slightly better long speed in weak RB class.

WolverineFan
03-07-2011, 04:01 PM
I'm totally against this.
I don't know hos he's going to play at 307 so I cannot project that at all.

As previously stated, IMO, I feel like Peterson is not even worth top 15 and Amukamara should not even be in the first round.

I'm also not comfortable with Harris and Taylor in the first round for different reasons.

Harris had fewer good tapes and more bad tapes than Jackson or McCourty.

Taylor lacks too much in the pass rush department to be projected so high.
In the old NFL where the running game was still much in play, he would stand a better chance; but in today's NFL, investing first round dollar in Taylor is very risky, IMHO.

Did you watch college football the past 2 years?? He was a top 15 player in the country last year as a soph.