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Rey
12-04-2010, 09:06 AM
I know fans are often trying to imagine players at different positions and thinking that they may play better somewhere other than where they are at, but what do you think about these moves?

I think Quinn could play the FS position very effectively. He has good enough range for that position and he is a good tackler.

Pollard does really well in the box. He is a good tackler and he is an effective blitzer. I don't know how he'd respond to being in the box on every single play and having to take on O-linemen more than he does now, but I think he could adjust.

His coverage skills aren't great, but for a LB they should be above average. I honestly think he could get it done.

I think it is a bit harder to project Quinn to the FS position because of how different it is from corner mentally. He'd have to be aware of a lot more. Physically, I think he could do it, but I just have no clue about the mental aspect of it.

I am not here saying that I believe either of these moves would be sure fire solutions, but rather providing reasons for why I think they may work.

What do you guys think?

Imatexanfan
12-04-2010, 09:47 AM
Sounds good Rey because he cannot cover well to a DB's expectations...

Gymrat2005
12-04-2010, 09:58 AM
I agree completely, I started a thread yesterday saying the same things, now that ive given it some food for thought.

Pollard to WSLB is becoming a more and more of an ample solution.

When we sit down and look at things, we have the youngest corners in the NFL BUT then we have a SS who is maybe the worst cover SS in the NFL "ouch"...

If any of us thought our secondary would be anything other than Average this year were strongly mistaken.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Actually I like the Pollard to WOLB move a lot on paper. I've been saying our LB corps is too heavy and that hurts them in the passing game. Pollard is only a little bit lighter than the average NFL WOLB. I think he'd do well there. Quin to FS I have serious doubts about though.

Oh and our coaches will never ever do this. Most conservative coaches in the NFL probably, there is no way this will happen.

Norg
12-04-2010, 12:01 PM
I like it someone should suggest that to Kubes

Quinn should stay CB tho and get someone else to play SS like Mcmanis or nolan or anybody but Pollard

burro
12-04-2010, 12:31 PM
To suggest that Pollard is a good tackler requires a very liberal definition of "tackling". How many times has Pollard tried that one armed half-ass tackle while running right past whoever he is supposed to be tackling? I wouldn't be too excited at the prospect of seeing Pollard juked out of his boots on every other running play. Plus, we don't have anyone better to put at SS so therefore we are just creating bigger voids where there are already big voids.

As for Quin to FS - I'll pass on that too. Quin seems to actually be figuring out his position. He has a long way to go before he could even be called a good CB, but I at least see him progressing (which is more than can be said of KJ and especially McCain). This would be the worst possible time to switch him from his natural position. Also, again, who takes his place at CB? McCain? Eff no.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 12:41 PM
I think Pollard to WLB is laughable. Dude isn't nearly large enough to take on blocks consistently and his tackling ability is lackluster. Pretty poor idea.

Quin to FS, I have no idea and neither should anybody else who hasn't seen him play there. Safety and corner are two completely different positions and require different skill sets. Quin really isn't a very good tackler either, he isn't bad but he isn't good. He makes some good tackles here and there but he also misses his share of easy tackles.

How about acquiring a real FS, and a real WLB? Diles is pretty much trash right now. With different coaching I am sure he could improve but I don't know to what extent. He takes horrible angles. If we move Quin to FS we need to add a corner, on top of the one or two we already need. Seems easier to me to just add new players.

JMO

Gymrat2005
12-04-2010, 12:46 PM
I think Pollard to WLB is laughable. Dude isn't nearly large enough to take on blocks consistently and his tackling ability is lackluster. Pretty poor idea.


JMO

Okay soo its a concesus that pollard is below average in coverage, He is a lack luster tackler.

Time to move on from pollard then?

ledzeppelin229
12-04-2010, 12:49 PM
Quin has been the only CB to actually play the last couple of games - would we really want Jackson and McCain as our two starting corners and then move him to FS? I don't get that...

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 12:49 PM
I think Pollard to WLB is laughable. Dude isn't nearly large enough to take on blocks consistently and his tackling ability is lackluster. Pretty poor idea.

Dude weighs 224. That's barely 5lbs away from most of the 4-3 WLBs in the league. He could put on 5lbs and be average weight at the position.

And his tackling isn't that bad. I mean, it might LOOK bad, but I think that's because he is getting de-coached just like the rest of our defense. And of course, our scheme blows. Dude was solid last year, an entire squad doesn't regress like that unless it's coaching. I'm not about to call him a bad tackler.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 12:54 PM
Dude weighs 224. That's barely 5lbs away from most of the 4-3 WLBs in the league. He could put on 5lbs and be average weight at the position.

And his tackling isn't that bad. I mean, it might LOOK bad, but I think that's because he is getting de-coached just like the rest of our defense. And of course, our scheme blows. Dude was solid last year, an entire squad doesn't regress like that unless it's coaching. I'm not about to call him a bad tackler.

To each his own, he is a pretty poor tackler IMO. He may get a big hit here and there but he also misses tackles left and right.

Pollard = 224 lbs
Diles = 245 lbs
Adibi = 242 lbs

Diles and Adibi aren't even holding up against OL at their size. Pick a team, any team, and show me successful 230 lb LBers.

burro
12-04-2010, 12:56 PM
Okay soo its a concesus that pollard is below average in coverage, He is a lack luster tackler.

Time to move on from pollard then?

Honestly, with the exception of Brice McCain who is just crap anyway you slice it, I don't want to see anyone cut from the defense until we see how they perform under a DC that actually knows something about defense. The schemes are terrible and there's no cohesion, therefore it's hard to say exactly who sucks and whose a victim of bad coaching.

Gymrat2005
12-04-2010, 12:57 PM
To each his own, he is a pretty poor tackler IMO. He may get a big hit here and there but he also misses tackles left and right.

Pollard = 224 lbs
Diles = 245 lbs
Adibi = 242 lbs

Diles and Adibi aren't even holding up against OL at their size. Pick a team, any team, and show me successful 230 lb LBers.

colts

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 01:02 PM
colts

All listed at between 235-240.

And...

They give up 136 yards per game on the ground. That's 29th.

Not only would he have to add weight and strength but he needs to learn the position. Waste of time and talk IMO.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 01:24 PM
To each his own, he is a pretty poor tackler IMO. He may get a big hit here and there but he also misses tackles left and right.

Pollard = 224 lbs
Diles = 245 lbs
Adibi = 242 lbs

Diles and Adibi aren't even holding up against OL at their size. Pick a team, any team, and show me successful 230 lb LBers.

Try this thread. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76760
You should learn more about LB weight before talking so much about it.

Starting WLBs for various teams:

Giants 223
Saints 226
Eagles 230
Falcons 230
Bears 230
Panthers 231


And I'm only looking at 4-3 teams. Some have WLBs in the mid 230s and low 240s, sure. But it isn't necessary by a long shot. And some of the best 4-3 defenses are those listed.

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 01:31 PM
This cant be done at this time. It's too late in the season to make these kinds of drastic changes.

I would be all for drafting a CB like Brandon Harris in rd 1 and moving Quin to FS. Coverage and tackling would immediately improve. In fact if you think the season is over giving Quin experience at FS to see how he does would be a prudent thing to do. You could also give McMannis some experience too. This would be a win-win situation. IMHO

No to Pollard at the WLB. Not enough size to hold up on regular basis. They need to draft an OLB in rd 1/2. IMHO A real difference maker at Diles position. (Miller or Herzlich would fit the bill)

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Try this thread. http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76760

Starting WLBs for various teams:

Giants 223 Michael Boley is 223.
Saints 226 Shanle is 245. Danny Clark is 233.
Eagles 230 Ernie Sims is 230 and strong as an ox. Either way he hasn't played that well, and that's coming from a Florida State fan. Fokou is 236.
Falcons 230 Mike Peterson is 233. Witherspoon is 239.
Bears 230 Lance Briggs is 242. Nick Roach is 234.
Panthers 231 Nick Harris is 232. Abdul Hodge is 238.


And I'm only looking at 4-3 teams. Some have WLBs in the mid 230s and low 240s, sure. But it isn't necessary by a long shot. And some of the best 4-3 defenses are those listed.

So you've got a guy who probably needs to add 10 pounds if his listing his correct in Pollard. He needs to learn a new position, and needs to improve his tackling alot.

What's the point? Why not just get a new player?

You should learn more about LB weight before talking so much about it.

Should probably get your numbers right. You've got one guy at Pollard's weight. One guy. Add 5 pounds and you still aren't at where most smaller linebackers are.

You can just look at Pollard and see that he isn't near the size of a linebacker.

CretorFrigg
12-04-2010, 02:08 PM
Should probably get your numbers right. You've got one guy at Pollard's weight. One guy. Add 5 pounds and you still aren't at where most smaller linebackers are.

You can just look at Pollard and see that he isn't near the size of a linebacker.

Bernard Pollard is 6'1" and around 230 lbs.

That's the average size of a WLB. I remember discussing about Sean Witherspoon, a WLB. In college, he weighed 250 lbs and many people were saying he was a little bit too big to play WLB. He now plays at around 240 lbs.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:18 PM
So you've got a guy who probably needs to add 10 pounds if his listing his correct in Pollard. He needs to learn a new position, and needs to improve his tackling alot.

What's the point? Why not just get a new player?



Should probably get your numbers right. You've got one guy at Pollard's weight. One guy. Add 5 pounds and you still aren't at where most smaller linebackers are.

You can just look at Pollard and see that he isn't near the size of a linebacker.
Ah, I forgot to say I was assuming the lightest of the 3 starting LBs was the Will. I dunno where you got your stats, I got mine from team websites and NFLs website. Many sites don't say who is Will or Sam, so I just got weights on the 3 starters. Look at the thread.

Like I said, add 5 lbs and he is WLB size. 229lbs. Oh my god, sorry, I guess he should add 6lbs to be 230. lol.

You said he's too small. He's not. You said show me a 230lb linebacker. There are dozens of LBs in the NFL that are between 226-235. And Pollard isn't fat... he's lean, he could easily gain 5lbs, probably 10, on his frame.

It would take minimal effort for him to be LB size. Get over it.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Oh, on top of that, our other LBs are super heavy. So it's not like we would be severely under-weight with a 230lb WLB.

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 02:20 PM
So you've got a guy who probably needs to add 10 pounds if his listing his correct in Pollard. He needs to learn a new position, and needs to improve his tackling alot.

What's the point? Why not just get a new player?



Should probably get your numbers right. You've got one guy at Pollard's weight. One guy. Add 5 pounds and you still aren't at where most smaller linebackers are.

You can just look at Pollard and see that he isn't near the size of a linebacker.

Yeah

WH doesn't realize what being in the box every play entails. That and the fact that Pollard has never played LB a day in his life.

But nevermind he doesn't want to let these facts get in the way of the fact Pollard is a crappy coverage S. So lets drop him down to WLB. It just doesn't work that way.

Face it the Texans defense stinks and will continue to stink for the rest of this yr. They need to hire a new HC or atleast a new DC. Then if they get lucky maybe 4/5 of the holes can be filled in the draft. Since the Texans dont spend $$$ in FA. They have to get lucky in the draft.

Give me 3 playmakers in the draft (I think they can find these guys provided Smith works hard to find these guy. That's a big ? in my mind) and Ryans/Barwin come back healthy. The defense should improve from historically bad to atleast average.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 02:25 PM
I dunno where you got your stats, I got mine from team websites and NFLs website.

NFL.com

Many sites don't say who is Will or Sam, so I just got weights on the 3 starters. Look at the thread.

I put both OLBs up in my post.

Like I said, add 5 lbs and he is WLB size. 229lbs. Oh my god, sorry, I guess he should add 6lbs to be 230. lol.

It's not all about weight though. It's about strength and body size. The dude is not a linebacker's size, pure and simple.

The guy is not going to be a linebacker, give it up. He's been a safety for 5 years in the NFL, also in college, and all the sudden he can just add 5 pounds and he is our starting WLB?

Ok. Sure.

Why do people think they can just change a guy's position so easily? I don't understand this line of thinking. This isn't XBOX.

Anyway, continue on with the fantasy talk, I suppose it doesn't hurt anyone.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Yeah

WH doesn't realize what being in the box every play entails. That and the fact that Pollard has never played LB a day in his life.

But nevermind he doesn't want to let these facts get in the way of the fact Pollard is a crappy coverage S. So lets drop him down to WLB. It just doesn't work that way.
lol. You're right, I don't realize what it entails. I did play WLB in high school though (not that I remember much). Maybe you should tell me what it entails in the NFL, since I didn't play there like you did?

I'm not trying to say he would work there for sure. I said he is the right size. I think he COULD do well there. I also think he is a good player in general, smart, and hard-working Smart and hard-working are probably the most important things for changing positions. Of course it depends and since he has never played the position noone knows.

You say it "just doesn't work that way" but that's pure speculation on your part. You don't know it wouldn't work, and I don't know it would work. I'm just guessing and so are you. Unless you want to pull out your NFL LB coaching credentials, forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 02:30 PM
You say it "just doesn't work that way" but that's pure speculation on your part. You don't know it wouldn't work, and I don't know it would work. I'm just guessing and so are you. Unless you want to pull out your NFL LB coaching credentials, forgive me if I don't simply take your word for it.

It doesn't work that way.

Let's just move Jacoby Jones to safety. Then he can just bat balls away instead of catch. Sure thing, coach!

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:31 PM
[QUOTE=wagonhed;1600007]I dunno where you got your stats, I got mine from team websites and NFLs website.

NFL.com


I put both OLBs up in my post.


It's not all about weight though. It's about strength and body size. The dude is not a linebacker's size, pure and simple.

The guy is not going to be a linebacker, give it up. He's been a safety for 5 years in the NFL, also in college, and all the sudden he can just add 5 pounds and he is our starting WLB?

Ok. Sure.

Why do people think they can just change a guy's position so easily? I don't understand this line of thinking. This isn't XBOX.

Anyway, continue on with the fantasy talk, I suppose it doesn't hurt anyone.
I put em both up too. Of course, there are many heavier LBs. Cushing is 260? I never said there weren't heavier ones.

Of course it's not all about weight. I was just responding to you who SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED WEIGHT. I don't know how much Pollard lifts in the gym and you probably don't either, so how do you know how strong he is? Dude is lean, that's all I know. He's not pudgy like Ryans and many other LBs.


And yeah, of course this is fantasy. That's the point of the thread. Sometimes people don't want to talk about reality. You know what reality is? We are 5-7, we suck, and we aren't going to the playoffs. So I (and the thread starter apparently) feel like talking about magical hypothetical situations. No reason to get upset about it.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:32 PM
It doesn't work that way.

Let's just move Jacoby Jones to safety. Then he can just bat balls away instead of catch. Sure thing, coach!
I'm saying moving players can sometimes work. You're saying it can never work. Which is more reasonable? :hmmm:

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 02:34 PM
I'm saying moving players can sometimes work. You're saying it can never work. Which is more reasonable? :hmmm:

Examples of safeties moving to linebacker successfully.

Go.

What's the point of moving Pollard to LB, I am curious? Why not just draft or sign another safety and make him your backup SS, rather than putting him through an entire position change so he can be a backup there? Let's just take a shot in the dark and potentially ruin his career.

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 02:35 PM
You went to the WLB high school card. LOL

Just saying that changing a SS to an undersized WLB in week 13 of the season doesn't seem like a good idea to me. But I will give you this it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. This defense cant get any worse than it already is. So giving Pollard a try at WLB certianly wouldn't make the defense any worse.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Look dudes, I'm not hashing this out any further. I don't care that much. I never said this was the best idea ever or super important. It's an idea, it will never happen anyway (as I said in post #1), and if you don't think there is any chance it could ever work, good for you. Have a cookie. I disagree.

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Now if you wanna talk about something more serious, I'll talk about the overall weight of the LBs on our team. Because I think they are too heavy and it hurts our pass defense. In a more pass-focused NFL I think the lighter LB model works better. But I already started a thread about that and there was not much interest, so......

Gymrat2005
12-04-2010, 02:46 PM
Examples of safeties moving to linebacker successfully.

Go.

What's the point of moving Pollard to LB, I am curious? Why not just draft or sign another safety and make him your backup SS, rather than putting him through an entire position change so he can be a backup there? Let's just take a shot in the dark and potentially ruin his career.

When we have these discussions we're not talking about mid season changes, Pollard was CUT in kansas city bc he couldnt cover.

His career was ruined from that point ford, the NFL is a pass happy league now and safeties not being able to cover can go work at Car Dealerships.

Brian Urlacher was a Safety in College.

Everyone on this board "loves" the way pollard hits people, so instead of just saying cut pollard, lets keep a leader on this football team and move him to the box for good.

Alot of safeties in the NFL could play LB if they spent an offseason learning the position and gaining weight.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 02:55 PM
Look dudes, I'm not hashing this out any further. I don't care that much. I never said this was the best idea ever or super important. It's an idea, it will never happen anyway (as I said in post #1), and if you don't think there is any chance it could ever work, good for you. Have a cookie. I disagree.

It's just that people seem to create these moving X player to Y position every couple weeks. It just doesn't work that way most of the time. And if it has a chance the player needs to show some signs of being able to play the other position. Pollard has 0 experience at the position, isn't of the position's required size, and isn't a good tackler which is key to playing the position.

Now one would assume Quin to FS would be more realistic.

Brian Urlacher was a Safety in College.

Urlacher is a better football player than Pollard 1000 times over. Plus, Urlacher played at New Mexico.


Everyone on this board "loves" the way pollard hits people, so instead of just saying cut pollard, lets keep a leader on this football team and move him to the box for good.

I don't love the way he hits people. I'd rather see him just wrap up and make the tackle. Sure, I like to see big hits here and there but not if the guy is missing tackles in order to try and go for them. Just make the tackle, that's all I want.


Alot of safeties in the NFL could play LB if they spent an offseason learning the position and gaining weight.

You sure about that?

Honestly, I don't see Pollard as a very good football player period. I'd like to have him as a backup, because he has experience but as far as a starter we need to upgrade. He can't cover, he regularly misses tackles, makes the occasional play here and there. He's got backup written all over him. That's what KC saw and what we are seeing now.

14 or 16 games doesn't make a football player. What he did last year (playing solid football) isn't representative of what he has done throughout his career, before and after last year.

burro
12-04-2010, 02:57 PM
I don't get it. Pollard can't cover, and so you want him covering most QB's safety blanket (TE)? That could be very ugly. Hell, maybe he should just gain 50 pounds and play DT.
:kubepalm:

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 03:05 PM
The only S that I can recall moving from SS to WLB is Thomas Davis from Carolina.

He made the transition 3 yrs. He played WLB 1 yr and tore his ACL 2 yrs in a row. So I would say making the transition would be a failure based on past history. IMHO

Plus the fact that Pollard isn't near the athlete that Davis was.

Gymrat2005
12-04-2010, 03:12 PM
I don't get it. Pollard can't cover, and so you want him covering most QB's safety blanket (TE)? That could be very ugly. Hell, maybe he should just gain 50 pounds and play DT.
:kubepalm:

WSB is on the weakside of the formation ie. the NON tightend side anytime he'd be asked to cover a tightend would be in two tightend sets or if were playing zone in witch he was a safety soo he should excel in playing zone in witch he doesnt, and covering a TE and covering a WR are two entirely different things.

From the point of views were getting on this topic, it seems clear to me people are cringing at the thought of having pollard as a WSB, soo lets cut him just as kansas city did. But if i were the owner, i would of fired the DC ages ago.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 03:23 PM
From the point of views were getting on this topic, it seems clear to me people are cringing at the thought of having pollard as a WSB, soo lets cut him just as kansas city did. But if i were the owner, i would of fired the DC ages ago.

He doesn't have to get cut. Just don't expect him to be a starter next year. He'd be good depth.

Rey
12-04-2010, 04:38 PM
I think Pollard to WLB is laughable. Dude isn't nearly large enough to take on blocks consistently and his tackling ability is lackluster. Pretty poor idea.

Quin to FS, I have no idea and neither should anybody else who hasn't seen him play there. Safety and corner are two completely different positions and require different skill sets. Quin really isn't a very good tackler either, he isn't bad but he isn't good. He makes some good tackles here and there but he also misses his share of easy tackles.

How about acquiring a real FS, and a real WLB? Diles is pretty much trash right now. With different coaching I am sure he could improve but I don't know to what extent. He takes horrible angles. If we move Quin to FS we need to add a corner, on top of the one or two we already need. Seems easier to me to just add new players.

JMO

Pollard is a good tackler. No he doesn't make everyone, but in the open field he is pretty money. In fact, IMO, he is one of the better tacklers on the team.

Rey
12-04-2010, 04:42 PM
I don't get it. Pollard can't cover, and so you want him covering most QB's safety blanket (TE)? That could be very ugly. Hell, maybe he should just gain 50 pounds and play DT.
:kubepalm:

Do you know what WLB is?

Rey
12-04-2010, 04:43 PM
Yeah

WH doesn't realize what being in the box every play entails. That and the fact that Pollard has never played LB a day in his life.


How do you know he's never played LB in his life? LOL....

And he is a SS...It's not as huge a jump going to WLB as some of you all make it out to be...

Hell...He is already playing in the box a bunch anyways...

wagonhed
12-04-2010, 04:55 PM
How do you know he's never played LB? LOL....

And he is a SS...It's not as huge a jump going to WLB as some of you all make it out to be...

Hell...He is already playing in the box a bunch anyways...

:bunpan:

Rey
12-04-2010, 04:55 PM
Not sure why some of you guys are sutomatically dismissing the notion. Like this is the first time a SS has moved to LB or vice versa....

Players change positions fairly regularly.

Rey
12-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Urlacher coming out of college:

The question, "What is he?" has not been asked with this degree of frequency since Tiger Woods found fame. So what is Brian Urlacher, one of the top defensive players available in next month's draft?

Well, if he were a musical instrument, he'd be a synthesizer, capable of playing any part the bandleader might call for. In normal mode for New Mexico last season, he was a free safety. He made All-American and averaged 14 tackles a game.

Press a button and he became an inside linebacker. He started there two previous seasons and played there sporadically last year. He was named defensive player of the game at that position in the Senior Bowl.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_13_224/ai_61573735/

ArlingtonTexan
12-04-2010, 07:32 PM
Not sure why some of you guys are sutomatically dismissing the notion. Like this is the first time a SS has moved to LB or vice versa....

Players change positions fairly regularly.

Not really, but t does happen, but it is usually

1) Very early in a career
2 ) most (not all) of the time involves a player who is drafted late or not drafted at all.

Even in the case of Urlacher, the quote you showed reveals that he had experience at the position during college and was projected/practiced/played at the Senior Bowl for MLB. It was not a peek of his career switch.

To my knowledge you will find none of that in Pollard's background. Not impossible, but position switches happen way less than fans discuss the possibility of them (especially with players who established some level of production at another position, which even with his flaws Pollard has)

Quin is actually a different story in that pre-draft many teams/scouts thought that he could be a FS and he is not changing defensive levels

80tothezone
12-04-2010, 07:35 PM
I think that sounds like a change we could make today and a good one to make. With our linebackers beat up and not covering well moving a faster BP would help alot. As far as quin to FS it might be feasible ur right to say he has the physical skills and I think he would end up being better than pollard in passing situations

80tothezone
12-04-2010, 10:12 PM
one more thing though after talking it over with TExan mike ... if u were gonna do it don't take our best corner and move him to FS ... try moving KJ there instead still early in his career and might give him a change to reset himself mentally in a new position after all the abuse he has taken at CB

Rey
12-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Not really, but t does happen, but it is usually

1) Very early in a career
2 ) most (not all) of the time involves a player who is drafted late or not drafted at all.

Even in the case of Urlacher, the quote you showed reveals that he had experience at the position during college and was projected/practiced/played at the Senior Bowl for MLB. It was not a peek of his career switch.

To my knowledge you will find none of that in Pollard's background. Not impossible, but position switches happen way less than fans discuss the possibility of them (especially with players who established some level of production at another position, which even with his flaws Pollard has)

Quin is actually a different story in that pre-draft many teams/scouts thought that he could be a FS and he is not changing defensive levels

I did not specify on the NFL level with my statement. But you are right, on the NFL level it is not all that common with players late in their careers.

That said, Pollard is still a fairly young guy. And the switch would probably be easier for him than say a Darnell Bing, since he knows whats going on out there on the field.

But my point still remains, players switch positions all the time. That's part of being a football player.

Pollard isn't an old vet on the back end of his career so I don't think that has a lot to do with it. He hasn't really established anything to the point of where he is a guy you wouldn't dare think of moving.

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 10:42 PM
How do you know he's never played LB in his life? LOL....

And he is a SS...It's not as huge a jump going to WLB as some of you all make it out to be...

Hell...He is already playing in the box a bunch anyways...

Atleast not in college or the pros.

Go ahead and pick my post apart.

Fact is Pollard will not be playing WLB for any team in the NFL. Atleast not playing for one with playoff aspirations.

steelbtexan
12-04-2010, 10:44 PM
I did not specify on the NFL level with my statement. But you are right, on the NFL level it is not all that common with players late in their careers.

That said, Pollard is still a fairly young guy. And the switch would probably be easier for him than say a Darnell Bing, since he knows whats going on out there on the field.

But my point still remains, players switch positions all the time. That's part of being a football player.

Pollard isn't an old vet on the back end of his career so I don't think that has a lot to do with it. He hasn't really established anything to the point of where he is a guy you wouldn't dare think of moving.

Pollard and Bing would be good comparisons as WLB's

Pollard and Bing = scrubs as WLB's IMHO

TexansSeminole
12-05-2010, 08:21 AM
But my point still remains, players switch positions all the time. That's part of being a football player.

Not in the NFL they don't. Name 5 players that successfully went from either LB to S or S to LB.

Moving from CB to S, or S to CB is completely different.

beerlover
12-05-2010, 10:52 AM
Not in the NFL they don't. Name 5 players that successfully went from either LB to S or S to LB.

Moving from CB to S, or S to CB is completely different.

there are always exceptions to this rule, Pollard maybe one? Quinn I have no doubt would be a better FS than what is currently playing @ that position.

Rey
12-05-2010, 11:46 AM
Not in the NFL they don't. Name 5 players that successfully went from either LB to S or S to LB.


Moving from CB to S, or S to CB is completely different.


I can't name any players off the top of my head that were successful at the SS to LB move, but I can name some that made the move. But my point in the post you quoted was about position changes in general.

So your first point about "Not in the NFL they don't" isn't true. Yes they do.

beerlover
12-05-2010, 11:59 AM
I can't name any players off the top of my head that were successful at the SS to LB move, but I can name some that made the move. But my point in the post you quoted was about position changes in general.

So your first point about "Not in the NFL they don't" isn't true. Yes they do.

Thomas Davis comes to mind. think he played SS @ Georgia & Carolina moved him to OLB, placed on reserve/physically unable to perform with an injured right knee 8/31/10. never really played up to his draft position, not unlike Travis Johnson who Texans selected two picks later #16 overall. very weak draft year (05). Is a much bigger, thicker body than Pollard but Pollard is quicker, better reaction/anticiapation skills could be more productive if moved than Davis?

Rey
12-05-2010, 01:22 PM
Thomas Davis comes to mind. think he played SS @ Georgia & Carolina moved him to OLB, placed on reserve/physically unable to perform with an injured right knee 8/31/10. never really played up to his draft position, not unlike Travis Johnson who Texans selected two picks later #16 overall. very weak draft year (05). Is a much bigger, thicker body than Pollard but Pollard is quicker, better reaction/anticiapation skills could be more productive if moved than Davis?

That's what I was really looking for...football talk...

All of the "it's never happened before responses" were not what I was looking for...

I don't mind folks saying that he'll suck as a WLB...Heck, I even said in my initial post that this was just a thought and that there were plenty of potential downfalls to this hypothetical move.

Thanks for talking actual football and giving actual reasons to support your position.

Anyways, I think you may be right with regards to Pollard. In addition to the things you mention about Pollard, I also see a guy with longer arms who may be able to fight of blocks a bit better. He is already playing in the box a bunch anyways so I don't think it'd be a huge adjustment to ask him to play there down in and down out.

I do agree with what some have said about him possibly being a liability there in regards to having to take on blockers, but on the weak side that may not be as big of a thing to overcome vs. if he were to move to the strong side....

ArlingtonTexan
12-05-2010, 03:43 PM
there are always exceptions to this rule, Pollard maybe one? Quinn I have no doubt would be a better FS than what is currently playing @ that position.

The problem is that you are trying formulate a plan based on an exception to the rule working out which by definition is a low percentage move. Long-term the Texans are better off focusing their energies on Sharpton becoming a legitimate option at WLB or figuring out how Diles went from solid player to awful in an off-season. And even if does work, are you really wanting Barber at SS.

burro
12-05-2010, 03:51 PM
The problem is that you are trying formulate a plan based on an exception to the rule working out which by definition is a low percentage move. Long-term the Texans are better off focusing their energies on Sharpton becoming a legitimate option at WLB or figuring out how Diles went from solid player to awful in an off-season. And even if does work, are you really wanting Barber at SS.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the real nail in the coffin in terms of this conversation. As hard as it may be to believe having watched the games this year - Pollard is the best we have at SS. We already need a FS, do we really want to have absolutely nothing of any positive value in either of our safety positions? The same thing applies to Quin going to FS, McCain on the starting line? *VOMIT*.

TimeKiller
12-05-2010, 05:29 PM
I'm in the draft a LBer boat. The problem here isn't BP, the problem is Zac Diles is showing his 7th round status while Adibi has nothing to add, Sharpton is very young and Bentley is already playing due to Ryans' achilles injury.

To those who question Pollard's coverage skill at WLB, facing TE's much of the time I say this: what exactly would be different? Pollard is regularly in coverage...being a safety and all. Matching up on TEs and faster WRs.

To those who question his size, durability I say this: what exactly would be different? He's still diving into the same piles as he would be as a safety.

The point is to minimize his weakness in coverage and maximize his ability to be a run stopping force. Certainly, I would expect less of a LBer in coverage than I would a safety...even if the Texans defensive staff doesn't feel the same way.

No wait I got it, let's keep doing the same crap over and over and overandoverandoverandovand.faoanvsdnr.d.cvasdf.... .....

Rey
12-05-2010, 05:54 PM
As far as I'm concerned, this is the real nail in the coffin in terms of this conversation. As hard as it may be to believe having watched the games this year - Pollard is the best we have at SS. We already need a FS, do we really want to have absolutely nothing of any positive value in either of our safety positions? The same thing applies to Quin going to FS, McCain on the starting line? *VOMIT*.

McCain wouldn't be a starter if Quinn moved, and why couldn't Troy Nolan play the SS position?

But besides that, I didn't see where anyone specified making these moves right now...

Personally, I was thinking that if any player would change positions they'd do it over an off-season.

burro
12-05-2010, 06:07 PM
McCain wouldn't be a starter if Quinn moved, and why couldn't Troy Nolan play the SS position?

But besides that, I didn't see where anyone specified making these moves right now...

Personally, I was thinking that if any player would change positions they'd do it over an off-season.

Who then? Unless I am mistaken, McCain is who they sent in when playing in the nickel - is this only situational? As for Nolan playing SS, why don't we just let him play FS (bench Wilson), which is his natural position, and leave the one CB we have that is showing signs of progress at his natural position?

Rey
12-05-2010, 06:10 PM
Who then? Unless I am mistaken, McCain is who they sent in when playing in the nickel - is this only situational? As for Nolan playing SS, why don't we just let him play FS (bench Wilson), which is his natural position, and leave the one CB we have that is showing signs of progress at his natural position?

Jason Allen would start before McCain.

Barbrer was placed on IR a few weeks ago...

As far as I know, Nolan is the only back-up safety on the roster...AKA we are only carrying 3 safeties....

burro
12-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Jason Allen would start before McCain.

Barbrer was placed on IR a few weeks ago...

As far as I know, Nolan is the only back-up safety on the roster...AKA we are only carrying 3 safeties....

I would certainly hope you are right, as no one could fail as much as McCain. That said, I think GQ is coming along at the CB position, slowly but surely, and perhaps with a new DC and a better scheme could develop into a pretty good player (not HOF, mind you, but serviceable). I just don't think switching him would do him any good.

This is true, but I would still prefer to keep Pollard at SS and give Nolan a shot at playing FS. Wilson has been less than impressive. This is something simple we could try now, if only to see what Nolan is capable of.

Rey
12-05-2010, 06:32 PM
Nolan has actually been playing a lot...

I'm not sure what the split is, but it looks almost 50/50 to me....

burro
12-05-2010, 06:52 PM
Nolan has actually been playing a lot...

I'm not sure what the split is, but it looks almost 50/50 to me....

I suppose it's just escaped me. Which would you say has been more serviceable while on the field? Or is there little difference?

TimeKiller
12-05-2010, 10:36 PM
Jason Allen would start before McCain.

Barbrer was placed on IR a few weeks ago...

As far as I know, Nolan is the only back-up safety on the roster...AKA we are only carrying 3 safeties....

Didn't hear that about Barber. I knew they brought up a guy named Tori Williams or something and got cut immediately after. Safety is still a black hole for this team. Pollard's (most of a) year of pain lives as the best performance to date. Can I get a 1st round Safety?

2nd?

3rd?

.......
.....4th?

.....

oh ok we'll just hope a late round guys explodes for no reason....

Rey
12-05-2010, 11:17 PM
I suppose it's just escaped me. Which would you say has been more serviceable while on the field? Or is there little difference?

Honestly, I'm a guy that really wanted Nolan in the line-up.

Since he has been playing I can't say that I have really noticed a big difference other than we aren't giving up as many big passing plays.

I am not gonna say that is because of Nolan...In fact, I'd be shocked if it was...

I would like to see him get extended playing time for the rest of the season, bu the platoon of he and Wilson seems to be a bit better than just Wilson alone like it was at the beginning of the year..I think Wilson has probably stepped his game up some too....

That said, I would not be upset at all if we took a safety high in the upcoming draft...