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taruky
09-26-2011, 08:44 AM
These same people that think Schaub does great are also the ones that would go to their grave thinking that David Carr was a great qb too and he just needed help.

Schaub would not start for very many teams around the league. Quit listening to 610 and being brainwashed into thinking that Schaub is some great qb. He's an average qb that can be your qb until you get a Super Bowl caliber qb, nothing more and nothing less.

Watch the game again yesterday and pretend like you are watching the Redskins and Dallas. Forget that it is Matt Schaub or that it is the Texans. Watch the one qb come unraveled and choke down the stretch while the other wins the game.

Doesn't matter if the Texans scored 55 points. The Saints kept coming and scored more. Green Bay had to score a lot to beat the Saints too, but guess what they kept scoring. They have a qb. We don't.

And you are basing this on conversations with all 30 GMs? Almost everything you put in this post is based on your emotion and not on facts.

Fact 1. Most experts put him on the next level of QBs after Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers, and Rogers.

Fact 2. Schaub has many , MANY times led clutch drives in the 4th quarter. Losing because the opponent gets the ball back and scores doesn't mean he's not clutch.

Fact 3. Yesterday the Texans came back and scored to take the lead late in the 4th. It's not clear to me why you consider that a choke job. QBs never throw an INT in the 4th? Or is not scoring a TD with 2 min left in the Superdome a choke job?

Fact 4. The Texans are averaging 30 points a game. Apparently you believe they are a 40 point a game talent team and Schaub is holding them back. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are not. Brees had tons of time and guys wide open on those last drives, Schaub did not.

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 05:51 PM
i'm soryy but dude is nothing without AJ. he sucks. used to think he was above average but now convinced he sucks. alex smith is what 4-1? i cant stand this dude anymore. he will never be more than average. our D is solid and dude is out of excuses

panamamyers
10-16-2011, 05:54 PM
If Schaub wasn't in such a great system with the greatest receiver of our time catching balls, he would be bottom ten in the league.
He's like Dante Culpepper, it was katy bar the door.

TexansBlood
10-16-2011, 06:04 PM
No AJ on the field makes Shaub look lost out there. We suck.

Textan
10-16-2011, 06:09 PM
I have never had faith in Schaub's ability to lead this team effectively. He has no scrambling ability, panics when the slightest pressure is present, and throws way too many passes inaccurately. He runs like a sloth on tranquilizers.

EllisUnit
10-16-2011, 06:14 PM
i mean he's so smart, hey lets burn 2 timeouts, hell we wont need them.

gafftop
10-16-2011, 06:17 PM
You know the saddest part is he is not getting any better as he gets more experience. I know you lose some physical skills as you age but hopefully your experience makes up for this. I don't see that in Schaub. JMO

playa465
10-16-2011, 06:19 PM
I have never had faith in Schaub's ability to lead this team effectively. He has no scrambling ability, panics when the slightest pressure is present, and throws way too many passes inaccurately. He runs like a sloth on tranquilizers.

:spit: LMAO...all we got for now, lets see how the year ends up

burro
10-16-2011, 06:20 PM
What's telling is that Schaub has failed to improve on any of his weaknesses since 2007. I would feel more comfortable with Schaub as the long term starter if I thought he was capable of progression, but it looks a lot like "what you see is what you get", lately. Schaub will never be good under pressure, will never have a "laser, rocket arm", will never be able to function with his AJ security blanket, and will never run a 40 in under 11 seconds. We either accept this or start looking toward the future. Kubiak and Rick Smith will likely have to go before the latter can begin.

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 06:21 PM
I'm thinking.... I'm thinking..... :thinking:










DUMBEST THREAD - EVAH!!

you still on the schaub wagon?

Hervoyel
10-16-2011, 06:36 PM
You know the saddest part is he is not getting any better as he gets more experience. I know you lose some physical skills as you age but hopefully your experience makes up for this. I don't see that in Schaub. JMO

He's really not. He's becoming less effective as the years go by, not more. I'm starting to think that we may have seen the best football Matt Schaub has to offer.

I'll go one step further and say that I'm ready to see what Matt Leinart can do in this system BUT.... having said that I don't think that a QB change is really the fundamental problem we're dealing with.

Our offense is pretty embarrassing. We have real issues imposing our will on defenses. We have exactly one "special talent" on offense and that's Andre Johnson. Apart from him we got parts that don't work unless they're in the company of..... Andre Johnson.

Arian Foster is outstanding.... when the threat of Andre Johnson is keep defenses from keying on him.

Owen Daniels, James Casey, Kevin Walter are all excellent receiving threats.... provided the defense is using its best players to cover Andre Johnson.

Jacoby Jones is **** on a stick. One appearance every three or four weeks doesn't not cut it. He has no business on an NFL roster and doesn't enter into this conversation.

Matt Schaub is a top-ten QB.... if he's got Andre Johnson to throw to.

We have the best offensive line in football unless Andre goes down. Then they can't keep their QB from getting pounded and can barely open up anything for Foster & Tate to run through.

Andre Johnson is our offense. He's amazing but that's not good enough. Building an offense where one guy goes down and the rest of it becomes worthless isn't good enough. Our offense is weak. They're mentally weak. They fold up like a cheap suit against all but the worst teams and sometimes they fold up against them too.

I've no doubt that Wade Phillips will build the defense he was brought in to build. Even without Mario it will be in the 10th to 15th range. That will be fine but the win/loss column won't get better because all along the dysfunctional offense has been just as guilty as the inept defense.

This doesn't get better until Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith are on their way out of town and no, promoting Wade Phillips to HC isn't gonna cut it.

I kind of want to see someone other than Schaub back there but I don't think making that change will alter our course. The change we need to make is at HC and GM. Until McNair sees that it doesn't even matter what happens at QB.

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 06:40 PM
He's really not. He's becoming less effective as the years go by, not more. I'm starting to think that we may have seen the best football Matt Schaub has to offer.

I'll go one step further and say that I'm ready to see what Matt Leinart can do in this system BUT.... having said that I don't think that a QB change is really the fundamental problem we're dealing with.

Our offense is pretty embarrassing. We have real issues imposing our will on defenses. We have exactly one "special talent" on offense and that's Andre Johnson. Apart from him we got parts that don't work unless they're in the company of..... Andre Johnson.

Arian Foster is outstanding.... when the threat of Andre Johnson is keep defenses from keying on him.

Owen Daniels, James Casey, Kevin Walter are all excellent receiving threats.... provided the defense is using its best players to cover Andre Johnson.

Jacoby Jones is **** on a stick. One appearance every three or four weeks doesn't not cut it. He has no business on an NFL roster and doesn't enter into this conversation.

Matt Schaub is a top-ten QB.... if he's got Andre Johnson to throw to.

We have the best offensive line in football unless Andre goes down. Then they can't keep their QB from getting pounded and can barely open up anything for Foster & Tate to run through.

Andre Johnson is our offense. He's amazing but that's not good enough. Building an offense where one guy goes down and the rest of it becomes worthless isn't good enough. Our offense is weak. They're mentally weak. They fold up like a cheap suit against all but the worst teams and sometimes they fold up against them too.

I've no doubt that Wade Phillips will build the defense he was brought in to build. Even without Mario it will be in the 10th to 15th range. That will be fine but the win/loss column won't get better because all along the dysfunctional offense has been just as guilty as the inept defense.

This doesn't get better until Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith are on their way out of town and no, promoting Wade Phillips to HC isn't gonna cut it.

I kind of want to see someone other than Schaub back there but I don't think making that change will alter our course. The change we need to make is at HC and GM. Until McNair sees that it doesn't even matter what happens at QB.

well put

Endcoachment
10-16-2011, 06:45 PM
I'm proud to have every player in our possession except Gary losebiak

DX-TEX
10-16-2011, 06:51 PM
stuff.

So basically Dre is to the Texans as Payton is to indy?

Trap_Star
10-16-2011, 06:52 PM
we're still in it...

http://fastbreak78.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/andrew-luck.jpg

...let's bring him back home.

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 06:59 PM
we're still in it...

http://fastbreak78.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/andrew-luck.jpg

...let's bring him back home.

trade the house

gafftop
10-16-2011, 07:11 PM
we're still in it...

http://fastbreak78.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/andrew-luck.jpg

...let's bring him back home.

No Indy will get because they don't have idiots in the FO. He will get to kick our butts for another 10 years. Sorry but this is my nightmare.

Trap_Star
10-16-2011, 07:15 PM
No Indy will get because they don't have idiots in the FO. He will get to kick our butts for another 10 years. Sorry but this is my nightmare.

lolwut?

polian is gonna take justin blackmon #1 overall. manning needs another weapon for next year.

PHAROAH
10-16-2011, 07:17 PM
Schaub has led us on too many comebacks and has shown he is a leader for me to give up on him. But, he does make too many dumb mistakes at times.What come back games that had any meaning!!!! Matt Shaub is a system QB and he is average so throw out the statistics because this is a qb oriented system where numbers are easily generated. Matt Shaub doesn't make the offense better and I think that Texans front office is garbage as well they need a complete makeover except for the defensive staff.

PHAROAH
10-16-2011, 07:20 PM
If OU's Landry Jones enters the 2012 NFL Draft we need to trade Matt Shaub and start over at the QB position with a who guy who is a proven winner & leader. Matt Shaub is garbage.

Maddict5
10-16-2011, 07:21 PM
He's really not. He's becoming less effective as the years go by, not more. I'm starting to think that we may have seen the best football Matt Schaub has to offer.

I'll go one step further and say that I'm ready to see what Matt Leinart can do in this system BUT.... having said that I don't think that a QB change is really the fundamental problem we're dealing with.

Our offense is pretty embarrassing. We have real issues imposing our will on defenses. We have exactly one "special talent" on offense and that's Andre Johnson. Apart from him we got parts that don't work unless they're in the company of..... Andre Johnson.

Arian Foster is outstanding.... when the threat of Andre Johnson is keep defenses from keying on him.

Owen Daniels, James Casey, Kevin Walter are all excellent receiving threats.... provided the defense is using its best players to cover Andre Johnson.

Jacoby Jones is **** on a stick. One appearance every three or four weeks doesn't not cut it. He has no business on an NFL roster and doesn't enter into this conversation.

Matt Schaub is a top-ten QB.... if he's got Andre Johnson to throw to.

We have the best offensive line in football unless Andre goes down. Then they can't keep their QB from getting pounded and can barely open up anything for Foster & Tate to run through.

Andre Johnson is our offense. He's amazing but that's not good enough. Building an offense where one guy goes down and the rest of it becomes worthless isn't good enough. Our offense is weak. They're mentally weak. They fold up like a cheap suit against all but the worst teams and sometimes they fold up against them too.



to be fair.. we have played two pretty good defences since aj got injured so the problem looks exaggerated right now.

ATXtexanfan
10-16-2011, 07:23 PM
to be fair.. we have played two pretty good defences since aj got injured so the problem looks exaggerated right now.

lol, so why bother going to the playoffs

Rey
10-16-2011, 07:30 PM
He's really not. He's becoming less effective as the years go by, not more. I'm starting to think that we may have seen the best football Matt Schaub has to offer.

I'll go one step further and say that I'm ready to see what Matt Leinart can do in this system BUT.... having said that I don't think that a QB change is really the fundamental problem we're dealing with.

Our offense is pretty embarrassing. We have real issues imposing our will on defenses. We have exactly one "special talent" on offense and that's Andre Johnson. Apart from him we got parts that don't work unless they're in the company of..... Andre Johnson.

Arian Foster is outstanding.... when the threat of Andre Johnson is keep defenses from keying on him.

Owen Daniels, James Casey, Kevin Walter are all excellent receiving threats.... provided the defense is using its best players to cover Andre Johnson.

Jacoby Jones is **** on a stick. One appearance every three or four weeks doesn't not cut it. He has no business on an NFL roster and doesn't enter into this conversation.

Matt Schaub is a top-ten QB.... if he's got Andre Johnson to throw to.

We have the best offensive line in football unless Andre goes down. Then they can't keep their QB from getting pounded and can barely open up anything for Foster & Tate to run through.

Andre Johnson is our offense. He's amazing but that's not good enough. Building an offense where one guy goes down and the rest of it becomes worthless isn't good enough. Our offense is weak. They're mentally weak. They fold up like a cheap suit against all but the worst teams and sometimes they fold up against them too.

I've no doubt that Wade Phillips will build the defense he was brought in to build. Even without Mario it will be in the 10th to 15th range. That will be fine but the win/loss column won't get better because all along the dysfunctional offense has been just as guilty as the inept defense.

This doesn't get better until Gary Kubiak & Rick Smith are on their way out of town and no, promoting Wade Phillips to HC isn't gonna cut it.

I kind of want to see someone other than Schaub back there but I don't think making that change will alter our course. The change we need to make is at HC and GM. Until McNair sees that it doesn't even matter what happens at QB.

The problem is not that we don't have aj.

The problem is that Matt schaub isn't going to beat anybody.

Load up on the run because shammy is not going to consistently make good throws and will only occasionally make great throws.

The receiving talent is not that bad.

PHAROAH
10-16-2011, 07:33 PM
well putMan look we go through this mess every damn season as soon as Andre Johnson gets hurt the offense no longer can sustain drives that's because the offense is built on one player at the wr position which is sad IMO. Most teams that are competitive have more than 1 wr look at Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Atlanta, New York Jets, New England, Baltimore, Indianapolis, San Diego, Dallas, Philadelphia etc. All those teams passing game don't drop off the map when their top wr is out of the lineup like the Texans do. That also says a lot about Matt Shaub he is not a qb that can carry his team he is system qb that put up nice numbers in a west coast offense the will create plenty of opportunities as long as the qb make the correct reads, Matt isn't a leader and he has proven this over the past 4 or 5 seasons.

fiasco west
10-16-2011, 07:33 PM
My thoughts on Schaub...

He doesn't have 'IT' and likely never will.

He's a good QB, top 10 QB but definitely not elite. But he's good enough to get this team to the **** post-season.

He seems to panic the moment he goes under pressure. Sure he's made some tough throws but the very moment the guy is hurried he either...

A.) Rolls out of the pocket and throws it away.
B.) Falls down and takes the sack.
C.) Throws an interception.
D.) makes a tough throw under pressure and makes the play.

IMO I see D rarely but I have no stats to back that up. I see A-C far too likely. Also there is nothing wrong with taking a sack or throwing the ball away...but he does this no matter the situation. There are times where the offense needs to score and taking a sack and throwing it away isn't a 'Good play'. He has to stand tall in the pocket and make some kind of play. We see it from the Elite even if they throw a INT because they are forcing it up...but if you do that who knows what happens? Your WR comes down with it or the defender gets a roughing the passer call...Maybe i'm being unfair to him but all those times we forced the Ravens to force FGs, I see the offense going down without a fight...meanwhile we see guys like Roethlisberger grind through the pressure or see Brees escape from the pocket and make a diving throw and never conceding defeat and I'm convinced that if this team ever wins the superbowl. It'll probably be because Andre or Cushing or someone had a amazing performance and not Schaub.

Still Matt is a good QB and I'm not for replacing him unless we are sure the guy we are replacing him with is a stud.

leebigeztx
10-16-2011, 07:36 PM
Schaub is like most qbs in the league. Schaub,cassell,smith, and the other who need manipulation by the coach/system or a plethera of talent. Those kind of qb have limited physical skills to elevate players around them. That's why I mentioned moss,edwards and guys like play oppowit3 of aj. All I head was how awesome a offense they had despite scoring 24ppg.

Mr. Texan
10-16-2011, 07:37 PM
If OU's Landry Jones enters the 2012 NFL Draft we need to trade Matt Shaub and start over at the QB position with a who guy who is a proven winner & leader. Matt Shaub is garbage.

yeah, but college is different game than the nfl.

mariowillshine15
10-16-2011, 07:40 PM
The way he gives up when touched by a defender is what kills me most.

No fight, no struggle to get loose, just full fetal.

I think Schaub is thinking it's two hand touch.

Maddict5
10-16-2011, 07:43 PM
lol, so why bother going to the playoffs

..because aj will be back...and we'll be at home..and we might be playing the pats/chargers/steelers etc who dont have such physical defences

PHAROAH
10-16-2011, 07:51 PM
yeah, but college is different game than the nfl.Dude look at the teams who have invested in young signal callers we have to start somewhere Matt Shaub is not getting it done he is not a winner period we have had 5 seasons to see it and he doesn't have it period. Look at the qb's that have come out in the past 6 or 7 years the teams made commitments at those positions through the Draft not a free agent who didn't really fit the system that they are running on offense. Matt Shaub isn't a franchise qb that you can build your future on he is just like Tony Romo they will never be more than a system qb that put up decent stats that will make people love them, but never really turning into a leader.


Ben Rothlisberger, Aaron Rogers, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Cameron Newton, Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Phillip Rivers etc.

Mr. Texan
10-16-2011, 07:59 PM
Dude look at the teams who have invested in young signal callers we have to start somewhere Matt Shaub is not getting it done he is not a winner period we have had 5 seasons to see it and he doesn't have it period. Look at the qb's that have come out in the past 6 or 7 years the teams made commitments at those positions through the Draft not a free agent who didn't really fit the system that they are running on offense. Matt Shaub isn't a franchise qb that you can build your future on he is just like Tony Romo they will never be more than a system qb that put up decent stats that will make people love them, but never really turning into a leader.


Ben Rothlisberger, Aaron Rogers, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Cameron Newton, Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Phillip Rivers etc.

really?

What about the Brady Quinns and JaMarcus Russells that don't pan out? Not every QB you draft will turn into Aaron Rogers.

Is Schaub elite? no, but he is nowhere near as terrible as some of you try to make him. I know some are frustrated but that's a rebuild move and the Texans are not near that point yet.

DX-TEX
10-16-2011, 08:19 PM
I just wished the guy showed some fire and passion for the game. he seems so methodical and unemotional out there.

Norg
10-16-2011, 09:13 PM
Im not rdy to hit the panic button just yet esp when this upcoming game will be a very important game

if we can beat

Tenn CLE and Tampa

then all will be well IMO

and IMO Schaub is not the problem right now .... so yall are saying yall want to see lineart .....be the QB ???? IDK about that right now IMO we are kinda stuck with Schaub

TheMatrix31
10-16-2011, 09:42 PM
Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

JVL713
10-16-2011, 09:57 PM
Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

I've thought about whether or not trading for either Bradford or the Rams pick as well. Bradford or Luck would both be better than Schaub in a few years, but I also feel like this team is built to win now.

However, having said that, I really don't see how using our first pick on a QB instantly puts us in a rebuilding stage as some have said. Out of our 11 first round picks in franchise history, 6 are currently on our team. One of which is Kareem Jackson, who nearly everyone sees as worthless, and another is Mario Williams, who's future with the team is uncertain. I'm not advocating wasting first rounders like we have, simply stating that we can survive without getting immediate use out of our first round pick.

Soo...to sum it all up. Yes, I would look at Bradford/Luck/RG3/any other promising QB in this upcoming draft.

TheMatrix31
10-16-2011, 10:23 PM
I wouldn't look at any other promising QB. Just Luck or Bradford. Obviously only Bradford b/c we're not drafting Luck, lol.

QB is nowhere near the problem. I'd rather spend our first rounder on a safety or another WR.

speedfreek
10-16-2011, 10:44 PM
doesn't matter if you have 3 top 10 receivers if your QB is going to skip the ball off the ground to them.

schaub isn't the same this year. he's choking because the expectations are high.

he'll compile good stats after the season becomes a waste due to losses at Tennessee and Jacksonville. (you know they will, they have mastered the choke under boobiak)

TJ

WolverineFan
10-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Just a random thought, thinking "out loud":

If it gets to a point where we're REALLY dismayed with Schaub (he did NOT have a bad game today at all, to think that Schaub is the problem right now is just so unbelievably absurd) and the guy who brought him here is gone....

What if the Rams really, REALLY suck all the way through and end up with #1 overall? They'd be dumb to not take Luck, even if they have Bradford. Kinda like SD a few years back. What if we tried to trade Schaub, get a pick or two for him, then flip those picks and add whatever else needed for Bradford?

Would a guy like Bradford be better in Houston? He obviously showed flashes of brilliance in STL last year but this year their team has been even more decimated by injury than we are.

Just random babble, with not much thought. What do you think?

Luck is THE perfect Quarterback for Kubiak's system. He's much more mobile than Schaub and would excel in the boot game. He's excellent off play action and is ridiculously accurate with a cannon arm. He's also a passionate leader and is not a coward like Schaub (he has skills, but the guy is a *****...sorry).

I've been dreaming about drafting Luck for over a year now, but I know it won't happen. I would trade all our picks next year for him though without hesitation. Best prospect since Manning and it's not close.

Rey
10-16-2011, 10:50 PM
Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

Oz Texan
10-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.

Rey
10-16-2011, 11:02 PM
Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.

I don't care about playing through pain. That's an expectation. I don't give him extra points for that.

As far as him keeping us in the game. . . Ok. I don't know if I agree with that, but I don't vehemently disagree with it either.

For me shammy is a level above a jag. Hes not a guy that is going to consistently make key plays.

But today I don't think he played bad. Just not awesome or great.

BigBull17
10-17-2011, 07:28 AM
I think you can catch lightning in a bottle with a rookie QB. Our defense looks good enough to maintain while a young pup gets his legs. I just don't think Schaub has it in him. He has one of the best olines in the game, and he folds like a Saigan whore when people get 5 feet away from him. The good qb's keep their eyes up even while getting hit. Matt just curls up and dies. Then, he limps off when HE is the one who sacked himself.

Texan_Bill
10-17-2011, 07:33 AM
Dumbest thread ever!!!


OH wait, I mispoke because it's too early Monday morning. Surely someone won't disappoint and come up with a dumber thread before noon. Check that, 8:00 am.

srrono
10-17-2011, 07:44 AM
Signed a six-year, $48 million contract. The deal included a $7 million signing bonus and a $10 million option in the fourth season. 2011: $5.7 million, 2012: $7.15 million, 2013: Free Agent

if texans are not going to resign then we must draft a QB 2012 or sign one 2013.

Double Barrel
10-17-2011, 02:25 PM
The way he gives up when touched by a defender is what kills me most.

No fight, no struggle to get loose, just full fetal.

I think Schaub is thinking it's two hand touch.

yeah, to see Flacco throwing a completion while two Texans defenders take him down was impressive.

Meanwhile, a Ravens defender gets blocked into Schaub and basically takes him down with a forearm. Schaub was already thinking fetal before contact. You can see it in his eyes. :eek:

HTown2ATX
10-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

Classic Texans.

coon
10-17-2011, 05:03 PM
Has anyone else noticed brock.osweiler from asu. Big kid strong arm. If he comes out and can be had in the third round I would love it. He probably needs a year or two before he is ready but most obs of the future will, and I can handle schaub for that long.

Hervoyel
10-17-2011, 06:05 PM
Also the man was is alot of pain today and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in the game.


I watched Dan Pastorini do this for years. He was in a lot of pain and stayed in there and for the most part kept us in games.

I'm impressed with the man but not so much the QB. By the time the third quarter was over only the most optimistic sunshine pumper thought the Texans were still in the game. Everyone else knew they'd begun their slow, likely pointless crawl to the final gun.

leebigeztx
10-17-2011, 06:29 PM
If they can draft a guy like rg3 in the 1st rd, they should. The way he's playing, he looks like a high mid rd 1st rd pick. The luxury they have is they have the time to develop a young gun and let schaub walk. The wvu kid is impressive also when I watch him. Having a guy with mobility and a big arm is key to this offense. The other issues can be adressed via free agency, but franchise qb are 1st rd picks. Brady is the exception to the rule. If you were ranking the top 10, 8 are 1st rd picks. That's just the way it is is a qb league.

thunderkyss
10-17-2011, 08:06 PM
Schaub didn't suck today.

He didn't step up and do anything special, but he wasnt awful.

This is where I'm at. I don't think he is a bad QB, I know he's got limitations, but he fits this system pretty well(I wish he'd come out of his roll a little faster on those bootlegs).

Sometimes, he looks like a warrior.... those last two drives in the Oakland game.. & sometimes he doesn't.

But we know all too well, if our pass rush doesn't get to the passer, the pass defense can only last so long... & all most of the time all you need is a split second. But when the team is struggling, we need him to get that extra second. Side step the rush, step up in the pocket, do something.

I mentioned this about Schaub back in 2008. 2009, he stepped up, the whole team did (that was the year Andre was bowling people over to get into the endzone). He looked like he had it. He was making plays from the pocket, when he left the pocket his eyes were down field & he was looking to make a play, not get out of bounds.

Now, it looks like he's saying, "Whew, I've done enough on this play, let me chunk it....." even though it's 3rd down.

Last year, when we got behind, Matt put the team on his shoulders several times, & made **** happen. The Skins game, the Chiefs, The Baltimore game.... he was in the zone, he was the guy we need him to be. Prevent defense, blah, blah, blah we came back to win those games (excluding the Ravens') & you don't play prevent when the game gets close.

So we know he's got it in him. We just need to see him let it out. That guy was elite. This chump we've seen this year, not so much.

Corrosion
10-17-2011, 08:26 PM
yeah, to see Flacco throwing a completion while two Texans defenders take him down was impressive.

Meanwhile, a Ravens defender gets blocked into Schaub and basically takes him down with a forearm. Schaub was already thinking fetal before contact. You can see it in his eyes. :eek:

Thats got to be the biggest thing for me .... He dont seem to have much "Fight" in him ..... Maybe Gary needs to make him practice while wearing a skirt .....

80tothezone
10-17-2011, 11:02 PM
Schaub has had the traits of a loser since the day he got here.
He just has absolutely no traits that a winner has.

He folds up under pressure. He never rises to the occasion. He just simply is not very good, bless his heart. He tries.....
He just is not good.

that is simply not true he has led several game winning drives down the field only to have a sub par D drop tbe ball with less than 1 min to play.... I will admit he does not quite look as good this yr but QB's have off yrs.

EVOLVIST
10-17-2011, 11:33 PM
I just wished the guy showed some fire and passion for the game. he seems so methodical and unemotional out there.

And this is the argument that I'll never understand.

Oh, I get a lot of the arguments against Schaub (whether I agree or disagree); but this one? No. What is Schaub supposed to do? Throw tantrums like Rivers? Lead an insane pre-game voodoo huddle like Brees?

I'm just not sure what sort of "fire" he's supposed to show on the sidelines, or what sort of facial expressions he is supposed to wear? Indeed, I think this topic is a prime example of couch-cuddling fans projecting their inner fantasies of the star athlete winthin themselves whose dreams of touchdowns and glory went as far south as their beer guts. Soft in the middle. Middle-aged treasures.

Or, look at it from another angle. I think Johnny Unitas, Bob Griese, Roger Staubach and Lenny Dawson, just to name a few, went pretty far as damn good QBs with faces so soft you could roast them over a fire between some chocolate and graham crackers.

Norg
10-18-2011, 02:44 AM
TBO if schaub does not pan out i want to bring in a really good Vet QB this franchise has never done that

EVOLVIST
10-18-2011, 08:36 AM
TBO if schaub does not pan out i want to bring in a really good Vet QB this franchise has never done that

Damn, double post.

EVOLVIST
10-18-2011, 08:38 AM
TBO if schaub does not pan out i want to bring in a really good Vet QB this franchise has never done that

By that you mean a real old QB, because I can't think of one right now who isn't a backup, or who isn't a franchise QB, who is in any way available.

Hasslebeck to the Titans is a recent move that fits this bill.

foster12
10-18-2011, 11:19 AM
Hasselback does fit that bill, but there are very few other examples. At least that I can think of.

Vinny
10-18-2011, 11:28 AM
Hasselback does fit that bill, but there are very few other examples. At least that I can think of.
hey, I think I saw Brett Favre sitting on a tractor....he's available. :kitten:

DX-TEX
10-18-2011, 02:40 PM
http://www.egmnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Gauntlet_638.jpg

Im done with Schaub if he can not out run some damn plodding zombies.

Corrosion
10-18-2011, 06:26 PM
hey, I think I saw Brett Favre sitting on a tractor....he's available. :kitten:

I'd almost take a shot with Favre .... There's fight in that dog.

Favre is the Anti-Schaub .... He'll take chances to make plays .... take a big shot to give his reciever a chance. Yes , he throws INT's ..... but its not for lack of effort.

ATXtexanfan
10-19-2011, 12:48 PM
so if schaub has a poor outing this weekend at tenn would you like to see leinart vs jags. i say do it.

silentassassin
10-19-2011, 12:52 PM
so if schaub has a poor outing this weekend at tenn would you like to see leinart vs jags. i say do it.

The only way this happens is if that poor outing includes a sidelining injury.

ATXtexanfan
10-19-2011, 12:57 PM
The only way this happens is if that poor outing includes a sidelining injury.

also, he's already banged up, i hope the line keeps him clean. if not kubiaks hand may indeed be forced. i know he's our best option when he's playing his best ball but i think his best ball is behind him. maybe a healthy leinart whos trying to prove his worth to houston and the rest of the league is what this team needs

infantrycak
10-19-2011, 01:07 PM
so if schaub has a poor outing this weekend at tenn would you like to see leinart vs jags. i say do it.

A poor Matt Schaub outing is better than a good Leinart outing. This crap has gotten ridiculous.

Grams
10-19-2011, 01:09 PM
a poor matt schaub outing is better than a good leinart outing. This crap has gotten ridiculous.

amen!!!!

TheMatrix31
10-19-2011, 01:14 PM
I'd almost take a shot with Favre .... There's fight in that dog.

Favre is the Anti-Schaub .... He'll take chances to make plays .... take a big shot to give his reciever a chance. Yes , he throws INT's ..... but its not for lack of effort.

I would stop being a Texans fan if that even came close to happening.

PHAROAH
10-19-2011, 02:27 PM
I would stop being a Texans fan if that even came close to happening.Well get ready my friend to find you another team because shaub is very consistent at losing games that we should win I have no faith in Matt Shaub!!!!

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 02:39 PM
i just dont know what anyone sees in him anymore

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 02:41 PM
Ha another pick. Right on cue

panamamyers
12-30-2012, 02:44 PM
texans dont have s sophisticsted fanbase. we dont understand the difference between a guy that qjust tries to not mske mistakes and plays with an efficient system like dilfer or schaub or someone like that and a gu that is good.

we are still learning to differentiate between the two as a fanbase.

schaub is exhibit a. he is a horrible qb thst would only start for two or three teams in the league

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 02:45 PM
Ha another pick. Right on cue

And you would blame Schaub on that pick...? Looked like a perfectly lead ball and Andre getting knocked off his route and tripped

Nice play by Davis

ajohnson80
12-30-2012, 02:46 PM
texans dont have s sophisticsted fanbase. we dont understand the difference between a guy that qjust tries to not mske mistakes and plays with an efficient system like dilfer or schaub or someone like that and a gu that is good.

we are still learning to differentiate between the two as a fanbase.

schaub is exhibit a. he is a horrible qb thst would only start for two or three teams in the league

I don't know even my mother who barely watches any games says he sucks lol

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 02:47 PM
texans dont have s sophisticsted fanbase. we dont understand the difference between a guy that qjust tries to not mske mistakes and plays with an efficient system like dilfer or schaub or someone like that and a gu that is good.

we are still learning to differentiate between the two as a fanbase.

schaub is exhibit a. he is a horrible qb thst would only start for two or three teams in the league

Couldn't agree more. Yet the qb coach extended him

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 02:48 PM
And you would blame Schaub on that pick...? Looked like a perfectly lead ball and Andre getting knocked off his route and tripped

Nice play by Davis

Ok benefit of the doubt, how bout the first pick? That's when the game changed

panamamyers
12-30-2012, 02:54 PM
marc vandermer is the only one that still has the wool over his eyes in regards to schaub. he is one of the three or four worst qbs in the league.
hes a loser.
always has been, always will be. winners arent made, they are born, and schaub just doesnt have what it takes period

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 02:58 PM
Ok benefit of the doubt, how bout the first pick? That's when the game changed

You weren't talking about the first pick, you blamed him on the second...

The other pick was on Schaub, his only problem is the long ball and it hurts us but he throw it right where it needed to be in the second pick

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 03:03 PM
You weren't talking about the first pick, you blamed him on the second...

The other pick was on Schaub, his only problem is the long ball and it hurts us but he throw it right where it needed to be in the second pick

but the other pick changed the game. all momentum lost. im done with his legacy which is failure. yates will still lead this team in playoff victories after next week,

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 03:04 PM
marc vandermer is the only one that still has the wool over his eyes in regards to schaub. he is one of the three or four worst qbs in the league.
hes a loser.
always has been, always will be. winners arent made, they are born, and schaub just doesnt have what it takes period

Dumb Comment... no way bottom three

Ryan
12-30-2012, 03:05 PM
Welcome me to the club. I even gave him the benefit of the doubt last week.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 03:07 PM
I am now in this club as well....thanks for the warm welcome :hurrah:

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 03:09 PM
but the other pick changed the game. all momentum lost. im done with his legacy which is failure. yates will still lead this team in playoff victories after next week,

I also saw our DB get beat badly for a long TD, on 3rd and 23... I say that was more of a momentum change...

panamamyers
12-30-2012, 03:10 PM
Dumb Comment... no way bottom three

Give me three worse ones
I'd rather have
Kapernick
Wilson
Bradford
Manning
Griffin
Romo
Foles
Cutler
Rodgers
Stafford
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Manning
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Brady
Tanneyhill
Locker
Henne
Luck

So that puts him at best in the mid 20's.

A lot of other guys are arguable better: Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer...
The only guys I would say he is definitely better than are Cassell/Quinn, Ponder and Sanchez

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 03:11 PM
I've been on this boat for a while now. Both him and Kubiak.

Iceman16
12-30-2012, 03:12 PM
Give me three worse ones
I'd rather have
Kapernick
Wilson
Bradford
Manning
Griffin
Romo
Foles
Cutler
Rodgers
Stafford
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Manning
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Brady
Tanneyhill
Locker
Henne
Luck

So that puts him at best in the mid 20's.

A lot of other guys are arguable better: Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer...
The only guys I would say he is definitely better than are Cassell/Quinn, Ponder and Sanchez
Rofl. Are you serious? I've pioneered Schaub hatering. He's better than Bradford, Romo, Foles, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Luck and Locker without question.

MistaRed
12-30-2012, 03:14 PM
I am now in this club as well....thanks for the warm welcome :hurrah:

Don't forget me....schaub has to go

amazing80
12-30-2012, 03:14 PM
Id like to welcome all the new members. It is still a small group, but we're growing and by next Sunday we will most likely double in size. Schaub is trash and will never lead us anywhere. When the game is meaningful he folds up like a lawn chair.

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 03:18 PM
Give me three worse ones
I'd rather have
Kapernick
Wilson
Bradford
Manning
Griffin
Romo
Foles
Cutler
Rodgers
Stafford
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Manning
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Brady
Tanneyhill
Locker
Henne
Luck

So that puts him at best in the mid 20's.

A lot of other guys are arguable better: Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer...
The only guys I would say he is definitely better than are Cassell/Quinn, Ponder and Sanchez

You can argue that Palmer or Kolb are better then Schaub i would love to hear that....

schaub > Henne, Cassel, Ponder, Sanchez, Locker/Hasselbeck, Gabbert/Henne, Tanneyhill, Fitzpatrick, Cutler, Foles, Kapernick, and i would put Rivers/Flacco in that arguement.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 03:26 PM
I also saw our DB get beat badly for a long TD, on 3rd and 23... I say that was more of a momentum change...

When was the last time you saw schaub beat a db on 3rd and 23 for a td . That's usually a fg for our qb

mussop
12-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Give me three worse ones
I'd rather have
Kapernick
Wilson
Bradford
Manning
Griffin
Romo
Foles
Cutler
Rodgers
Stafford
Ryan
Newton
Brees
Manning
Rivers
Fitzpatrick
Brady
Tanneyhill
Locker
Henne
Luck

So that puts him at best in the mid 20's.

A lot of other guys are arguable better: Josh Freeman, Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer...
The only guys I would say he is definitely better than are Cassell/Quinn, Ponder and Sanchez

You left out A Smith. :kitten:

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Rofl. Are you serious? I've pioneered Schaub hatering. He's better than Bradford, Romo, Foles, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Luck and Locker without question.

Lol, those guys can get the ball forty yards downfield. Schaubs biggest vice

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 03:30 PM
When was the last time you saw schaub beat a db on 3rd and 23 for a td . That's usually a fg for our qb


Now you are talking about WRs....

Iceman16
12-30-2012, 03:32 PM
Lol, those guys can get the ball forty yards downfield. Schaubs biggest vice
Your thinking with your heart, not your brain. Schaub's arm has never even been the issue.

burro
12-30-2012, 03:32 PM
When was the last time you saw schaub beat a db on 3rd and 23 for a td . That's usually a fg for our qb

Bingo. If it were Schaub and not Luck throwing that pass, it's probably picked.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 03:33 PM
You can argue that Palmer or Kolb are better then Schaub i would love to hear that....

schaub > Henne, Cassel, Ponder, Sanchez, Locker/Hasselbeck, Gabbert/Henne, Tanneyhill, Fitzpatrick, Cutler, Foles, Kapernick, and i would put Rivers/Flacco in that arguement.

You are so wrong here. Cutler, Kapernick, Rivers, and Flacco are all better QBs than Schaub. Texans need a new QB next season. I believed in Schaub until I saw Yates do things he could not do last season (evade tacklers, run for first downs, better arm....Yates made plays). This season, I believed in Schaub until I saw his scared face against the Patriots on MNF. Ever since then, this team and him have left such a bad taste in my mouth. He is not going to lead us anywhere except for one and done in the playoffs. In hindsight, maybe Wilson should have been picked up in the third instead of Posey or something. I don't know, but the Texans need to spend a top two round draft pick on a QB.

Unless Keenum is the future. At least he has an arm and is mobile. Also a smart QB.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 03:33 PM
Lol, those guys can get the ball forty yards downfield. Schaubs biggest vice

Schaub gets it 40 yards down field when there is a CB there to catch the ball, when it is one of our guys is when he greatly under throws.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 03:36 PM
Lol, those guys can get the ball forty yards downfield. Schaubs biggest vice

I remember when Schaub threw those bombs in Denver earlier in the season. I was like "yes, yes his arm has gotten stronger! i see more zip!" Then I was like...wait a minute, he is in DENVER. That thin air up there...

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 03:37 PM
schaub gets it 40 yards down field when there is a cb there to catch the ball, when it is one of our guys is when he greatly under throws.

dat accuracy brah!

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 03:38 PM
Now you are talking about WRs....

Dude at what point do you tire out chasing tour tail. A good qb makes the wr. A great wr catches jump balls. Or underthrown balls

SCOTTexans
12-30-2012, 03:55 PM
Dude at what point do you tire out chasing tour tail. A good qb makes the wr. A great wr catches jump balls. Or underthrown balls


We have way to many problems with this team for you to be singling out Schaub for all the them....

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:02 PM
We have way to many problems with this team for you to be singling out Schaub for all the them....

packers had problems and won the superbowl, brady and peyton never had elite Ds and won superbowls. our qb sucks

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 04:11 PM
packers had problems and won the superbowl, brady and peyton never had elite Ds and won superbowls. our qb sucks

Schaub does suck. He had me fooled for the first half of the season though. Turns out he is a fraud.

I would ride with Yates. He showed last year he can come back in games, doesnt give up, brought us back to win the division, and even won us a playoff game.

Schaub is going one and done next week. I am seriously considering not even watching.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Schaub does suck. He had me fooled for the first half of the season though. Turns out he is a fraud.

I would ride with Yates. He showed last year he can come back in games, doesnt give up, brought us back to win the division, and even won us a playoff game.

Schaub is going one and done next week. I am seriously considering not even watching.

Somebody bring back that Yates " I got this!" picture.

Premier
12-30-2012, 04:20 PM
Dude at what point do you tire out chasing tour tail. A good qb makes the wr. A great wr catches jump balls. Or underthrown balls

it was ty hilton with 3 texans dbs surrounding him, and this guy is talking about upgrading receivers.. luck made a play, stepped up in the pocket and threw a dart..

qqert
12-30-2012, 04:22 PM
anyone trying to explain kubiak/schaub's ineptitude:

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/LOL-CATS-lol-cats-2985832-500-399.jpg

Nawzer
12-30-2012, 04:25 PM
Schaub needs to go to the Manning Academy where he can improve his game along with all the high school kids there. Who knows he might learn something.

Texecutioner
12-30-2012, 04:26 PM
Schaub does suck. He had me fooled for the first half of the season though. Turns out he is a fraud.

I would ride with Yates. He showed last year he can come back in games, doesnt give up, brought us back to win the division, and even won us a playoff game.

Schaub is going one and done next week. I am seriously considering not even watching.

Your analyzation on Yates is apparently just as bad as it was on Schaub then if you think that Yates brought us back to win a division. Yates was nothing but a piece on a great team that was dragged to the playoffs after everything that was in place from Schaub last season. Yates didn't carry this team to anything. He almost cost us the division if anything when he couldn't even beat the Colts either last season when the COlts were 1-15.

And if you aren't going to watch the Texans in their 2nd playoff season ever, how in the hell do you call yourself a fan??? If we somehow win, please don't come back in here and act like you're along for the ride. I'll be rooting my team on despite how unhappy I am right now.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:26 PM
anyone trying to explain kubiak/schaub's ineptitude:

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/LOL-CATS-lol-cats-2985832-500-399.jpg

i'm done blaming kubiak. bad judgement on schaub. peyton carried caldwell to a superbowl in his first year and caldwell cost peyton

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:27 PM
i'm done blaming kubiak. bad judgement on schaub. peyton carried caldwell to a superbowl in his first year and caldwell cost peyton

Peyton cost himself with that pick six.

ESAD2-14
12-30-2012, 04:29 PM
Schaub does suck. He had me fooled for the first half of the season though. Turns out he is a fraud.

I would ride with Yates. He showed last year he can come back in games, doesnt give up, brought us back to win the division, and even won us a playoff game.

Schaub is going one and done next week. I am seriously considering not even watching.

You'll be there, just like the rest of us.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:31 PM
Peyton cost himself with that pick six.

yeah but caldwell had peyton run three ball three times heading into half with two timeouts. colts punted and saints hit a fg before half. saints onside kick coming out of half then score a td. 10 pt swing. caldwell had an elite qb sit on the ball with two timeouts. conservative play killed them. who does that remind you of?

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:32 PM
yeah but caldwell had peyton run three ball three times heading into half with two timeouts. colts punted and saints hit a fg before half. saints onside kick coming out of half then score a td. 10 pt swing. caldwell had an elite qb sit on the ball with two timeouts. conservative play killed them. who does that remind you of?

Absolutely he didn't help but Peyton had the ball in his hands with a chance to win the game and he messed up.

Can't ask for much more than your Hall of Fame QB having the ball with the game on the line.

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 04:34 PM
Your analyzation on Yates is apparently just as bad as it was on Schaub then if you think that Yates brought us back to win a division. Yates was nothing but a piece on a great team that was dragged to the playoffs after everything that was in place from Schaub last season. Yates didn't carry this team to anything. He almost cost us the division if anything when he couldn't even beat the Colts either last season when the COlts were 1-15.

And if you aren't going to watch the Texans in their 2nd playoff season ever, how in the hell do you call yourself a fan??? If we somehow win, please don't come back in here and act like you're along for the ride. I'll be rooting my team on despite how unhappy I am right now.

Stuff it Texecutioner.

djohn2oo8
12-30-2012, 04:35 PM
Put Yates in next week.

panamamyers
12-30-2012, 04:35 PM
The only people in here that are still defending Schaub are either his relatives or trolls.

He is so far and away our biggest problem that any other problem is not worth discussing until that one is resolved. It'd be like complaining that your car is missing a side mirror, but then fail to see that there is no engine under the hood.

Schaub is a loser of a qb with a noodle arm that is average when no pressure is on and then completely falls apart and chokes when any sort of pressure is on his play.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:36 PM
Absolutely he didn't help but Peyton had the ball in his hands with a chance to win the game and he messed up.

Can't ask for much more than your Hall of Fame QB having the ball with the game on the line.

you cant have your HC dig a ten point hole either with another hall of fame qb on the other side.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:36 PM
If Yates can beat Cincy last year surely Schaub can too. Right?

qqert
12-30-2012, 04:37 PM
i'm done blaming kubiak. bad judgement on schaub. peyton carried caldwell to a superbowl in his first year and caldwell cost peyton

schaub peaked 3-4 years ago, he's past his prime.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/funny-pictures-creature-deploys-its-sensors.jpg

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 04:38 PM
texans dont have s sophisticsted fanbase. we dont understand the difference between a guy that qjust tries to not mske mistakes and plays with an efficient system like dilfer or schaub or someone like that and a gu that is good.

we are still learning to differentiate between the two as a fanbase.

schaub is exhibit a. he is a horrible qb thst would only start for two or three teams in the league

In Schaub's defense, isn't that what we got away from when we moved on from Carr?

From 2007 through 2010, I don't think anyone was calling Schaub or Kubiak "conservative"

My problem, is that we're being conservative now.

I don't understand why. Now is not the time. When HFA is on the line, it's not the time.

It's like either Gary is trying to prove something, or Schaub doesn't know how to differentiate when it's time to take a risk, when it's time to push...

I really think "the development" of Schaub is the problem. I don't think Gary should have to tell Matt when it's time to step it up, when it's time to "take over"

Personally, I think the coach should say, "don't do it" & Matt should take it upon himself to do it. I know that sounds like insubordination, maybe I'm not saying it right. But I think a QB should take it upon himself to make something happen, but he's got to be extremely confident with his ability & it has to work. Which is why the coach can't tell him to do it.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 04:38 PM
you cant have your HC dig a ten point hole either with another hall of fame qb on the other side.

No but the game came down to Peyton Manning at the end and he lost it.

Caldwell was an awful coach who was carried by Peyton but Peyton just didn't get it done at the end.

He wouldn't even have a Super Bowl if he played Brees in 2006. Rex Grossman was the MVP of that game he was so awful.

Premier
12-30-2012, 04:39 PM
Your analyzation on Yates is apparently just as bad as it was on Schaub then if you think that Yates brought us back to win a division. Yates was nothing but a piece on a great team that was dragged to the playoffs after everything that was in place from Schaub last season. Yates didn't carry this team to anything. He almost cost us the division if anything when he couldn't even beat the Colts either last season when the COlts were 1-15.
.

how did yates almost cost them the division when he won his first 2 starts, clinching the division in the process..

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:42 PM
Your analyzation on Yates is apparently just as bad as it was on Schaub then if you think that Yates brought us back to win a division. Yates was nothing but a piece on a great team that was dragged to the playoffs after everything that was in place from Schaub last season. Yates didn't carry this team to anything. He almost cost us the division if anything when he couldn't even beat the Colts either last season when the COlts were 1-15.

And if you aren't going to watch the Texans in their 2nd playoff season ever, how in the hell do you call yourself a fan??? If we somehow win, please don't come back in here and act like you're along for the ride. I'll be rooting my team on despite how unhappy I am right now.

well yates had a twenty yard run at cinci to help win the division. you ever see your boy schaub on a twenty yard run. to say yates didnt carry this team is true but to not give him credit is STUPID. your boy schaub could have underthrown a ball that day or in the playoffs versus cinci. well your boy schaub has us in position for the playoffs do you think he ties yates in playoff victories? i dont plan on going to game next week, you wanna buy tickets since your such a great fan?

Premier
12-30-2012, 04:45 PM
lol afc division round in either mile high or foxborough... lol lets call a spade a spade..

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 04:47 PM
If Schuab plays the way we all know he can. The way he played in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, & 2011, we can still win it all.

He & Kubiak just need to get away from being uber safe. We won a lot of games during that time. Would have won a lot more with this defense we have now. It's play off time, time to let it all hang out.

Can't be scared to make mistakes. We have to trust our team is mature enough to overcome.

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 04:50 PM
lol afc division round in either mile high or foxborough... lol lets call a spade a spade..

This team isn't going anywhere. LOL. Just saw Manning throw a dart to Decker in the endzone. I laughed. Should have gotten that guy. Wonder if Kubiak and Schaub are still texting each other, joking about him coming here....











Probably not.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 04:53 PM
If Yates can beat Cincy last year surely Schaub can too. Right?

well i guess we will find out. cinci D is nasty this year. better than last year. we see them next week

Mr teX
12-30-2012, 05:06 PM
well i guess we will find out. cinci D is nasty this year. better than last year. we see them next week

Dalton and green are also better and their run game has been better with JGE...i certainly dont have any confidence that we'll be able to do anything with them or against them right now..

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 05:17 PM
dalton vs schaub? any takers on schaub?

TexansSeminole
12-30-2012, 05:39 PM
Schaub is not a bad QB. He is having a poor end of season which may cost us in the end. However, if this is the guy we are going to get in pressure situations and in big games, he literally has zero value on this team.

leebigeztx
12-30-2012, 05:56 PM
Just like with shanny, i would love to see kubes with a gifted, moblie qb. Geno wont be availible, but I really like the manuel kid from fsu. He could use some seasoning for a yr at least,but he big,mobile,has a great arm. Put that guy on the bench for a year and open the competition up after next season. We know what schaub is and he needs too many thing to happen right to be functional. How many td's have this seasoned offense scored in the last 4 weeks? not alot, i can tell you that.

TexansSeminole
12-30-2012, 05:58 PM
Just like with shanny, i would love to see kubes with a gifted, moblie qb. Geno wont be availible, but I really like the manuel kid from fsu. He could use some seasoning for a yr at least,but he big,mobile,has a great arm. Put that guy on the bench for a year and open the competition up after next season. We know what schaub is and he needs too many thing to happen right to be functional. How many td's have this seasoned offense scored in the last 4 weeks? not alot, i can tell you that.

Omg, your so wrong. I've watched every play of EJ Manuel's career and I wouldn't touch him with a 100 foot pole. His best day is much worse than Schaub's worst day.

Texecutioner
12-30-2012, 06:04 PM
well yates had a twenty yard run at cinci to help win the division. you ever see your boy schaub on a twenty yard run. to say yates didnt carry this team is true but to not give him credit is STUPID. your boy schaub could have underthrown a ball that day or in the playoffs versus cinci. well your boy schaub has us in position for the playoffs do you think he ties yates in playoff victories? i dont plan on going to game next week, you wanna buy tickets since your such a great fan?

Schaub was capable of making more throws and making better decisions. The Texans were losing down the stretch last season as they are now this season. No difference really. And up and behold we're playing the Bengals once again. We're going to beat the Bengals. And then we're going on the road and it will be up to the coaching staff to get this team back to a winning form. It will be up to the players to execute their strategy. We've got homefield advantage at Reliant, and I expect us to win this game.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:05 PM
So So sad watching the broncos and patriots come out and play like they have something to play for and we come out as though we have the #1 seed all but locked up.

Watching manning and brady tonight only makes me feel worse and worse about our team.

The texans are like the new kid in school who told all lies so everyone thought he was cool, and then someone discovered the truth now everyone sees us as a fraud/joke.

amazing80
12-30-2012, 06:06 PM
So So sad watching the broncos and patriots come out and play like they have something to play for and we come out as though we have the #1 seed all but locked up.

Watching manning and brady tonight only makes me feel worse and worse about our team.

The texans are like the new kid in school who told all lies so everyone thought he was cool, and then someone discovered the truth now everyone sees us as a fraud/joke.

well hopefully we're like that picked on kid who takes roids and comes out and beats the **** out of everyone who picked on him

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:07 PM
well hopefully we're like that picked on kid who takes roids and comes out and beats the **** out of everyone who picked on him

Were Brian Cushing?

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 06:08 PM
well hopefully we're like that picked on kid who takes roids and comes out and beats the **** out of everyone who picked on him

um no cause pats and broncos are the real deal

GuerillaBlack
12-30-2012, 06:21 PM
So So sad watching the broncos and patriots come out and play like they have something to play for and we come out as though we have the #1 seed all but locked up.

Watching manning and brady tonight only makes me feel worse and worse about our team.

The texans are like the new kid in school who told all lies so everyone thought he was cool, and then someone discovered the truth now everyone sees us as a fraud/joke.

Yeah it's really quite sad. The Texans were exposed and pushed into the locker by New England.

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 06:23 PM
Schaub is not a bad QB. He is having a poor end of season which may cost us in the end. However, if this is the guy we are going to get in pressure situations and in big games, he literally has zero value on this team.


Remember when Donovan McNabb wasn't a bad QB..... and then he was? Remember when Daunte Culpepper wasn't a bad QB until he was? There are countless examples of this happening and no fanbase ever wants to admit it when it happens to them but I'm sorry, Matt Schaub is not a good QB. Not anymore. This guy is a turnover waiting to happen every time he tries to put the pedal down on a drive. He's a bad decision machine. A slow walking drive killer of a QB who isn't playing behind 5 dominant protectors so he's never going to have the time he needs to be what a lot of you people want to suggest he is.

Well Ok, I give up. "He's a good QB" just like Domanick Williams is a good RB in the sense that both were paid for what they'd done by an organization that can't work out when to hold em' and when to fold em' no matter who the GM is.

But enough about Matt, his "Jedi Master" Gary Kubiak is the reason the Texans are in the fix they're in at least as much as Matt if not more. Matt Schaub is a **** QB but he's doing everything he's told by a **** coach so how much culpability can he have? Do we blame David Carr or Mario Williams for being picked first overall and not living up to it or do we blame the team that picked them?

The Texans built this team on a flawed foundation. Right now they could bring a real coach in who knew how to lead a team and he could make adjustments to this roster that would bring about immediate improvements. They won't do it but they could.

We'll have to be content with Marciano's services hopefully not being retained. That might happen. Other than that though I wouldn't count on anything getting better. It's going to take another 2-14 season to flush this toilet.

leebigeztx
12-30-2012, 06:23 PM
Omg, your so wrong. I've watched every play of EJ Manuel's career and I wouldn't touch him with a 100 foot pole. His best day is much worse than Schaub's worst day.

Give me another game to watch besides the clemson,miami,and va tech game to watch again this year. I'm talking his tools and ability. I never said he was ready now. Give me a game and i will go watch it.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:26 PM
i love watching teams who call plays to win the game. Who say hey we leave it all on the field go down swinging. Texans never go down swinging especially when there is something on the line.

Hervoyel
12-30-2012, 06:27 PM
Schaub was capable of making more throws and making better decisions. The Texans were losing down the stretch last season as they are now this season. No difference really. And up and behold we're playing the Bengals once again. We're going to beat the Bengals. And then we're going on the road and it will be up to the coaching staff to get this team back to a winning form. It will be up to the players to execute their strategy. We've got homefield advantage at Reliant, and I expect us to win this game.

I'm sure in your clouded mind there's no difference but there was a huge difference last season. The injuries were epic in number and the team was being led by a rookie QB who was never intended to take the field that year. The playbook was pared down to a functional subset that Yates could run and even then those games were called so conservatively that he was rarely given any rope to hang himself with until there was no alternative.

We're going to play the Bengals again and they're going to beat our asses.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:28 PM
i love watching teams who call plays to win the game. Who say hey we leave it all on the field go down swinging. Texans never go down swinging especially when there is something on the line.

The Texans play not to lose. Which in the end leads to losing.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:30 PM
WOW guys i am down on the team to, but we do still have foster, AJ, Watt, JoJo, O.D. I will give these guys some credit and say we can win this game, just dont like what we have to face AFTER we beat the bengals.

ATXtexanfan
12-30-2012, 06:31 PM
yeah they try to keep it 0-0

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:32 PM
WOW guys i am down on the team to, but we do still have foster, AJ, Watt, JoJo, O.D. I will give these guys some credit and say we can win this game, just dont like what we have to face AFTER we beat the bengals.

We have to get the lead first. This team is built to play with a lead not comeback from one.

If we can get up by 10 or 14 on Brady and Manning we have a good shot.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:35 PM
We have to get the lead first. This team is built to play with a lead not comeback from one.

If we can get up by 10 or 14 on Brady and Manning we have a good shot.

Well we know the texans defense can stop manning and brady, we have seen it done, the offense needs to get out of this funk. Kubiak needs to pull out all the stops this post season. Fake punts, maybe a few trick plays, just go down swinging and stop folding up like we have become accustume to the texans doing.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:38 PM
Well we know the texans defense can stop manning and brady, we have seen it done, the offense needs to get out of this funk. Kubiak needs to pull out all the stops this post season. Fake punts, maybe a few trick plays, just go down swinging and stop folding up like we have become accustume to the texans doing.

Does Kubiak even have those plays in the playbook? Lol

He has 5 calls. Run, play action, screen, punt, miss field goal.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:40 PM
Does Kubiak even have those plays in the playbook? Lol

He has 5 calls. Run, play action, screen, punt, miss field goal.

in a seriousness i dont think he does, i can not remember even one trick play the texans have ever ran since Kubiak became HC.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:41 PM
in a seriousness i dont think he does, i can not remember even one trick play the texans have ever ran since Kubiak became HC.

He likes to throw in a reverse once in a while if that counts.

BullNation4Life
12-30-2012, 06:41 PM
WOW guys i am down on the team to, but we do still have foster, AJ, Watt, JoJo, O.D. I will give these guys some credit and say we can win this game, just dont like what we have to face AFTER we beat the bengals.

seriously? You really, in your heart of hearts, think THIS team is capable of beating the Bengals? If you are, than you are a far better fan than I because I just do not see it.

For 6-7 weeks this Texans team has played horrible football, on both sides of the ball. There is nothing the Texans have done that gives me any confidence that they can beat the Bengals.

Bengals have won 7 of their last 8 games, although the teams they played were not that good, I would take that going into a playoff game than a 3 game losing streak any day.

Goatcheese
12-30-2012, 06:41 PM
We're Brian Cushing?

So not not cool, bro!

I laughed, but not cool.

:cutthroat:

BullNation4Life
12-30-2012, 06:43 PM
in a seriousness i dont think he does, i can not remember even one trick play the texans have ever ran since Kubiak became HC.

you don't remember the Chris Brown craptastic half back pass against the Titans in Tennessee?

HJam72
12-30-2012, 06:44 PM
in a seriousness i dont think he does, i can not remember even one trick play the texans have ever ran since Kubiak became HC.

One of the players, I think maybe Daniels, talked about that in an interview recently somewhere. I remember him saying that Kubiak does not like trick plays and that he tried one once like 4 years ago and it back-fired on them with a turnover....and that was it....he won't ever do it again.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:45 PM
you don't remember the Chris Brown craptastic half back pass against the Titans in Tennessee?

I had that one removed from my memory. Thanks for the reminder.:kubepalm:

HJam72
12-30-2012, 06:45 PM
you don't remember the Chris Brown craptastic half back pass against the Titans in Tennessee?

Maybe that was it???

Rey
12-30-2012, 06:47 PM
Rofl. Are you serious? I've pioneered Schaub hatering. He's better than Bradford, Romo, Foles, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill, Luck and Locker without question.

Are you serious?

HJam72
12-30-2012, 06:47 PM
I had that one removed from my memory. Thanks for the reminder.:kubepalm:

At least it ain't Rosencopter, or the one where Brown goes out of bounds, but he fumbles the ball back in bounds before he hits the ground and it's recovered by the....Titans, I think. That was on like the 2 yard line.

EllisUnit
12-30-2012, 06:48 PM
Maybe that was it???

oh yeah haha i remember that, but come on chris brown. That was a terrible call, how about a screen to O.D our 4th QB :) and then let him hit AJ semi deep in the middle of the field, surely he can throw about as good as schaub anyways.

mariowillshine15
12-30-2012, 06:51 PM
At least it ain't Rosencopter, or the one where Brown goes out of bounds, but he fumbles the ball back in bounds before he hits the ground and it's recovered by the....Titans, I think. That was on like the 2 yard line.

Brown goes down as one of the worst Texans ever.

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 10:42 PM
So So sad watching the broncos and patriots come out and play like they have something to play for and we come out as though we have the #1 seed all but locked up.


Remember this.

I don't know what's going to happen, but maybe this is the best thing that could have happened to us. Hear me out. Adversity builds character. The Broncos haven't played anyone since the Bengals, week 9. The did catch Baltimore in their little 3 game losing streak, but that's it as far as play off teams go.

Same thing with the Patriots. They took care of business tonight against the 7-9 Miami Dolphins. They beat us (paper tiger) & they got spanked by the 49ers.

Both teams will be off next weekend. But two weeks from now they will face play off teams. How are they going to play when "everything" isn't working as well as it does against the weaker competition they've been playing?


Keep hope alive.

TexansSeminole
12-30-2012, 11:59 PM
Give me another game to watch besides the clemson,miami,and va tech game to watch again this year. I'm talking his tools and ability. I never said he was ready now. Give me a game and i will go watch it.

Ok, Florida 2012. Almost any game this season. He is not a good QB, just trust me, I have watched him play and analyzed his every motion more than any person on this board x3.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 04:54 PM
Dude doesn't have it. I can't believe we resigned him before the season. Just average on a solid team. He still has a half to prove me wrong

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 05:49 PM
And there goes the unforced pick

4x4tx
01-13-2013, 05:50 PM
City is going to turn on him like jacoby

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Honoring Earl 34
01-13-2013, 05:51 PM
Matt is the chick/dude with the great personality .

EllisUnit
01-13-2013, 05:52 PM
They are trying to put the fork in us. If they score a TD that will be it.

Rudyball
01-13-2013, 05:53 PM
Schaub has gotton worse as this season has gone on. His accuracy has been poor, decisions have been porr, and when he scrambles he looks more scared than Carr.

Not lloking forward to the rest of his contract.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 05:54 PM
We maybe he gets better next season lol. F u c k no

Mr. Texan
01-13-2013, 05:55 PM
http://twitpic.com/show/large/96mhds

eriadoc
01-13-2013, 05:56 PM
Honestly, this is like watching Carr fall apart in the second half of 2004. You kept looking back at the good things he did prior, thinking he's just in a slump. But no, he's broken. This is it.

Mr teX
01-13-2013, 05:58 PM
**** it lets go get alex smith, new qb...different issues.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 05:59 PM
Honestly, this is like watching Carr fall apart in the second half of 2004. You kept looking back at the good things he did prior, thinking he's just in a slump. But no, he's broken. This is it.

Yeah broken is the best way to describe him. Wish his contract was broken

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 05:59 PM
**** it lets go get alex smith, new qb...different issues.

Time for.change indeed

Lucky
01-13-2013, 06:02 PM
Not lloking forward to the rest of his contract.

Schaub's contract is going to be an albatross around this organizations neck. Just as bad a decision as Carr's contract extension was in 2005.

417Texan
01-13-2013, 06:05 PM
I am sick that he cannot raise his game up to a level to score more points.

ObsiWan
01-13-2013, 06:06 PM
City is going to turn on him like jacoby

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I'm afraid that is already in progress...

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 06:06 PM
Schaub's contract is going to be an albatross around this organizations neck. Just as bad a decision as Carr's contract extension was in 2005.

Omg your right. Extend Carr and pass on VY and Cutler lol. Not endorsing VY but Cutler on this O?

ObsiWan
01-13-2013, 06:08 PM
Well, for those of you who wanted them to go deep when they only needed a yard...

....there ya go...

ObsiWan
01-13-2013, 06:09 PM
And THAT, Ladies & Gents, is your proverbial dagger.


...what's on the science channel?



damned dimestore ILBs....

417Texan
01-13-2013, 06:10 PM
I take Romo over Matt.

417Texan
01-13-2013, 06:10 PM
[QUOTE=ObsiWan;2107162]And THAT, Ladies & Gents, is your proverbial dagger.


...what's on the science channel?



damned dimestore ILBs....[/QU


I bout to watch Ghost Hunters.:kitten::handshake::breakdance:

Vinny
01-13-2013, 06:11 PM
Schaub's contract is going to be an albatross around this organizations neck. Just as bad a decision as Carr's contract extension was in 2005.
At least they're consistant

Pantherstang84
01-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Longtime Texans fans know a broken QB when we see one and this one is broken. Smith needs to be fired for extending him before this season was over. What a retarded move. This organization has never made anyone earn their paycheck other than Foster.

4x4tx
01-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Too many limitations with schaub

Not a leader
Weak arm
Slowest qb in the league
No heart


We need someone that can scramble and make 1st downs when the play breaks down



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mussop
01-13-2013, 06:13 PM
**** it lets go get alex smith, new qb...different issues.

:backsout: lol

GP
01-13-2013, 06:15 PM
Schaub's contract is going to be an albatross around this organizations neck. Just as bad a decision as Carr's contract extension was in 2005.

Only way around it is to draft a QB who gets a low 4-year contract.

That's the only way around it.

And Gary won't do it. I know he won't.

He thinks he just needs more time. Because Matt is GARY'S guy. He has a lot invested in him. A lot of PRIDE.

Kubiak is the most overly loyal, slow to change, do-nothing HC I have ever seen. Oh sure, he gets rid of Carr after one year...but Schaub? NO way! He'll be here for two more years. Which SUCKS.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 06:15 PM
Longtime Texans fans know a broken QB when we see one and this one is broken. Smith needs to be fired for extending him before this season was over. What a retarded move. This organization has never made anyone earn their paycheck other than Foster.

Yup, worse move ever

mussop
01-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Yup, worse move ever

Nope that goes to drafting mittens.

macho grande
01-13-2013, 06:19 PM
I. Hate. Schaub. There I said it.

macho grande
01-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Nope that goes to drafting mittens.

He was thrown to the wolves. He never had a chance.

Lucky
01-13-2013, 06:22 PM
Kubiak is the most overly loyal, slow to change, do-nothing HC I have ever seen. Oh sure, he gets rid of Carr after one year...but Schaub? NO way! He'll be here for two more years. Which SUCKS.

Schaub is too expensive to cut in 2013. Doesn't mean you have to play him.

dc_txtech
01-13-2013, 06:22 PM
Schaub's contract is going to be an albatross around this organizations neck. Just as bad a decision as Carr's contract extension was in 2005.

As I understand it, all of Schaubs guaranteed money was from his signing bonus, 2012, and 2013. After that we can cut him if we see fit with no penalty to the cap. I'm not a cap expert but that was my understanding.

stonewhite
01-13-2013, 06:24 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Matt-Schaub-we-hate-you/578577402156969?skip_nax_wizard=true

Pantherstang84
01-13-2013, 06:27 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Matt-Schaub-we-hate-you/578577402156969?skip_nax_wizard=true

That is going overboard.

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 06:30 PM
So if.they don't bring on competition at qb expect the same

Hervoyel
01-13-2013, 06:30 PM
Yeah, I can't get behind that. It's time to part ways but as usual the Texans have figured out how to make it overly complicated and incredibly expensive to make the move they need to make so he's staying. I think the only real option here is to invest every possible penny in the defense and go Baltimore Ravens circa 1999-2000. Build defense and accept that you've got a less mobile, less talented, less intelligent Trent Dilfer on the other side of the ball who will limit you in every way possible going forward. The only sane choice if you have to keep the loser is don't depend on him.

Gary won't do this of course. He's on the right track and all that bull****

ATXtexanfan
01-13-2013, 06:31 PM
That is going overboard.

Yeah I agree

qqert
01-13-2013, 07:34 PM
So if.they don't bring on competition at qb expect the same
every other position has competition for the spot, except QB.
that needs to change, i agree.

BullBlitz
01-13-2013, 08:09 PM
My guess is that few fans are actually "done with Schaub". We hear this season after season, and he comes back and most fans get behind him once again. He has a long term contract, so we will see this same show again next year.

EllisUnit
01-13-2013, 08:12 PM
My guess is that few fans are actually "done with Schaub". We hear this season after season, and he comes back and most fans get behind him once again. He has a long term contract, so we will see this same show again next year.

circumsatances are a bit different this season. We have never been in position to take home field and blow it. To go into the Pats house and pull out a win, hell if not for the defense we wouldnt of won against the bengals.

Schaub has hit his ceiling and will never get any better than he was 2 years ago. To much talent on this roster to let Schaub waste it IMO.

Hervoyel
01-13-2013, 08:39 PM
circumsatances are a bit different this season. We have never been in position to take home field and blow it. To go into the Pats house and pull out a win, hell if not for the defense we wouldnt of won against the bengals.

Schaub has hit his ceiling and will never get any better than he was 2 years ago. To much talent on this roster to let Schaub waste it IMO.

That, right there is what it comes down to. Andre Johnson has how many years left? How many years did he play on .500 teams because Gary Kubiak was too ****ing stupid to go get a real defensive coordinator? How many more years of his career will be lost waiting for Gary to figure out that his hand picked QB doesn't have what it takes to get this done? That same scenario is playing out all across our roster as some of these excellent players we've been lucky enough in some cases to fall into our hands (Foster) or pick after other teams grabbed more highly touted prospects (Duane Brown). How many years are we going to be this young and this good? Windows stay open for a very short time in the NFL for many guys.

Jules Winnfield
01-13-2013, 08:51 PM
Yeah, I can't get behind that. It's time to part ways but as usual the Texans have figured out how to make it overly complicated and incredibly expensive to make the move they need to make so he's staying. I think the only real option here is to invest every possible penny in the defense and go Baltimore Ravens circa 1999-2000. Build defense and accept that you've got a less mobile, less talented, less intelligent Trent Dilfer on the other side of the ball who will limit you in every way possible going forward. The only sane choice if you have to keep the loser is don't depend on him.

Gary won't do this of course. He's on the right track and all that bull****

That, right there is what it comes down to. Andre Johnson has how many years left? How many years did he play on .500 teams because Gary Kubiak was too ****ing stupid to go get a real defensive coordinator? How many more years of his career will be lost waiting for Gary to figure out that his hand picked QB doesn't have what it takes to get this done? That same scenario is playing out all across our roster as some of these excellent players we've been lucky enough in some cases to fall into our hands (Foster) or pick after other teams grabbed more highly touted prospects (Duane Brown). How many years are we going to be this young and this good? Windows stay open for a very short time in the NFL for many guys.


thank you for being an honest fan.

thunderkyss
01-13-2013, 09:35 PM
That, right there is what it comes down to. Andre Johnson has how many years left? How many years did he play on .500 teams because Gary Kubiak was too ****ing stupid to go get a real defensive coordinator? How many more years of his career will be lost waiting for Gary to figure out that his hand picked QB doesn't have what it takes to get this done? That same scenario is playing out all across our roster as some of these excellent players we've been lucky enough in some cases to fall into our hands (Foster) or pick after other teams grabbed more highly touted prospects (Duane Brown). How many years are we going to be this young and this good? Windows stay open for a very short time in the NFL for many guys.

Andre Johnson ain't no dummy. He had opportunity to leave & if he wanted, he can make some noise & ask to leave. But if he's got confidence in Schaub & Kubiak, then I'm going to roll with it.

As far as Kubiak & getting a real DC... again, I don't think Kubiak is a dummy. We have no idea what it takes to get a DC hired. Everywhere around the league you see everybody hiring their friends, or there is usually a connection somewhere. Most people don't go to work with people they don't know on an expansion team. Wade's connection was Houston & I bet his dad told him to take the job & see how it goes, otherwise we wouldn't have got Wade either.

The most successful DCord in the league right now is probably Vic Fangio. He didn't do too well here.

Andy Reid couldn't find someone to work with his "dream team" & had to get his friend to take the job, then he ended up firing him.

Uncle Rico
01-13-2013, 09:39 PM
Hey guys cheer up, his foot will heal up completely and he will be back next year better than ever!