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brakos82
12-01-2010, 02:44 PM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Don Coryell, Coach (1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers)

Roger Craig, RB (1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings)

Terrell Davis, RB (1995-2001 Denver Broncos)

Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner (1979-1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Kevin Greene, LB/DE (1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Ray Guy, P (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

Lester Hayes, CB (1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Art Modell, Owner (1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner (1989-2006 National Football League)

Aeneas Williams, CB/S (1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams)

George Young, Contributor (1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League)

Read more: http://gridironfans.com/forums/general-football-discussion/146777-list-26-pro-football-hall-fame-semifinalists.html#ixzz16tY7et00

scourge
12-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner (1989-2006 National Football League)



While I do feel that others are deserving of making it as well, these jump out at me as being probable inductees this year.

In defense of all the others, each and every one of them are BETTER THAN VISTA.

Mr teX
12-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Don Coryell, Coach (1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers)

Roger Craig, RB (1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings)

Terrell Davis, RB (1995-2001 Denver Broncos)

Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner (1979-1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Kevin Greene, LB/DE (1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Ray Guy, P (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

Lester Hayes, CB (1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Art Modell, Owner (1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner (1989-2006 National Football League)

Aeneas Williams, CB/S (1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams)

George Young, Contributor (1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League)

Read more: http://gridironfans.com/forums/general-football-discussion/146777-list-26-pro-football-hall-fame-semifinalists.html#ixzz16tY7et00


Faulk & Sanders definitely this year; they were just voted as 1 of the nfl's top 100, deion somewhere in the 20 - 40 range i believe.

as for the others:

Coryell just b/c he just died i believe & b/c of his influence on the game.

Dawson - token o-lineman of the group

Dent - token d-lineman of the group

& i'm calling it right now, Reed finally gets in over Carter.

stingray
12-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Curtis Martin will get in, in my opinion in his first year of eligibility.

Joe Texan
12-01-2010, 03:33 PM
I am not sorry to say that Art Model is not better than Vista

Second Honeymoon
12-01-2010, 03:48 PM
Deion, Faulk, Hayes, and Haley
Then give one to DeBartolo for showing everyone how to treat it's players and to do everything first class. Sabol should get some love for NFL Films

Roaf, Doleman, and Tim Brown are close with Brown probably the closest

Sorry Reed
NO BILLS ALLOWED...you, Beebe and Tasker can suck it
35-3. Never forget.

eriadoc
12-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Where the ******* is Dr. Doom?

Slackers.

JB
12-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Where the ******* is Dr. Doom?

Slackers.

Brazile should absolutely be in! I think Guy should be in also.

I know a lot of people that don't think punters should qualify, but that dude was something special.

Texan4Ever
12-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Don Coryell, Coach (1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers)

Roger Craig, RB (1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings)

Terrell Davis, RB (1995-2001 Denver Broncos)

Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner (1979-1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Kevin Greene, LB/DE (1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Ray Guy, P (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

Lester Hayes, CB (1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Art Modell, Owner (1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner (1989-2006 National Football League)

Aeneas Williams, CB/S (1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams)

George Young, Contributor (1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League)

Read more: http://gridironfans.com/forums/general-football-discussion/146777-list-26-pro-football-hall-fame-semifinalists.html#ixzz16tY7et00



I wish we could kick people out of the Hall of Fame (George Blanda, Bobby Layne anyone?) because there are some people that got in and I don't know how.

Anyways, the bolded people on this list SHOULD get in at some point, not sure about the others.

JB
12-01-2010, 07:16 PM
I wish we could kick people out of the Hall of Fame (George Blanda, Bobby Layne anyone?) because there are some people that got in and I don't know how.

Anyways, the bolded people on this list SHOULD get in at some point, not sure about the others.

I was following and agreeing with most of your post until the bolded. That shows a true lack of knowledge of the history of the game.

Really? You think Bobby Layne doesn't belong? Nor does George Blanda?


:mariopalm:

brakos82
12-01-2010, 07:22 PM
I was following and agreeing with most of your post until the bolded. That shows a true lack of knowledge of the history of the game.

Really? You think Bobby Layne doesn't belong? Nor does George Blanda?


:mariopalm:
Damn young whippersnappers!

Showtime100
12-01-2010, 07:31 PM
I wish we could kick people out of the Hall of Fame (George Blanda, Bobby Layne anyone?) because there are some people that got in and I don't know how.

Anyways, the bolded people on this list SHOULD get in at some point, not sure about the others.

I guess the sun didn't shine until 1990? Watch the cred go down with THAT post....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Emoticons%20II/suicide6co.gif

JB, I'm glad you mentioned Ray Guy, and where IS Dr Doom? He should be there.

Texan4Ever
12-01-2010, 11:39 PM
I guess the sun didn't shine until 1990? Watch the cred go down with THAT post....

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r65/ShowtimeN15580/Emoticons%20II/suicide6co.gif

JB, I'm glad you mentioned Ray Guy, and where IS Dr Doom? He should be there.

Damn young whippersnappers!

I was following and agreeing with most of your post until the bolded. That shows a true lack of knowledge of the history of the game.

Really? You think Bobby Layne doesn't belong? Nor does George Blanda?


:mariopalm:



Ok, hear me out and correct me if I'm wrong because I wasn't even born when these guys played. Bobby Layne may have had postseason success but how can you put a QB in the Hall of Fame who threw more career INTs than TDs?

As for George Blanda, yes he played until he was 300 years old but the man thre 40-something INTs in ONE SEASON! He doesn't have stats like QBs later on did and from what I've seen stats-wise there is nothing the impresses me.

Okay, maybe they DO deserve it because both QBs had postseason success and were icons of the game, but individually they had poor stats and were able to do what they did because of the players around them.

kiwitexansfan
12-02-2010, 06:44 AM
These are the players I think deserve to go in. Can't comment on the non-players.

I think to be in the HoF you need to have been the very best player in your position at some stage in your career and you need to have a degree of longevity in the game.

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Ray Guy, P (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Lester Hayes, CB (1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

RazorOye
12-02-2010, 07:10 AM
Anyways, the bolded people on this list SHOULD get in at some point, not sure about the others.

not sure about Deion?

He's in the conversation for best ever at his position.

Doppelganger
12-02-2010, 07:31 AM
Edward DeBartolo, Jr.? Isnt he the owner that ran the 49er organization into the ground?

kiwitexansfan
12-02-2010, 07:34 AM
not sure about Deion?

He's in the conversation for best ever at his position.

What conversation? BEST COVER CORNER EVER.

El Tejano
12-02-2010, 07:53 AM
Where the ******* is Dr. Doom?

Slackers.

No crap man. Then when you see Willie Roaf's name on there, you sense how this is unjustified.

El Tejano
12-02-2010, 07:54 AM
Edward DeBartolo, Jr.? Isnt he the owner that ran the 49er organization into the ground?

Wasn't there alot of illegal crap he got busted for. Didn't he help bring the Browns back?

rmartin65
12-02-2010, 08:01 AM
Ok, hear me out and correct me if I'm wrong because I wasn't even born when these guys played. Bobby Layne may have had postseason success but how can you put a QB in the Hall of Fame who threw more career INTs than TDs?

As for George Blanda, yes he played until he was 300 years old but the man thre 40-something INTs in ONE SEASON! He doesn't have stats like QBs later on did and from what I've seen stats-wise there is nothing the impresses me.

Okay, maybe they DO deserve it because both QBs had postseason success and were icons of the game, but individually they had poor stats and were able to do what they did because of the players around them.

Not valid man. The Hall of Fame honors (as it should) people relative to their own era. Layne and Blanda were 2 of the best QBs of their era, so they are in.

I suggest watching some old time games, and seeing how the game was played back then. INTs were fairly common, as the WCO did not exist. When teams passed, they usually went for the gold.

RazorOye
12-02-2010, 08:07 AM
What conversation? BEST COVER CORNER EVER.

personally, I agree... but I know there are people who deduct style points for what the perceive as a lack of physicality in his game

No crap man. Then when you see Willie Roaf's name on there, you sense how this is unjustified.

what's the objection to Roaf, from all the names on the list, out of curiosity?

Blake
12-02-2010, 08:51 AM
Jerome Bettis, RB (1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Tim Brown, WR/KR (1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Cris Carter, WR (1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins)

Don Coryell, Coach (1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers)

Roger Craig, RB (1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings)

Terrell Davis, RB (1995-2001 Denver Broncos)

Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner (1979-1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Dermontti Dawson, C (1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers)

Richard Dent, DE (1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles)

Chris Doleman, DE/LB (1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers)

Marshall Faulk, RB (1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams)

Kevin Greene, LB/DE (1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers)

Ray Guy, P (1973-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Charles Haley, DE/LB (1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys)

Lester Hayes, CB (1977-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders)

Cortez Kennedy, DT (1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks)

Curtis Martin, RB (1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets)

Art Modell, Owner (1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2003 Baltimore Ravens)

Willie Roaf, OT (1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs)

Andre Reed, WR (1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins)

Ed Sabol, Contributor (1964-1995 NFL Films)

Deion Sanders, CB/KR/PR (1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens)

Shannon Sharpe, TE (1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens)

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner (1989-2006 National Football League)

Aeneas Williams, CB/S (1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams)

George Young, Contributor (1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League)

Read more: http://gridironfans.com/forums/general-football-discussion/146777-list-26-pro-football-hall-fame-semifinalists.html#ixzz16tY7et00

Holy Shit that is alot of HOF quality players. If I had to narrow it down to 6, it would be:

Marshall Faulk (LOCK)
Deion Sanders (LOCK)
Shannon Sharpe (LOCK)
Jerome Bettis
Cris Carter
Paul Tagliabue (Dont think he should be, but think he will be.)

BigBull17
12-02-2010, 11:08 AM
Cris Carter is second in receptions and like 4th in TD catches. The dude is one of the best receivers of all time, maybe the best all time considering he never really had an elite passer. The dude has to make it in. It's freakin unbelievable that he hasn't yet.

kiwitexansfan
12-02-2010, 01:34 PM
personally, I agree... but I know there are people who deduct style points for what the perceive as a lack of physicality in his game



You don't need to be physical if your receiver never catches the ball.

scourge
12-02-2010, 02:59 PM
I wish we could kick people out of the Hall of Fame (George Blanda, Bobby Layne anyone?) because there are some people that got in and I don't know how.

Anyways, the bolded people on this list SHOULD get in at some point, not sure about the others.

Not only do I disagree with this, but are you seriously saying Aneas Williams should get in before Deion? Really? The term "shut down corner" was because of him. Sure, he wasn't that great of a tackler, but when he was put in to the position of needing to make one it typically wasn't the receiver he was covering that needed to be tackled. He scared QB's and OC's alike.

:facepalm:

Texan4Ever
12-02-2010, 03:32 PM
Not valid man. The Hall of Fame honors (as it should) people relative to their own era. Layne and Blanda were 2 of the best QBs of their era, so they are in.

I suggest watching some old time games, and seeing how the game was played back then. INTs were fairly common, as the WCO did not exist. When teams passed, they usually went for the gold.

Oh ok, I did not know that. I guess if you're looking for the best players in their eras then on that basis they are in the right place.

Not only do I disagree with this, but are you seriously saying Aneas Williams should get in before Deion? Really? The term "shut down corner" was because of him. Sure, he wasn't that great of a tackler, but when he was put in to the position of needing to make one it typically wasn't the receiver he was covering that needed to be tackled. He scared QB's and OC's alike.

:facepalm:


I didn't watch Deion play that much but what I do remember is his antics and loud mouth. I'm not doubting his abilities or anything, just saying. He will probably get in on the first or second ballot. Aneas Williams was a stud at his position so that's my reasoning for putting him in.


Going back to the list I think everyone with the exception of the 49ers owner will get in at some point in time.

scourge
12-02-2010, 04:43 PM
Oh ok, I did not know that. I guess if you're looking for the best players in their eras then on that basis they are in the right place.




I didn't watch Deion play that much but what I do remember is his antics and loud mouth. I'm not doubting his abilities or anything, just saying. He will probably get in on the first or second ballot. Aneas Williams was a stud at his position so that's my reasoning for putting him in.


Going back to the list I think everyone with the exception of the 49ers owner will get in at some point in time.

Their stats were somewhat similar, with Williams having two more INT's during his career. They tied for 2nd most INT td's with 9. However, it should be noted that for the last few years Aeneas played FS, where as even at 37 Deion was still one of the fastest CB's in the game reportedly clocking in the 4.3's in the 40yd dash.

Deion had 8 probowls, 6x 1st team All-Pro, 2x 2nd team AP, 2x SB rings, 90's All Decade team, 1x NFL DPoY, 2x NFC DPoY. Also 1 of only two people in history to score a td 6 different ways. INT, KR, PR, Rec, Rush, Fum. Only 2nd 2-way starter since Chuck Bednarik.

Aeneas had 8 probowls, 4x 1st team AP, 1x 2nd team AP, '90s All Decade.


Not only is Deion one of-if not the-best CB's ever to play, he is also one of the best athletes ever to play.

He had a mouth, but was never considered a locker room cancer from what I know, and never had off-field issues.



I can see, and agree, that Aeneas is deserving of the honor. If it came down to picking one of them though, Aeneas wouldn't win that debate with many voters.

JB
12-02-2010, 05:32 PM
Not sure if Williams makes it on the first ballot, but Neon Deon surely will!