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El Tejano
11-29-2010, 08:47 AM
I really liked how he didn't try to stop the fight. Think he wanted to see our team be tough for a change.

JB
11-29-2010, 09:22 AM
I really liked how he didn't try to stop the fight. Think he wanted to see our team be tough for a change.

How could he have stopped the fight?

HJam72
11-29-2010, 09:23 AM
Considering that he gave the game ball to AJ, I have to lose this soap I'm using as an avatar for a while. He just doesn't deserve that this week. Haven't really changed my mind, but I can't do it this week.

hradhak
11-29-2010, 09:25 AM
How could he have stopped the fight?

About the only thing he could have done was taken AJ out of the game for a few plays. Short of that not much. I still like it that he gave him a game ball at the end of the game. You can say all day that that was because of the record he set, but that was just as much to put that punk @ss in his place. :hurrah:

Corrosion
11-29-2010, 09:27 AM
Finnegan had it coming for a long time. I think he'll remember those haymakers AJ landed on his melonhead next time .... not to mention the embarrassment of having your ass handed to you on TV.

Im surprised it didnt get a lot uglier than it did ..... considering the frustrations this team has seen over the past couple weeks. I just hope they come out and play with desire against the Eagles ..... They pretty much need to win out to have a shot at the playoffs.

I dont think the offense played a very good game all things considered .... but I'll take a 20-0 win against a division rival anytime.

Corrosion
11-29-2010, 09:32 AM
About the only thing he could have done was taken AJ out of the game for a few plays. Short of that not much. I still like it that he gave him a game ball at the end of the game. You can say all day that that was because of the record he set, but that was just as much to put that punk @ss in his place. :hurrah:

Schaub may be the mouth of the team but AJ is the unspoken leader .... Guy's like that set the tome for the entire team. If the rest of this team would play with the fire that AJ and a few others do , they likely wouldnt be 5-6.

I'd have given AJ the game ball for that can of whoopass too ....



http://www.blogtap.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/can-of-whoop-ass.jpg

TheCD
11-29-2010, 10:40 AM
I dont think the offense played a very good game all things considered .... but I'll take a 20-0 win against a division rival anytime.

I disagree with you here. The offense wasn't firing on all cylinders, but this is a Titans defense that is very good. They feast on QB sacks, and yesterday we only gave up one...even if it was due to a couple on non-called intentional groundings.

The Titans aren't pushovers, but once Burned-Again got pushed to the ground and laid into...that team was done. You would have thought more fighting would have come later in the game, but that beating by AJ was the straw that broke their back.

Marcus
11-29-2010, 11:03 AM
I'm surprised that they didn't even attempt to throw the ball downfield. Considering all the times that Finnegan was up in AJ's grill at the LOS, it'd been nice to see him get burned deep.

Throw in safety help and the amount of time Schaub had to throw, who knows if it would have been successful. But you gotta go up top every once in awhile to keep em honest.

GP
11-29-2010, 11:43 AM
I really liked how he didn't try to stop the fight. Think he wanted to see our team be tough for a change.

Kubiak? Kubiak didn't even notice the fight. He turns away when anything dramatic is happening on the field.

Kimmy
11-29-2010, 11:45 AM
Kubiak? Kubiak didn't even notice the fight. He turns away when anything dramatic is happening on the field.

A lot like our corners :thisbig:

Runner
11-29-2010, 12:07 PM
I think the game ball was for the football accomplishment. Still giving it to him after the ejection was a nod to "way to handle his punk ass".

I doubt we ever see Andre do something like that again; I wonder if other players will try harder to push his buttons though.

BIG TORO
11-29-2010, 12:11 PM
I think the game ball was for the football accomplishment. Still giving it to him after the ejection was a nod to "way to handle his punk ass".

I doubt we ever see Andre do something like that again; I wonder if other players will try harder to push his buttons though.

I dont think they will, I think other players like and respect Andre and this just made hime the MAN!

Texan_Bill
11-29-2010, 12:13 PM
Finnegan had it coming for a long time. I think he'll remember those haymakers AJ landed on his melonhead next time .... not to mention the embarrassment of having your ass handed to you on TV.

Im surprised it didnt get a lot uglier than it did ..... considering the frustrations this team has seen over the past couple weeks. I just hope they come out and play with desire against the Eagles ..... They pretty much need to win out to have a shot at the playoffs.

I dont think the offense played a very good game all things considered .... but I'll take a 20-0 win against a division rival anytime.

I of course, naturally support this!!

Corrosion
11-29-2010, 12:30 PM
I of course, naturally support this!!

Lets just hope AJ didnt follow my lead and break his hand on that dudes ****ing melonhead. :foottap:

badboy
11-29-2010, 12:47 PM
Totally support AJ busting the punk. When we play them in their stadium I wish someone would hold up a sign saying "Punch a punk!" I think Aj should get a hefty fine but not suspended but don't see that occuring.

Quin should have received the game ball.

thunderkyss
11-29-2010, 01:25 PM
Considering that he gave the game ball to AJ, I have to lose this soap I'm using as an avatar for a while. He just doesn't deserve that this week. Haven't really changed my mind, but I can't do it this week.

Good point, I'm following suit.

I was going to start an "If we hold the Titans to under 14" thread to get rid of the thing..... but I didn't want to jinx anything.

My luck is so bad, I believe that is what happened with Jacksonville....


We had them.... we had them.

drs23
11-29-2010, 02:15 PM
Totally support AJ busting the punk. When we play them in their stadium I wish someone would hold up a sign saying "Punch a punk!" I think Aj should get a hefty fine but not suspended but don't see that occuring.

Quin should have received the game ball.

I'm not so sure he didn't recieve one. I read/heard that Kubiak handed out 4 game balls. AJ got the first one, Bush got one. Didn't read/hear who got the other 2 but you'd imagine at least that Quin was one of the other recipeints.

Maddict5
11-29-2010, 02:55 PM
I'm not so sure he didn't recieve one. I read/heard that Kubiak handed out 4 game balls. AJ got the first one, Bush got one. Didn't read/hear who got the other 2 but you'd imagine at least that Quin was one of the other recipeints.

go to HT.com. they have video of all the game ball presentations in the locker room

wagonhed
11-29-2010, 03:05 PM
Honestly the worst thing we can do is act like Kubiak did something to redeem himself this game. Our playoff hopes are still dashed, and our team is as mediocre as ever. Kubiak needs to be gone by next season and this game, no matter how cool it was, does nothing to change that.

badboy
11-29-2010, 03:18 PM
Honestly the worst thing we can do is act like Kubiak did something to redeem himself this game. Our playoff hopes are still dashed, and our team is as mediocre as ever. Kubiak needs to be gone by next season and this game, no matter how cool it was, does nothing to change that.Everything you say is correct but if we gonna boo him we also need to recognize what he does right.

GP
11-29-2010, 03:25 PM
Quin should have received the game ball.

He got three during the game.

And the most important one was the one he DIDN'T get in the Jags game.

He can be happy with his three Rusty Smith interceptions he grabbed with one hand. Thanks, Glover. I guess you won't be in the business of batting down passes anymore eh? Looks like you got the memo.

BetaV1
11-29-2010, 03:48 PM
A lot like our corners :thisbig:

Ouch! :ahhaha:

Corrosion
11-29-2010, 08:10 PM
Honestly the worst thing we can do is act like Kubiak did something to redeem himself this game. Our playoff hopes are still dashed, and our team is as mediocre as ever. Kubiak needs to be gone by next season and this game, no matter how cool it was, does nothing to change that.

So you are Ok with Bob paying Kubiak to not coach next season .... Bring in a new coach and pay him too .....
And the icing on the cake is that we will likely see a strike shortened season if there is one at all next year.
Coaches will have no contact with players during that time. So if the season starts anytime after what would normally be week one .... you are Ok with a new coach handing the team a new playbook and new scheme's a week before game one ?


I can see you spending Bob's money its easy to spend someone elses money .... but I cant see you being so silly as to expect a team to learn a playbook over a weekend ..... and expect them to function like an NFL team.

thunderkyss
11-29-2010, 08:34 PM
So you are Ok with Bob paying Kubiak to not coach next season .... Bring in a new coach and pay him too .....
And the icing on the cake is that we will likely see a strike shortened season if there is one at all next year.
Coaches will have no contact with players during that time. So if the season starts anytime after what would normally be week one .... you are Ok with a new coach handing the team a new playbook and new scheme's a week before game one ?


I can see you spending Bob's money its easy to spend someone elses money .... but I cant see you being so silly as to expect a team to learn a playbook over a weekend ..... and expect them to function like an NFL team.

I personally don't care about Bob's money. If he's going to give David Carr $8 mill, then cut him the next year, franchise Dunta after he turned down $24 mill guaranteed, & charge $8 for beer...

I think he needs to spend what he needs to spend to get a winning team.

I don't think it would be a smart thing to do. I don't think he would do it (which is why I think Kubiak can mail in the season & still be our HC in 2010)...

But if he's having second thoughts about Gary Kubiak, then (IMHO) he needs to be questioning his thought process for hiring Gary, then extending Gary. Three head coaching decisions, & now you're thinking you've got them all wrong.... I think it's time to get a director of football operations, take some power away from Kubiak & build a real organization.

wagonhed
11-29-2010, 08:43 PM
So you are Ok with Bob paying Kubiak to not coach next season .... Bring in a new coach and pay him too .....
And the icing on the cake is that we will likely see a strike shortened season if there is one at all next year.
Coaches will have no contact with players during that time. So if the season starts anytime after what would normally be week one .... you are Ok with a new coach handing the team a new playbook and new scheme's a week before game one ?


I can see you spending Bob's money its easy to spend someone elses money .... but I cant see you being so silly as to expect a team to learn a playbook over a weekend ..... and expect them to function like an NFL team.
I simply refuse to engage in speculation about next year's lockout. I have no idea whether or not, or how, it will affect coaching changes, and I don't really care until we find out more.

Kubiak needs to be gone and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to treat next year like it's just another year. Once I have solid evidence about how exactly next year will affect coaching situations, then I might engage in speculation about whether it makes financial sense or whatever. Of course, I don't really give a shit if it makes financial sense.... it makes winning sense, and that's all that matters to me.

thunderkyss
11-29-2010, 08:56 PM
I simply refuse to engage in speculation about next year's lockout. I have no idea whether or not, or how, it will affect coaching changes, and I don't really care until we find out more.

Kubiak needs to be gone and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to treat next year like it's just another year. Once I have solid evidence about how exactly next year will affect coaching situations, then I might engage in speculation about whether it makes financial sense or whatever. Of course, I don't really give a shit if it makes financial sense.... it makes winning sense, and that's all that matters to me.

I just think it's odd, that you'll wait to see what the lockout situation is going to be before you "speculate"


But you won't wait till the end of the season to "speculate" Kubiak's fate.

Corrosion
11-30-2010, 10:53 AM
I simply refuse to engage in speculation about next year's lockout. I have no idea whether or not, or how, it will affect coaching changes, and I don't really care until we find out more.

Kubiak needs to be gone and for all intents and purposes I'm just going to treat next year like it's just another year. Once I have solid evidence about how exactly next year will affect coaching situations, then I might engage in speculation about whether it makes financial sense or whatever. Of course, I don't really give a shit if it makes financial sense.... it makes winning sense, and that's all that matters to me.

Keeping him for a strike shortened season makes much more "winning sense" than bringing in a new coach , new systems on both sides of the ball and expecting players to seamlessly make the adjustment on short notice. Unless of course Bob is going to write off next season completely and get his new staff in place for the following year.


As for speculation on a work stoppage - at this point its almost inevitable. Both sides have their demands and neither side is budging ....

The most likely outcome is a shortened season. That could mean they start a week after camp is suppose to begin or they could start in week 4 or beyond.

thunderkyss
11-30-2010, 12:23 PM
Keeping him for a strike shortened season makes much more "winning sense" than bringing in a new coach....

If there is a quality coach out there right now, looking for a job.... it may make sense to get him when you can.

Hookem Horns
11-30-2010, 01:27 PM
I am for keeping Kubiak



... if the Texans run the table and win the division. It starts on Thursday night.

Corrosion
11-30-2010, 02:30 PM
If there is a quality coach out there right now, looking for a job.... it may make sense to get him when you can.

Long term - you have a point.


Question is , how much does next season mean to you. If you are Ok with pretty much mailing it in and giving that new coach the entire season to put his scheme's in place .... then by all means.

Remember what Herm Edwards said .... You play to win the game.

Ole Miss Texan
11-30-2010, 02:43 PM
I am for keeping Kubiak

... if the Texans run the table and win the division. It starts on Thursday night.

Well, it actually started on Sunday. We needed 6 straight wins to close out the season 10-6. We got 1... now there's 5 left.

houstonspartan
11-30-2010, 02:45 PM
I still want his ass gone.

thunderkyss
11-30-2010, 03:32 PM
Remember what Herm Edwards said .... You play to win the game.

Of all people to pull coaching advice from..... you go to Herm Edwards...


Catchy phrase, funny commercial.... but


C'mon man.

thunderkyss
11-30-2010, 03:34 PM
Well, it actually started on Sunday. We needed 6 straight wins to close out the season 10-6. We got 1... now there's 5 left.

ooooohhhh.. 6 straight wins.

I don't think I like the sound of that. Sounds- impossible.

Let's forget the last game... the last month all together & go for 5 straight?? The next five.

Much more manageable.

badboy
11-30-2010, 03:37 PM
Kubes has lost my trust over the last two seasons. He is more stubborn than I am. He does not adapt well to "in" game situations and imo allows his defensive coaches too much lattitude. Part of my problem is with the O & D schemes he uses and more importantly the players he selects. I think he does not have the right coaches training the new guys. Before the last draft, I thought it would be our last to choose position over BPA. Over all I feel we have not used our draft well to improve the team roster. He has chosen to ignore the free safety position while starting inexperienced corners. He has allowed our offense to basically give up entire first halves of several games before beginning the third quarter as if it were the first. He allows Pollard to deliver late or out of bounds hits that are usually costly & it happens every game. He moved Cush to Mike after allowing Bentley to remain on the roster as the back up to Demeco. It went from a bad decision to a stupid one when he took two weeks to recognise it was the wrong choice. It took him forever to get Studdard out of the starting line up. He ignored the running back situation for years and was stunned with the first full year of Slaton and then Foster. He seems to have no clue to how to handle or develop Jacoby Jones.

If the Texans were to win out and be 10-6, the euphoria would quickly wear off and I'd be right back to where I am each seasonk, worrying about the draft and free agency and which direction the next season would take as I would still have no confidence in Gary Kubiak.

drs23
11-30-2010, 07:02 PM
If the Texans were to win out and be 10-6, the euphoria would quickly wear off and I'd be right back to where I am each seasonk, worrying about the draft and free agency and which direction the next season would take as I would still have no confidence in Gary Kubiak.

Who would be your succesor choice? Are you a Cowher guy as well?

DexmanC
11-30-2010, 07:12 PM
I believe the battlecry before the season was "Tate & Slate."

Kubiak just doesn't know his personnel, and that became evident
during the second Colts game.

Corrosion
11-30-2010, 07:29 PM
Of all people to pull coaching advice from..... you go to Herm Edwards...


Catchy phrase, funny commercial.... but


C'mon man.

I guess the irony was lost in the text .....

Hervoyel
11-30-2010, 09:35 PM
I took years to decide that I was sure Kubiak had done all he could here and we needed a change. I'm not changing my mind in a week because of a good win over a bad team.

JB
11-30-2010, 10:21 PM
I guess the irony was lost in the text .....

Not on all...

Texecutioner
11-30-2010, 10:31 PM
Kubiak? Kubiak didn't even notice the fight. He turns away when anything dramatic is happening on the field.

How funny is that people are so desperate to find some sort of props for Kubes at this point that AJ beating some dirty CB's ass makes them proud of Kubes? Like he did a thing in that equation. Lol! AJ is the exact opposite of Kubes. He's a beast that shows up every Sunday.

Amazing that Kubes is in year 5 and people still have faith in a guy that's proven nothing in his career to suggest that he could make this team a consistent winner. He's just done the opposite.

Doppelganger
11-30-2010, 10:36 PM
Long term - you have a point.


Question is , how much does next season mean to you. If you are Ok with pretty much mailing it in and giving that new coach the entire season to put his scheme's in place .... then by all means.

Remember what Herm Edwards said .... You play to win the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE&playnext=1&list=PL0647CA89802E589D&index=39

JB
11-30-2010, 11:14 PM
How funny is that people are so desperate to find some sort of props for Kubes at this point that AJ beating some dirty CB's ass makes them proud of Kubes? Like he did a thing in that equation. Lol! AJ is the exact opposite of Kubes. He's a beast that shows up every Sunday.

Amazing that Kubes is in year 5 and people still have faith in a guy that's proven nothing in his career to suggest that he could make this team a consistent winner. He's just done the opposite.

What? Dude, where do you pull this from?

Lucky
12-01-2010, 06:56 AM
I can see you spending Bob's money its easy to spend someone elses money .... but I cant see you being so silly as to expect a team to learn a playbook over a weekend ..... and expect them to function like an NFL team.
So I suppose you're a proponent for keeping Frank Bush as defensive coordinator, as well? I mean, the Texans can't install a new defense over the weekend.

Bob McNair gets his ca$h from me and fans like me. And there's more where that came from, if he makes moves that push this franchise towards winning.

Corrosion
12-01-2010, 10:15 AM
So I suppose you're a proponent for keeping Frank Bush as defensive coordinator, as well? I mean, the Texans can't install a new defense over the weekend.

Bob McNair gets his ca$h from me and fans like me. And there's more where that came from, if he makes moves that push this franchise towards winning.

This defense is an enigma , Last season they started out horrible against the run and as the season wore on they became very good against the run ..... This is the same defense minus one guy (up until Ryans injury) thats getting torched thru the air ....


I dont like that Bush has the corners play off the LOS almost exclusively and expects them to stay with recievers while the pass rush isnt getting home.

Two other issues with the defense that bug the piss out of me and can probably be blamed on Bush - The LB's inability to cover TE's and RB's.
The DB's getting beat in the soft spots between the CB's and Safeties.


Whats a DC's job other than to make adjustments like that ? Week after week we see teams exploit the same things , Bush isnt making the adjustments .... He needs to go.


Firing a coordinator is one thing and can even be done during the season but firing a head coach changes everything .... not calls on one side of the ball. There's a huge difference between the two.

Runner
12-01-2010, 10:22 AM
Question is , how much does next season mean to you. If you are Ok with pretty much mailing it in and giving that new coach the entire season to put his scheme's in place .... then by all means.


I thought they pretty much (unconsciously) decided to mail it in last year when they kept Kubiak. This year could have been spent with the new coach and next year wouldn't be a big deal.

The fear of change and taking a step back is resulting in a team that is staying in place or sliding back. Biting the bullet and making a coaching change that resulted in one step back and two steps forward in either of the past couple years and the Texans would be ahead of the game now.

badboy
12-01-2010, 11:01 AM
Who would be your succesor choice? Are you a Cowher guy as well?Unfortunately, I don't see the "right guy" out there. I think Cowher would be successful but I don't see him actually here. Just a gut feeling. I am not as sure as others that next season will be reduced much if a lock out occurs. I think McNair hedges his bets and keeps Kubiak at least one more year unless maybe we go 1-4. Just to mention, I think Gruden should take the Miami college job if there is actually an offer. I also do not think Gary has to be replaced. If he were to hire a very good D. C. that can train new players and put a consistent game plan out every week, the team would be a playoff contender. The O. would be alright with only minor tweaking. We have the best WR and as of last Sunday the leading NFL rusher, a decent QB and a very good TE in Dreesen. We should be using the next draft to strengthen our bench. Instead we will be looking for another corner, defensive tackle, defensive end, an OG and probably another linebacker. Surprise, surprise! Oh, I know I only listed 6 picks but we all know we have to leave one round open for another tight end. I hope you notice that I did not mention a free safety in the draft. And if you haven't heard, Anthony Hill TE was activated yesterday.

badboy
12-01-2010, 11:07 AM
This defense is an enigma , Last season they started out horrible against the run and as the season wore on they became very good against the run ..... This is the same defense minus one guy (up until Ryans injury) thats getting torched thru the air ....


I dont like that Bush has the corners play off the LOS almost exclusively and expects them to stay with recievers while the pass rush isnt getting home.

Two other issues with the defense that bug the piss out of me and can probably be blamed on Bush - The LB's inability to cover TE's and RB's.
The DB's getting beat in the soft spots between the CB's and Safeties.


Whats a DC's job other than to make adjustments like that ? Week after week we see teams exploit the same things , Bush isnt making the adjustments .... He needs to go.


Firing a coordinator is one thing and can even be done during the season but firing a head coach changes everything .... not calls on one side of the ball. There's a huge difference between the two.Very good post! We have basically the same defensive scheme the last four years and have changed DCs. Even if one had to "change over the weekend" I doubt we'd suffer much more than now.

wagonhed
12-01-2010, 12:50 PM
Keeping him for a strike shortened season makes much more "winning sense" than bringing in a new coach , new systems on both sides of the ball and expecting players to seamlessly make the adjustment on short notice. Unless of course Bob is going to write off next season completely and get his new staff in place for the following year.


As for speculation on a work stoppage - at this point its almost inevitable. Both sides have their demands and neither side is budging ....

The most likely outcome is a shortened season. That could mean they start a week after camp is suppose to begin or they could start in week 4 or beyond.

More winning sense? You remember we are talking about KUBIAK, right? The guy doesn't win, he doesn't have what it takes to win, period. It makes ZERO winning sense to keep Kubiak for any reason. Even if a new coach could only win 5 games in this supposed shorter season (which we don't know will happen or not), he'll grow with the team and they will be experienced together, a thousand times better than another Kubiak 8-8 year.

Seriously, what do you want? You want to make sure we win 8 games next year so you won't bring in a competent head coach, just because the guys won't instantly learn the new scheme?

Terrible argument imo.

wagonhed
12-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Firing a coordinator is one thing and can even be done during the season but firing a head coach changes everything .... not calls on one side of the ball. There's a huge difference between the two.
Not sure if you've been paying attention to what's going on this season but that's kind of the point.

Corrosion
12-01-2010, 12:59 PM
Not sure if you've been paying attention to what's going on this season but that's kind of the point.

Oh Ive been paying attention .... This team has been put in position to win damn near every game its played. Thats the responsibility of Kubiak .... and to do that with the a defense thats as bad as this league has ever seen not to mention two suspensions and injuries to key players .... should tell ya something.

People are looking at the record and looking for a scapegoat .... Cant fire the players , lets fire the coach.

The Texans became the first team in the history of the NFL to lose back to back games with 10 seconds or less on the clock .... How bout a player Make a ****ing play.

DexmanC
12-01-2010, 01:06 PM
Oh Ive been paying attention .... This team has been put in position to win damn near every game its played. Thats the responsibility of Kubiak .... and to do that with the a defense thats as bad as this league has ever seen not to mention two suspensions and injuries to key players .... should tell ya something.

People are looking at the record and looking for a scapegoat .... Cant fire the players , lets fire the coach.

The Texans became the first team in the history of the NFL to lose back to back games with 10 seconds or less on the clock .... How bout a player Make a ****ing play.

The offense and defense both get around 70 plays to win the game. Many
of the games this team lost, were lost over the first THREE QUARTERS OF
PLAY. If you're not starting the game prepared, you deserve to lose.
I don't care what the final play looked like. Play a FULL GAME, and chances
are, the game is put away long before the final snap of the game.

The Eagles put the Redskins away in the 1st quarter. They didn't get up
two scores and try to play ball control. They went for THE JUGULAR.
When have the Texans ever done that under KubiYAK?

wagonhed
12-01-2010, 01:16 PM
Oh Ive been paying attention .... This team has been put in position to win damn near every game its played. Thats the responsibility of Kubiak .... and to do that with the a defense thats as bad as this league has ever seen not to mention two suspensions and injuries to key players .... should tell ya something.

People are looking at the record and looking for a scapegoat .... Cant fire the players , lets fire the coach.

The Texans became the first team in the history of the NFL to lose back to back games with 10 seconds or less on the clock .... How bout a player Make a ****ing play.

Ah, so you are another one of the "blame the players" crowd. Gotcha.

Have fun with that.

:goodluck:

Corrosion
12-01-2010, 01:20 PM
Ah, so you are another one of the "blame the players" crowd. Gotcha.

Have fun with that.

:goodluck:

Who's blowing coverages , dropping passes and missing tackles ? Is it the coaches or the players ?

wagonhed
12-01-2010, 01:25 PM
Who's blowing coverages , dropping passes and missing tackles ? Is it the coaches or the players ?

http://typo.graphr.net/images/owl-nowai.jpg

GP
12-01-2010, 01:38 PM
If I am a player who feels I am constantly outmatched, out-strategized, and will never be in the proper position to make a suitable play on the ball (on each snap) then "Yes," I start to clam up on what should be a normal, routine play. I will even start having a debate in my head, during the heat of the moment on a particular play, and can rationalize batting the ball away instead of catching it because I've been in such a contradictory environment for so long: Up is down, down is up, etc.

Players gotta' play, but the bungling of the defens's leadership and how it is asking the secondary to play is front and center, IMO. Right now, the defensive line coaches are the only coaches who should remain after this year. Our secondary coach and our LB coach should leave. And our d-coord should go, too. It's not a profitable mix, IMO. It happens.

That whole defense doesn't play as a single unit. They play as a d-line crew, a LB crew, and a secondary crew. I don't see a cohesive, united defense out there. I see three chunks of guys who are each doing a different style or strategy out there. Nothing feels like it "fits" with the other two parts. It feels like all three levels of our defense are on an island to themselves.

The only time I saw this defense play as a single, on-the-same-page defense is when we played the Cardinals in preseason. All 11 players were in sync with one another. Of course, let's look at how bad the Cards are this year too. So I digress.

Ole Miss Texan
12-01-2010, 01:54 PM
Many of the games this team lost, were lost over the first THREE QUARTERS OF PLAY.

Pretty interesting, I went back and looked at our box scores for the first 11 games of this season.

Texans are 2-4 when losing going into the 4th (all down by double digits).
Texans are 3-1 when winning going into the 4th.
Texans ore 0-1 when tied going into the 4th.
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Texans are 2-1 when winning at the half.
Texans are 1-0 when tied at the half.
Texans are 2-5 when losing at the half.

Texans have been trailing by double digits at the half 5 times this season and we have a 2-3 record in those games.

thunderkyss
12-01-2010, 07:58 PM
The Eagles put the Redskins away in the 1st quarter. They didn't get up
two scores and try to play ball control. They went for THE JUGULAR.
When have the Texans ever done that under KubiYAK?

I think the way we've played the Colts the last 3 or 4 years would fit that description.

thunderkyss
12-01-2010, 08:06 PM
Who's blowing coverages , dropping passes and missing tackles ? Is it the coaches or the players ?

I'm a sunshiner... most people know that. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

Wilson screws up, that's on him. Wilson keeps screwing up... & keeps showing up on the field for significant minutes week after week.... That's not on Wilson. It's not his fault, that we don't have a competent person ready to take his place.

& what's the deal with this offense. It looks like they know how to turn it on.... late in the third Qtr. You can set your watch by it. Why can't they manage to turn it on early in the 1st?? It would help our defense out tremendously, if our offense can put pressure on the opposing offense.

Coaches.. players, owners... equipment boy..... plenty of blame to go around.

Texecutioner
12-01-2010, 08:12 PM
This defense is an enigma , Last season they started out horrible against the run and as the season wore on they became very good against the run ..... This is the same defense minus one guy (up until Ryans injury) thats getting torched thru the air ....


I dont like that Bush has the corners play off the LOS almost exclusively and expects them to stay with recievers while the pass rush isnt getting home.

Two other issues with the defense that bug the piss out of me and can probably be blamed on Bush - The LB's inability to cover TE's and RB's.
The DB's getting beat in the soft spots between the CB's and Safeties.


Whats a DC's job other than to make adjustments like that ? Week after week we see teams exploit the same things , Bush isnt making the adjustments .... He needs to go.


Firing a coordinator is one thing and can even be done during the season but firing a head coach changes everything .... not calls on one side of the ball. There's a huge difference between the two.

Using this logic, we shouldn't fire Frank Bush either. After all the new coaches won't be able to go out and get their players and teach the current ones the new scheme. We should do the safe thing and keep what we have in place, because our players won't be able to handle such a unique transition of that kind. With this mentality it's just a total fear of change in general.

We might as well do the same thing with Barrack Obama if that's the line of thinking. Keep him around because a change is just to dangerous to attempt under the current circumstances. We simply can't take that risk of the unknown of what might happen. Another term will be the safe thing.

Corrosion
12-01-2010, 08:53 PM
I'm a sunshiner... most people know that. But there is plenty of blame to go around.

Wilson screws up, that's on him. Wilson keeps screwing up... & keeps showing up on the field for significant minutes week after week.... That's not on Wilson. It's not his fault, that we don't have a competent person ready to take his place.

& what's the deal with this offense. It looks like they know how to turn it on.... late in the third Qtr. You can set your watch by it. Why can't they manage to turn it on early in the 1st?? It would help our defense out tremendously, if our offense can put pressure on the opposing offense.

Coaches.. players, owners... equipment boy..... plenty of blame to go around.


I dont dispute that one bit ..... but so much of the venom is directed at one guy when there is more than enough blame to go around.

JB
12-01-2010, 09:09 PM
I dont dispute that one bit ..... but so much of the venom is directed at one guy when there is more than enough blame to go around.

That there is my friend! That damn beer vendor that allways runs out of Bud Light goes to the top of the list! Right behind all the idiotic assholes that think they are smarter than Einstein! Most of whom don't have a clue, but they like throwing crap out that the similar fool can associate with! Frak all them melonheads!!!

And it really gets me :pissed:

Corrosion
12-02-2010, 12:52 AM
That there is my friend! That damn beer vendor that allways runs out of Bud Light goes to the top of the list! Right behind all the idiotic assholes that think they are smarter than Einstein! Most of whom don't have a clue, but they like throwing crap out that the similar fool can associate with! Frak all them melonheads!!!

And it really gets me :pissed:

That dude needs his ass kicked ..... :bat:

b0ng
12-02-2010, 10:58 AM
If Kubiak makes it to the playoffs (I give no shits how that happens) then I will not support Tom Selleck and his beautiful mustache for the next HC position.