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Ckw
11-23-2010, 02:13 PM
Well, it looks like the old thread got deleted so here it is again. Shouldn't last long as the deadline in many leagues is tomorrow.

Just got offered Steven Jackson and Matt Schaub for Kyle Orton and Ahmad Bradshaw.

I am worried about Bradshaw. He has been fumbling the ball a lot and isn't going to continue getting goal line carries at the current rate. Philip Rivers is my QB so I can spare Orton.

I'd start:
Rivers
Foster
Jackson
Jamaal Charles
Calvin Johnson
Mike Wallace
Zach Miller
Sebastian Janikowski
Packers D

Thoughts?

JB
11-23-2010, 02:15 PM
Do it!

Ckw
11-23-2010, 02:33 PM
Ok things have just changed.

Just got proposed Frank Gore, Matt Schaub, and Marques Colston for Ahmad Bradshaw, Kyle Orton, and Mike Wallace.

THIS is tough. I get a pretty big upgrade at RB with Gore as I would have two top 5 RBs with Gore and Foster but I lose a top 10 WR in Wallace. I would still have Calvin Johnson.

Please help!

JB
11-23-2010, 02:45 PM
That does make it more interesting. Do you have any other WR's on your bench that are worth starting? Or maybe some one available on the wire?

Ckw
11-23-2010, 02:52 PM
That does make it more interesting. Do you have any other WR's on your bench that are worth starting? Or maybe some one available on the wire?

On my bench are Wes Welker, Michael Crabtree, Brandon Marshall, and the waiver wire includes guys like Lance Moore, Lee Evans, Danny Amendola, Nate Burleson, Anthony Armstrong, and Patrick Crayton. Steve Johnson is of course taken as well as any other big names.

FWIW, Colston is just heating up. Brees is getting his mojo back and is targeting Colston more and more. In fact, he is 11th in targets just after AJ.

Ckw
11-23-2010, 03:04 PM
16 views and only JB has replied? Rep to you, JB.

texanfan2002114
11-23-2010, 03:08 PM
Do the trade!! I am in 1st in all three of my money leagues and would love that trade!!

Ckw
11-23-2010, 03:20 PM
Do the trade!! I am in 1st in all three of my money leagues and would love that trade!!

You think Gore is enough of an upgrade to lose Bradshaw and Wallace?

JB
11-23-2010, 03:29 PM
16 views and only JB has replied? Rep to you, JB.

Thanks. Do it! Gore is a big upgrade imo. Schaub can get hot at times if something happens to Rivers. And like you said, Colston is starting to be a bit more productive.

Ckw
11-23-2010, 03:32 PM
Which would you recommend? Gore, Colston, & Schaub for Bradshaw, Wallace, & Orton or Steven Jackson & Schaub for Bradshaw & Orton?

Mr. White
11-23-2010, 03:32 PM
I wouldn't do it. Always thought Gore was overrated.

Maybe you guys are seeing something that I'm not.

texanfan2002114
11-23-2010, 03:33 PM
You think Gore is enough of an upgrade to lose Bradshaw and Wallace?

Its funny you ask that question. I was just sitting here thinking about it and I don't. I went and looked at Gore's stats and 4 of his last 6 games are on the road. In his first 4 games on the road he only went over 100 yards once and that was to a crappy carolina team. His 4 games on the road are against AZ, GB, SD and STL. Plus he is now dealing with some foot problems.

Wallace has been on a tear the last three games with 16 rec 362 yrds and 4 td's. With games against Buf, Cin, Car and Cle, I would take Wallace to have nice days against those teams.

texanfan2002114
11-23-2010, 03:36 PM
Which would you recommend? Gore, Colston, & Schaub for Bradshaw, Wallace, & Orton or Steven Jackson & Schaub for Bradshaw & Orton?

Thats the trade I would do.

JB
11-23-2010, 03:38 PM
Which would you recommend? Gore, Colston, & Schaub for Bradshaw, Wallace, & Orton or Steven Jackson & Schaub for Bradshaw & Orton?

I would go with the first. I think Gore has better matchups ahead than Jackson, and ditto with Colston over Wallace.

Mr. White
11-23-2010, 03:38 PM
If you can still get Schaub and Jackson, then I'd take that one. I'd stay away from Gore.

texanfan2002114
11-23-2010, 03:51 PM
I would go with the first. I think Gore has better matchups ahead than Jackson, and ditto with Colston over Wallace.

That is wrong. In the next 4 games Jackson faces DEN, AZ, NO and KC which is #31,28,13,12 in rushing def and give up on average 487 yards per game total or almost 122 per team.

Gore has to face AZ, GB, SEA and SD which is 28,18,13, and #3 in rushing def and a total of 438 yrds per game total or 109 yards per team.

The only reason why I did the next 4 games was because that is what your going to need to get into the playoffs and probably your 1st round.

Mr. White
11-23-2010, 03:55 PM
I would go with the first. I think Gore has better matchups ahead than Jackson, and ditto with Colston over Wallace.

I'd stay away from Colston too. He's my WR2 and has been junk-punching me all year. Brees likes to spread the ball around too much.

JB
11-23-2010, 03:56 PM
That is wrong. In the next 4 games Jackson faces DEN, AZ, NO and KC which is #31,28,13,12 in rushing def and give up on average 487 yards per game total or almost 122 per team.

Gore has to face AZ, GB, SEA and SD which is 28,18,13, and #3 in rushing def and a total of 438 yrds per game total or 109 yards per team.

The only reason why I did the next 4 games was because that is what your going to need to get into the playoffs and probably your 1st round.

He is probably going to make playoffs anyway. And the Gore faces STL & AZ,

Jackson faces SF & Sea.

I would rather have Gore.

texanfan2002114
11-23-2010, 04:05 PM
He is probably going to make playoffs anyway. And the Gore faces STL & AZ,

Jackson faces SF & Sea.

I would rather have Gore.

StL gives up 101.8 rushing yrds per game only 4 rushing TD's this year where SF gives up 106.8 rushing yrds per game and 6 TD's.

I don't know to many leagues that play their championship week the final week of the season due to players sitting and not playing because their team is already in the playoffs, but I could be wrong.

Just my opinion.

Also he has to give up Wallace to get Gore. Go with the first trade and get Jackson and keep Wallace.

Ckw
11-23-2010, 04:26 PM
You guys are making this VERY hard.

To the poster with Colston on his team, I know he struggled early on, but Brees has been targeting him a ton as of late.

Jackson has been very disappointing. Still consistently gets at least 10 points a game but is he that much of an upgrade over Bradshaw if an upgrade at all? Tough!

Ckw
11-23-2010, 05:06 PM
I guess the question is which lineup looks better.

QB: Philip Rivers
RB: Arian Foster
RB: Frank Gore
RB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Calvin Johnson
WR: Marques Colston
D/ST: Packers D
K: Sebastian Janikowski

OR

QB: Philip Rivers
RB: Arian Foster
RB: Steven Jackson
RB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Calvin Johnson
WR: Mike Wallace
D/ST: Packers D
K: Sebastian Janikowski

Rep to all those that contribute and give their opinions.

JB
11-23-2010, 05:41 PM
I'm still going to recommend Gore/Colston over Jackson/Wallace.

It's close, but I will go with my gut.

Dutchrudder
11-23-2010, 05:44 PM
If you are pretty much a lock to make the playoffs, check each players week 15/16 matchups. It can make a huge difference if you can get someone playing the Texans week 15 to help you go the Super Bowl...

Blake
11-24-2010, 12:19 PM
Dont people usually have a trade deadline to prevent teams out of it to dump players?

Ckw
11-24-2010, 05:42 PM
Dont people usually have a trade deadline to prevent teams out of it to dump players?

Yes. Ours was today. Thanks for all the advice guys. I made the trade for Frank Gore. Happy with it since it was just announced that Bradshaw is no longer the starter.

JB
11-24-2010, 05:47 PM
Yes. Ours was today. Thanks for all the advice guys. I made the trade for Frank Gore. Happy with it since it was just announced that Bradshaw is no longer the starter.

I think you will be pleased.

Mailman
11-24-2010, 10:41 PM
Yes. Ours was today. Thanks for all the advice guys. I made the trade for Frank Gore. Happy with it since it was just announced that Bradshaw is no longer the starter.

Sorry for the late response, but that is a good trade. Had I not been late to the party I would've recommended jumping all over it because a Foster/Gore RB duo will prove deadly to your opponents, especially in ppr leagues.

Dutchrudder
11-30-2010, 01:30 PM
Yes. Ours was today. Thanks for all the advice guys. I made the trade for Frank Gore. Happy with it since it was just announced that Bradshaw is no longer the starter.

You better get on the wire and grab Westbrook now, Gore is done for the season with a broken hip.

texanfan2002114
12-01-2010, 10:02 AM
I think you will be pleased.

How pleased do you think he is now? Told you to do the other trade!

Kaiser Toro
12-01-2010, 10:08 AM
I played a dude that had Gore this week, while I have Foster and Hillis. The opponent cursed himself asking for Foster and Hillis' ACLs to be snapped prior to last week's games. God bless Fantasy karma.

Ckw
12-01-2010, 10:20 AM
You better get on the wire and grab Westbrook now, Gore is done for the season with a broken hip.

Already done.

How pleased do you think he is now? Told you to do the other trade!

:mariopalm:

Yeah, it hurts. Granted, I would have been better keeping Bradshaw than getting Jackson. Jackson has been terrible this year.

:kubepalm:

JB
12-01-2010, 10:27 AM
How pleased do you think he is now? Told you to do the other trade!

Are you claiming that injury was foreseeable?

Pure asshattery

Mr. White
12-01-2010, 10:30 AM
Are you claiming that injury was foreseeable?

Pure asshattery

I thought it was. Gore has screwed more guys than Annabel Chong.

Dutchrudder
12-01-2010, 10:34 AM
Next year Frank Gore will have the dreaded Ronnie Brown status. Too much injury risk.

dc_txtech
12-01-2010, 10:39 AM
Are you claiming that injury was foreseeable?

Pure asshattery

Yeah, no way of telling who is going to get injured. Gore would have gone for 200 yards easily had he stayed in the game.

GP
12-01-2010, 10:44 AM
This is why I am done with Fantasy Football.

Because unforeseen things like Gore's injury just lets all the air out of the tires.

I mean, I know you guys will roast me for coming here and saying this, but I can't resist it. Like a moth to the flame, so to speak.

So much "work" gets put into shaping your roster, and then dumb things like this happen. Hours of planning, strategizing, and then BAM! it was all for nothing.

Still, I can understand why some people can remain undeterred and actually embrace and love all of these sorts of things that drive me absolutely bonkers.

The best league I have ever been in? The one where you draft all starters AND your bench players, whom you also drafted, also get THEIR points counted every week. It beats having to make roster decisions every week. Once you got your team drafted, it's on auto-pilot unles you want to make some tweaks here and there. But at least it allows you to have more than just your starters' points count.

In years' past, I had a strong bench but could never capitalize on it. Now, this year's league makes it possible.

Ckw
12-01-2010, 02:20 PM
This is why I am done with Fantasy Football.

Because unforeseen things like Gore's injury just lets all the air out of the tires.

I mean, I know you guys will roast me for coming here and saying this, but I can't resist it. Like a moth to the flame, so to speak.

So much "work" gets put into shaping your roster, and then dumb things like this happen. Hours of planning, strategizing, and then BAM! it was all for nothing.

Still, I can understand why some people can remain undeterred and actually embrace and love all of these sorts of things that drive me absolutely bonkers.

The best league I have ever been in? The one where you draft all starters AND your bench players, whom you also drafted, also get THEIR points counted every week. It beats having to make roster decisions every week. Once you got your team drafted, it's on auto-pilot unles you want to make some tweaks here and there. But at least it allows you to have more than just your starters' points count.

In years' past, I had a strong bench but could never capitalize on it. Now, this year's league makes it possible.

This is why you have to build a deep, strong team. I am still starting Arian Foster and Jamaal Charles so I still feel good about my chances. Wes Welker is FINALLY starting to turn things around a bit so I can put him at the flex or #2 WR, and I went out and jumped on Brian Westbrook as soon as I heard about the injury. I also have Maurice Morris and LeGarrette Blount at RB. Sure, it isn't the same as starting Foster, Gore, and Charles every week, but this is how the cookie crumbles.

It was still a great trade that I worked out. Just sucks that my first game with Gore has to end with him injured for the season. Ouch...

texanfan2002114
12-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Are you claiming that injury was foreseeable?

Pure asshattery

He was already having problems injury problems this year. So yes I saw an injury coming.

JB
12-01-2010, 06:19 PM
He was already having problems injury problems this year. So yes I saw an injury coming.

Yeah, I saw that broken hip coming also... those foot problems lead to that everytime, right? :rolleyes:

You just like saying "told you so".