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cptnbreakdance
04-01-2005, 01:22 AM
Its at the Houston Chronicle site under sports, it says he's a longshot in the draft, but we are giving him a tour of Reliant Stadium, The Bubble, and all of the other Texans stuff, though I'd let ya'll know :hmmm:

D-ReK
04-01-2005, 01:44 AM
Its at the Houston Chronicle site under sports, it says he's a longshot in the draft, but we are giving him a tour of Reliant Stadium, The Bubble, and all of the other Texans stuff, though I'd let ya'll know :hmmm:

Here's the LINK (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3112407) to that...

The Texans will have several options with the 13th overall selection in next month's draft, but it seems unlikely University of Texas linebacker Derrick Johnson will be one of them.

Nevertheless, the team isn't leaving anything to chance and will entertain Johnson this weekend. Johnson, the highest-rated defensive player in the draft, is projected as a top-five pick in most mock drafts, and the Texans likely would have to trade up to get him.

Cleveland has the No. 3 pick and would seem the most likely destination for Johnson, considering the Browns are switching to a 3-4 defense under new coach Romeo Crennel.

Johnson will visit with several teams, and his trip to Reliant Park could be no more than due diligence on the part of the Texans, although the recent release of Jay Foreman and the status of Jamie Sharper adds intrigue to Johnson's visit.

Vinny
04-01-2005, 01:46 AM
Casserly was on the radio stating we likley trade the 13th pick so this makes this report today a bit more interesting.

D-ReK
04-01-2005, 01:53 AM
Casserly was on the radio stating we likley trade the 13th pick so this makes this report today a bit more interesting.

When did he say that? I'd be all for getting DJ here if we didn't have to trade too much to move up...

This also may reinforce some of the members' desire to trade down...Very interesting development :hmmm: ...

Rosusu
04-01-2005, 01:55 AM
That is really intriguing (what charley said) I didnt think he would talk about that openly, but I guess that makes offers easier to get. If we get DJ I will be estatic, he is the best prospect in this draft and he is going to be a playmaker for years and years.

Dionysus22
04-01-2005, 02:28 AM
Quit Teasing!!!! I'm already setting myself up for heart break when his name is called and he doesn't put on a Texans draft day hat...speaking of...I wonder what they'll look like this year?(draft hats) The NFL always comes up with a pretty sweet design.

beerlover
04-01-2005, 02:51 AM
this would reinforce my feelings of uncertainty of whom to select at the 13th spot :confused:

I would be in favor of trading up to the 8th spot (Arizona) for our top 3rd round pick aquired from Dallas for Drew Henson. this would not be high enough for DJ but possibly Cedric Benson. in this scenero Arizona should be able to still draft their QB/CB & the Texans finally get their franchise back.

to move to the 7th spot (Minnesota) would require both WR's (Braylon & Williams) to be gone and would cost the Texans their 1st & 2nd picks. I mean the Vikings might do it but probably not if DJ is there for the taking.

ah yes we've come to the Titans, last years big trading partner could we dance once again :shocked you already know how they are, this would cost the Texans 1st, 2nd & both 3rd's just to move up. once again they hold the key positon in the DJ sweepstakes plucking the player targeted just before the clutches of the team who desires him. I do not see any of the top 5 teams taking Derrick Johnson, he is a #6 or #7 guy in this draft-thats my opinion.

personally I like the trade to Arizona and Cedric Benson, thankyou very much :)

dalemurphy
04-01-2005, 03:28 AM
Casserly was on the radio stating we likley trade the 13th pick so this makes this report today a bit more interesting.


April 1st... get it. IF Casserly had said that onl the radio Vinny would've reported it before now. The newspaper story could be part of the april fools' joke as well.

nunusguy
04-01-2005, 07:09 AM
April 1st... get it. IF Casserly had said that onl the radio Vinny would've reported it before now. The newspaper story could be part of the april fools' joke as well.
Good point Murf, Vinnie is always goin on the rag and bustin balls when somebody posts a provocative remark without documentation. I notice
he didn't even mention if Cass said he'd trade up or down, but one would assume a move up if it involved DJ. Ah what the heck, its more entertaining if its just left open ended. But yea, Happy April Fools Day !

infantrycak
04-01-2005, 07:42 AM
Good point Murf, Vinnie is always goin on the rag and bustin balls when somebody posts a provocative remark without documentation. I notice
he didn't even mention if Cass said he'd trade up or down, but one would assume a move up if it involved DJ. Ah what the heck, its more entertaining if its just left open ended. But yea, Happy April Fools Day !

Casserly made the comments on the radio yesterday. He said something to the effect that the top 10 in this year's draft is up in the air and it is unlikely the Texans would pick at #13 this year as they will either move up or down on draft day depending on how things work out.

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
04-01-2005, 07:54 AM
There's an article on this on Houstonprofootball.com

This isn't an April Fool's joke, right?

According to a report in Friday's Houston Chronicle, the Texans will be hosting draft prospect Derrick Johnson at Reliant Park this weekend. The University of Texas All-American, who received the Bronko Nagurski Trophy in December as the best defensive player in college football last season, is a top-rated prospect at linebacker.

GIven his lofty draft staus, Johnson likely won't be available when the Texans pick at #13 in the first round. General manager Charley Casserly told ESPN790-AM though that he does not expect the Texans to remain at #13, hinting at a possible trade scenario on the day of the draft.

Johnson will visit other teams before the draft later this month, but he had made his interest known regarding his desire to play for a team near his home. On a February airing of the local program Sports Off Center on KTBU-TV, the Waco native said, "I am a Texas kid, and hopefully I can stay in Texas."

Johnson Staying Close to Home? (http://houstonprofootball.com/)

nunusguy
04-01-2005, 07:56 AM
DJ is on 610 right now @ 7:34am.
Thanks for the heads up ThirdEye, I tuned into 610 just in time to hear
him say he wouldn't play in the NFL in 2005 if he wasn't drafted by the Texans.

michaelm
04-01-2005, 08:42 AM
Regardless of the status of this thread as a possible April fool's joke, I believe that the only way that the Texans can get DJ is to trade up to #2 or #1. I don't believe all of the mocks that have the Browns passing him by at #3.
I have speculated previously about the potential for SF to be willing to trade down.. they may posssibly be willing to, considering that they could trade down somewhat and still have a very good chance of landing either Rogers or Smith.
Our # 13 pick may be too low for them, however. I still think that they may be willing to trade out of the top spot for cheaper than you might think...
Also, Miami has no second round pick, and after the #2 spot doesn't pick again until 3rd round #70. Saben may want to add additional picks by moving down in the first.
Having mentioned the possiblity of trading up with SF on a previous thread, I was suprised that I wasn't lambasted(<--- love that word...) for it... I know that this scenario is too expensive for most of you, and for the most part it is for me as well. I only mention it as being more realistic that it first appears.

michaelm
04-01-2005, 08:48 AM
Adding to my previous post...
Many will say that there is no way that miami moves down and passes on the opportunity to get the franchise RB that they so desperately need. I counter, however, by recalling last year when absolutely no on expected the cowgirls to trade down and pass on the chance to get Steven Jackson. It pains me to say so, but the move was an excellent one, netting them a very good back in Julius Jones... maybe the best from last years draft when every thing is said and done...

keyfro
04-01-2005, 08:51 AM
well what we're talking about is going after the player i think we all want in a texans uni the most...derrick johnson!!!!this guy is one of the few can't miss type players in this draft...his teammate cedric benson being another and mike williams is the only other one in my mind...everyone else can still turn out to be a bust...and yes that means ronnie brown and cadillac williams are potential busts...i don't see them being dissapointments but it is a possibility...with all that this is about getting your top player...casserly will make the decision on draft day whether or not we are going to trade up to get him or if the asking price is too high we'll probably trade down and grab david pollack...that's the impression i got from casserly's comments

Vinny
04-01-2005, 08:52 AM
Good point Murf, Vinnie is always goin on the rag and bustin balls when somebody posts a provocative remark without documentation. Thats Vinny with a Y. It's impossible to provide a link for word of mouth, nunusguy. I only enforce the protected materials that could garner a lawsuit. Try not to be so offended about that. I either do it or they find someone that will. I'm just honest enough not to hide behind some pseudoname as the site Administrator.

nunusguy
04-01-2005, 09:11 AM
Try not to be so offended about that.
I'm not the least bit offended, just havin a little fun with you there Vinny.

nunusguy
04-01-2005, 09:15 AM
well what we're talking about is going after the player i think we all want in a texans uni the most...derrick johnson!!!!
It would be great to have DJ as a Texan, but realistically what's your calculation on what it would cost us ? I mean, best case(for us) scenario he's
still on the Board at #5 - wouldn't the cost to us for that pick be prohibitive ?

infantrycak
04-01-2005, 09:16 AM
Adding to my previous post...
Many will say that there is no way that miami moves down and passes on the opportunity to get the franchise RB that they so desperately need.

Saban is being reported all over the internet as wanting to move out of the #2 spot but the flip-side is pundits are also all over reporting no one wants to move up that high because the signing bonuses at the top are huge. One pundit was even suggesting if the Dolphins can't trade down they should just pull a Vikings and let the time run out on their pick and then wait for several other picks to be made to avoid paying the #2 picks freight. It is looking like a year where is someone is willing to choke on the huge signing bonus there may be an opportunity to throw the draft pick value chart out the window and trade up for a bargain price pick-wise.

wags
04-01-2005, 09:21 AM
Looking at the draft value chart, our first and second are equal value with the #6 pick.

Blake
04-01-2005, 09:23 AM
This thread just made my day. I assume the most probable trading parter is the #9 spot with Washington.

Sarg01
04-01-2005, 09:59 AM
There is no player in this draft class worth #13 + #47. If we trade up, it should be with a 3rd round pick or lower. The good news for us is that NFL GMs don't necessarily follow the Pick Value Chart that is so often bandied about on the Internet and this year the costs for trading up will be significantly reduced.

powda
04-01-2005, 10:53 AM
i believe any trading partner in a trade up scenerio will know our intention on wanting dj. the trade would likely involve #13, a 3 (or a flip flop for the early one with the trading team) ,and ofcourse jaime sharper.

jaime sharper will be dealt on the 1st day of the draft...i have very little doubt about that.

ideally this may be our last year with a real chance to trade up. we have the #13 pick wich puts us within reach...we have an extra 3 ,and we also have sharper who has tremendus value throughout the league if his contract numbers get more reasonable before the draft.------we wont have those luxuries next year. this is our last chance (hoepfully) for a player with superstar potential.

dont underestimate the texans' opinion of dj. you can very easily apply capers recent comments about greenwood to dj.

"If you look at him physically, he's the prototype split-side linebacker," coach Dom Capers said. "He's 238. He's smart. He's got a great work ethic.

"I talked with (former Miami coach) Dave Wannstedt, and he said on Wednesday nights, there were two guys at their facility after everyone had gone -- Zach Thomas and Marlon Greenwood.

"He's also got speed. One of the things we've been lacking is speed on defense. If you're going to have three 315-pounders up front, you better have speed at linebacker, or you're going to have a slow defense. If you're smart and you have a good work ethic and you're a good athlete, well, those are three good qualities to have."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/nfl/3103909

they've both played outside. they're both about the same size. they've both got great range and speed. they both have a great work ethic. dj fits this ofseasons trend toward a youth movement at a core postion and a postion of need. and to top it all off dj is a local product.

as for trade value charts...i think they can only be used as a rough guideline. the market still dictates values...and dj is clearly head and shoulders above the next best linebacker. ofcourse that increases his value ,but the other end of the equation is how many other teams are willing to trade up for dj?

beerlover
04-01-2005, 11:28 AM
this must be April Fools, its not palatable, to me, to be the Titians trading ***** :slap:

the draft pick value chart is merely a ficticious guideline that internet draft junkies use for entertainment use only, don't read too much into it :rolleyes:

TexanTom
04-01-2005, 11:43 AM
I was watching Playbook on NFL network this morning (they spent this week talking about the draft needs/prospects for NFC teams). Mike Mayock said that he felt the Panthers (at 14) could be in a position to draft Derrick Johnson.
Mayock doesn't seem to be on the "DJ is the best defensive player in this draft"-bandwagon, but I kinda perked up when I heard it. He didn't say that he definitely thought DJ would still be there, just that "they are in a great position to possibly draft" him. (this quote brought to you by the power of tivo :) )
Mayock isn't the most highly respected draft analyst out there - but I thought I'd pass the info on...

El Tejano
04-01-2005, 11:44 AM
One thing that we can also look at is how the Texans helped move their franchise along. Maybe this time because Cleveland is not starting from scratch but wants to do more they will be wise and build their team through the draft and acquire more picks and mix in a good amount of veterans like Sharper. Remember this coach found out that you can do more with less during his time with the Patriots.

Also let's not forget that Cleveland also does not have a legitimate QB (I know of). Holcombe left for the Bills, and Garcia is cut. They can still that QB in the draft when they pick 13.

WildBlackBear32
04-01-2005, 11:55 AM
Also let's not forget that Cleveland also does not have a legitimate QB (I know of). Holcombe left for the Bills, and Garcia is cut. They can still that QB in the draft when they pick 13.

They signed Dilfer...dont know how "legit" he is. The guy seems to "just win, baby" everywhere he goes though.

El Tejano
04-01-2005, 12:03 PM
I guess he will work for now but I am sure they would want to get a young guy to understudy. Dilfer is up there in age.

Blake
04-01-2005, 12:05 PM
Texans trade their #13 and jamie Sharper, to the Bengals, for their #17 and #48.

Texans Select

#17 Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina
#47 Odell Thurman, ILB, Georgia
#48 David Baas, OG, Michigan

And there you have it. ;)

TheOgre
04-01-2005, 12:22 PM
So lets speculate on that "TOP 10" that Casserly mentioned.
I think it is:
(in no particular order)
1. QB Alex Smith
2. QB Aaron Rodgers
3. HB Ronnie Brown
4. HB Cedric Benson
5. HB Cadillac Williams
6. WR Braylon Edwards
7. WR Mike Williams
8. LB DJ Johnson
9. CB Antrel Rolle
10. CB "Pac-man" Jones

If both of the QB's go off the boards early, that helps. However, if one does slide to us, it puts us in a prime spot to trade down if none of the other eight (3-10 above) are still on the board.

Nawzer
04-01-2005, 12:28 PM
KFFL.com has us taking D.J. with the 13th pick. They have Alex Barron, Marcus Spears, Troy Williamson and Mark Clayton going ahead of D.J.!!! This is one of the worst mocks I've seen so far but anything can happen on draft day... :wacko:

TJFord
04-01-2005, 12:31 PM
I thought about the whole april fools thing as well, but surely the Chronicle would not do such a thing if wanted to be considered a serious newspaper. I will say this, DJ's stock has slid to reality in the past few weeks. LBs just don't get drafted that high (like top 5) and most of the teams from 5-10 have definant needs to be addressed other than a LB. I have begun to think that really the only two teams that might draft DJ before the 13 were Dallas and SD. That being said, we still should try and move up offering what has been mentioned before (13, a 2nd or 3rd, and Sharper).

texasguy346
04-01-2005, 12:32 PM
I guess he will work for now but I am sure they would want to get a young guy to understudy. Dilfer is up there in age.

They can still get a pretty good young QB to study under Dilfer in the 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th. The way I see it there are two top tier QB prospects in Smith and Rodgers, and after that there are a bunch of guys with similiar levels of talent/potential. Green, Frye, Campbell, Orton, Orlovsky, and Fitzpatrick come to mind. I really like Fitzpatrick, and it would be cool to see a Harvard guy suceed in the NFL.

TJFord
04-01-2005, 12:34 PM
Also, Kiper was on ESPN radio with D. Patrick yesterday and his top ten looked like this:
SF-Rogers
Mia-Brown
Cle-Smith
Chi-Edwards
TB-C. Williams
Tenn-Barron
Minn-M. Williams
Ari-Benson
Wash-Rolle
Det-Spears

cptnbreakdance
04-01-2005, 01:14 PM
If we do have a draft day trade dont forget about Sharper, he brings value to the equation too.

So to move up we could trade w/ a team switching to a 3-4 and trade our 1st rounder, our #2 3rd rounder, and Sharper.

I'm not sure but that might be enough to garner a substancial move up.

THEFUTURE
04-01-2005, 01:53 PM
Derrick Johnson will be working out at Reliant Park this weekend, and even though he is expected to be chosen very high, Casserly has stated that we might not be staying at 13. I read this from houstonprofootball.com and i think a package that includes maybe Jamie Sharper and our #13 pick could move us up a good ways in the draft

TigerBait
04-01-2005, 02:04 PM
If we do have a draft day trade dont forget about Sharper, he brings value to the equation too.

So to move up we could trade w/ a team switching to a 3-4 and trade our 1st rounder, our #2 3rd rounder, and Sharper.

I'm not sure but that might be enough to garner a substancial move up.
Ya say like the Browns wanted DJ, we could trade the #13, a third and Sharper who is a decent player and has had experience and success in the 3-4 defense. I see it happening. #3 move up may be a little out our reach however, but just an example.

DRIFTAWAY
04-01-2005, 03:33 PM
he wouldn't play in the NFL in 2005 if he wasn't drafted by the Texans. funny...

I hope we do trade up to grab D.J., but if that doesnt happen we could also move down a few and still get Williamson and get extra picks.

TigerBait
04-01-2005, 04:23 PM
we just released sharper, so perhaps a trade up is not what CC is thinking.....

Vinny
04-01-2005, 04:24 PM
I'm now thinking we either trade up for DJ or we perhaps look at Thomas Davis and convert him to inside linebacker (possible move back a few spots perhaps). Pure speculation of course, but we now officially have a hole in our lineup.

tiger06
04-01-2005, 04:36 PM
Yeah, looks like ILB is what we're looking at with our 1st pick

texansfan88
04-01-2005, 04:53 PM
Something tells me that we're going to give up 3-5 picks to Miami this year to move up to #2...thats the only real thing i can see happening here.

Sarg01
04-01-2005, 05:04 PM
While I do find it interesting that Sharper's release comes shortly after DJ visits the Texans, I think #2 (absent a bonehead deal from Miami) is probably higher than we're looking.

The Browns at #3 are nowhere near a lock for DJ, who are said to have Braylon Edwards rated #1 overall and Alex Smith the highest QB, both of which are bigger need positions for them than LB. Remember, Phil Savage runs their draft, NOT Romeo Crennel. If the Browns don't take DJ, it's hard to see him going before #7 - and then only if Edwards and Williams are both gone. After that, he makes it to #9, #10 or #11. No way he gets to #13, though.

D-ReK
04-01-2005, 05:07 PM
John McClain is on the radio right now, and he seems pretty sold that the Texans won't trade up for DJ but may trade up for Benson...

Before you write this off as just being another clueless columnist, he has been one the few to accurately predict our first round picks for the past 3 years...

Sarg01
04-01-2005, 05:17 PM
Before you write this off as just being another clueless columnist, he has been one the few to accurately predict our first round picks for the past 3 years...

Never been a fan of McClain.

Before you judge the man on 3 top 10 picks ...

Our first 3 picks were no brainers - unless you're counting Babin and I'm pretty sure he didn't predict that. No one predicted that (though many of us had him in the 2nd). Carr was obvious almost from the start of the off-season, though there was a bit of Peppers talk, Carr was clearly the favorite. AJ was an obvious choice the moment Willis McGahee's knee got busted up in the bowl game. Dunta took a little longer, but was pretty clearly the choice at least two weeks before the draft.

Vinny
04-01-2005, 05:21 PM
Dunta was certainly not a 'no brainer'. Many people criticized that pick at the time. It looks great now, but we could have gone in several directions. If he was such a no-brainer, then Jacksonville would have snagged him with their CB problems.

texansfan88
04-01-2005, 05:27 PM
Just because Mr. McClain doesn't homerize himself to the Texans doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about. He's very objective and an incredible writer with many credentials. I'm glad to see him in the Chronicle paper and on the Houston airwaves.

The Preacher
04-01-2005, 06:03 PM
If we were interested in trading up for DJ why would they release Sharper before the draft? That would seem to give another team more bargaining power if they knew we had to have him.

UberDork
04-01-2005, 06:07 PM
If we grabbed DJ by whatever means, do y'all think Greenwood would take Foreman's old spot at the Buc and DJ take Sharper's Mac spot? Or do y'all see Wong definately taking the Buc spot and Greenwood and DJ battle it out for the Mac. I personally think Greenwood would have the Buc and DJ the Mac. In that case, I guess Wong and Peek would still be on the outside opposite Babin.

Vinny
04-01-2005, 06:16 PM
If we grabbed DJ by whatever means, do y'all think Greenwood would take Foreman's old spot at the Buc and DJ take Sharper's Mac spot? Or do y'all see Wong definately taking the Buc spot and Greenwood and DJ battle it out for the Mac. I personally think Greenwood would have the Buc and DJ the Mac. In that case, I guess Wong and Peek would still be on the outside opposite Babin.I don't know how it will pan out but the Buc is the strongside (TE side) linebacker spot and generally has coverage responsibilities, and the Mac is more the pure run and chase linebacker. I think Greenwood will end up as the Buc.

UberDork
04-01-2005, 06:25 PM
I don't know how it will pan out but the Buc is the strongside (TE side) linebacker spot and generally has coverage responsibilities, and the Mac is more the pure run and chase linebacker. I think Greenwood will end up as the Buc.

I agree, but DJ is pretty darned skilled at coverage. I think DJ would have the mac spot due to his big play potential.

nunusguy
04-01-2005, 06:37 PM
John McClain is on the radio right now, and he seems pretty sold that the Texans won't trade up for DJ but may trade up for Benson...
Before you write this off as just being another clueless columnist, he has been one the few to accurately predict our first round picks for the past 3 years...
Usually I pay pretty close attention to what McCain says, but I'm thinking he got his players confused tonight. Benson is lookin more & more like a fairly
average sort of college RB who is durable (something our DD isn't) but is of
limited abiltity who played against a less than steller schedule. DJ got the same easy opposition, but he is gifted and as a Texas native & UT great would be hugely popular here in Houston. Is he the next Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacker, I dunno but I'd rather bet the farm on him that Orlando Pace.

Fiddy
04-01-2005, 06:58 PM
Casserly was on the radio stating we likley trade the 13th pick so this makes this report today a bit more interesting.I knew we probably wouldnt stay at 13.

Sarg01
04-01-2005, 07:14 PM
Dunta was certainly not a 'no brainer'. Many people criticized that pick at the time. It looks great now, but we could have gone in several directions. If he was such a no-brainer, then Jacksonville would have snagged him with their CB problems.

It became a no-brainer when word leaked out that the Texans told Coleman that he might switch to safety. IIRC, KFFL reported it a couple of weeks before the draft. Don't remember the source they used off-hand, but it hardly matters now. I liked the two LBs, but the Texans showed no sign of interest. Shawn Andrews was out when Todd Wade came in FA. Harris and Wilfork were similarly culled by the Robaire signing. Things were a lot less confused once Mike Williams was out of the draft.

As for the Jags, they locked on WR and reached for Reggie Williams. Wasn't expecting that really, I was expecting them to reach for Udeze instead. If they had taken Dunta, I believe the Texans would have gone into trade-down mode for someone to take Roth.

Sarg01
04-01-2005, 07:16 PM
Usually I pay pretty close attention to what McCain says, but I'm thinking he got his players confused tonight.

McClain's always been very high on Benson.

keyfro
04-01-2005, 07:41 PM
i agree i think the release of sharper is the clue that if casserly can work the deal he wants we'll be seeing derrick johnson as a texan...we can joke about this is the team that johnson & johnson built.... :thumbup

outofhnd
04-02-2005, 03:23 AM
Yea the Sharper release is interesting it tells me he was a bad abrgaining chip and Casserly is goin to resort to other draft day tactics. If we get DJ that would be cool i like his creativity.

It tells me that Williamson is not the pick we are taking and we are going LB this year. When they create an open position they go that way. Last year they did the same thing with switching Robinson to safety.

threetoedpete
04-02-2005, 07:25 AM
While I do find it interesting that Sharper's release comes shortly after DJ visits the Texans, I think #2 (absent a bonehead deal from Miami) is probably higher than we're looking.

The Browns at #3 are nowhere near a lock for DJ, who are said to have Braylon Edwards rated #1 overall and Alex Smith the highest QB, both of which are bigger need positions for them than LB. Remember, Phil Savage runs their draft, NOT Romeo Crennel. If the Browns don't take DJ, it's hard to see him going before #7 - and then only if Edwards and Williams are both gone. After that, he makes it to #9, #10 or #11. No way he gets to #13, though.

Never know. Still say Tennesse takes the left tackle. Now I'm thinking maybe @ 13 ? All the Williamson guys freakin' out right now, just not enough targets for that much money. Just don't see it. I could part with one of the threes to get him. Makes sense. Titans are in cap hades. They will take less than a two for the move up. Fits Bud's pocket book.

Whether the deal works out or not CC and the Texan's have gotta be smilin' right now. I think 13 will be the cat's bird seat this year. We move down we can plug a lot of holes. We get DJ we finally have a playmaker in the Defensive front seven. If Peak and Babs comes around.... never know. All I know for sure is the only way to rattle Manning's cage is with pressure right up the middle. Gonna be fun.

utahmark
04-03-2005, 10:12 PM
im starting to think we might try to move up and get dj. sounds good to me. not sure what it would take but if we could move up and give someone one of our 3rd round picks that would be good stuff.

1st dj
2cd matt jones
3rd best o-lineman

i would be more than happy with that.

wags
04-03-2005, 10:20 PM
im starting to think we might try to move up and get dj. sounds good to me. not sure what it would take but if we could move up and give someone one of our 3rd round picks that would be good stuff.

I think that we would have to give up at least our first and second round pick to get DJ.

blockhead83
04-03-2005, 10:22 PM
If we got DJ, and Matt Jones.....woah. Either we got the deal of the century or we traded away next years draft.

ComstockLode
04-03-2005, 11:17 PM
All this talk is getting my hopes too high and will result in a letdown. Calm down people. More than likely we still stay put and take BPA.

keyfro
04-03-2005, 11:58 PM
nah i really don't think we'll stay at the 13th pick...casserly will either trade up for DJ if he can get the deal he wants or we'll trade down and pick up more picks just think if we trade down we could end up with this:
1st: david pollack OLB
2nd: matt jones WR
2nd: anttaj hawthorne NT
3rd: ben wilkerson C
3rd: robert mccune ILB
now that's a draft...if we trade up for DJ...personally i don't care if we trade away our entire first day draft picks for him...i think he'll be a pro bowler for years to come just like andre johnson :thumbup

royce1054
04-04-2005, 12:07 AM
You understand how many teams will have to pass on him for us to get him at 8 or 9. Cleveland is where i will think he will trade up. That would take our whoel draft to get that high. If some reason he does fall past that then we have to worry about the Titans. Thats still alot to give up to trade up 7 spots. our best bet is washington and go 1st and 3rd if we do that. I doubt he will be there at this pick this is not even sayin a team will trade up and get him. I seriously think we can trade down is much more idealistic. Maybe a team like Philly who can give us the #30 and #36 (i think). We can get Blackstock or Burnett at 30 and then get a Brown, white, or a Gibson at the 2nd pick we get. We would still have the 47th pick. We can get a good corner at the pick.

dalemurphy
04-04-2005, 01:25 AM
I think we'll be trading down... though, not many ILBs go in the top of the 1st round. I'd love to see us with a pick around #20, #47, another 2nd rounder, then our two thirds... I think we'd be able to add a quality CB or S, draft a couple of good interior linemen and take a shot at a RB or WR.

ComstockLode
04-04-2005, 01:47 PM
You understand how many teams will have to pass on him for us to get him at 8 or 9. Cleveland is where i will think he will trade up. That would take our whoel draft to get that high. If some reason he does fall past that then we have to worry about the Titans. Thats still alot to give up to trade up 7 spots. our best bet is washington and go 1st and 3rd if we do that. I doubt he will be there at this pick this is not even sayin a team will trade up and get him. I seriously think we can trade down is much more idealistic. Maybe a team like Philly who can give us the #30 and #36 (i think). We can get Blackstock or Burnett at 30 and then get a Brown, white, or a Gibson at the 2nd pick we get. We would still have the 47th pick. We can get a good corner at the pick.

If Cleveland passes on him, the next option is either the titans and then the cowboys who would pick him.

keyfro
04-04-2005, 02:05 PM
i'm really doubting that cleveland drafts him...romeo crennel might be the head coach but he's not the gm...i forget the name of their new GM but he knows that trent dilfer is no long term answer...the other qb's there are a 7th rounder in mccown and a udfa josh harris...both were rookies last year and both need a lot of time before they develop into a solid back up let alone starter...with alex smith there they will draft a QB...the titans will pass on DJ because right now linebacker might be one of the few positions they are ok with...they need serious help at o-line, corner, d-line, reciever, and runningback now that they don't have a reliable back up to chris brown...depending on who is available when they pick they either take the top rated corner, reciever, or OT...my guess is no matter how much they want mike williams he won't be there...personally i think this is too high for barron but when you have a need such as OT you have to pick him when you can...in my mind dj is picked somewhere between arizona and us...and i garentee he won't fall to us...we can trade up to washington right after arizona passes on him and it won't cost us that much...our 1st, 2nd, and one 3rd i think...maybe a day two pick to ensure the deal goes through...giving us DJ and a 3rd rounder left

Sarg01
04-04-2005, 02:15 PM
Cleveland's GM is Phil Savage, and he's actually something of a draft specialist. I agree with your point - I think DJ is only the third most likely player for Cleveland to take. I believe they pick Alex Smith or Braylon Edwards long before they look at DJ, especially at #3 and the salary range associated with it.

I also agree with your remarks on the Titans. While DJ might well be BPA at #6, the Titans have gaping holes at LT, WR and CB - and they'll be able to get their choice of Barron, Rolle or Jones for sure. They even have an outside shot at one of the Big Two wideouts.

I think #9 is a very safe spot. Even if DJ isn't there, Merriman will be.

texasguy346
04-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Phil Savage is the Browns GM, and from everything I've heard both he and Crennel have pretty much been in agreement with all the moves they've made thus far in the offseason. I really don't see that mutual agreement changing come draft day, and any picks the Browns make will likely be a joint effort of the two. Savage may have the last word, but I'm sure Romeo will get to toss in his two cents as well. Savage is a good evaluator of talent, and there is definately a drop off of talent from the top 2 QBs and the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. QBs. How much of a drop off is the more important question. I think you could pick up a good young QB that you could develop in the 2nd or 3rd Round. Guys like Charlie Frye, Jason Campbell, or perhaps Fitzpatrick come to mind. All of whom have garnered some interest from several NFL teams. That being said I wouldn't put it past the Browns to select DJ with their pick. He's a phenomenal talent, and he'd be a great addition to their defense. Since none of us are in the Browns draft room, and none of us have access to their draft board we can't really say for certain that the Browns will or will not take DJ or Smith. In another 20 days or so we'll have the "What will the Browns do?" question resolved, and I, for one, am already anxious to see how the draft plays out. *Starts counting down to Draft Day*

Vinny
04-04-2005, 02:29 PM
New GM Phil Savage wouldn't mind drafting a quarterback at No. 3 overall, but neither Aaron Rodgers nor Alex Smith is good enough to warrant a deviation from Crennel's defense-first plan.

Barring a change of heart, the Browns will select Texas outside linebacker Derrick Johnson at No. 3. Throughout Crennel's career, his great defenses were anchored by a dominating, versatile defender like Lawrence Taylor with the Giants and Willie McGinest with the Patriots. Johnson is Crennel's guy, and Cleveland will build a defense around him. http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:BvBtbJVXU80J:msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/%203505318++Crennel+has+Pats+answers+for+Browns%27 +ne%3Cbr%20/%3Eeds&hl=en

also there (so take it with a grain)...

There are rumblings that Arizona is trying to entice Houston to trade up the Cardinals' No. 8 spot to ensure that the Texans get their man, Florida State offensive tackle Alex Barron. Arizona wouldn't mind Houston's No. 13 pick (and the later-round bonus picks that would accompany any first-round swap) because Washington, Detroit, Dallas and San Diego, with picks 9-12, have no interest in a running back. Thus, Arizona could add a third- or fourth-round pick and still get its man, Cedric Benson. thanks to rjf for the find.

TheOgre
04-04-2005, 03:06 PM
Pure speculation of course, but we now officially have a hole in our lineup.

You don't think they might plan on putting Wong in Sharper's old spot and move Peek to ROLB? I'm not saying that is a permanent solution, but it is at least a stopgap.

Or do you think Wong will likely remain our ROLB, and we will likely be forced to draft an ILB? I'm thinking they have a plan and that is why they haven't announced where Wong will play next year.

281
04-04-2005, 03:08 PM
Please god no.... If we trade up for Alex Barron... I'm going to turn off the TV, get liquor, and drink myself to sleep. I thought just picking him at #13 would be bad enough. :thumbdown

beerlover
04-04-2005, 03:17 PM
Please god no.... If we trade up for Alex Barron... I'm going to turn off the TV, get liquor, and drink myself to sleep. I thought just picking him at #13 would be bad enough. :thumbdown

:heh: :heh: :heh:

Vinny
04-04-2005, 07:35 PM
You don't think they might plan on putting Wong in Sharper's old spot and move Peek to ROLB? I'm not saying that is a permanent solution, but it is at least a stopgap.

Or do you think Wong will likely remain our ROLB, and we will likely be forced to draft an ILB? I'm thinking they have a plan and that is why they haven't announced where Wong will play next year.I think our next mac linebacker comes from this draft. If not, Wong will be the guy unless Cheatwood shows something. The team is going to look at him in multiple positions, but he is not the kind of guy you can pencil in anywhere right now.

This season puts Peek in his third year at the ROLB. Conventinal thinking is that it takes two seasons before you have a fully transformed DE. This year will determine if he is just a situational pass rusher or a full time 3-4 ROLB.