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ThaShark316
12-03-2010, 11:22 AM
Just an opinion of mine.

If Kubiak gets his pink slip, there is little to no chance Bob McNair will hire on these big names. Not going to happen. So if you happen to see Gary Kubiak, you know, the dude with the aggie milkman haircut, the coach you might see is a Brad Childress or some retread that has coaching experience, but not a BIG name.

If I'm wrong, then fine, I'll admit I was wrong, but it's just a feeling/opinion I have.

BigBull17
12-03-2010, 11:25 AM
I don't want any form of college coach. I don't care how well they did, it just doesn't work enough. No Chilly the Child Molester either.

Double Barrel
12-03-2010, 11:30 AM
The next head coach hire will define Bob McNair.

He was a noob owner in 2001 and did not know that Casserly was not actually the great GM the other owners convinced him about. Casserly assembled a bunch of coaches that seemed to have decent resumes, but that is far from assembling a cohesive cast.

He went with his college buddy for advice in Dan Reeves and brought in the Kubiak Kids Club, as lots of teams hire unproven coordinators as head coaches with success.

However, almost a decade into it, he should have a firm grasp on the basic understanding of the value of hiring qualified front office personnel. No more inexperienced "up and comers". No more hometown boy stories. No more glossy marketing campaigns.

But, will McNair dare to hire a coach that might not be his personality type, the soft-spoken 'awe shucks' good ol' boy? Could he handle a Parcells or Cowher?

I tend to agree with ThaShark. McNair either keeps Kubiak with a scapegoated Bush replaced with someone like Wade, or he hires a Chili-type mild-mannered coordinator.

I'll be shocked if he busts out with a bold decision in January.

houstonspartan
12-03-2010, 11:43 AM
How do we know that McNair won't go after one of the big names? We don't know that for sure.

Let's not forget the two players that McNair singled out this year as his favorites: Brian Cushing and Bernard Pollard. Why? Because they were tough, aggressive players. He saw how those two played and he liked it.

I think McNair is slowly getting tired of the "nice" guy thing, and is willing to bring in someone who is a bit more aggressive.

Mr. White
12-03-2010, 11:50 AM
Looks like we're already getting that coach.

I heard Granato say this morning that the word around the campfire is that Kubiak is staying, no matter what.

The good news is that we can expect a change at DC, and Kubiak won't have anything to do with the decision.

I guess that means Rick Smith will be in on it instead. :brickwall:

Bigbots_02
12-03-2010, 11:51 AM
Lol... I dont know why I keep checking NFL website to see whether or not Ill see a headline like: Def Coach Frank Bush fired... Maybe its just my wishful thinking.

gtexan02
12-03-2010, 11:53 AM
Thing is, so far, all of McNairs hires have been pretty good. His problem is sticking with them too long.

Capers was considered an excellent candidate to take an expansion team under his wing and build them correctly.

After all his success in Denver, Kubiak was widely considered to be an excellent up and coming guy.


The best hires I can think of recently:
Ryan - Jets - Ex Coordinator
Mike Smith - Falcons - Ex Coordinator
Harbaugh - Ravens - Ex Coordinator

houstonspartan
12-03-2010, 11:57 AM
Looks like we're already getting that coach.

I heard Granato say this morning that the word around the campfire is that Kubiak is staying, no matter what.

The good news is that we can expect a change at DC, and Kubiak won't have anything to do with the decision.

I guess that means Rick Smith will be in on it instead. :brickwall:

I don't buy that at all. No matter what? If we lose the rest of the games Kubiak keeps his job? Not going to happen.

I'm a season ticket holder, and last night I was huddling-texting-talking with other season ticket holders. There was a lot of serious talk about buying flat-screens next year and hosting parties at someone's house. No joke.

Season ticket holders are fed up. Money does not grow on trees.

DexmanC
12-03-2010, 12:00 PM
I don't buy that at all. No matter what? If we lose the rest of the games Kubiak keeps his job? Not going to happen.

I'm a season ticket holder, and last night I was huddling-texting-talking with other season ticket holders. There was a lot of serious talk about buying flat-screens next year and hosting parties at someone's house. No joke.

Season ticket holders are fed up. Money does not grow on trees.

I couple friends of mine have turned their PSL's in to cash machines, by
Stubhubbing's their tickets. They've been getting close to 3k a week
for quite a few of the games.

texanhead08
12-03-2010, 12:00 PM
I expect Kubes to stay unless we get blown out the next few games. I don't expect Bush and Gibbs to return next season.

nero THE zero
12-03-2010, 12:01 PM
Thing is, so far, all of McNairs hires have been pretty good. His problem is sticking with them too long.

Capers was considered an excellent candidate to take an expansion team under his wing and build them correctly.

After all his success in Denver, Kubiak was widely considered to be an excellent up and coming guy.


The best hires I can think of recently:
Ryan - Jets - Ex Coordinator
Mike Smith - Falcons - Ex Coordinator
Harbaugh - Ravens - Ex Coordinator
Harbaugh wasn't a coordinator, FWIW. He was a ST coach and coached DB one year to make it eaiser for him to land a HC gig.

There's actually a long, long line of non-coordinators turned successful HC (we faced one last night).

So far as the OP goes, I agree with Mr White, Kubiak will stay with his third(!) DC. I feel like that's destined to be Wade Phillips. I think that team could win, too.

houstonspartan
12-03-2010, 12:04 PM
I expect Kubes to stay unless we get blown out the next few games. I don't expect Bush and Gibbs to return next season.

See, that's the thing, why is everyone just accepting that Kubes will return? I'm sick of "Oh well. We're stuck with him" talk. We should be FURIOUS that he may return.

Frank Bush will be yet another scapegoat, and Kubiak will get another pass, and the fans seem ok with it.

Fuc-----g pisses me off.

Mr. White
12-03-2010, 12:06 PM
I don't buy that at all. No matter what? If we lose the rest of the games Kubiak keeps his job? Not going to happen.

I'm a season ticket holder, and last night I was huddling-texting-talking with other season ticket holders. There was a lot of serious talk about buying flat-screens next year and hosting parties at someone's house. No joke.

Season ticket holders are fed up. Money does not grow on trees.

Bob McNair has a money tree at 1 Reliant Park. The only way for season ticket holders to speak up is to not show up.

There were a lot of angry letters from season ticket holders Carr's last year here, IIRC.

Double Barrel
12-03-2010, 12:15 PM
How do we know that McNair won't go after one of the big names? We don't know that for sure.

No, we don't know anything for sure.

However, we can look at history for trends.

Bob LIKES Gary. That alone buys loyalty, which equates to more patience, which means more time.

History reveals that Bob liked HWWNBN. In spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Bob thought he could be a good QB, so he not only extended the contract of said player, but based his interviews (allegedly) of HC candidates on their perspective of the potential of HWWNBN.

As far as big name coaches; Again, look at his M.O. and history. Bob's personality is mild-mannered and soft-spoken. He's hired coaches that possess these same traits. And one this is for certain, with the exception of Dungy, the rest of the big name HC's talked about are certainly not mild-mannered and soft-spoken.

Let's not forget the two players that McNair singled out this year as his favorites: Brian Cushing and Bernard Pollard. Why? Because they were tough, aggressive players. He saw how those two played and he liked it.

I do not think player hires are relative to coaching hires. Nothing in McNair's history seems to indicate a direct correlation between the two.

I think McNair is slowly getting tired of the "nice" guy thing, and is willing to bring in someone who is a bit more aggressive.

I think you are grasping at optimistic straws, and I certainly cannot fault you for that.

However, I see nothing to indicate that he's tired of the nice guy thing, and if anything, I see the scene being set for Gary v.6 in 2011.

ThaShark316
12-28-2010, 04:37 PM
Bump.

With the newest rumors about the Texans...It's gonna be this, likely.

TheMatrix31
12-28-2010, 04:55 PM
I DONT want Jeff Fisher, Marty Schottenheimer, or Brad Childress.

Ole Miss Texan
12-28-2010, 04:56 PM
I don't want Jon Gruden. Don't ask me why, but I have no confidence in him making this franchise better.

ThaShark316
12-28-2010, 04:58 PM
Ok folks...let's do this...

make this thread a "I dont want this guy here"

and...GO. (no Kubiak, seriously)

Ghostform
12-28-2010, 05:01 PM
I dont want anyone from Denver.

TexanAggie89
12-28-2010, 07:28 PM
I was just thinking about it. Why does everyone say that McNair doesnt or is too cheap to hire a big name coach? Answer me this, Capers was available, and he took the panthers (an expansion team) to the NFC championship. I think thats a pretty good gamble.

Kubes- was a hot name coming out when we fired Capers

Oh yea, and looking at it, there was NO big names available ANY TIME we have had a coaching vacancy up until now. So what makes you think McNair wont go for a big name?

Playoffs
12-28-2010, 07:35 PM
I don't want Jon Gruden. Don't ask me why, but I have no confidence in him making this franchise better.

I dont want anyone from Denver.

I DONT want ... Marty Schottenheimer, or Brad Childress.
Agree with above.

BattleRedToro
12-28-2010, 08:08 PM
I DONT want Jeff Fisher, Marty Schottenheimer, or Brad Childress.

Why don't you want Marty Schottenheimer?

ThaShark316
12-28-2010, 08:10 PM
Why don't you want Marty Schottenheimer?

Doesn't want to go 13-3 and then blow the 1st playoff game. lol

BattleRedToro
12-28-2010, 08:12 PM
Doesn't want to go 13-3 and then blow the 1st playoff game. lol

You mean 14-2.

ThaShark316
12-28-2010, 08:17 PM
You mean 14-2.

That, too.

Arian Foster and the OL would love him haha

TheMatrix31
12-28-2010, 08:23 PM
Why don't you want Marty Schottenheimer?


He's an old, stubborn man. I think the game has passed him by. Marty Ball is an eyesore. Honestly, it'd be great to have the good record and all that, but dude has a track record of flaming out. I don't think he'd do much for us. And I don't want him to castrate Andre Johnson.

BattleRedToro
12-28-2010, 08:47 PM
He's an old, stubborn man. I think the game has passed him by. Marty Ball is an eyesore. Honestly, it'd be great to have the good record and all that, but dude has a track record of flaming out. I don't think he'd do much for us. And I don't want him to castrate Andre Johnson.

Sign me up for that "eyesore". The man has had only 2 seasons below .500 out of 21.5 seasons.

JB
12-28-2010, 08:52 PM
Sign me up for that "eyesore". The man has had only 2 seasons below .500 out of 21.5 seasons.

It's a moot point. He has stated he is no longer interested in coaching.

TheMatrix31
12-28-2010, 08:55 PM
It's a moot point. He has stated he is no longer interested in coaching.


Exactly.

Texan_Bill
12-28-2010, 08:59 PM
Sign me up for that "eyesore". The man has had only 2 seasons below .500 out of 21.5 seasons.


No thanks!!!


.238! You know what .238 is??



.238 is his playoff record. Jeff Fisher "Curmudgeon".

BattleRedToro
12-28-2010, 09:41 PM
No thanks!!!


.238! You know what .238 is??



.238 is his playoff record. Jeff Fisher "Curmudgeon".

I'll take that as well.

What is the Texans current playoff record?

Oh that's right they've never even played a playoff game.

FirstTexansFan
12-28-2010, 09:49 PM
Love the varying opinions, but flat out, McNair will make the right choice. We'll have a big name coach this time around... hey, it's my fantasy, live with it ;)

Pantherstang84
12-28-2010, 09:56 PM
Love the varying opinions, but flat out, McNair will make the right choice. We'll have a big name coach this time around... hey, it's my fantasy, live with it ;)

Like Hue Jackson or Troy Calhoun?

TheMatrix31
12-29-2010, 02:30 AM
I'll take that as well.

What is the Texans current playoff record?

Oh that's right they've never even played a playoff game.

Then in three years we'll all be doing the same ***** and moan routine.

drs23
12-29-2010, 11:38 AM
Then in three years we'll all be doing the same ***** and moan routine.

What makes you think it will take three years. I'm doubling down on that it never stops. :kitten:

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 09:34 AM
Then in three years we'll all be doing the same ***** and moan routine.

At least then it will be bitching and moaning about losing in the playoffs instead of about not making the playoffs.

Txn_in_FL
12-30-2010, 09:45 AM
Lol... I dont know why I keep checking NFL website to see whether or not Ill see a headline like: Def Coach Frank Bush fired... Maybe its just my wishful thinking.

I've been hitting all the sites like crazy just hoping for some good news... don't feel bad.

Texas T
12-30-2010, 10:08 AM
We'll see the Bush fired headline on Monday.
I just don't see them firing him with one game left.
There is absolutely no reason to do that and it will make the team look bad.
Right now the 9ers will have to really work to get another coach in there because of the way they treated Singletary...If we will be keeping Kubs I really want to get a big name DC in.

scourge
12-30-2010, 11:06 AM
It's a moot point. He has stated he is no longer interested in coaching.

Yay, you used moot!!! Irritates me when in conversation someone refers to it as a mute point...

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 11:10 AM
We'll see the Bush fired headline on Monday.
I just don't see them firing him with one game left.
There is absolutely no reason to do that and it will make the team look bad.
Right now the 9ers will have to really work to get another coach in there because of the way they treated Singletary...If we will be keeping Kubs I really want to get a big name DC in.

Are you kidding? There are only 32 Head Coach jobs in the entire league. I seriously doubt that there won't be a list of several candidates that interview for that job.

JB
12-30-2010, 11:15 AM
Are you kidding? There are only 32 Head Coach jobs in the entire league. I seriously doubt that there won't be a list of several candidates that interview for that job.

Yeah!


Signed
Buffalo Bills

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 01:23 PM
Yeah!


Signed
Buffalo Bills

The Buffalo Bills are not the 49ers and yet they had no problem finding someone willing to be their Head Coach.

JB
12-30-2010, 01:27 PM
The Buffalo Bills are not the 49ers and yet they had no problem finding someone willing to be their Head Coach.

They has a lot of problems finding a head coach. How many turned them down? Point is, if you run your organization like crap and treat your coaches like crap, people aren't going to want to work for you.

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 01:46 PM
They has a lot of problems finding a head coach. How many turned them down? Point is, if you run your organization like crap and treat your coaches like crap, people aren't going to want to work for you.

Do the Bills currently have a Head Coach?

JB
12-30-2010, 01:48 PM
Do the Bills currently have a Head Coach?

Yes they do. Do you know who it is? Do you know who declined to interview with them?

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 01:51 PM
Yes they do. Do you know who it is? Do you know who declined to interview with them?

I know it is Chan Gailey. I do not know who declined an interview, do you?

wildroot
12-30-2010, 01:55 PM
I'm pretty sure McNair will have to interview several coaches before he just goes out and hires a replacement for Kubiak if thats the direction he goes. He at least has to satisfiy the minority interview required by the league.

infantrycak
12-30-2010, 01:59 PM
Do the Bills currently have a Head Coach?

Of course they do and all 32 teams always will have HC candidates. The question (and JB's valid point) is the quality of those candidates. The Bills did not have the same group of candidates to choose from. The Niners were dumb to fire Singletary with one game left.

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 02:00 PM
Yes they do. Do you know who it is? Do you know who declined to interview with them?

Do you know that the Bills were still able to interview multiple candidates, and that Gailey wasn't the only one that wanted the job?

The1ApplePie
12-30-2010, 02:02 PM
Hopefully we donít get the ultimate swerve.

Uncle Bob: Well, I have decided to fire Gary Kubiak after years of service.

Texans Fans: Yay!

UB: I will be replacing him with a young up-and-comer. A man with astounding charisma, a brilliant grasp of Xs and Os, and a man not afraid to shake the NFL to the very foundation.

TF: Yay!

UB: Since I donít understand football that well, he will also oversee all personnel decisions.

TF: Yay! Gruden! Gruden! Gruden!

UB: Josh McDaniels!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
12-30-2010, 02:08 PM
Hopefully we donít get the ultimate swerve.

Uncle Bob: Well, I have decided to fire Gary Kubiak after years of service.

Texans Fans: Yay!

UB: I will be replacing him with a young up-and-comer. A man with astounding charisma, a brilliant grasp of Xs and Os, and a man not afraid to shake the NFL to the very foundation.

TF: Yay!

UB: Since I donít understand football that well, he will also oversee all personnel decisions.

TF: Yay! Gruden! Gruden! Gruden!

UB: Josh McDaniels!



:spit:

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 02:09 PM
Of course they do and all 32 teams always will have HC candidates. The question (and JB's valid point) is the quality of those candidates. The Bills did not have the same group of candidates to choose from. The Niners were dumb to fire Singletary with one game left.

I agree that the Niners shouldn't have fired Singletary when they did but I doubt that would keep quality candidates from interviewing to replace him. It is more likely that good candidates would be resistant to interview based on what they perceive as a lack of support. In otherwords, a poor GM and an unwillingness to spend money on FA's would cause quality candidates to turn down an offer. Despite all of that the Bills were still able to interview Leslie Frasier who is a quality candidate by any measure. I think they may have been better off with him as their HC instead of Gailey, but that is just my opinion.

Double Barrel
12-30-2010, 03:00 PM
We'll see the Bush fired headline on Monday.
I just don't see them firing him with one game left.
There is absolutely no reason to do that and it will make the team look bad.
Right now the 9ers will have to really work to get another coach in there because of the way they treated Singletary...If we will be keeping Kubs I really want to get a big name DC in.

The 49ers are consulting with Bob Kraft, owner of the mighty Patriots, and bringing in Bill Parcells as a consultant, for their head coach search.

I doubt these two individuals are much concerned with how they fired Singletary.

Matter-of-fact, what it tells me is that the 49ers are serious about winning. They have a tradition to live up to. They have high standards that are focused on winning.

While the perpetual sad-sack Texans...well, they brag about consecutive sellouts, and honestly, that's all they've got to brag about.

RagingBull
12-30-2010, 03:23 PM
Hopefully we donít get the ultimate swerve.

Uncle Bob: Well, I have decided to fire Gary Kubiak after years of service.

Texans Fans: Yay!

UB: I will be replacing him with a young up-and-comer. A man with astounding charisma, a brilliant grasp of Xs and Os, and a man not afraid to shake the NFL to the very foundation.

TF: Yay!

UB: Since I donít understand football that well, he will also oversee all personnel decisions.

TF: Yay! Gruden! Gruden! Gruden!

UB: Josh McDaniels!


You sir are walking the negative rep line! That is too close to the truth for comfort. I can see it now, UB interviews Singletary to satisfy the minority requirement and then decides to go with Josh McDouchey:wadepalm:

BattleRedToro
12-30-2010, 04:59 PM
The 49ers are consulting with Bob Kraft, owner of the mighty Patriots, and bringing in Bill Parcells as a consultant, for their head coach search.

I doubt these two individuals are much concerned with how they fired Singletary.

Matter-of-fact, what it tells me is that the 49ers are serious about winning. They have a tradition to live up to. They have high standards that are focused on winning.

While the perpetual sad-sack Texans...well, they brag about consecutive sellouts, and honestly, that's all they've got to brag about.

I wish I could rep you, DB. You're so on point on this.