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kiwitexansfan
12-03-2010, 11:02 PM
So who are you backing the good guys or Oklahoma?

I was thinking the last Big 12 Championship trophy would be a nice parting gift on the way out to the Big 10.

:stirpot:

sakebomb
12-03-2010, 11:56 PM
I heard on 790 that some folks are calling it the "We Both Lost to TAMU" game.

JCTexan
12-04-2010, 01:26 AM
I'm rooting for Oklahoma. I might be a UT fan, but I do not want to see Nebraska win it on their way to the Big Ten.

Mr teX
12-04-2010, 02:39 AM
I heard on 790 that some folks are calling it the "We Both Lost to TAMU" game.

Geez, 1 decent year & the jackasses are already out in force for TAMU.

Anyhow, i'm rooting for OU, Stoops is my coaching idol.

sakebomb
12-04-2010, 07:51 AM
Geez, 1 decent year & the jackasses are already out in force for TAMU.

LOL. That's the way it works.

IDEXAN
12-04-2010, 08:12 AM
I'd like to see Nebraska win this game in their swan-song appearance in the Big 12, and during the offseason OK announce its going to the PAC 10, and the Aggies announce their going to the SEC, and oy yea Mizzou say they are going to join the Cornhuskers in the Big 10. That would pretty much leave UT alone in the conference they single-handedly wrecked when they managed to chase off the best football programs in the conference.

axman40
12-04-2010, 09:11 AM
It's a good thing Nebraska is not playing Texas maybe OU should wear Burnt Orange today!
:)

Dutchrudder
12-04-2010, 11:16 AM
I'd like to see Nebraska win this game in their swan-song appearance in the Big 12, and during the offseason OK announce its going to the PAC 10, and the Aggies announce their going to the SEC, and oy yea Mizzou say they are going to join the Cornhuskers in the Big 10. That would pretty much leave UT alone in the conference they single-handedly wrecked when they managed to chase off the best football programs in the conference.

I can understand your homer-ism for Boise, but this post is just a whole new level of ignorance for you.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 12:02 PM
I can understand your homer-ism for Boise, but this post is just a whole new level of ignorance for you.

Not really.....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/7323886.html

Dutchrudder
12-04-2010, 12:32 PM
Not really.....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/7323886.html

I'd like to see Nebraska win this game in their swan-song appearance in the Big 12, and during the offseason OK announce its going to the PAC 10, and the Aggies announce their going to the SEC, and oy yea Mizzou say they are going to join the Cornhuskers in the Big 10. That would pretty much leave UT alone in the conference they single-handedly wrecked when they managed to chase off the best football programs in the conference.

The idea that OU, A&M and Mizzou all leave the Big 12 and UT is stuck alone in a conference? What, you don't think the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10 would want UT to join? I mean really, the amount of ignorance in that post is just astounding, but it's exactly what I would expect from someone who reads Richard Justice.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 12:38 PM
The idea that OU, A&M and Mizzou all leave the Big 12 and UT is stuck alone in a conference? What, you don't think the Pac 10, SEC or Big 10 would want UT to join? I mean really, the amount of ignorance in that post is just astounding, but it's exactly what I would expect from someone who reads Richard Justice.

If/when A&M OU and Mizzou leave, then yes Texas will be alone in a conference that will quickly die. Texas will go independant, as they have burned bridges with the PAC 10 and SEC. The Big 10 may invite them but probably not. Texas' arrogance has rubbed many of the other conference members the wrong way and they may be left holding the bag. They will land on their feet, no doubt, but will not be as powerful as they have been in the Big XII

Dutchrudder
12-04-2010, 12:44 PM
If/when A&M OU and Mizzou leave, then yes Texas will be alone in a conference that will quickly die. Texas will go independant, as they have burned bridges with the PAC 10 and SEC. The Big 10 may invite them but probably not. Texas' arrogance has rubbed many of the other conference members the wrong way and they may be left holding the bag. They will land on their feet, no doubt, but will not be as powerful as they have been in the Big XII

I just don't see any way that UT somehow gets orphaned into going independent. Even if they do, which sounds unlikely, they will probably wind up like Notre Dame and be successful. There is just too much money surrounding that school to leave them without an invite to the Pac-10 or SEC. The Big 10 is probably a stretch, but it was supposedly a possibility in the last offseason. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing A&M and OU go to the SEC, and I think it would be a lot more interesting, but they are both getting a lot of money over the next 2 years from Nebraska and Colorado leaving, so I doubt we will see any movement until 2013.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 12:55 PM
I just don't see any way that UT somehow gets orphaned into going independent. Even if they do, which sounds unlikely, they will probably wind up like Notre Dame and be successful. There is just too much money surrounding that school to leave them without an invite to the Pac-10 or SEC. The Big 10 is probably a stretch, but it was supposedly a possibility in the last offseason. I certainly wouldn't mind seeing A&M and OU go to the SEC, and I think it would be a lot more interesting, but they are both getting a lot of money over the next 2 years from Nebraska and Colorado leaving, so I doubt we will see any movement until 2013.

The word I have heard is that A&M and either Mizzou or OU will move to the SEC after this summer after the Texas Legislature meets. This is so that A&M has time to smooth ruffled feathers and not give the legislature the ability to quickly pull funding as a punitive measure (which they threatened to do this last time). As far as Texas goes, the PAC10 got burned when the move they arranged with Texas fell through (thanks in part to A&M) and reportedly wanted Texas as a package deal with the other schools. Texas by itself is attractive, but Texas loses many prime time games and the travel costs for all sports jump up big time. The SEC would like Texas, but many members are miffed at the shots Texas has taken at the conference in regards to academic standards and stature and would love to give Texas the proverbial finger by inviting their 2 biggest rivals and not them. The Big 10 won't let Texas have their own network, which Texas has already signed with ESPN, so that is pretty much out. The fact that Texas has scheduled so many big name OOC games shows they feel that going indy maybe in their near future.

Add in the fact that Texas is going to be getting $12M more than any other Big XII school, plus the loss of a championship game and you have A&M, OU and Mizzou looking to move to greener pastures.

Dan B.
12-04-2010, 01:30 PM
OU won't ditch Texas and OSU. Even Justice said as much:

OU's biggest game is against Texas, its second-biggest against Oklahoma State. It's possible nothing would have kept Nebraska in the fold, and the Big 12 is poorer because of it.

OU has said it's probably not going anywhere without UT. A&M showed last summer it's married to no one, and so, sometime in the not-too-distant future, the Aggies could be gone.

I also think Justice has a fair point about what the Big 12 should do. I could see the Big 12 expanding. BYU would be a perfect fit -- they have their own multimillion dollar network and would be allowed to keep it in the Big 12. UT's independent network sets a very lucrative and (so far) unique precedent. I think some are underestimating the value of that particular bargaining chip.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 01:31 PM
OU won't ditch Texas and OSU. Even Justice said as much:





I also think Justice has a fair point about what the Big 12 should do. I could see the Big 12 expanding. BYU would be a perfect fit -- they have their own multimillion dollar network and would be allowed to keep it in the Big 12. UT's independent network sets a very lucrative and (so far) unique precedent. I think some are underestimating the value of that particular bargaining chip.

OU isn't going to let Texas get 30% more revenue every year if there are better deals being offered. Even if they do because they can't shake off OSU, Mizzou will jump at the chance to go to the SEC.

Lose A&M and Mizzou and the conference folds. Bank on it. Even inviting BYU or some other school will make it basically the Big East and still without a championship game.

IDEXAN
12-04-2010, 01:50 PM
The word I have heard is that A&M and either Mizzou or OU will move to the SEC after this summer after the Texas Legislature meets.

Very interesting about Mizzou, which may want out of the Big 12 and out from under the thumb of UT more than any other school, and yet they seem to be having maybe the most difficulty selling their school/program which puzzles me ? After Texas, Missouri is easily the most populous state in the
conference with fairly substantial TV markets in KC & STL.
Missouri has been very overt about it's interest in going to the Big 10, but maybe would settle for the SEC just for the change in scenery ? I'm still surprised that the Big 10 wanted Nebraska over Mizzou, notwithstanding the Cornhuskers great football program/tradition ?

Dan B.
12-04-2010, 01:55 PM
OU isn't going to let Texas get 30% more revenue every year if there are better deals being offered. Even if they do because they can't shake off OSU, Mizzou will jump at the chance to go to the SEC.

Lose A&M and Mizzou and the conference folds. Bank on it. Even inviting BYU or some other school will make it basically the Big East and still without a championship game.

OU can make additional revenue in the Big 12 that they couldn't in the SEC. They've said before that they will go where Texas and Oklahoma State go. I know they were rumored to jump to the SEC with A&M, but that seemed to be all on Aggie boards and from what I remember Oklahoma never made any claims or even fed the rumors.

I don't think the SEC would take just Mizzou and A&M. Have they said they are even looking at expanding? The pie would be split too many ways, and I'm not sure that those two would bring enough revenue to pay for themselves. IMO the SEC is happy with things the way they are now. They will expand if they have to, but they will only do so as a reaction to a major move from another conference (a la the Pac 10 megadeal last offseason). Their goal isn't really to expand -- it is to make sure no one else takes the top spot from them. If something drastic happens (Notre Dame joining the Big 10 perhaps?) then the SEC may do something, but I don't see them randomly poaching teams. Too many small schools like the deal they have there and wouldn't support adding more mouths at the trough.

TexansSeminole
12-04-2010, 02:14 PM
So, did I miss something?

Why would the SEC want A&M? For representation in Texas? IMO, A&M would get beat up in the SEC in both the team and conference's current state.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 02:24 PM
So, did I miss something?

Why would the SEC want A&M? For representation in Texas? IMO, A&M would get beat up in the SEC in both the team and conference's current state.

SEC wants to expand into Texas and bring in the big Texas markets (and thus a larger payout from the networks). We'll see how A&M competes against the SEC in the Cotton bowl. A&M played Arkansas tight (a likely BCS team) and had Tannehill played that game, likely would have won.

Dan B.
12-04-2010, 02:46 PM
SEC wants to expand into Texas and bring in the big Texas markets (and thus a larger payout from the networks). We'll see how A&M competes against the SEC in the Cotton bowl. A&M played Arkansas tight (a likely BCS team) and had Tannehill played that game, likely would have won.

I agree that A&M is rapidly improving in football (they are already very good at most other sports), and I'm not saying they couldn't compete in the SEC. I just don't think they can individually pull in enough to pay for themselves, especially when coupled with Mizzou -- who I am not so sure would want to go to the SEC even if an invite were offered. Mizzou doesn't own Missouri simply because they are the only major football program in the state. St. Louis has a ton of graduates from Illinois, Nebraska, OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, and other midwestern schools. The University of Kansas is half an hour from Kansas City, MO. That connection doesn't exist between St. Louis residents and the University of Alabama.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 03:13 PM
I agree that A&M is rapidly improving in football (they are already very good at most other sports), and I'm not saying they couldn't compete in the SEC. I just don't think they can individually pull in enough to pay for themselves, especially when coupled with Mizzou -- who I am not so sure would want to go to the SEC even if an invite were offered. Mizzou doesn't own Missouri simply because they are the only major football program in the state. St. Louis has a ton of graduates from Illinois, Nebraska, OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana, and other midwestern schools. The University of Kansas is half an hour from Kansas City, MO. That connection doesn't exist between St. Louis residents and the University of Alabama.
I agree, which is why I think OU will be the one to jump. The question will be can they get their legislature to shake them lose from OSU or can they get a deal to bring them along. I know OU has publicly said that they will follow Texas but I've heard they, like A&M, are not happy that Texas is going to be generating 30% more revenue and are quietly setting thing up to jump ship when the time is right. Texas also knows that the Big XII is likely doomed and while they will work to keep it together, they also are making plans should the conference fold.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 03:19 PM
I've been saying 30% more revenue but I was wrong. The Longhorn Network deal is $15M per year, so with the addition to the $20M from the conference that is 75% more revenue than the other teams. No way that OU agrees to their rival that big of an advantage.

Dan B.
12-04-2010, 03:26 PM
I agree, which is why I think OU will be the one to jump. The question will be can they get their legislature to shake them lose from OSU or can they get a deal to bring them along. I know OU has publicly said that they will follow Texas but I've heard they, like A&M, are not happy that Texas is going to be generating 30% more revenue and are quietly setting thing up to jump ship when the time is right. Texas also knows that the Big XII is likely doomed and while they will work to keep it together, they also are making plans should the conference fold.

Where are you hearing this?

I've been saying 30% more revenue but I was wrong. The Longhorn Network deal is $15M per year, so with the addition to the $20M from the conference that is 75% more revenue than the other teams. No way that OU agrees to their rival that big of an advantage.

What's stopping OU or A&M from setting up their own network? And how much more than $20 million can they make in the SEC, where they never can?

Stemp
12-04-2010, 04:09 PM
Where are you hearing this?

Various 2nd hand sources of Big 12 insiders. What makes me think its true is that multiple sources from different schools are saying similar things. But no one wants to be the first one to make a big move, especially A&M before the legislature meets.


What's stopping OU or A&M from setting up their own network? And how much more than $20 million can they make in the SEC, where they never can?
Texas is pretty much the only school that will have its own network. The other Big XII schools wanted to set up a conference network similar to the Big 10 but Texas wouldn't go along because they wanted their own deal. It's hard for one school to come up with enough programming for a full time channel, but I guess Texas found a way.

As far as the $20M payout, its highly unlikely that the Big XII will be able to come up with that money for all 3 schools. The TV deals that are supposed to support this haven't been signed (only an "understanding") and the money for this year and next was supposed to come from the Neb and CU but they negotiated much lower deals. Its likely this is the excuse that A&M will use to make the jump, basically saying they promised $20M for A&M to stay and now they can't pay. And like I've said, all the schools know this is coming down the pike and they are all working to make sure their school isn't left holding the bag with nowhere to go and no negotiating power.

Texas won't make NEARLY as much as an indy that they will as a member of a conference. That is why they are trying to keep the Big XII together a long as possible because they currently will be the highest revenue school with the deal they signed with ESPN, but if the conference folds and they go indy, they probably don't make much more than the $15M for the deal they just signed.

Dan B.
12-04-2010, 04:36 PM
I know there is a large number of A&M fans that want to bail on their brothers, but I haven't heard any others. Assuming there are, it still takes two to tango. If A&M or OU aren't valuable enough to earn a $15 million/year tv deal, why would the SEC want to add them to a group that earns $20 mil apiece right now? It's a loss for them. The SEC already has penetration in Texas. Their tv deals with espn and CBS were national deals. There's no SEC network that can negotiate tv rights for homes in TX. Why would CBS pay 40 million more? What do they get out of it?

Stemp
12-04-2010, 04:49 PM
I know there is a large number of A&M fans that want to bail on their brothers, but I haven't heard any others. Assuming there are, it still takes two to tango. If A&M or OU aren't valuable enough to earn a $15 million/year tv deal, why would the SEC want to add them to a group that earns $20 mil apiece right now? It's a loss for them. The SEC already has penetration in Texas. Their tv deals with espn and CBS were national deals. There's no SEC network that can negotiate tv rights for homes in TX. Why would CBS pay 40 million more? What do they get out of it?

LSU bring some of the Houston and Beaumont markets, but A&M and OU would bring in more of Houston, plus Dallas, Ft Worth, and San Antonio, all of which are big TV markets. That makes the conference more valuable as more TVs will be watching SEC games so the networks would renegotiate their deals, especially if the Big XII dies or loses appeal by replacing A&M and OU with smaller or same market schools (like TCU). Most footballs games aren't shown nationally just regionally, so if the conference is in more big TV markets, they are more valuable.

Stemp
12-04-2010, 04:55 PM
BTW, the Big XII has never paid out $20M to their schools, with the highest amount being around $12M I believe. And to think that losing 2 schools, especially a national powerhouse like Nebraska, suddenly makes the conference more valuable is simply a joke. Bebee is scrambling to come up with the cash, but unless other schools agree to take less than A&M, the promised amount won't be met. So this $20M that everyone keep referring probably won't happen. The agreement is basically a way to give everyone a chance to get their ducks in a row and to see if Bebee can actually come up with the cash with no renegotiated contracts and with less buyout money than they thought they would get.

BIG 12 2008-09 REVENUE SHARING
1. Oklahoma, $12.2 million
2. Texas, $11.8 million
3. Kansas, $11.5 million
4. Missouri, $10.4 million
5. Texas A&M, $10.2 million
6. Oklahoma State, $10.0 million
7. Colorado, $9.77 million
8. Nebraska, $9.73 million
9. Texas Tech, $9.2 million
10. Baylor, $9.1 million
11. Iowa State, $8.9 million
12. Kansas State, $8.4 million

kiwitexansfan
12-04-2010, 08:51 PM
Roy Helu Jr!!

Alex Henery!!

Love those guys, hope to see them on Sundays next year. Wouldn't mind Henery wearing Steel Blue, Battle Red and Liberty White.

Dutchrudder
12-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Nebraska is challenging an INT ruled a fumble. Replay showed his knee down, Nebraska gets to keep the ball on the OU 15. Guess there isn't a conspiracy against them.....

kiwitexansfan
12-04-2010, 09:13 PM
Nebraska is challenging an INT ruled a fumble. Replay showed his knee down, Nebraska gets to keep the ball on the OU 15. Guess there isn't a conspiracy against them.....

I thought that was looking like OU ball too.

Kyler Reed for the TD, dude has GREAT hands for a TE.

kiwitexansfan
12-04-2010, 09:30 PM
Martinez needs to learn to settle instead of trying to extend plays indefinitely and force the issue.

He'll never be a good QB till he learns that.

Mr. Texan
12-04-2010, 09:54 PM
alex henry is automatic

kiwitexansfan
12-04-2010, 09:59 PM
alex henry is automatic

Indeed.

LonerATO
12-04-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm rooting for Oklahoma. I might be a UT fan, but I do not want to see Nebraska win it on their way to the Big Ten.

I am with you on that

Mr. Texan
12-04-2010, 11:45 PM
must suck to be a Nebraska fan.

lose a close one to texas last year
think you're going to get redemption next year vs texas only to lose again
then lose a close one to ou

what a way to leave the big 12

kiwitexansfan
12-05-2010, 09:39 AM
You can't expect to win with such an anemic offense.

Martinez is not a good QB. Makes terrible decisions all the time.

I seriously question the play calling too, seems they don't go with what they do best enough, which is pounding the rock with Helu and Burkehead.

Oh, well at least one of my football teams has an offense.

axman40
12-05-2010, 09:44 AM
You can't expect to win with such an anemic offense.

Martinez is not a good QB. Makes terrible decisions all the time.

I seriously question the play calling too, seems they don't go with what they do best enough, which is pounding the rock with Helu and Burkehead.

Oh, well at least one of my football teams has an offense.
Turnovers cost the Husker's the game.

kiwitexansfan
12-05-2010, 10:46 AM
Turnovers cost the Husker's the game.

I believe the Huskers led the nation in fumbles.

Just poor execution, and bad judgment... not a winning combination.

Oh well at least things get easier next year with only Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Ohio State to worry about.

Stemp
12-05-2010, 11:29 AM
I believe the Huskers led the nation in fumbles.

Just poor execution, and bad judgment... not a winning combination.

Oh well at least things get easier next year with only Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Ohio State to worry about.

And more money :spin: