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silvrhand
11-15-2010, 10:34 PM
I'm sorry if everyone is picking a team I'm going with a winner..

Bill Cowher: Head Coach
OC: Kevin Gilbride
DC: Wade Phillips

Doh Kevin apparently has been interviewed a few times of late?

http://www.thegoodpoint.com/football/images/090107billcowher.jpg

HTown2ATX
11-15-2010, 10:39 PM
I'm sorry if everyone is picking a team I'm going with a winner..

Bill Cowher: Head Coach
OC: Kevin Gilbride
DC: Wade Phillips

Doh Kevin apparently has been interviewed a few times of late?

Lol....can we get one of Gilbride's kids in here as OC and Rob Ryan as DC.... :evil:

Could go for a coordinator fight on the sidelines ala Buddy vs. Kevin....

:lol:

brakos82
11-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Hoo-rah!

painekiller
11-15-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm sorry if everyone is picking a team I'm going with a winner..

Bill Cowher: Head Coach
OC: Kevin Gilbride
DC: Wade Phillips

Doh Kevin apparently has been interviewed a few times of late?

The trouble with Gilbride is his offense has no resemblance to a WCO. He uses a completely different playbook, and verbiage.

IMO no matter what HC you choose, try to bring in someone familar with the WCO so we can at least have some of our offensive strength.

I would try to go with your choices of Cowher for HC, and Wade Phillips for DC, and how about Brad Childress, he will be looking for a job come January and is a WCO guy.

Texecutioner
11-15-2010, 10:52 PM
Lol....can we get one of Gilbride's kids in here as OC and Rob Ryan as DC.... :evil:

Could go for a coordinator fight on the sidelines ala Buddy vs. Kevin....

:lol:

I know his son actually and he's working for the Giants as we speak. There was a nice article about him recently saying how impressed Coughlin has been with him. I don't think that Gilbride is going anywhere though. He'll probably stay as the OC, and young Gilbride will probably stay there with him as well until he gets more experience.

GuerillaBlack
11-15-2010, 10:58 PM
*salutes*

IlliniJen
11-15-2010, 11:45 PM
/puts on monocle

I do say, old chaps, I heartly approve of this thread and Sir Chin. May he beat a quick path to our fair city by the gulf.

DiehardChris
11-15-2010, 11:48 PM
I'll take Cowher if he can bring Dick LeBeau with him from Pittsburgh. Otherwise - meh. He's gonna be a big money coaching bust without that awesome D.C. he had.

TheMatrix31
11-15-2010, 11:59 PM
I'm down for Cowher/Whisenhunt/Grimm reunion, 3 out of 4 aint bad if LeBeau can't come.

Norg
11-16-2010, 12:15 AM
Well we can dream while we are at it lets Get Peyton manning in here has QB

and lets pick up Larry Fitz has our #3 Wr :P

Hookem Horns
11-16-2010, 12:16 AM
Giants fans call their OC Kevin Killdrive. Not sure what is so impressive about him.

Tonaaayyyy
11-16-2010, 12:18 AM
We could only dream.

TexCanada
11-16-2010, 12:30 AM
I would definitely want Cowher over Gruden. I just don't think Gruden could stop marveling over The Forehead long enough to actually coach a team.

brakos82
11-16-2010, 12:32 AM
I would definitely want Cowher over Gruden. I just don't think Gruden could stop marveling over The Forehead long enough to actually coach a team.

:lol:

:grudenpalm

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/01/17/amd_gruden.jpg

closest I could find.

Txn_in_FL
11-16-2010, 01:22 AM
Cowher would be my pick. Fire and accountability is what this team needs. The more I see of Kubiak, the more I see Pardee. Just standing there clueless on the sideline.

My hope since the inception of this franchise was for Houston to win a Super Bowl before Bud dies. THat is the most perfect justice I can think of for what he has done. Every season that passes this just seems like less of a reality.

Brisco_County
11-16-2010, 01:45 AM
One thing Cowher would bring to the table is his shrewdness in selecting his staff. His network is wide, and anyone he picks would be willing to work for him.

imatexan
11-16-2010, 01:58 AM
I would LOVE to have my favorite coach ever in Bill Cowher be our head coach...when I say LOVE I mean it would be football coach heaven for me.

It is not going to happen though so no reason to dream because those dreams are not coming true.

silvrhand
11-16-2010, 06:59 AM
Cowher would be my pick. Fire and accountability is what this team needs. The more I see of Kubiak, the more I see Pardee. Just standing there clueless on the sideline.

My hope since the inception of this franchise was for Houston to win a Super Bowl before Bud dies. THat is the most perfect justice I can think of for what he has done. Every season that passes this just seems like less of a reality.

Jack Pardee made it to the playoffs at least..

TheCD
11-16-2010, 09:58 AM
It is not going to happen though so no reason to dream because those dreams are not coming true.

Why do you say it's not a possibility. He has expressed interest in coaching our team in the past, and consistently talks about the talent level of our team. Heck, earlier this year he stated that Andre Johnson was the best player in the league...

For everyone talking about his Carolina roots, his wife did recently pass away. That might actually cause him to want a change of scenery from where he was living.

My point is that there have been statements of his interest for us in the past, but I have yet to see one thing that has stated his disinterest in our team.

b0ng
11-16-2010, 10:02 AM
Somebody needs to do a few things for me before I would sign on for a Bill Cowher love fest:

1.) Why are the Houston Texans different from the other billion and a half team fan bases that think Cowher is coming there?

2.) Would Bob McNair actually pay a lot of money for a coach?

3.) I need a brief yet strong description of his mustache.

HOU-TEX
11-16-2010, 10:07 AM
After last night, Jim Haslet might be available for DC. :hides:

TheCD
11-16-2010, 10:13 AM
1.) Why are the Houston Texans different from the other billion and a half team fan bases that think Cowher is coming there?

Cowher has stated interest in us in the past and has said he likes the talent on our team. He's stated Andre is the best player in the NFL and he always talks up Matt. Not too much there for you, but it's more than almost any other team can boast.

2.) Would Bob McNair actually pay a lot of money for a coach?

If McNair actually understands where this team is at compared to where it should be, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't. He is a businessman after all, and despite the (unfounded) rumors that he is frugal, I think that he understands there comes a point in time in business when you have to take calculated risks. Mario was one of those risks. I think a high-priced coach with a proven record would be a logical step for him to take for the next HC.

3.) I need a brief yet strong description of his mustache.

It is very subtle and delicate, yet very masculine. You may not notice it's striking appearance at first, but once you do you will not be able to look away. His mustache says that he is a man, but he is willing to cut across what is popular and avoid the dreaded goatee. His mustache alone will make his players respect his passion for the game.

DiehardChris
11-16-2010, 11:08 AM
Cowher (or any other coach) saying they have interest in the Texans means nothing. They will say that about any job, because it gives them negotiating leverage. There isn't an available high-profile coach in the NFL that WON'T say "I'd love to have the Texans job." It would be bad business to do otherwise.

houstonspartan
11-16-2010, 11:15 AM
Cowher (or any other coach) saying they have interest in the Texans means nothing. They will say that about any job, because it gives them negotiating leverage. There isn't an available high-profile coach in the NFL that WON'T say "I'd love to have the Texans job." It would be bad business to do otherwise.

So, you've said on your blog that you refuse to talk candidates until the end of the season (which is smart, IMO), yet, at the same time, you slam the idea of Bill Cowher.

Ok, so who do you want? Who are your choices? I think your idea of waiting until after the season to start thinking about the next choice is a wise move. But, you seem to know, already, exactly who do don't want.

GP
11-16-2010, 11:35 AM
Everything is borken.

The owner is broken.

His minions underneath him who push out the B.S. Hype Machine are broken.

His GM is broken.

The coaches are broken.

And even the players are broken.

Face it: Even if we COULD get Cowher, you guys seriously think that he can overcome all that junk above him and below him?

If he did, he'd be the best coach in the game who has ever coached in the entire history of the NFL. Period.

Because whoever is HC of the Texans is looking at having to completely change the culture that'll surround him once he gets here. Oh, the facility is nice. And the players are as talented as the franchise has ever experienced in its existence in the NFL. But there's a looming, dark cloud of indifference that has permeated the franchise. It sits there like chemical waste residue, and coaches and players continue to wade into it without the proper hazmat gear.

Regardless of how squeaky clean this team tries to portray itself, it's broken. It's the neat, proper suburban family who looks good on the outside but the private lives of the family members are shattered and dysfunctional.

Sorry if that's being a Doug Downer. It's just the truth.

GuerillaBlack
11-16-2010, 11:46 AM
Cowher (or any other coach) saying they have interest in the Texans means nothing. They will say that about any job, because it gives them negotiating leverage. There isn't an available high-profile coach in the NFL that WON'T say "I'd love to have the Texans job." It would be bad business to do otherwise.

Name the other teams where Cowher has said he liked the talent and where it has been rumored that he wants the job. The Texans are the only team that has repeatedly come up with Cowher.

ThaShark316
11-16-2010, 11:50 AM
Cowher would get booed in 2011 after 0-1, losing 20-19 on a last second FG.

Ole Miss Texan
11-16-2010, 12:18 PM
Name the other teams where Cowher has said he liked the talent and where it has been rumored that he wants the job. The Texans are the only team that has repeatedly come up with Cowher.

1. Can I have a link to where COWHER said he would like to coach here? The only thing I ever recall is from an espn.com beatwriter that said a source told him if an opportunity with the Texans or Bears ever arose that it would "excite" Cowher.

2. In regards to whenever Cowher has said (on air as an analyst) how great Andre Johnson is or how good Matt Schaub was last year... that doesn't mean he wants to coach here. If that were the case, every single analyst on TV would be in the HC discussion talks for our team. AJ is the best, Matt Schaub was great, Arian Foster is incredible, Pollard has incredible ball skills. Okay maybe that last part was exhaggerated.

3. Cowher and the HC gig here in Houston is "the only one that repeatedly comes up" is because we're the only fans desperate enough to run with a quote from a beatwriter from a year ago that has an unnamed source that BC would be "excited" about an opening with us... and another team! On top of that, other teams that have had a link to him have been shot down (I think the Bills?)... while the Texans nor Cowher have said a single thing because our organization/owner hasn't indicated for once that a HC position here might be available anytime in the near future.

4. I'm not a Cowher hater. I really really want Kubiak to succeed here. If for some reason, Mr. Kubes has to go, I would definitely be excited about the opportunity to have Cowher as HC here. I love his passion and fire... and his resume/success. I think he'd have a good ability to hire assistants under him, I think we've got a great base/foundation in place and I think we'd see success. BC would be my #1 choice as a replacement. But I'm not calling for Kubiak to get fired, I want him to succeed first and foremost.

houstonspartan
11-16-2010, 12:31 PM
1. Can I have a link to where COWHER said he would like to coach here? The only thing I ever recall is from an espn.com beatwriter that said a source told him if an opportunity with the Texans or Bears ever arose that it would "excite" Cowher.

2. In regards to whenever Cowher has said (on air as an analyst) how great Andre Johnson is or how good Matt Schaub was last year... that doesn't mean he wants to coach here. If that were the case, every single analyst on TV would be in the HC discussion talks for our team. AJ is the best, Matt Schaub was great, Arian Foster is incredible, Pollard has incredible ball skills. Okay maybe that last part was exhaggerated.

3. Cowher and the HC gig here in Houston is "the only one that repeatedly comes up" is because we're the only fans desperate enough to run with a quote from a beatwriter from a year ago that has an unnamed source that BC would be "excited" about an opening with us... and another team! On top of that, other teams that have had a link to him have been shot down (I think the Bills?)... while the Texans nor Cowher have said a single thing because our organization/owner hasn't indicated for once that a HC position here might be available anytime in the near future.

4. I'm not a Cowher hater. I really really want Kubiak to succeed here. If for some reason, Mr. Kubes has to go, I would definitely be excited about the opportunity to have Cowher as HC here. I love his passion and fire... and his resume/success. I think he'd have a good ability to hire assistants under him, I think we've got a great base/foundation in place and I think we'd see success. BC would be my #1 choice as a replacement. But I'm not calling for Kubiak to get fired, I want him to succeed first and foremost.


You have got to be kidding me. You are STILL waiting for Kubiak to "get it"?

No offense, but you seem like one of those people that are afraid of success.

We all want Kubak to succeed here. But he's not. It's been been FIVE YEARS.

FIVE.

Look at the NFL this year. There are no dominant teams, and a lot of teams that are in the middle. Guess why? Parity.

Any team in the NFL can break-out and make things happen.

No excuses.

DiehardChris
11-16-2010, 01:30 PM
So, you've said on your blog that you refuse to talk candidates until the end of the season (which is smart, IMO), yet, at the same time, you slam the idea of Bill Cowher.

Ok, so who do you want? Who are your choices? I think your idea of waiting until after the season to start thinking about the next choice is a wise move. But, you seem to know, already, exactly who do don't want.

I'm sure I'll break eventually and do a candidate entry - don't want to get left in the dust, heh. I just don't see the point because he's not going to get fired anytime soon, and the field of candidates isn't complete. I'm going to take my time deciding who I want, because I don't want just a different coach - I want the RIGHT coach.

Right now - and it's way early - I would consider (no particular order) Coodinators: Leslie Frazier, Sean McDermott, Rob Ryan (Ryan has taken some convincing but others have kind of turned me on to him).

Experienced HC candidates - I like Gruden a lot, but like Jimmie Johnson I think he likes being a celebrity as much or more than he likes being a coach. Cowher would easily top my list if he came with LeBeau. If it's just him AND he wants personnel control, as he's rumored to want - he's on my list, but way down it. I think John Fox is a good coach. He hasn't accomplished much in Carolina, but he hasn't had much talent to work with.

In short - I have NO idea at this point because it's way too early - and I'm not at all convinced that Kubiak will be fired, unless they finish 6-10 or worse, and even then I'm not convinced.

Mr teX
11-16-2010, 02:03 PM
I'll take Cowher if he can bring Dick LeBeau with him from Pittsburgh. Otherwise - meh. He's gonna be a big money coaching bust without that awesome D.C. he had.

rep..

TheMatrix31
11-16-2010, 06:35 PM
Everything is borken.

The owner is broken.

His minions underneath him who push out the B.S. Hype Machine are broken.

His GM is broken.

The coaches are broken.

And even the players are broken.

Face it: Even if we COULD get Cowher, you guys seriously think that he can overcome all that junk above him and below him?

If he did, he'd be the best coach in the game who has ever coached in the entire history of the NFL. Period.

Because whoever is HC of the Texans is looking at having to completely change the culture that'll surround him once he gets here. Oh, the facility is nice. And the players are as talented as the franchise has ever experienced in its existence in the NFL. But there's a looming, dark cloud of indifference that has permeated the franchise. It sits there like chemical waste residue, and coaches and players continue to wade into it without the proper hazmat gear.

Regardless of how squeaky clean this team tries to portray itself, it's broken. It's the neat, proper suburban family who looks good on the outside but the private lives of the family members are shattered and dysfunctional.

Sorry if that's being a Doug Downer. It's just the truth.

And you don't think Cowher, who is one of the best and most respected coaches in NFL history, could change that culture?

PHAROAH
11-16-2010, 08:45 PM
Come on Bill we need you baby or Tony Dungy either will do.

CretorFrigg
11-16-2010, 08:50 PM
Name the other teams where Cowher has said he liked the talent and where it has been rumored that he wants the job. The Texans are the only team that has repeatedly come up with Cowher.

Haven't there been reports about Cowher wanting to stay in Carolina and coaching the Panthers?

SheTexan
11-16-2010, 08:56 PM
Come on Bill we need you baby or Tony Dungy either will do.

I don't want ANY coach that butt kisses PM to the point of nausea!! So that leaves out Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden!!

Cowher would be a steel, but, it ain't gonna happen. Personally, IF we get a new HC, which I doubt, it better be an experienced HC with some balls. Just tired of being the training grounds for wanna-be NFL coaches. PLEASE for gawds sake, give us someone who knows what the hell they are doing!!

TheMatrix31
11-16-2010, 09:01 PM
If you're a coach, you're not going to be butt kissing anybody on the other teams.

SheTexan
11-16-2010, 09:08 PM
If you're a coach, you're not going to be butt kissing anybody on the other teams.

Every coach in the league butt kisses PM. They THINK he can't be beat, they THINK he's indistructable, they THINK his poop don't stink, they are afraid of the dude, IMHO!!

Pantherstang84
11-16-2010, 09:16 PM
I don't want ANY coach that butt kisses PM to the point of nausea!! So that leaves out Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden!!

Cowher would be a steel, but, it ain't gonna happen. Personally, IF we get a new HC, which I doubt, it better be an experienced HC with some balls. Just tired of being the training grounds for wanna-be NFL coaches. PLEASE for gawds sake, give us someone who knows what the hell they are doing!!

So we will let personal feelings dictate who the next coach will be? I think that is how the Texans have gotten into the mess they are in.

brakos82
11-16-2010, 09:30 PM
I don't want ANY coach that butt kisses PM to the point of nausea!! So that leaves out Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden!!

Cowher would be a steel, but, it ain't gonna happen. Personally, IF we get a new HC, which I doubt, it better be an experienced HC with some balls. Just tired of being the training grounds for wanna-be NFL coaches. PLEASE for gawds sake, give us someone who knows what the hell they are doing!!

I see what you did there...... :ahhaha:

Texan_Bill
11-16-2010, 09:34 PM
I'm sorry if everyone is picking a team I'm going with a winner..

Bill Cowher: Head Coach
OC: Kevin Gilbride
DC: Wade Phillips

Doh Kevin apparently has been interviewed a few times of late?

http://www.thegoodpoint.com/football/images/090107billcowher.jpg

Standard issue:

http://www.dryeyepain.com/Safety-goggle.jpg

GuerillaBlack
11-17-2010, 12:06 AM
Haven't there been reports about Cowher wanting to stay in Carolina and coaching the Panthers?

Yeah, but that was when his wife was still living. Since her death, Cowher has no ties to Carolina, has his daughters are off to college now, as well. I think going back to coaching can help Cowher.

I'd love to see Cowher as the HC, Wade as the DC, and maybe Whisenhunt as the OC if he gets fired this year.

houstonspartan
11-17-2010, 12:28 AM
Yeah, but that was when his wife was still living. Since her death, Cowher has no ties to Carolina, has his daughters are off to college now, as well. I think going back to coaching can help Cowher.

I'd love to see Cowher as the HC, Wade as the DC, and maybe Whisenhunt as the OC if he gets fired this year.

I think keeping his gig as an analyist has helped him. It has given him structure and a distraction he surely needs. Coaching is another matter altogether. It's a major grind.

As I said, this will hinge on whether he's ready to coach again. You don't get over something like what he's been through overnight.

Texecutioner
11-17-2010, 02:29 AM
Yeah, but that was when his wife was still living. Since her death, Cowher has no ties to Carolina, has his daughters are off to college now, as well. I think going back to coaching can help Cowher.

I'd love to see Cowher as the HC, Wade as the DC, and maybe Whisenhunt as the OC if he gets fired this year.

You know I'm starting to really think that this whole stigma of Cowher wanting to be in Carolina so bad is more of a myth than this unwritten part of the future like everyone seems to think. The Texans are a much more attractive situation than Carolina is right now if this job were to open up. Cowher almost took a job in Buffalo last off season for crying out loud. He'll come here if he's being paid handsomely and if he feels that Mcnair will be committed to winning. The question is whether or not Bob Mcnair will put his salesman face on and take the necessary measures to lure him in here and convince Cowher that he wants him to build a dynasty for him in this city.

sometexansfan
11-17-2010, 02:54 AM
If we get a good personnel guy to team up with Cowher sure, but I don't really want another coach to come in and try out hand picking his players.

GuerillaBlack
11-17-2010, 09:20 AM
If we get a good personnel guy to team up with Cowher sure, but I don't really want another coach to come in and try out hand picking his players.

Really? Last year, Casey Hampton said he would sign with Houston if Cowher became the head coach. He sure could have helped us this year.

TheCD
11-17-2010, 09:53 AM
I'd love to see Cowher as the HC, Wade as the DC, and maybe Whisenhunt as the OC if he gets fired this year.

I'm a little hesitant about Wade, though I know he is a good coordinator. But with the things Wisenhunt has done for Fitzgerald to get him open and able to make plays...think what the guy could do for AJ.

One question, though: what is his offensive philosophy? I personally really enjoy WC offenses, though it really wouldn't matter if the offense works...

sometexansfan
11-17-2010, 03:38 PM
Really? Last year, Casey Hampton said he would sign with Houston if Cowher became the head coach. He sure could have helped us this year.

If he can bring over some guys from Pittsburgh fine, but I'm talking about running the draft.

GP
11-17-2010, 03:54 PM
You know I'm starting to really think that this whole stigma of Cowher wanting to be in Carolina so bad is more of a myth than this unwritten part of the future like everyone seems to think. The Texans are a much more attractive situation than Carolina is right now if this job were to open up. Cowher almost took a job in Buffalo last off season for crying out loud. He'll come here if he's being paid handsomely and if he feels that Mcnair will be committed to winning. The question is whether or not Bob Mcnair will put his salesman face on and take the necessary measures to lure him in here and convince Cowher that he wants him to build a dynasty for him in this city.

The only advantage I can see, of how Bob McNair sticks with a head coach to the very bitter end of the head coach's tenure here, is that it would make someone like BILL COWHER feel more at ease about taking the job.

Bill is not going to want to work for an owner who might pull the plug after a bad season or two.

McNair's greatest fault might be his best asset with trying to sell a guy like Cowher on being the next head coach.

If Kubiak assembled the offense and its weapons to the point that a defensive-minded coach, such as Cowher, could come in and basically capitalize off of Kubiak's labors for the past five years...then Kubiak will have served a wonderful purpose here: Setting up the NEXTguy to bring home the title for us.

Because let's face it...that's what we're in this thing for: A championship. And hopefully, a legacy afterward.

Cowher has been there. Done that. If he tells the players to do something a certain way, they won't be second-guessing him. He has a track record. You don't win titles and make the playoffs in the NFL as many times as Cowher has just because you stumbled into it. The coach knows what he's doing.

Our current coach doesn't. Great builder of an offense. Bad head coach.

houstonspartan
11-17-2010, 04:11 PM
The only advantage I can see, of how Bob McNair sticks with a head coach to the very bitter end of the head coach's tenure here, is that it would make someone like BILL COWHER feel more at ease about taking the job.

Bill is not going to want to work for an owner who might pull the plug after a bad season or two.

McNair's greatest fault might be his best asset with trying to sell a guy like Cowher on being the next head coach.

If Kubiak assembled the offense and its weapons to the point that a defensive-minded coach, such as Cowher, could come in and basically capitalize off of Kubiak's labors for the past five years...then Kubiak will have served a wonderful purpose here: Setting up the NEXTguy to bring home the title for us.

Because let's face it...that's what we're in this thing for: A championship. And hopefully, a legacy afterward.

Cowher has been there. Done that. If he tells the players to do something a certain way, they won't be second-guessing him. He has a track record. You don't win titles and make the playoffs in the NFL as many times as Cowher has just because you stumbled into it. The coach knows what he's doing.

Our current coach doesn't. Great builder of an offense. Bad head coach.


Amen. That's what I've been saying.

We are going to become a team like the Bucs: Coach B wins a Super Bowl with Coach A's players.

After we win it all, we will spend YEARS discussing how Coach B isn't that great of a coach because he won with Kubiak's players.

Either way, I'll take it.

Texecutioner
11-17-2010, 06:04 PM
Amen. That's what I've been saying.

We are going to become a team like the Bucs: Coach B wins a Super Bowl with Coach A's players.

After we win it all, we will spend YEARS discussing how Coach B isn't that great of a coach because he won with Kubiak's players.


You'd never hear me say that. This wouldn't be some situation like what happened with the Bucs when Gruden came in there. I'd never credit Kubiak if another HC came in here and won a SB for the simple fact that Kubes never could even make the post season in 5 seasons. Kubiak may have built a nice offense up, but hell this offense wasn't even good until his 3rd season and until this year the Texans have had all sorts of RZ problems in this offense. We've never had a good defense under Kubiak either. If another HC came in here and immediately does a lot, I'm not going to credit a guy that sat around here for 5 years trying to build something that he never went anywhere with. He just needs to go. This team needs a new HC and a new GM.

GuerillaBlack
11-18-2010, 01:14 AM
If he can bring over some guys from Pittsburgh fine, but I'm talking about running the draft.

The Steelers built through the draft. Go look at Cowher's history and where he got his best players.

sometexansfan
11-18-2010, 04:32 AM
The Steelers built through the draft. Go look at Cowher's history and where he got his best players.

True the Steelers build through the draft, heck they're still drafting well without Cowher around, which to me speaks more about their personnel people. If he can bring somebody over from there to team up with, then I'm all for him, but I'm not so sure about giving him 100% control over personnel, which he's been rumored to want if he becomes a HC again.

GuerillaBlack
11-18-2010, 12:15 PM
True the Steelers build through the draft, heck they're still drafting well without Cowher around, which to me speaks more about their personnel people. If he can bring somebody over from there to team up with, then I'm all for him, but I'm not so sure about giving him 100% control over personnel, which he's been rumored to want if he becomes a HC again.

I'd give him 100% control, especially if he can bring some Steeler personnel over. His track record speaks for itself.

houstonspartan
11-18-2010, 12:17 PM
I'd give him 100% control, especially if he can bring some Steeler personnel over. His track record speaks for itself.

I've never been a fan of giving any coach 100 percent control. I think you need that good, creative tension between a head coach and general manager to get things done.

GuerillaBlack
11-18-2010, 12:19 PM
I've never been a fan of giving any coach 100 percent control. I think you need that good, creative tension between a head coach and general manager to get things done.

I'm just saying I'd let Cowher bring in a competent GM and they both can go to work for the Texans.

houstonspartan
11-18-2010, 12:21 PM
I'm just saying I'd let Cowher bring in a competent GM and they both can go to work for the Texans.

I'm also not a fan of the coach picking the GM. It should be the other way around.

GuerillaBlack
11-18-2010, 12:29 PM
I'm also not a fan of the coach picking the GM. It should be the other way around.

Well I disagree there. I'd let Cowher pick the GM, hopefully someone from the Steelers.

GP
11-18-2010, 12:44 PM
I think the GM here has more sway with McNair than the coach does.

Rick Smith is going to be around for a very very long time.

The key will be, IMO, to get a guy like Cowher who will say "No. You can keep Rick Smith and his role the way it is, but with amendments and alterations based upon what I want as head coach."

I imagine a guy like Cowher would ensure that if he wants to sign a Cedric benson-type player and needs a few extra dollars to get it done...then it's going to get done. If Cowher wants something, he needs to be able to veto any dispute Rick Smith might have.

This would have to be done under extreme discipline and with the understanding that the GM still gets to be a major part of the process--mostly with the actual construction of the contract(s)--but when it comes to identifying and securing a player that The Chin says he wants...I think Cowher has to be assured he can get that player.

houstonspartan
11-18-2010, 12:54 PM
I think the GM here has more sway with McNair than the coach does.

Rick Smith is going to be around for a very very long time.

The key will be, IMO, to get a guy like Cowher who will say "No. You can keep Rick Smith and his role the way it is, but with amendments and alterations based upon what I want as head coach."

I imagine a guy like Cowher would ensure that if he wants to sign a Cedric benson-type player and needs a few extra dollars to get it done...then it's going to get done. If Cowher wants something, he needs to be able to veto any dispute Rick Smith might have.

This would have to be done under extreme discipline and with the understanding that the GM still gets to be a major part of the process--mostly with the actual construction of the contract(s)--but when it comes to identifying and securing a player that The Chin says he wants...I think Cowher has to be assured he can get that player.


Well, but, the thing is, McNair will give Kubiak anything he wants. ANYTHING. I just think Kubiak is too clueless to do anything substantial with it. Why do you think this job is considered a hot job? Because coaches know that if they come here, they have full financial support from McNair. We can get almost any coach we wanted.

I agree about Rick Smith. He ain't going nowhere. I actually like the talent he's been able to find.

TimeKiller
11-18-2010, 02:00 PM
I agree about Rick Smith. He ain't going nowhere. I actually like the talent he's been able to find.

Like who? Trindon Holliday? Shelley Smith? Frank Okam? Brandon Harrison? Brandon Frye? Oh forgive me (and Fred Bennett) I'm just picking on all the players that don't have a job in the NFL....well, let's just skip all the picks that are still on the roster but don't play a single down ever EVER EVER especially in the face of epic failure and go right to all the superstars that Rick Smith is responsible for picking.....

uh....

that....guy.....who....is both really popular and good at football......uh....what's his name....

Frankly, nobody seems to discount him for using 2 #1 picks on substance abusers. Here it is. -1 point.

Oh damnit, I still have not named that superstar that he picked, what's his name again?

MEGA SWATT
11-21-2010, 04:33 PM
You brought back football Mr. Mcnair, so you can get this done for sure!

http://www.caiocacau.com/imagens/mcnair2.jpg
http://www.mkrob.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/cowher2.jpg
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/cowher-super-bowl.jpg
http://prosportsblogging.com/psb/uploads/2010/11/bill-cowher.jpg

kiwitexansfan
11-21-2010, 04:33 PM
Thread already exists.

GuerillaBlack
11-21-2010, 04:34 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77658

MEGA SWATT
11-21-2010, 04:35 PM
Thread already exists.

Well, my apologies. I did a search and it did not come up nor was it on the first page either.

So the the message gets out double--thats ok imo.

maybe this can be merged into the other thread. My bad.

Dutchrudder
11-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Well, my apologies. I did a search and it did not come up nor was it on the first page either.

So the the message gets out double--thats ok imo.

maybe this can be merged into the other thread. My bad.

It's ok, failure happens - see Texans D.

MEGA SWATT
11-21-2010, 04:44 PM
It's ok, failure happens - see Texans D.

:clap::goodpost:

GuerillaBlack
11-22-2010, 01:13 AM
One thing is for sure, if McNair wants all the publicity and national spotlight, Cowher would be the best coach for that. Even if the Texans only win one or two more games (or none) the rest of the year, best believe the Texans will get three or more nationally televised games, including a Sunday Night game, with Cowher as the coach. You don't think the league would love televising Cowher's first game back as a HC? The analysts and people around the NFL know that the Texans have plenty of talent. They just don't have a leader and someone to point them in the right direction. With Cowher, this team's talent would be freaking scary.

ubecool454
11-22-2010, 03:26 AM
I'll put my money on the line and bet that Cowher will be the Panthers coach in 2011. The Texans will have to look somewhere else.....maybe Gruden, Marty but we won't be getting Cowher down here.

GuerillaBlack
11-22-2010, 07:14 AM
I'll put my money on the line and bet that Cowher will be the Panthers coach in 2011. The Texans will have to look somewhere else.....maybe Gruden, Marty but we won't be getting Cowher down here.

What's your reasoning for him going to the Panthers, knowing he'd have to rebuild?

MEGA SWATT
12-30-2012, 09:29 PM
Bump

thunderkyss
12-30-2012, 09:38 PM
The way I remember it, Cowher was only interested in the Texans because we had a complete team. Including QB.

If you guys are right & Schaub will never win a Super Bowl, I don't think Cowher is interested anymore.

TEXANRED
12-30-2012, 09:42 PM
Bump

You know this thread already exists.

Playoffs
12-30-2012, 09:43 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77658

rolyat93
12-30-2012, 09:43 PM
Bump

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77658&page=4 :kitten:http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

IlliniJen
12-30-2012, 09:48 PM
http://prosportsblogging.com/psb/uploads/2010/11/bill-cowher.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbPYCateFxeoFsuA4UpFotbvuGsIRNy 39ydvXRTZwYvHNxi10AZw

I've been on team Grumpy Cat for years now. Throw some millions at the man, McNair.

Pantherstang84
12-30-2012, 09:53 PM
http://prosportsblogging.com/psb/uploads/2010/11/bill-cowher.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbPYCateFxeoFsuA4UpFotbvuGsIRNy 39ydvXRTZwYvHNxi10AZw

I've been on team Grumpy Cat for years now. Throw some millions at the man, McNair.

Pass that pipe. Won't happen.

IlliniJen
12-30-2012, 09:55 PM
Pass that pipe. Won't happen.

I know, I know. McNair won't get rid of Kubiak for years. Kubiak won't get rid of Schaub for years.

We're looking at 4+ years of kinda good, but never good enough.

Pantherstang84
12-30-2012, 10:06 PM
I know, I know. McNair won't get rid of Kubiak for years. Kubiak won't get rid of Schaub for years.

We're looking at 4+ years of kinda good, but never good enough.

Still pass the pipe. I need a toke.

IlliniJen
12-30-2012, 10:21 PM
Still pass the pipe. I need a toke.

Here you go...I got the pipe from Chargers fan. They've played out what our team will be in the coming years already.

Big Lou
12-31-2012, 12:27 AM
If we signed Cowher would everyone be willing to be patient while we retooled the offensive line?

Just asking knowing this would never happen.

midway
12-31-2012, 12:30 AM
If we signed Cowher would everyone be willing to be patient while we retooled the offensive line?

Just asking knowing this would never happen.

Probably, because we would have a guy who had been there and done that when it came to winning a Super Bowl, so the trust level is just higher. Kubiak was a bad QB and has been a bad coach, the trust level is pretty damn low, unless your last name is McNair.

It's also possible that he wouldn't have given Arian the contract and would have kept the line together.

MistaRed
12-31-2012, 12:39 AM
Hmmm......

thunderkyss
12-31-2012, 01:08 AM
If we signed Cowher would everyone be willing to be patient while we retooled the offensive line?

Just asking knowing this would never happen.

If the problem is the talent on this team, I don't think Cowher is the answer, unless he's going to be our new GM.

If we fire Kubiak after a 12-4 record, we're saying it is a coaching problem & he should win right away. If our guys don't fit the new guys "system" then we did a bad job of finding a coach for this team.

Txn_in_FL
12-31-2012, 04:21 AM
I thought this ship sunk already?

By all means, I'm all about the chin... it's just, he's been out of the league awhile. I don't know if he's got it in him anymore.

Ugh... and for God's sake, don't say make Wade the head coach.

mussop
12-31-2012, 07:09 AM
If the problem is the talent on this team, I don't think Cowher is the answer, unless he's going to be our new GM.

If we fire Kubiak after a 12-4 record, we're saying it is a coaching problem & he should win right away. If our guys don't fit the new guys "system" then we did a bad job of finding a coach for this team.

Talent? It's not the talent. Well not completely. It's a combo poor QB play and poor game planning. Both of which Cower would rectify.

I have no doubt Cowher would make a change at QB at the first chance he had. Kubiak has never been a good game planner or game manager or good at in game adjustments. His game planning never takes into account what the other team is good at. It's straight forward, this is what we are good at so this is what we are going to do, you try and stop us.

That works fine against inferior and less talented teams although you can see it sometimes barely works against them when they are well prepared. When that happens or we are playing good teams he is incapable of making adjustments.

Hell look back at he NE game. Why in the hell would you keep running right at Wilfork when he is consistently blowing up the OL in front of him? :kubepalm: You see it over and over with Kubiak. Something aint workin? Keep trying it till its to late! I really wanted to be wrong about him but the more I watch this offense fall apart the more apparent it is that I was right about him all along

mussop
12-31-2012, 07:10 AM
i thought this ship sunk already?

By all means, i'm all about the chin... It's just, he's been out of the league awhile. I don't know if he's got it in him anymore.

Ugh... and for god's sake, don't say make wade the head coach.

this x 10000000

robroy72
12-31-2012, 09:19 AM
Anyone remember the march to the stadium at the end of the 6-10 season with the coffin that said something like "Texans playoff hopes" and the guys calling for Cowher?

Surreal McCoy
12-31-2012, 09:25 AM
Cowher and Gruden have not been called by anyone for a reason. And a damn good one at that.

amazing80
12-31-2012, 09:29 AM
Cowher and Gruden have not been called by anyone for a reason. And a damn good one at that.

because they pubically say the dont want to coach...

Doppelganger
12-31-2012, 10:11 AM
I have been sporting this for years...I used to get regular grief for it. Not so much anymore...:thinking:

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:31 AM
If the problem is the talent on this team, I don't think Cowher is the answer, unless he's going to be our new GM.

If we fire Kubiak after a 12-4 record, we're saying it is a coaching problem & he should win right away. If our guys don't fit the new guys "system" then we did a bad job of finding a coach for this team.

There's a big difference between an "empty cubbard" and what we have here. This team has talent. They have plenty of talent. There are position issues around the roster that need to be addressed and they need a leader at QB badly but nobody is going to have to come in here and tear the thing down again. That's something the faint of heart want to convince everyone will be needed because they're scared of change.

I think Rick Smith is a good GM and I see teams torn down and rebuilt in short order all over the league every year. The Colts drafted a QB, ripped their team apart, kept the best pieces, and they're 11 game winners this year and headed to the playoffs after a 2-14 season. It took Gary 6 goddamn years to manage that. Sean Payton took a 3-13 Saints team to the playoffs the next year with a 10-6 record. Harbaugh turned the 49ers around, The right coach can turn your team around if there's something to work with.

It is a coaching problem, combined with a talent/leadership issue at QB and a talent issue on the OL in places. That's hardly insurmountable for a real NFL HC. For Gary that's another 4 years if we get a few breaks and everyone dedicates themselves to acting like a pro.

Hervoyel
12-31-2012, 10:33 AM
because they pubically say the dont want to coach...


According to NFL.com Gruden is saying he'll interview this year for open jobs. Cowher won't be far behind him. Too many great opportunities out there. Houston is not one of them though. Gary's gonna be coaching the Texans to late season chokes for years to come.

Thorn
12-31-2012, 12:27 PM
According to NFL.com Gruden is saying he'll interview this year for open jobs. Cowher won't be far behind him. Too many great opportunities out there. Houston is not one of them though. Gary's gonna be coaching the Texans to late season chokes for years to come.

You're right, and I hate you for it.

Well, I actually don't hate you, I just hate having to agree with you on this. I've been postponing renewing my membership in the Fire Kubiak club, but it appears it isn't far off.

amazing80
12-31-2012, 12:39 PM
According to NFL.com Gruden is saying he'll interview this year for open jobs. Cowher won't be far behind him. Too many great opportunities out there. Houston is not one of them though. Gary's gonna be coaching the Texans to late season chokes for years to come.

I agree they will take a job, I was replying to surreal mccoy suggesting they weren't getting calls because they were no good

Porky
12-31-2012, 12:59 PM
I'm ready for my pink soap. :spin:

Mr teX
12-31-2012, 01:18 PM
I'm honestly just not convinced that Cowher wants to come back. These days It seems that once these guys have been away for a while and get those cushy studio jobs that pay well, they've tended to not want to come back; i think these guys really do forgot how good life could be away from the constant stress that is a head coach in the NFL...........Aside from Gruden that is anyway.

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Thorn
12-31-2012, 01:29 PM
I'm honestly just not convinced that Cowher wants to come back. These days It seems that once these guys have been away for a while and get those cushy studio jobs that pay well, they've tended to not want to come back; i think these guys really do forgot how good life could be away from the constant stress that is a head coach in the NFL...........Aside from Gruden that is anyway.

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We could be very well stuck with "only better than average" Kubiak for years and years. And in some years, he could luck out with other teams just not being up to par and getting us something. I could think of worse things that could happen.

And I can also think of better things. There are very few elite head coaches to go around, and we certainly don't have one of them right now.