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gafftop
11-11-2010, 09:53 PM
Watching Falcons vs Ravens.
1. Our Dline is a JOKE. Really makes a secondary look worse than it may be.
Didn't our coaching/Fo realize this. Could have made a move in free agency.DID NOTHING Peppers...
2. Secondary, won't even go there. DID NOTHING
3.Receivers have 1 great one and below average on rest. Teams able to handle AJ because NOBODY else. Daniels coming off injury. Could have made BIG move and picked up someone. DID NOTHING Bouldin...
4. Does McNair put the cuffs on or did our Coaching/FO really think we were good in all areas. Whatever the Texans as an organization can't evaluate talent as seen in our drafts, can't see what they have both negative and positive (I am not sure they know Foster is good.
5. Coaching does not know how to get the most out of what they have. In other words they get OUTCOACHED badly in all areas.

COULD IT BE THE COACHES/FO DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THE TEAM THEY PUT TOGETHER IS NOT GOOD? SO THEY BLOW SMOKE OR WORSE YET REALLY BELIEVE THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.

McNair is a good guy but he is hands off and trusts who he has hired which is great if you hired the right people. Therefore takes something drastic to happen before a change is made. Getting more depressed thinking about it.

gafftop
11-11-2010, 09:57 PM
Let's put a heart monitor on mario.
The Atlanta Falcons put heart monitors on some of the players in practice and the game. They can monitor the players heart rate.

gafftop
11-11-2010, 10:00 PM
Comment just made
"When the game is on the line you want your best players in the game even if they may be a little tired." Hope Kubiak is listening.

spurstexanstros
11-11-2010, 10:40 PM
sigh...does this thread care its about the 100th neg thread on this site and its getting freaking old. fairweather fans and alot of captain hindsighting going on round here.

Norg
11-11-2010, 10:50 PM
yeah they care

but

The Giants ,Cowboys,Chargers,colts

care about winning 2 so when u got two teams that care that go head to head shit is going to happen sometimes

Judge Pinot
11-11-2010, 11:07 PM
I will go as far to say that this organization does want to win, just like all 31 other teams do. I just am amazed at how mentally dense/fickle/ridiculous fans seem to get if their team doesn't win every game. Let's face it, the talent on the defensive side of the ball is GARBAGE. And truthfully, I'd be surprised if we finish any better than 8-8 with the weak sauce defenders on this team. All I can do is continue supporting my team. Trust me change is coming, and no doubt heads will roll. Including King Softie Kubiak's. As for even contemplating that the organization is purposefully laying down, or not trying to field a quality team is bull****, and anyone who thinks so is downright idiotic.

mattieuk
11-12-2010, 12:25 AM
Watching Falcons vs Ravens.
1. Our Dline is a JOKE. Really makes a secondary look worse than it may be.
Didn't our coaching/Fo realize this. Could have made a move in free agency.DID NOTHING Peppers...
2. Secondary, won't even go there. DID NOTHING

Jeez man, we've only got so many first round picks to go through for our D.

We've consistently realised that our D is a problem all over, heavily invested in draft picks, and it seems like it just isn't working, but to say that they've done nothing isn't true...the only issue is what they have done isn't all that hot (not that I support splashing the coin on Peppers, who has picked up 2 sacks so far this year). If we'd been spending $91 million on free agents, and got very little in return, then I'd be going into overdrive. At least we haven't crippled the team financially got got nowhere.

houstonspartan
11-12-2010, 01:12 AM
I will go as far to say that this organization does want to win, just like all 31 other teams do. I just am amazed at how mentally dense/fickle/ridiculous fans seem to get if their team doesn't win every game. Let's face it, the talent on the defensive side of the ball is GARBAGE. And truthfully, I'd be surprised if we finish any better than 8-8 with the weak sauce defenders on this team. All I can do is continue supporting my team. Trust me change is coming, and no doubt heads will roll. Including King Softie Kubiak's. As for even contemplating that the organization is purposefully laying down, or not trying to field a quality team is bull****, and anyone who thinks so is downright idiotic.

Hold it.

1) No one is expecting any team to win every single game. Most of us know that going undefeated is an extremely rare feat.

2) You are criticizing fans for wanting better coaching while at the same time a) Saying that 8-8 is not good enough and b) slamming Kubiak; Which is it? Pick a side.

3) No one really thinks that this team is purposely laying down; Nor do most of us think that the team does not care about winning. HOWEVER, it is more than fair to question whether or not this team is willing to put all of their chips on the table in order to win. The overall concern is whether or not this team is playing it to safe in ALL of their decision making.

Judge Pinot
11-12-2010, 03:12 AM
Hold it.

1) No one is expecting any team to win every single game. Most of us know that going undefeated is an extremely rare feat.

2) You are criticizing fans for wanting better coaching while at the same time a) Saying that 8-8 is not good enough and b) slamming Kubiak; Which is it? Pick a side.

3) No one really thinks that this team is purposely laying down; Nor do most of us think that the team does not care about winning. HOWEVER, it is more than fair to question whether or not this team is willing to put all of their chips on the table in order to win. The overall concern is whether or not this team is playing it to safe in ALL of their decision making.

I'm just sick of all the blame being thrown at the coaching staff, front office and ownership. This defense is the unit that I despise the most. I'm sorry but the Texans are going nowhere fast with the 11 man roster we have out there. It's not even scheme anymore with these guys, it comes down to lack of talent. Kubiak will lose his job a la Wade Phillips because his team just doesn't perform, and the sad thing is that this OFFENSE is by far the most fundamentally sound unit we've had in our forgettable history. Please don't feel insulted by the fact that fans always seem to point the finger at the HC etc., when the players are the ones who have robbed this team of a post season chance.

gafftop
11-12-2010, 07:16 AM
Just got depressed watching 2 real teams play ball. Falcons vs Ravens. I know all has been posted before but had to let off some steam.

Not to say the Texans can't beat the Ravens( they did look beatable) but based on recent past performance by both players and COACHING I doubt it.

I agree we play the players that we have, no quick fix there. We have what we have for this season.

The coaching though could get better immediately. All teams are very close and a couple of plays can make the difference between winning and losing. I think we do have the talent to win if the coaching staff makes good decisions. We do not have the players that can win no matter how the coaches coach. i do not think any of the teams are that dominant.

I am not advocating a change right now i just hope they start making better decisions.


1. 1st 4th down situation
2. 2nd 4th down hurry up, so bad in many ways.
3. Taking out Foster in the red zone.
Just to name a few. Not running more in 2nd Indy game.

All this losing would not be so frustrating if you thought there was no way the Texans could win. But everyone can see that they could have won 2-3 games more just by possibly making better coaching decisions. I know I am still rehashing old points.

You can't control what happens on the field during the actual play. BUT YOU CAN CONTROL THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BEFORE THE BALL IS HIKED. THE COACHES HAVE FULL CONTROL IN THAT AREA. GOOD DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONTROL.

thanks

houstonspartan
11-12-2010, 09:59 AM
Just got depressed watching 2 real teams play ball. Falcons vs Ravens. I know all has been posted before but had to let off some steam.

Not to say the Texans can't beat the Ravens( they did look beatable) but based on recent past performance by both players and COACHING I doubt it.

I agree we play the players that we have, no quick fix there. We have what we have for this season.

The coaching though could get better immediately. All teams are very close and a couple of plays can make the difference between winning and losing. I think we do have the talent to win if the coaching staff makes good decisions. We do not have the players that can win no matter how the coaches coach. i do not think any of the teams are that dominant.

I am not advocating a change right now i just hope they start making better decisions.


1. 1st 4th down situation
2. 2nd 4th down hurry up, so bad in many ways.
3. Taking out Foster in the red zone.
Just to name a few. Not running more in 2nd Indy game.

All this losing would not be so frustrating if you thought there was no way the Texans could win. But everyone can see that they could have won 2-3 games more just by possibly making better coaching decisions. I know I am still rehashing old points.

You can't control what happens on the field during the actual play. BUT YOU CAN CONTROL THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE BEFORE THE BALL IS HIKED. THE COACHES HAVE FULL CONTROL IN THAT AREA. GOOD DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE WHEN YOU HAVE THE CONTROL.

thanks

Know what was even more depressing? When they flashed a picture of the Atlanta Falcon coach on the screen, then below it it said "Coach since 2008."

So, Atlanta got a new coach in 2008, and yet people were speculating that last night was a possible Super Bowl preview.

THAT is depressing.

Double Barrel
11-12-2010, 10:07 AM
sigh...does this thread care its about the 100th neg thread on this site and its getting freaking old. fairweather fans and alot of captain hindsighting going on round here.

Fairweather fans stopped watching a long time ago. Urban Dictionary defines the term as "a fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. During hard times they usually bandwagon other teams."

If someone is posting about the Texans on this board, even with a 'negative' perspective, they are not a fairweather fan. Matter-of-fact, I do not see any of the fans on these forums to be fairweather, frontrunner, or bandwagon fans. They still support the team, but they are unhappy and dissatisfied with the mediocre results. Just like you can love your country but not like the president, you can love your team but not like the head coach.

As far as Captain Hindsight, that is the nature of fans. Sportswriters make their living as Captain Hindsight, fans express their passion for the sport in the same way. This forum and sports talk radio would not exist without it.

Norg
11-12-2010, 10:40 AM
How did Dunta do did he play ????

El Tejano
11-12-2010, 10:52 AM
How did Dunta do did he play ????

Yep. By the looks of it, Atlanta had about 3 or 4 coverage sacks. All the plays that were made for Ravens in the air were opposite Dunta.

gafftop
11-12-2010, 11:18 AM
Fairweather fans stopped watching a long time ago. Urban Dictionary defines the term as "a fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. During hard times they usually bandwagon other teams."

If someone is posting about the Texans on this board, even with a 'negative' perspective, they are not a fairweather fan. Matter-of-fact, I do not see any of the fans on these forums to be fairweather, frontrunner, or bandwagon fans. They still support the team, but they are unhappy and dissatisfied with the mediocre results. Just like you can love your country but not like the president, you can love your team but not like the head coach.

As far as Captain Hindsight, that is the nature of fans. Sportswriters make their living as Captain Hindsight, fans express their passion for the sport in the same way. This forum and sports talk radio would not exist without it.


I agree totally. If I was a fairweather fan I sure wouldn't spend any time writing. Captain Hindsight I am not always because I am screaming at the set saying what the hell are you doing before / while it is happening. Also if I was SURE the season was over I would probably quit spending time writing until the draft comes along. You may not have to put up with me much longer this season.

The only thing the Texans can CONTROL at this time are the DECISIONS MADE before and during the game. I guess that is why I am so hard on Kubiak and the coaches. Also as a whole I think all the players are trying their hardest and playing to their ability except maybe one. thanks

The Falcons Dline brings it. They are fast and really get after the QB. If we had 75-80% of what they have we would not look so bad on defense. Hard to guage Dunta's play because he was playing with a good defense. I know we can do nothing substantial at this time of season except scheme and motivate and pray our DB's improve. AGAIN THE ONLY THING WE HAVE CONTROL OF IS OUR DECISIONS.

BigBull17
11-12-2010, 11:38 AM
I'm just sick of all the blame being thrown at the coaching staff, front office and ownership. This defense is the unit that I despise the most. I'm sorry but the Texans are going nowhere fast with the 11 man roster we have out there. It's not even scheme anymore with these guys, it comes down to lack of talent. Kubiak will lose his job a la Wade Phillips because his team just doesn't perform, and the sad thing is that this OFFENSE is by far the most fundamentally sound unit we've had in our forgettable history. Please don't feel insulted by the fact that fans always seem to point the finger at the HC etc., when the players are the ones who have robbed this team of a post season chance.

You can't tell me our defensive coaches are trying to do things scheme wise to help our lack of talent. Only crazy good teams can run an extremely vanilla front like we win and expect victory. Our guys have flash in the pan type seasons their first year and then slowly get worse. That has to mean they lack quality coaching.

Double Barrel
11-12-2010, 11:40 AM
I'm just sick of all the blame being thrown at the coaching staff, front office and ownership. This defense is the unit that I despise the most. I'm sorry but the Texans are going nowhere fast with the 11 man roster we have out there. It's not even scheme anymore with these guys, it comes down to lack of talent. Kubiak will lose his job a la Wade Phillips because his team just doesn't perform, and the sad thing is that this OFFENSE is by far the most fundamentally sound unit we've had in our forgettable history. Please don't feel insulted by the fact that fans always seem to point the finger at the HC etc., when the players are the ones who have robbed this team of a post season chance.

Just one question: who picked the players?

BigBull17
11-12-2010, 11:43 AM
Just one question: who picked the players?

Burn.

Showtime100
11-12-2010, 11:54 AM
sigh...does this thread care its about the 100th neg thread on this site and its getting freaking old. fairweather fans and alot of captain hindsighting going on round here.

Fairweather fans stopped watching a long time ago. Urban Dictionary defines the term as "a fan of a sports team who only shows support when the team is doing well. During hard times they usually bandwagon other teams."

If someone is posting about the Texans on this board, even with a 'negative' perspective, they are not a fairweather fan. Matter-of-fact, I do not see any of the fans on these forums to be fairweather, frontrunner, or bandwagon fans. They still support the team, but they are unhappy and dissatisfied with the mediocre results. Just like you can love your country but not like the president, you can love your team but not like the head coach.

As far as Captain Hindsight, that is the nature of fans. Sportswriters make their living as Captain Hindsight, fans express their passion for the sport in the same way. This forum and sports talk radio would not exist without it.

Nice post DB. I was going to politely ask just what his definition of a fairweather fan is. The Texans are no team to follow for a fairweather sports fan. The peeps here show resilience for many things, not the least of which is being here today and expressing their concerns for their team.

thunderkyss
11-12-2010, 12:07 PM
COULD IT BE THE COACHES/FO DON'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THE TEAM THEY PUT TOGETHER IS NOT GOOD? SO THEY BLOW SMOKE OR WORSE YET REALLY BELIEVE THEY DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE.


I remember many people were thinking if we would just get a solid running game, we would be on our way to the play-offs.

Most of those people seem to have disappeared.

There is no doubt in my mind had we won the Chargers game there would be a totally different attitude around here. I don't think we would have had to have done anything majorly different. Arian Foster hold on to the ball in the End Zone. JJ catch the tipped ball in the End Zone.

It wouldn't have totally erase the putrid stench of the first 7 games, but it would have gone a long way towards the outlook of this team, going forward.

DexmanC
11-12-2010, 12:14 PM
I remember many people were thinking if we
would just get a solid running game, we would be on our way to the play-offs.


That statement was made based on the assumption the passing game
would not fall off with the same intensity of the rise of the run game.

(-Passing game) + (Running game) = NO NET GAIN

This staff chose to stick with talent they drafted,forgoe free agency, and expected a gain
only in the fact each player would be in the system a year longer. Problem
is, the system itself does not cause annual improvement. They can
pretend to be The Steelers, but they do NOT have "The System."

We're starting to see teams like the Buccanneers, Browns, and Chiefs
make marked improvement in less than half the time KubiYAK has been
here. That is unnacceptable.

Bob Mcnair cares about winning, but he has not acquired the "right horses"
yet.

Judge Pinot
11-12-2010, 12:33 PM
Just one question: who picked the players?

Who buckles up the chinstrap? We have players that would have been first rounders for other teams, they just haven't worked out as expected.

houstonspartan
11-12-2010, 12:50 PM
That statement was made based on the assumption the passing game
would not fall off with the same intensity of the rise of the run game.

(-Passing game) + (Running game) = NO NET GAIN

This staff chose to stick with talent they drafted,forgoe free agency, and expected a gain
only in the fact each player would be in the system a year longer. Problem
is, the system itself does not cause annual improvement. They can
pretend to be The Steelers, but they do NOT have "The System."

We're starting to see teams like the Buccanneers, Browns, and Chiefs
make marked improvement in less than half the time KubiYAK has been
here. That is unnacceptable.

Bob Mcnair cares about winning, but he has not acquired the "right horses"
yet.

Yep. As I asked a buddy yesterday, why are the Falcon's considered Super Bowl contenders when they hired their coach in 2008?

Since it "takes time" build a team, why aren't we Super Bowl contenders? We have certainly had enough time. Why do the Jacksonville Jags - a team with very little talent - have the same record we do, and we have one of the top recievers in the league, and a breakout running back?

thunderkyss
11-12-2010, 12:55 PM
Just got depressed watching 2 real teams play ball. Falcons vs Ravens. I know all has been posted before but had to let off some steam.

Not to say the Texans can't beat the Ravens( they did look beatable) but based on recent past performance by both players and COACHING I doubt it.

I agree we play the players that we have, no quick fix there. We have what we have for this season.

thanks


We knew the defense was going to be bad. With Cushing gone & starting a rookie corner, some thought we would start the season 1-3. Connor Barwin got Hurt in the first game of the year, & we all saw (with our own eyes) Owen Daniels was not Open Daniels. Duan Brown gets busted, then AJ buggered his ankle.

We get out of that stretch, at 3-1. I didn't care how we won, we won, period.

Over the next 4 games, we see the defense hadn't got any better.... statistically, we actually are better, but not enough that teams don't score 24+ points on us. Our offense is just as spotty as ever, there is only one constant & our coach can't seem to make that the focal point of our offense. We lost our MIKE, & Kareem Jackson fell down.

There are probably 2 legitimate wins we left on the table. With those 2 wins (Colts & Chargers) we could have gone 4-4 over the next 8 to finish with our first 10 win (respectable) season. Now we have to go 6-2 which seems improbable considering our schedule.

We are also on the verge of a 3 game losing streak, going to play a team that swept us just last season.

I like Kareem Jackson. I think he's good enough to start in this league. Sure, he gets picked on & abused..... So does Cromartie, & he starts on a defense we'd love to have.

My point is this. It ain't the players. We've seen them play better than what we are seeing now, with the exception of RCB Kareem Jackson.

Over the next 8 games, we're going to see what kind of coaching staff we have. The previous 8 games should have been enough for them to figure out what they've got to work with, what works, what doesn't.

It's time they put it all together, & get this team where it needs to be.

*

Double Barrel
11-12-2010, 02:13 PM
Who buckles up the chinstrap? We have players that would have been first rounders for other teams, they just haven't worked out as expected.

You answered a question with a question...I'd call that a dodge.

Look, even if you split responsibility 50/50 between coaches and players, you still have to accept that these players - with the sole exception of AJ - represent GARY KUBIAK and his staff. So out of the 50% that is player responsibility, half of that goes back to the coaches that picked them and coached them for their specific system. That would mean that it's 75% the fault of coaches, and that's why "blame [is] being thrown at the coaching staff, front office and ownership".

thunderkyss
11-12-2010, 02:22 PM
That statement was made based on the assumption the passing game
would not fall off with the same intensity of the rise of the run game.

(-Passing game) + (Running game) = NO NET GAIN

I'm sorry, are you trying to explain something I got wrong in my post???

That statement was made....

You could have stopped there.

Kaiser Toro
11-12-2010, 02:26 PM
Sometimes I feel like I am reading the Chronicles of Captain Insano and President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, when I am on this board.

DexmanC
11-12-2010, 02:59 PM
My point is this. It ain't the players. We've seen them play better than what we are seeing now, with the exception of RCB Kareem Jackson.

Over the next 8 games, we're going to see what kind of coaching staff we have. The previous 8 games should have been enough for them to figure out what they've got to work with, what works, what doesn't.

It's time they put it all together, & get this team where it needs to be.

*

I agree with all this here.


....got my popcorn ready.

thunderkyss
11-12-2010, 03:54 PM
I agree with all this here.


....got my popcorn ready.

We're not so different.

Judge Pinot
11-12-2010, 03:56 PM
You can't tell me our defensive coaches are trying to do things scheme wise to help our lack of talent. Only crazy good teams can run an extremely vanilla front like we win and expect victory. Our guys have flash in the pan type seasons their first year and then slowly get worse. That has to mean they lack quality coaching.

So you're telling us that getting beat deep with "supposed" safety help over the top is a coaching error? I would go as far to say that this "vanilla" playcalling is the direct result of being unable to allow our corners to single up. Please explain why you think that running exotic blitzes like the ravens,steelers,or jets will help our cause. Trust me, if K JAX looks terrible now, wait until you see him with straight one on one for the majority of the game. I understand this viewpoint isn't as popular as most of you all think, but this team lacks the talent to consistently bring qb pressure.

Texanmike02
11-12-2010, 04:10 PM
I think some people need to relax. This team is what it is. Its better than the team that lost to the cowgirls and worse than the team that beat Indy. It has an outside shot of making the playoffs but a pretty good shot at building something special if they can add to a secondary and the Dline.


Mike

Showtime100
11-13-2010, 09:37 PM
I think some people need to relax. This team is what it is. Its better than the team that lost to the cowgirls and worse than the team that beat Indy. It has an outside shot of making the playoffs but a pretty good shot at building something special if they can add to a secondary and the Dline.

Mike

Is that all? I need a xanex.

gafftop
12-22-2010, 01:41 PM
I 'll bring up the question again.
I think they do want to win, but the coaches and owner do not know what to do.
I don't expect the owner to know what to do other than to know HE NEEDS TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Part of the problem is both McNair and Kubiak are good people. I am not saying being good is a problem, but it is making the decision harder on McNair.

The answer Mr Mcnair is to bring someone in smarter than you.
Coaching can make a HUGE difference, and I don't think different coordinators will solve the PROBLEM. You still have Kubith in charge and his nature/personality will still be the personality of the team, which we need to change if the Texans are ever to be super bowl champions.

leebigeztx
12-22-2010, 01:46 PM
I 'll bring up the question again.
I think they do want to win, but the coaches and owner do not know what to do.
I don't expect the owner to know what to do other than to know HE NEEDS TO MAKE A CHANGE.

Part of the problem is both McNair and Kubiak are good people. I am not saying being good is a problem, but it is making the decision harder on McNair.

The answer Mr Mcnair is to bring someone in smarter than you.
Coaching can make a HUGE difference, and I don't think different coordinators will solve the PROBLEM. You still have Kubith in charge and his nature/personality will still be the personality of the team, which we need to change if the Texans are ever to be super bowl champions.

They answered your question in the offseason didn't they? Dane and reeves gone for who?

thunderkyss
12-22-2010, 04:08 PM
I think they do want to win, but the coaches and owner do not know what to do.

Kubiak has admitted as much, the last three weeks he's been saying, "I wish I knew."

:kubepalm:

Double Barrel
12-22-2010, 04:22 PM
Kubiak has admitted as much, the last three weeks he's been saying, "I wish I knew."

:kubepalm:

Yeah, he said it last week to Bob Allen. "If I could put my finger on it, I would" were his exact words. I found it strange to hear a head coach say such a thing, because it lacked vision and a deeper understanding of the team he built. Maybe it was just a figure of speech, but those represent issues, as well.

CloakNNNdagger
12-22-2010, 04:43 PM
From a very smart and successfull business man. Has McNair followed these guidelines with the Texans? If not, can you see how it has effected this franchise's history.


8 things I wish I knew before starting a business (http://venturebeat.com/2010/08/19/8-things-i-wish-i-knew-before-starting-a-business/)August 19, 2010 | Don Rainey(Editor’s note: Don Rainey is a general partner at Grotech Ventures. He submitted this column to VentureBeat.)

In the world of startups, success or failure can be hard to consistently predict. One thing that’s sure, however, is that anyone who starts a business is changed by the process. The continual challenges of meeting the opportunities and issues that arise make it fun and always interesting. I think it is why many people continue to start businesses regardless of the (easier) alternatives presented by employment for somebody else.

Having started a few businesses in my life, I view some of the lessons of the experience as intuitive and others much less so. Given the time and money involved in learning these lessons, none could be characterized as cheap.

They all changed my worldview, though. And they all changed me as a person. I’m glad I learned these lessons, but that doesn’t mean I don’t wish that I knew them originally.

Here are the eight things I wish I knew when I started my first business.

1. Things take longer than you ever imagine – Everything that involves people, resources, tasks and coordination takes longer than you ever think it should take to get done. It isn’t about developing patience, as patience doesn’t really help you keep driving things forward. It is about being realistic in your planning and management.

2. Items that do succeed tend to do so quickly – I have seen more successes — products, projects, employees, etc. — start strongly than slowly. The great salesperson or employee is great from the first day. The strong employees contribute immediately. The product that is going to be a hit gets strong, initial reactions from customers.

3. People will let you down – This will happen in ways you can’t even imagine when you start out. It can range from inattentiveness and laziness to fraud and theft. You’ll see it all from the people you meet along the way. Your faith in people or belief in them can be a dangerous thing. As Pres. Reagan put it, “Trust, but verify.” Blind faith will get your butt kicked again and again. Love and reward your employees, but don’t have too much confidence in them.

4. Good employees are really hard to find – A solid worker isn’t just difficult to find, he or she is really difficult to find. And they’re the first ones to leave. The truth is that 10 percent of the world is competent – and you’re looking for that 10 percent in every hire.

It’s hard to do consistently. And that’s why organizations that do it with frequency have such strong reputations. If you want to build a business predicated largely on finding, getting and keeping quality employees to succeed, you should understand that premise will be your greatest risk. Finding a market and profitably selling to it (usually the greatest risks) will take a back seat. Better yet, pursue a business that needs some reasonable percentage of employees to be really good.

5. Your bad employees rarely quit – For one thing, poor performers aren’t really all that motivated to look, as that might involve actual performance. For another, no one else is likely to recruit them. Your marginal and weak employees are with you for life unless you move proactively. In many years of running businesses, the only time this wasn’t true was during the dot-com bubble. At that time, every ***** could get a 15 percent to 20 percent raise here in Northern Virginia by changing jobs. And they did. Aside from that blessed time, weak employees are your most “loyal.”

6. You will be lucky and unlucky -In the fullness of time, you will be assuredly lucky and unlucky. And sometimes, things that appear to be bad luck will turn out to be good — the weak salesperson who turned down your job offer — or vice versa. You will have ups and downs, and you will win or lose things that you don’t deserve to win or lose. You will be unlucky and lucky, you just may never know when.

7. Avoid the myth and misery of sunk cost – See the item above about succeeding quickly. Don’t chain yourself to the anchors you lovingly create in pursuit of success. If it isn’t working for you or the business, let it go. Understand that it isn’t good money after bad money, it is all bad money. Fire that salesperson, let that manager go, stop selling that product, get used to moving on. You’ll make a lot of decisions in running a business. Accept that not all of them will be right.

8. Fill the pipe, always fill the pipe – The difference between good times and bad times is often reflected in how many of the opportunities, customers, etc. end up closing successfully. In good times, more deals close from a normal opportunity pipeline. In bad times, less deals close from the pipeline. So, fill the pipeline of opportunities, and always look to add to the pipeline. Deals don’t close for a million reasons. Your only defense is to fill the pipe.

Showtime100
12-22-2010, 05:36 PM
4. Good employees are really hard to find – A solid worker isn’t just difficult to find, he or she is really difficult to find. And they’re the first ones to leave. The truth is that 10 percent of the world is competent – and you’re looking for that 10 percent in every hire.

For my next job interview I'm wearing a fake tatoo that says "10%'er" :bender:

Second Honeymoon
12-22-2010, 05:47 PM
A mixture of complacency and incompetence
And it all adds up to what we have. Embarrassing to say the least. We got guys with heart like aj and Matt but where is the heart on defense and w/coach

CloakNNNdagger
12-22-2010, 06:05 PM
A mixture of complacency and incompetence
And it all adds up to what we have. Embarrassing to say the least. We got guys with heart like aj and Matt but where is the heart on defense and w/coach

Preparing for a transplant procedure. :)

thunderkyss
12-22-2010, 08:21 PM
A mixture of complacency and incompetence
And it all adds up to what we have. Embarrassing to say the least. We got guys with heart like aj and Matt but where is the heart on defense and w/coach

I don't know about "complacency"

I think it was pretty obvious to Bob, that he didn't know how to run a football team. He talked to people he trusted before hiring Capers & Casserly, & again before he hired Kubiak & Smith.

From affar, I think the business side, the F.O. stuff was night & day between the two regimes. From McNair's P.O.V. I'm sure the first 2 or 3 years, he was saying to himself, "Wow..... so this is the way it's supposed to be."

By year 4, he was probably saying, "I wish I had listened to these guys sooner..... I probably set our teams development back a whole year by insisting we keep my pets, even though they sucked."

IMO, year 4 ended as if we just ran out of season. If I were Bob, I would have played it the way Jerry Jones did, & let Kubiak coach 2010, without a new contract. Though a 4-2 start may have convinced me to give him a new contract at that time, loosing miserably to the Cowboys would have stayed my hand. Especially with the issues the Cowboys were having at the time.

GP
12-22-2010, 10:43 PM
I'd like to know why in the Hell Kubiak was given an extension.

IMO, it was an insurance policy IN CASE the head coach takes this team deep into the playoffs and McNair doesn't want to be on-the-hook for more money (since he wouldn't have had him extended).

I'm not saying that THAT scenario makes McNair a cheapskate. It's the smart play. I guess it tells me that McNair really, really, really felt like this team was near the playoffs.

Does he think that at this very moment? Can he eat the final year of Kubiak's contract and go a different route with a new HC? I don't think he can.

I think Kubiak is here through 2011. Period.

The question in this thread is "Care about winning, or complacent?" That's too narrow of a question--Only two choices there. I think it's a combination of many things, all adding up to the crap storm we're in right now.

steelbtexan
12-22-2010, 11:21 PM
If they fire Kubiak and hire a proven winner then will prove that they care.

Until then the answer is they haven't proven that they will spend top $$$$ to get a proven HC and Assistant coaches.

Maybe this time will be different.

infantrycak
12-22-2010, 11:46 PM
If they fire Kubiak and hire a proven winner then will prove that they care.

Until then the answer is they haven't proven that they will spend top $$$$ to get a proven HC and Assistant coaches.

Maybe this time will be different.

Name the proven winners who have moved on from one SB win to another with a different team?

Crap, hard to pick from a set of zero. At least set the bar at something reasonable.

Or here is another one - how many division leading coaches right now were proven winners when they got this gig? Yup, answer zero.

To be clear - not against a coaching change but set the standard reasonably and this McNair is a cheap bastard who won't pay for a proven head coach stuff is BS.

steelbtexan
12-23-2010, 01:37 AM
Name the proven winners who have moved on from one SB win to another with a different team?

Crap, hard to pick from a set of zero. At least set the bar at something reasonable.

Or here is another one - how many division leading coaches right now were proven winners when they got this gig? Yup, answer zero.

To be clear - not against a coaching change but set the standard reasonably and this McNair is a cheap bastard who won't pay for a proven head coach stuff is BS.

Parcells made the playoffs and one SB. (I would settle for that and he set the table for Belichik) I believe he's available.

Nov Turner took the Redskins to the playoffs and his table was set by when the Chargers hired Schottenheimer. (Who I believe is available.)

Lets look at the division leaders
1. Philly, Ried runs offense, his 1st hire HOF DC Jim Johnson
2.Chi. Smirh def coach hires Marinelli to run defense (After he interviews for the Texans DL coach) to run the offense he hires SB HC Martz and former perennial playoff HC Tice as OL coach. That's 3 former HC's on staff

3. ATL dont know much about their staff but I'm willing to bet there's plenty of exp AC's on it.
4. N.O. Wildcard Payton Offensive coach pays to hire Williams out of his pocket

5. NFC west stinks
6.NYG. Coughlin Offense hires Vet Perry Fewell
or G.B. McCarthy Offensive hires Capers

AFC

1.N.E. Hoodie is best HC in NFL IMHO
2.Jets/wild card- Ryan defense=prodigy Offense Schottenheimer=prodigy
3. Pittsburgh Tomlin has HOF LeBeau defense and vet playoff OC Arrians.
4 Balt, Harbaugh, Offense has Lewis who's basically DC on field
5. Jags. Del Rio, defense hired Koetter to run the OC
6. K.C. Haley Offense hired Crennell to run the defense and Weiss to OC can you say multiple SB rings , This after finishing with a top 5 draft pick.

The Texans hire Frank Bush to run their defense.

Apparently success and experience matters when it comes to hiring a assistan coaching staff. Instead of nepotism and cronyism.

That's why I want a proven guy to run this organization. They can get the great asst coaches.

infantrycak
12-23-2010, 09:06 AM
Parcells made the playoffs and one SB. (I would settle for that and he set the table for Belichik) I believe he's available.

Nov Turner took the Redskins to the playoffs and his table was set by when the Chargers hired Schottenheimer. (Who I believe is available.) ...

So two unrealistic retired guys and then avoid the topic of proven HC candidates by going off on assistant coaches. Again, 7 of 8 division leaders have 1st time HC's and the 8th has a guy hired as a failure from his 1st HC gig. Going the route of those successful teams would not show a lack of caring.

Double Barrel
12-23-2010, 10:07 AM
Name the proven winners who have moved on from one SB win to another with a different team?

Crap, hard to pick from a set of zero. At least set the bar at something reasonable.

Just because it has not happened does not mean that it cannot happen.

I think Super Bowl talk is a bit premature for a losing franchise that has yet to make even one appearance the post-season.

There are many Super Bowl coaches, both winners and losers of the big game, that have gone to other teams and at least got them to the playoffs.

At this point, our focus should be playoffs. And I honestly believe that there is a nice pool of proven head coaches that could get this franchise over that hump.

Like you said, 'cak, at least set the bar at something reasonable. :winky:

p.s. I don't think McNair is cheap, but rather he's just not football smart, yet. Hopefully the past 9 years have been a school of hard knocks for him, or Houston, we've got a problem.

infantrycak
12-23-2010, 11:07 AM
Just because it has not happened does not mean that it cannot happen.

Sure and I am not implying it won't. I think the "proven winners" should be in the pool of candidates if Kubiak gets replaced, but I believe the pool should also include guys like Harbaugh who would be a 1st time NFL HC.

texanchris
12-23-2010, 12:08 PM
why do people keep bringing up old threads?

Double Barrel
12-23-2010, 12:22 PM
Sure and I am not implying it won't. I think the "proven winners" should be in the pool of candidates if Kubiak gets replaced, but I believe the pool should also include guys like Harbaugh who would be a 1st time NFL HC.

We're both on the same page. I agree completely.

I'm at the A.B.K. point - Anyone But Kubiak - and while change for the sake of change seems to be the mantra appointed to those of us that have lost faith in Kubiak after five fruitless seasons, I go back to two quotations that inspire me in this regard:

"Without deviation progress is not possible."
~ Frank Zappa

and the oft quoted Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

ArlingtonTexan
12-23-2010, 01:12 PM
why do people keep bringing up old threads?

Honestly, it is favorable to people just starting new threads which cover the same topics.

CloakNNNdagger
12-23-2010, 01:17 PM
We're both on the same page. I agree completely.

I'm at the A.B.K. point - Anyone But Kubiak - and while change for the sake of change seems to be the mantra appointed to those of us that have lost faith in Kubiak after five fruitless seasons, I go back to two quotations that inspire me in this regard:

"Without deviation progress is not possible."
~ Frank Zappa

and the oft quoted Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

"The art of progress is to preserve order amid change and to preserve change amid order."
- Alfred North Whitehead

.......and the quote I remember when reading Darwin:

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."

.............and change we need.

CloakNNNdagger
12-23-2010, 01:27 PM
why do people keep bringing up old threads?

Honestly, it is favorable to people just starting new threads which cover the same topics.

It affords all of us the opportunity to review our history..............to really appreciate the recurrent themes that have plagued this franchise. Some learn from history, others ignore it and go on their merry way doomed to encourage repeating it.

CloakNNNdagger
12-23-2010, 07:18 PM
McNair seems to always fall just short in his timing when it comes to this franchise.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1011/opportunity-opportunity-timmy-your-mom-demotivational-poster-1289656557.jpg (http://www.motifake.com/opportunity-timmy-your-mom-demotivational-posters-121444.html)

Second Honeymoon
12-24-2010, 11:03 AM
Db said it best
ABK anyone but kubiak
He has failed by any sane measurement

Losing head coaches get fired after 5 years unless you are Bob McCarebear.

When is enough enough? Geez

thunderkyss
12-24-2010, 01:56 PM
We're both on the same page. I agree completely.

I'm at the A.B.K. point - Anyone But Kubiak - and while change for the sake of change seems to be the mantra appointed to those of us that have lost faith in Kubiak after five fruitless seasons, I go back to two quotations that inspire me in this regard:

"Without deviation progress is not possible."
~ Frank Zappa

and the oft quoted Einstein: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Again, not in defense of Kubiak, but to imply there has been no deviation in Kubiak's tenure is not entirely accurate. In fact, this year our DC was only in his second year here in that role, and many here believed his first year was a successful one. Or at least that he had done a good job with the defense.

Our offensive coordinator was in his first year, & this is the first year we've had a dedicated QB coach.

Perhaps our problem was that we did deviate from our most successful year to date, 2009.

Lucky
12-24-2010, 03:34 PM
Perhaps our problem was that we did deviate from our most successful year to date, 2009.
There will always be some changes from year to year, on any team. The NFL is not static. To use that as an excuse is absurd. Plus, it's a catch-22. You're damned if you make changes, damned if you don't.

Here is the problem. :kubepalm:

gary
12-24-2010, 04:31 PM
I want Mike Tomlin for Christmas.

JB
12-24-2010, 04:36 PM
I want Mike Tomlinson for Christmas.

Who?

gary
12-24-2010, 05:18 PM
Who?
Steelers coach, I am sure I did not spell his name right.